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TheCreator said:
Thank you for the cookie brother.
But yeah i totally see what you're saying, she's complete semiclone material. But just look at it like this:
They are the pretty much exact same character. Like you can take Diddy Kong and photoshop him and he'll look exactly like her. The only thing that COULD differentiate her moveset is her hair. And two characters that similar have never been playable in smash in two different character slots. Same shape, size, stature, tail. They'd be like how mario and luigi were in smash 64, except the same size. I just don't see that as something he'd do. But adding her as a Diddy tag team, I totally see. Having those small differences would be fine then because she doesn't take up a whole character slot.

K. Rool doesn't have any of these problems, and besides his lack of appearance lately he's still the main antagonist of the majority of the series. Which imo, (doesn't matter) bodes better than being the sidekick's sidekick.
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What part of this are you not understanding? Why do you keep saying "it doesn't seem like Sakurai would do" when it's exactly something Sakurai would do. You can photo shop Ness to have stylish hair and be Lucas. You can Photoshop Mario to be Luigi or Dr. Mario.

How can it not be something Sakurai would do when he's done it several times and planned to have Dr. Mario & Dixie Kong in Brawl?

And why do you keep saying her only difference is the Ponytail? She can shoot bubbles or even borrow Tiny's Feather Bow. She's more diverse than Falco. Hell, you could even make up moves like he did for Luigi (which I don't assume is necessary.

I don't know why you keep acting like this is a problem or something Sakurai would feel is a problem. Her size doesn't really mean anything.

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. These have never been issues and it is something Sakurai would do, not to once again mention he would have done if not for time constraints.
 
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kingmario92 said:
REALLY...... THAT'S MY PICK TOO!!!! :awesome:
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I mean he's really a clone of Ganondorf when you think about it, and Ganondorf will start using "GANON, PUNCH!", so we might as well just accept Captain Falcon as a Zelda character.

Maybe if you guys are lucky you'll get an alternative color palette that makes him look like Groose, just like Masked Man and Pichu fans got!

Also am I the only person who wouldn't mind to see Pichu return, all things considered?
 
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SaturnGamer64 said:
This also makes for a new subject, should we expect Toon Zelda this time around or just assume Sakurai was taking it too far last time? Should Toon Zelda be our 5th Zelda rep just because Mario & Pokemon have one? Will Sakurai add Toon Zelda just for the sake of having an equal amount to Mario & Pokemon?
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Toon Link was presumably added because it was important to represent the ever-growing toon part of Zelda, which makes up a pretty big part of it's installments. However, I wouldn't say it's out of the realm of reality to say that Toon Zelda/Sheik, as evidenced by the games code, was probably just going to be included as an 'easy addition' more than a worthwhile one. Of course, that may well mean she'll actually show up this time - Sakurai's pretty modest about the roster but he always does what he can to essentially bulk up the numbers - but I don't think her presence in the games code really means anything one way or another.

Basically to sum it up, unless Sakurai goes on a last-minute clone-adding spree to make the roster look bigger than it is (*Ahem* I'm looking at you, Melee), I don't think Toon Zelda is happening... but I wouldn't put it past the guy.

thethirdkoopa said:
honestly diddy isn't THAT interesting of a character with his moveset anyways; I know I'm gonna get ragged on for it, but if you mix a mechanic like the original DKC's with advantages for having one of them lead, it'd be interesting.
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Honestly, I liked Diddy Kong just the way he was in Brawl. I didn't think he was 'vanilla' or anything like that - if anything he was a breath of fresh air among the newcomers. I'm not saying it applied to everyone but Zero Suit Samus, Pokemon Trainer, Lucario and Olimar all had gimmicks about them (though not bad ones by any means), the third-parties were just, well, third-parties, and folks like Ike and Pit all had various extreme features when it came to their stats (Ike being a powerhouse for his size and Pit absolutely abusing his power of flight). These were all great newcomers, but I liked getting more 'standard' newcomers like Diddy, Wario, Lucas and Dedede.

Sometimes you don't need a gimmick or a core defining mechanic to make a character interesting.
 
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SaturnGamer64 said:
I actually really want Pichu DLC. But, you know who I want in Smash 4 the most?:
RAICHU
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That said Raichu/Pichu as DLC would be awesome. Honestly of Pra_Mai was Plusle and Minun, I would be really happy with that, especially if Diddy Kong/Dixie Kong didn't make it as a team.

Pichu was my "lolmain" for ****s and giggles and to make friends freak out of me in Melee. :3
 
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CalumG said:
Toon Link was presumably added because it was important to represent the ever-growing toon part of Zelda, which makes up a pretty big part of it's installments. However, I wouldn't say it's out of the realm of reality to say that Toon Zelda/Sheik, as evidenced by the games code, was probably just going to be included as an 'easy addition' more than a worthwhile one. Of course, that may well mean she'll actually show up this time - Sakurai's pretty modest about the roster but he always does what he can to essentially bulk up the numbers - but I don't think her presence in the games code really means anything one way or another.

Basically to sum it up, unless Sakurai goes on a last-minute clone-adding spree to make the roster look bigger than it is (*Ahem* I'm looking at you, Melee), I don't think Toon Zelda is happening... but I wouldn't put it past the guy.



Honestly, I liked Diddy Kong just the way he was in Brawl. I didn't think he was 'vanilla' or anything like that - if anything he was a breath of fresh air among the newcomers. I'm not saying it applied to everyone but Zero Suit Samus, Pokemon Trainer, Lucario and Olimar all had gimmicks about them (though not bad ones by any means), the third-parties were just, well, third-parties, and folks like Ike and Pit all had various extreme features when it came to their stats (Ike being a powerhouse for his size and Pit absolutely abusing his power of flight). These were all great newcomers, but I liked getting more 'standard' newcomers like Diddy, Wario, Lucas and Dedede.

Sometimes you don't need a gimmick or a core defining mechanic to make a character interesting.
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Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if she was a last minute clone. It's such an excessive and unneeded addition.
 
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Best Roster EVER.

Zero Suit Ridley
Ganon riding Wolf Link riding Zelda riding Midna riding Navi
SS Zelda, 3rd Koopa, and Daroach "doing it" with Wolf recording
The Campfire song from SpongeBob
Tingle breakdancing to the Harlem Shrake
Vegeta's Diary
Tharja stalking Mario
Carl and his Charmander

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thethirdkoopa said:


That said Raichu/Pichu as DLC would be awesome. Honestly of Pra_Mai was Plusle and Minun, I would be really happy with that, especially if Diddy Kong/Dixie Kong didn't make it as a team.

Pichu was my "lolmain" for ****s and giggles and to make friends freak out of me in Melee. :3
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Raichu is 100x more bad*** than overrated Pikachu (Yeah I went there)


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I think you didn't notice the quotation marks on "More special". It anesthetizes how I really don't care much for Pikachu
 
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KingShadow said:
Best Roster EVER.

Zero Suit Ridley
Ganon riding Wolf Link riding Zelda riding Midna riding Navi
SS Zelda, 3rd Koopa, and Daroach "doing it" with Wolf recording
The Campfire song from SpongeBob
Tingle breakdancing to the Harlem Shrake
Vegeta's Diary
Tharja stalking Mario
Carl and his Charmander

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oh my god yes

all of these are going to be added to the third lulz roster

Did you see the other two? You'd like those
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Raichu is 100x more bad*** than overrated Pikachu (Yeah I went there)
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it's cause he's black isn't it
 
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did I see Pichu discussion? I guess I'll throw in my two cents from a few weeks back:

I've seen MegaEvolutions mentioned a lot in this thread, so I'll give my input on Pokemon evolutions.

Sakurai likes his transformations, right? I mean, he put in Zelda/Sheik in Melee, and added Zero Suit and Pokemon Trainer in Brawl. However you put it, it's clear he likes transforming characters - but he also wouldn't add another one unless it had a unique mechanic to it. So what if they created a Pokemon that could 'evolve' so to speak, as a permanent transformation?

For the sake of example, a while back I was thinking about how they could re-add Pichu without pissing off too many fans. Now obviously, I'm not advocating Pichu's return, but hear me out. The idea was that from the menu, you could select Pichu or Pikachu from a single slot, like with Samus/Zero Suit. Pichu would have very high potential to dish out damage but have almost no KO potential, whereas Pikachu would be the inverse, and deal poor damage but with lots of potential KO's. Pichu would have a Special move or Taunt that allows him to 'evolve' into Pikachu. However, 'evolution' would be absolutely permanent. Unlike every other transformation in the game, once Pichu transforms into Pikachu, he transforms for good until the end of the match. Since the Pokemon have vastly different strengths and weaknesses, you'd have to choose a strategic point in the battle to transform, since once you do there's no going back.

Of course, I'm not suggesting Pichu return whatsoever - but the idea of a 'permanent' transformation would be an interesting one, especially since even Zero Suit isn't necessarily permanent. Apply Pichu and Pikachu to Mewtwo and MegaMewtwo or any other situation, but either way I think it'd be an interesting idea to explore.
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thethirdkoopa said:
I'd bang her. Add Daroach to it and it'd be pretty sexy. And Wolf filming it, cause he's so black.

Also honestly, while Mario can have one, screw getting a new Zelda rep. Who would we add that isn't one shot? I guess Zelda/Tetra I don't mind that much if they make her interesting but when you look at it... that's it. And that could be invalid anyways with ALBW Zelda.
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Tingle dude, shoot. 3 of his own games and a DSi Ware thingamabob.

SaturnGamer64 said:
What part of this are you not understanding? Why do you keep saying "it doesn't seem like Sakurai would do" when it's exactly something Sakurai would do. You can photo shop Ness to have stylish hair and be Lucas. You can Photoshop Mario to be Luigi or Dr. Mario.

You don't know what you're talking about now, respectivly. I said it doesn't seem like something I think he'd do, and you said, yes it is. You really have no idea.
And yes I know those things, But if you photoshop Ness into lucas, you can tell it's a photoshop because they have a bit of a difference in their features. Same goes especially for Dr. Mario and Luigi and whatver. But you can photoshop Diddy to dixie quite well, and because there's no difference in any of the facial expressions they make, they're faces at all, or anything else, you wouldn't even be able to tell. You're case does apply and bode well for Dr. Mario though. I'm not saying you're wrong, not at all, I'm just trying to explain to you why I feel like I do.

How can it not be something Sakurai would do when he's done it several times and planned to have Dr. Mario & Dixie Kong in Brawl?

He could have had Dixie and Diddy planned to be together for all we know.

And why do you keep saying her only difference is the Ponytail? She can shoot bubbles or even borrow Tiny's Feather Bow. She's more diverse than Falco. Hell, you could even make up moves like he did for Luigi (which I don't assume is necessary.

She can borrow something from another character to be unique. My point exactly.
And unlike falco to fox, they are two completely different characters with completely differnt personalities. As far as we know, Diddy and Dixie are the exact same?
Whereas falco is a bird. And fox is a fox.

I don't know why you keep acting like this is a problem or something Sakurai would feel is a problem. Her size doesn't really mean anything.

I don't think it would be if they wanted her in. I think it speaks against them wanting her in as a seperate character though, unless they get desperate. Or decide to gimmick up Diddy.

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. These have never been issues and it is something Sakurai would do, not to once again mention he would have done if not for time constraints.

Again, we don't know how he would have done it. And again, If Sakurai decides 'Donkey Kong needs another rep' I doubt he'll look for a new character in Dixie Kong. Hence the word 'new'. If he wants to truly represent the Donkey Kong series with a new character, I feel he'll choose K. Rool. If he wants to add another character because he wants us to have more characters in general, like he did for say Dr. Mario and Ganondorf, then Dixie fits the bill perfecto.
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SaturnGamer64 said:
Unlike everyone else in the entirety of the Smash Bros Fanbase. I wouldn't be surprised if Ridley didn't make it and we got a Bounty Hunter :urg:

This also makes for a new subject, should we expect Toon Zelda this time around or just assume Sakurai was taking it too far last time? Should Toon Zelda be our 5th Zelda rep just because Mario & Pokemon have one? Will Sakurai add Toon Zelda just for the sake of having an equal amount to Mario & Pokemon?
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I'm fine with Vaati taking Toon Zelda's spot instead. While Mario/Zelda/Pokemon are the three most popular series of Nintendo, I wouldn't be surprised if we get all 5 or a 5/4/5
 
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SaturnGamer64 said:
Unlike everyone else in the entirety of the Smash Bros Fanbase. I wouldn't be surprised if Ridley didn't make it and we got a Bounty Hunter :urg:

This also makes for a new subject, should we expect Toon Zelda this time around or just assume Sakurai was taking it too far last time? Should Toon Zelda be our 5th Zelda rep just because Mario & Pokemon have one? Will Sakurai add Toon Zelda just for the sake of having an equal amount to Mario & Pokemon?
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Don't get me wrong. Ridley would be an awesome addition to the playable roster.. but he's just so damn big. His size alone makes me think it just won't happen, but Metroid certainly deserves a second rep, thus why I choose Sylux. As for Toon Zelda/Tetra, I think the Legend of Zelda franchise will receive another rep and it seems that the toon version of the game is becoming more prominent to the overall series. I would rather do away with the toon versions of Legend of Zelda characters altogether and have Skull Kid in the mix. I also really wanted to add King K. Rool to my roster, but I doubt Donkey Kong Country will be receiving four representatives.
 
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Vaati appeared in 3 actually. The Four Swords Trilogy. Minish Cap, Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures.

Oh goody another toobigger, this is going to be fun. :bee:
 
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thethirdkoopa said:
Aren't Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures basically the same thing /I've played both

If he actually made at least one appearance in-between then to now, it'd be something.
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Apparently not, especially since both Four Swords and Adventures are a part of the timeline, one takes place after Minish Cap while the other takes place after Twilight Princess.
 
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well that's interesting despite the fact of me not noticing much but maybe I didn't care

I guess that's still something, but iunno. Vaati just doesn't really do it for me. I was a supporter of him back in the Brawl days and it's a maybe, but eh

and glitterem is kinda like this time around's midna, except we know glitter boy is one shot
 
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Zero Suit Ridley
Ganon riding Wolf Link riding Zelda riding Midna riding Navi
SS Zelda, 3rd Koopa, and Daroach "doing it" with Wolf recording
The Campfire song from SpongeBob
Tingle breakdancing to the Harlem Shrake
Vegeta's Diary
Tharja stalking Mario
Carl and his Charmander
King K. Rool doing the Mario
Super Saiyan Peach
Lucina and Luigi porn
Kraid's reaction to the Lucina and Luigi porn
8-Bit Tharja stalking 8-Bit Mario
That "god-awful" Super Man movie (cookie to whoever gets the reference)
Ganondorf flirting with Krystal
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