Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Autumn ♫]

I think it's worth noting as well that one of the three games with Vaati in, The Minish Cap - that is, the only one that goes halfway towards giving him any kind of personality - wasn't even worked on by an internal Nintendo team, but by a team within Capcom. Similarly, the original Four Swords was a joint effort between Nintendo and Flagship/Capcom. Now, that doesn't make these any less 'Zelda' than all the other Zelda titles out there, but considering that two of Vaati's titles weren't even made by the main Zelda team, and the one that was ends up with Vaati being Ganondorf's little beeyatch... I think it's safe to say that Nintendo don't actually give much of a damn about Vaati.

Basically, it's not the number of games you appeared in that's the crucial factor. Vaati appeared in one side game (the original Four Swords was not it's own game and not the main event, however you look at it), one game not worked on by the main Zelda team and one game where he plays second fiddle to Ganon. He's not exactly the pinnacle of importance.

If Nintendo didn't feel like it was important they would have kept it out of the timeline and out of Hyrule Historia.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Oh shut the hell up. Impa doesn't even make bloody sense for Zelda to transform into (Unless there's something in Skyward **** I missed)

Hit a nerve there? Damn bro chill out.

Impa shouldn't become a Zelda 'transformation'. She COULD be coupled with her however, but not in a way similar to Sheik. What I'd rather want is a solo Impa, and a solo Zelda.

Cause Sheik will never become her own character in a game that isn't Project M (and even there they aren't separated, Down B is still transform). So Impa is a very good way to finally have Zelda fight her own battles, contribute to game balance, and keep a little bit of Sheik's playstyle in the game by building up Impa from her characteristics (not the same moves, but same characteristics as in, a fast combo-based character with good aerials and the like).

 

[CalumG]

If Nintendo didn't feel like it was important they would have kept it out of the timeline and out of Hyrule Historia.

There's a difference between not seeing it as important and not seeing it as canon. I never said Vaati's appearances were the equivalent of the CD-i games.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

And if you need proof of that, Red is getting his own anime special. Poket Mosters Red and Green: THE ORIGIN

THE ORIGIN

Anyways, what are we on about now? Oh right Zelda. It really doesn't need anything else.

 

[Deleted member]

Vaati is less recurring than Tingle and even Impa.

Pretty sure either of those two would be more likely than him.
Especially Tingle, since he's the only Zelda character to have his own games.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Hit a nerve there? Damn bro chill out.

I'm always trolling. Don't worry; I don't hate you. (Read that in GLaDOS's voice)

Impa shouldn't become a Zelda 'transformation'. She COULD be coupled with her however, but not in a way similar to Sheik. What I'd rather want is a solo Impa, and a solo Zelda.

Well there's no need to remove Sheik. Keep Sheik with Zelda, add Impa or something else. Zing.

 

[Deleted member]

Only new character Zelda needs.

 

[FlareHabanero]

If you love Tingle so much, why don't you marry him?

 

[Deleted member]

If you love Tingle so much, why don't you marry him?

What, and cheat on you?

 

[Diddy Kong]

This thread...

 

[Thirdkoopa]

What, and cheat on you?

Yeah. Golden x Habanero is canon.

 

[FlareHabanero]

What, and cheat on you?

You never answer my calls, you never help me in my most dire situations, you've always brought stress to this relationship, hell you don't even make sandwiches! I feel as though our relationship is on thin ice, and we're going to sink any second now. I-I have to get out of this and find someone else before things get out of hand.

 

[Autumn ♫]

There's a difference between not seeing it as important and not seeing it as canon. I never said Vaati's appearances were the equivalent of the CD-i games.

They seem to find it just about as important as any other Zelda game. Heck, it might just be me, but since Capcom helped with 2 of Vaati's games and Megaman being n SSB4, it feels like that raises Vaati's chances slightly.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Just saying, Habanero, your avatar is awesome. Donnel is one of my favorite characters in Awakening. Limit Breaker DLC + Armsthrift + High Luck stat + Helswath (or any really strong sword or axe) was always fun to use.

If only I had the DLC

 

[Thirdkoopa]

You never answer my calls, you never help me in my most dire situations, you've always brought stress to this relationship, hell you don't even make sandwiches! I feel as though our relationship is on thin ice, and we're going to sink any second now. I-I have to get out of this and find someone else before things get out of hand.

Wait

Golden can't even make sandbitches?

 

[CalumG]

They seem to find it just about as important as any other Zelda game. Heck, it might just be me, but since Capcom helped with 2 of Vaati's games and Megaman being n SSB4, it feels like that raises Vaati's chances slightly.

It's not an issue of copyright - Capcom being involved would neither hurt nor hinder Vaati's chances - it's an issue of Nintendo not giving a crap. Once the Four Sword saga was over, Vaati got dropped by Nintendo like a cinder block into a river.

 

[FalKoopa]

This thread...

HAS GONE OFF TOPIC!

Bring it back on track.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

It's not an issue of copyright - Capcom being involved would neither hurt nor hinder Vaati's chances - it's an issue of Nintendo not giving a crap. Once the Four Sword saga was over, Vaati got dropped by Nintendo like a cinder block into a river.

To be fair, one could argue the same about Skull Kid when he was dropped after Majora's Mask. That doesn't stop the possibility of his return years later, which indeed happened in Twilight Princess.

Vaati isn't dropped so much as dormant right now. Make him involved in the next Wind Waker-styled Zelda. Boom. Everyone thinks Nintendo likes him again.

 

[Autumn ♫]

It's not an issue of copyright - Capcom being involved would neither hurt nor hinder Vaati's chances - it's an issue of Nintendo not giving a crap. Once the Four Sword saga was over, Vaati got dropped by Nintendo like a cinder block into a river.

But he's also one of the most likely characters to return too outside of the big 4, being Link,Zelda,Ganondorf, and Impa. He's to the 4 Sword as Ganondorf is to the Master Sword. If Nintendo ever wants another multiplayer Zelda, Vaati will probably be in it.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

That's a huge if, and even if Vaati comes back and is relevant, that by no means makes him a shoe-in or even close (sadly)

 

[FalKoopa]

That's a huge if, and even if Vaati comes back and is relevant, that by no means makes him a shoe-in or even close (sadly)

There is always Smash 5/6.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

That's a huge if, and even if Vaati comes back and is relevant, that by no means makes him a shoe-in or even close (sadly)

I'm not saying he's at all likely. I'm just saying that the argument of "Nintendo doesn't care about him" is crap when you can literally say that about any character that doesn't have a recent appearance.

King K. Rool hasn't been in a recent Donkey Kong game guys. I guess Nintendo doesn't care about him.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Are we basically on the same topics as the last time I was on?

But as far as what characters seem to stand the best chances for certain franchises, I guess I will throw my thoughts in the matter.

For Mario, it is obviously between Bowser Jr and Toad. As for Zelda I feel it is a three way fight between Ghirahim, Impa, and Tetra/Zelda. For Donkey Kong it will be K. Rool vs Dixie Kong. The only Star Fox one that makes sense at this point is Krystal. No other F-Zero character should be in.....yet again (although top choices are Samurai Goroh, Pico, Dr. Stewart, and Black Shadow). Yoshi and Wario are basically going to be by themselves again. However if they did get another rep Kamek would be the only choice for for the Yoshi series while the WarioWare/WarioLand rep is basically between Ashley, Captain Syrup, and Mona. When it comes to Pokemon that is a hard one to decide on. Top choices for the franchise would be a new trainer, Zoroark, Mega-Mewtwo, and Genesect.

The Metroid franchise would basically have Ridley, Melissa, Anthony Higgs, or Adam Malkovich to go along with the fact Samus is Other M based. The next Kid Icarus rep is a major battle between Magnus, Palutena, and Medusa. Hades and Phosphora could be there too but they may make more sense as a boss and AT respectively. Kirby doesn't really need another rep but if there was one it is between Prince Fluff and Bandanna Dee. Mother/Earthbound doesn't need one either but if there was one it would most likely be from Earthbound/Mother 2 since they put that on the VC. Out of that team it can be any of them (Paula, Poo, and Jeff). They might want to go for a Mother 3 rep though and I feel the only one from there for the job would be Kumatora.

Fire Emblem is one big hassle when it comes to reps, there are a lot of possible good ones. And we may see more than just one new one. This possible list is a battle between Robin, Chrom, Lucina, Micaiah, Roy, Sothe, and Lyn. A few of them could be teams too (like Robin/Chrom, Lucina/Chrom, and Micaiah/Sothe). The Retro section would have a few possible reps in Takamaru, Sheriff, Prince Sable, Mach Rider, and Balloon Fighter. When it comes to 3rd parties other good choices fighting for that spot/those spots would be Bomberman, Travis Touchdown, Simon/Trevor Belmont, Lloyd Irving or Cress Albane, Bayonetta, Rayman, Pac-Man, and Sora (to name a few).

As for other misc franchises yet to be repped, six easily come to mind. Those six being Sin & Punishment, Golden Sun, Punchout, Custom Robo, Xenoblade, and Advance Wars.

As for who would rep each franchise, I say:

Sin & Punishment - A battle between Isa Jo, Saki, and Kachi (I still think Isa is the best choice though)
Golden Sun - Battle between "Adult" Isaac and Matthew
Punchout - Obviously Little Mac
Custom Robo - The latest Ray, Ray MkIII
Xenoblade - Shulk obviously, but if there was a second rep (for some reason) I say it is a battle between Dunban, Alvis, Reyn, Melia, and Mechon Fiora
Advance Wars - Between Andy and Will

Other franchises like Dillon's Rolling Western might be possible, but I am not sure.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yeah. Golden x Habanero is canon.

It's like Entei on Superspicy Curry.

About Vaati, he'd first have to establish himself in an actual major console release I'd say, made by the main Zelda team. Hence I think Impa is far more likely than most other Zelda newcomers. You'd think Toon Zelda is more likely perhaps, but she's HUGELY dependant on Toon Link. And I'm still not too confident on his inclusion cause well...

Even though I'd like Toon Link to come back honestly.

I still say Isaac is the most likely Golden Sun rep, and not Matthew. Why? They choose Olimar again. I think they'd go with the most iconic star, from the most succesful game. Which is likely Golden Sun 1 or The Lost Age.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I'm not saying he's at all likely. I'm just saying that the argument of "Nintendo doesn't care about him" is crap when you can literally say that about any character that doesn't have a recent appearance.

King K. Rool hasn't been in a recent Donkey Kong game guys. I guess Nintendo doesn't care about him.

I can see your comparison, but for a gen and a half, they basically stopped doing DKC games, and I think Retro had a reason for taking K. Rool anyways.

 

[FalKoopa]

There is too much fighting in DSN's roster.

Anyways, welcome back!

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Yeah I vaguely remember you DSN. Welcome.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

There is too much fighting in DSN's roster.

Anyways, welcome back!

Well, not exactly fighting but more of a friendly family Brawl to see who goes to the party.

Also thanks.

Yeah I vaguely remember you DSN. Welcome.

Yeah, pretty much. I tend to starts wars, not intentionally though.

Within the last few months though I have gotten better and have gotten along with most people here.

 

[Deleted member]

You basically replaced all characters I felt should stay, as Ike, Falco, Lucario and Kanto Pokémon Trainer. Also, coupled Diddy and Dixie togheter, kept Sheik and Toon Zelda / Tetra (prefer Tetra as a standalone). Otherwise, props for having K.Rool and Isaac I guess. But most other choices I personally disagree with. Except for Ridley, Little Mac, Palutena, Paper Mario and Takamaru.

As I said, I did some painful cut for making a more "reasonable" roster. That includes Falco. I don't think the Star Fox series deserve 4 characters, Krystal is still very requested, Wolf plays the role of Fox's rival, and Falco is more "Fox-cloned" than Wolf. So yeah...

 

[Deleted member]

Guys, I need some opinions about something for my personal roster's modification...

Diddy Tag Teamed with Dixie : Yup or Nope ?

Yes, but I doubt it's happening.

The AI issues and all.

 

[CalumG]

As I said, I did some painful cut for making a more "reasonable" roster. That includes Falco. I don't think the Star Fox series deserve 4 characters, Krystal is still very requested, Wolf plays the role of Fox's rival, and Falco is more "Fox-cloned" than Wolf. So yeah...

Why Pokemon Trainer then?

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Yes, but I doubt it's happening.

The AI issues and all.

it's not THAT bad to program

but I think it would have happened in Melee. That's when they made risks

Why Pokemon Trainer then?

He's/she's the protagonist.

Yeah, Pikachu got in first, but that's the N64. The only series right now I could legitimately see us not getting the "Main" character is Eternal Darkness with Pious.

 

[CalumG]

He's/she's the protagonist.

Yeah, Pikachu got in first, but that's the N64. The only series right now I could legitimately see us not getting the "Main" character is Eternal Darkness with Pious.

You misunderstood, I was asking why he replaced Pokemon Trainer with a newer, less-prominent one. xD

 

[Deleted member]

Why Pokemon Trainer then?

Because it would have too much representation of the 1st generation of Pokémon.
And as a Hoenn remake is pretty likely to come out on 3DS, he/she would make a good hint for it.

 

[Deleted member]

it's not THAT bad to program

but I think it would have happened in Melee. That's when they made risks



He's/she's the protagonist.

Yeah, Pikachu got in first, but that's the N64. The only series right now I could legitimately see us not getting the "Main" character is Eternal Darkness with Pious.

Yeah, but there's a problem with getting the AI on duo characters to work properly on the 3DS version. Some believe the IC won't return cause of that (myself included).

Because it would have too much representation of the 1st generation of Pokémon.
And as a Hoenn remake is pretty likely to come out on 3DS, he/she would make a good hint for it.

>Hoenn confirmed

Not this **** again...

Look, I loved gen 3 as much as every other person out there, but people need to stop with that. Also, Smash doesn't care about 'balanced representation' of franchises, it just picks characters that would make neat popular fighters and tosses them in.

 

[FlareHabanero]

We already have a Diddy and Dixie duo, it's called Ice Climbers. They even come completely packaged with game breaking chain grabs that make the majority of the roster irrelevant.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I think The Diddy Dixie Duo should be like Zelda/Sheik.

 

[CalumG]

Because it would have too much representation of the 1st generation of Pokémon.
And as a Hoenn remake is pretty likely to come out on 3DS, he/she would make a good hint for it.

So... your argument for replacing Pokemon Trainer is basically 'muh recency'? Okay, say no more. I don't think I'm even going to debate this one, it's not worth my time.

I would however suggest Jigglypuff's removal over Red's. People may not like it since Jigglypuff is a three-time vet, but Pokemon Trainer is quite simply more important than Jiggles, as much as people may hate to admit it.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Guys, I need some opinions about something for my personal roster's modification...

Diddy Tag Teamed with Dixie : Yup or Nope ?

No, I'd rather not. Diddy is already degrading a lot in his roles in Donkey Kong, and I'd rather have them both as standalones. Dixie has more than enough moveset potential for herself, and would make a real interessting character. Also, Diddy and Dixie cannot be paired up in DKC: Tropical Freeze as we've seen (which is a damn, blasted shame) so I wouldn't really count on it.

Sakurai also stated he had difficulties with the Ice Climbers and similar characters when ported to the 3DS, so I doubt he'd include many other 'difficult to program' characters. Diddy and Dixie would be quite different from Zelda / Sheik, Pokémon Trainer or Ice Climbers also. So that probably brings more difficulties than say, adding Toon Zelda / Tetra.

So no, I'd rather have them both separated. DKC has been long overdue for propper character representation, and I don't want two of it's best characters coupled togheter just because they can.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I can see your comparison, but for a gen and a half, they basically stopped doing DKC games, and I think Retro had a reason for taking K. Rool anyways.

Just like how for a gen and a half, they've stopped making multiplayer Zeldas. I'm not saying Zelda HD is going to have Vaati, but they've gone out and said that Zelda HD will have some form of multiplayer play. The fact is that Vaati has many parallels with King K. Rool, the only difference being that K. Rool came first in his own series while Vaati has to share screen-time with a much larger pool of characters.