Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheLastJinjo]

Well, I have a new roster...

Total Characters: 50
Returning Veterans: All 35
Newcomers: 15 (Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Toon Zelda/Tetra, Ridley, Mewtwo, Chrom, Palutena, Takamaru, Little Mac, Isaac, Shulk, MegaMan, Mii)

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I like it

Haven't had a roster posted here since like... May or something like that so uh here's mine.

I think it's too small and that you have characters that are less priority then the ones you don't have. I don't think 4 DK reps is necessary an that you should pick one, I'd insist having 5 Pokemon and maybe Paper Mario, having a Rythm Heaven Fever rep isn't a terrible choice, but it seems more like the kind of game that would be represented without a playable character, maybe make Karate Joe and Assist Trophy. I'd replace Shulk with Issac, and also make Chrom his own character. Also it's unfair to remove ONE character and not others, that would cause fan rage. Also maybe add a Mii.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Well, I have a new roster...

Total Characters: 50
Returning Veterans: All 35
Newcomers: 15 (Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Toon Zelda/Tetra, Ridley, Mewtwo, Chrom, Palutena, Takamaru, Little Mac, Isaac, Shulk, MegaMan, Mii)

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I'd be satisfied with this!

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Well, I have a new roster...

Total Characters: 50
Returning Veterans: All 35
Newcomers: 15 (Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Toon Zelda/Tetra, Ridley, Mewtwo, Chrom, Palutena, Takamaru, Little Mac, Isaac, Shulk, MegaMan, Mii)

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I'd love to see that. I have a couple preference differences, but there's nothing that bothers me at all! Well done!

 

[Deleted member]

Yes, that roster is quite satisfactory.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Well, I have a new roster...

Total Characters: 50
Returning Veterans: All 35
Newcomers: 15 (Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Toon Zelda/Tetra, Ridley, Mewtwo, Chrom, Palutena, Takamaru, Little Mac, Isaac, Shulk, MegaMan, Mii)

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10/10 Nice job! I like this roster.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

What if Eevee got in, but was just limited to the Gen 1 evolutions? That doesn't seem to unlikely to be honest.

 

[AEMehr]

Agreed, but not Mr. Game & Watch, though not expected at the time it seems like an obvious addition given how classic Game & Watch games are along with the Game & Watch Gallery installments.

Well to be fair, that can go with Wii Fit Trainer too. But that doesn't hinder my point in the slightest anyways, I highly doubt anybody guessed Mr. Game & Watch premelee and nobody in their right mind realistically considered the Wii Fit Trainer.

"No Cuts" Version:

This is the better version imo. Also I think you should consider swapping out Medusa for another unrepresented franchise character. I'd also probably switch the Fire Emblem character placement with Kirby (because organization could be better).
I'd also move Paper Mario the end of the row.
...now that I think about it there would be a lot I would change in terms of organization...
But for the characters on it it's good (just switch medusa for somebody who makes more sense

If I may interject a new topic, one that's rather small and non-controversial as it's completely opinion-based.

What's your opinion on Dark Matter?

Ah Dark Matter, I find him competing against Waddle Dee for the next spot in the roster (however Gooey could represent Dark Matter in some form though). Despite that, I would love to see this happen. The chances of it this time around are slim though, especially since he isn't Sakurai's character either. (all games with reference to Dark Matter were games Sakurai had no part in).

Well, I have a new roster...

Total Characters: 50
Returning Veterans: All 35
Newcomers: 15 (Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Toon Zelda/Tetra, Ridley, Mewtwo, Chrom, Palutena, Takamaru, Little Mac, Isaac, Shulk, MegaMan, Mii)

This essentially is my ideal roster.
Wait what the hell that is my roster (You posted literally 30 minutes before I did asdffdasdasdsdasdasdasdsaad).

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how

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Also I think you should consider swapping out Medusa for another unrepresented franchise character. I'd also probably switch the Fire Emblem character placement with Kirby (because organization could be better).
I'd also move Paper Mario the end of the row.
...now that I think about it there would be a lot I would change in terms of organization...
But for the characters on it it's good (just switch medusa for somebody who makes more sense

I have Paper Mario next to Mario because they are both the same person and it's a throwback to Melee & 64. Also I have Kirby at top because it's more popular than Fire Emblem. As for Medusa, I kind of don't like the idea of a cloneless roster and don't have any other franchises to represent. All I have left to add is Sheriff.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Well, I have a new roster...

Total Characters: 50
Returning Veterans: All 35
Newcomers: 15 (Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Toon Zelda/Tetra, Ridley, Mewtwo, Chrom, Palutena, Takamaru, Little Mac, Isaac, Shulk, MegaMan, Mii)

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This roster works for me, and it's nearly my ideal wishlist. (nearly)

And congrats on becoming a Smash Lord!

 

[shrooby]

Isn't the new Snake game not coming to Nintendo?

In any case we don't know the rules on guest characters. Maybe Sakurai doesn't feel that guest characters should be in more than one game?

Snake was unique. Sakurai realized the design space he opened up with Snake. Regular A moves can serve as projectiles and look and act like Special moves. Megaman clearly adopts this style with a jab, tilt, neutral, up and down air and Forward Smash as projectiles.

I feel as if Snake (and Sonic) will not return and open up two slots for two legendary gaming icons: Megaman (now confirmed) and Pacman.

I thank you for that last part since you grouped Sonic there as well and didn't give him a free pass like some seem to do, but I disagree with you.
That isn't Snake's primary style. Snake's primary focus is setting up control over the stage via many things that can hurt you being around in different locations. Via C4s, land mines, and grenades. And only two of his A-moves are not traditional (up-smash and down-smash). All of his other A-moves are pretty traditional. Megaman doesn't copy Snake's playstyle from what we've seen (and we've seen most of his moveset if not all of it). Megaman is more projectile focused and keeping you away from him until you're ready to KO. Snake is more of a game of getting you into a cramped space surrounded by different things. They're not very alike and they don't replace one another for that reason.
And, with the case of Sakurai feeling like 3rd party character shouldn't be in more than one game, I feel that him thinking the opposite is more likely. Actually, let me rephrase, he may or may not feel that way (I can't say it's more likely he leans towards one direction), but what I can say is that he isn't making these games to satisfy himself and what he feels about it. He is making a game for everyone else. Even when he's making decisions on characters nobody would have ever thought of, he's doing it because he knows that that character will be interesting, unique, and fun for the consumers. Even if he feels that Sonic and Snake should be a one time thing, removing Sonic and Snake for such an arbitrary reason would be going against his stance as a developer as that isn't what most people who will be buying Smash4 want (I don't need to cite that most people want Sonic back do I?) Which is why I think that they won't be removed for such a reason. Now, I said "for such a reason." Meaning they could be removed for another reason, and I think the only reason that would make sense is time constraints.

 

[Bowserlick]

He gives many interviews, maybe he'll give us the reason why they are both cut.

I didn't mean that Megaman took Snake's niche (although the post does come off like that). I just feel that Snake's two unique smashes really opened up design space. B moves don't have to be the only flashy moves with special properties.

 

[shinhed-echi]

What if Eevee got in, but was just limited to the Gen 1 evolutions? That doesn't seem to unlikely to be honest.

I would absolutely have no quarrel over this.

As strange as it may seem, I'm a big fan of the 1st gen evolutions. :D

 

[MagnesD3]

I expect the roster to be between this and this.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I expect the roster to be between this and this.

I'm happy with both of these.

Personally, I don't like Diddy and Dixie being a double character and Bowser Jr being able to turn into Shadow Mario.

The roster/s is/are fairly likely.

 

[MagnesD3]

I'm happy with both of these.

Personally, I don't like Diddy and Dixie being a double character and Bowser Jr being able to turn into Shadow Mario.

The roster/s is/are fairly likely.

I include the diddy dixie combo because of sakurai's original vision and I include shadow mario as he holds alot of potential with the paintbrush while Jr. has other moves to standout on his own with (also I really like shadow mario)...

 

[shrooby]

He gives many interviews, maybe he'll give us the reason why they are both cut.

You're kind of coming off as if they're good as gone already. I don't know if that was your intention.
I suppose we could bring it to the rest of thread to come up with those hypothetical reasons, but I think you're missing my point. Sonic and Snake wouldn't be removed or replaced for such a reason that doesn't follow the general lines of "I tried to, but this and that." From what Sakurai has said, there are plans to include them, but they may not make the final cut because of whatever reason. What he has said regarding cuts contradicts the belief that Sonic and Snake, from stage one of roster development, were planned to be cut.
Now, about the "this and that," which I'm going to interpret as time constraints, it's hard to say which characters hold priority over which characters, so we don't know which, if any (maybe they'll actually make it through the veterans) characters will be cut, because we don't have an accurate list of priority. Here's what we can say though: characters that have been revealed are probably somewhere up there. And Jigglypuff, Toon Link, and Wolf, along with the any "forbidden 7" that may return, could be at the bottom again because it implies that they were in Brawl.
What I'm trying to say is that they won't be replaced by other third parties, or cut because Sakurai doesn't want them. I think that for Sakurai that is not enough reason to warrant being completely cut and never even planned from the beginning, especially with characters as unique and irreplaceable as Sonic and Snake.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So apparently, stages on the Wii U are going to be bigger than before.

Ridley?

 

[shrooby]

So apparently, stages on the Wii U are going to be bigger than before.

Ridley?

That would imply that there was a problem with Ridley and stages being too small though!

 

[KingofPhantoms]

DARN IT!

Ninja'd.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

That would imply that there was a problem with Ridley and stages being too small though!

I like this guy!

Can we keep him?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

This may sound strange, but I think I'm switching over to Dixie Kong for a number of reasons:

1. Supposedly planned for Brawl
2. wouldn't be surprised if the DK newcomer was a Kong
3. Seems like a popular candidate that would please a lot of people
4. Seems like the type of character Sakurai would choose
5. SSB4 is gotta have some semi-clones

Where I stand on King K. Rool's likeliness hasn't changed, but for the time being I'm gonna go with Dixie Kong. Imma post my new roster tommorow.

 

[shrooby]

I like this guy!

Can we keep him?

Oh, silly, I've been here all along! Waiting for the perfect opportunities to arise when I may interject and display my opinions to the world!
That's a very dramatic way of saying that I'm an observer that only occasionally says stuff.

This may sound strange, but I think I'm switching over to Dixie Kong for a number of reasons:

1. Supposedly planned for Brawl
2. wouldn't be surprised if the DK newcomer was a Kong
3. Seems like a popular candidate that would please a lot of people
4. Seems like the type of character Sakurai would choose
5. SSB4 is gotta have some semi-clones

Where I stand on King K. Rool's likeliness hasn't changed, but for the time being I'm gonna go with Dixie Kong. Imma post my new roster tommorow.

You could always go for both if you think it's justifiable. It's certainly not out of the realm of possibilities.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

This may sound strange, but I think I'm switching over to Dixie Kong for a number of reasons:

1. Supposedly planned for Brawl
2. wouldn't be surprised if the DK newcomer was a Kong
3. Seems like a popular candidate that would please a lot of people
4. Seems like the type of character Sakurai would choose
5. SSB4 is gotta have some semi-clones

Where I stand on King K. Rool's likeliness hasn't changed, but for the time being I'm gonna go with Dixie Kong. Imma post my new roster tommorow.

I think it will have some semi-clones, you're right on that, but Dixie will certainly NOT share any specials with Diddy. (except maybe the D-special)

And I hope any Link clones will be Luigi-fied. And Ganondorf should just get a completely new moveset. (maybe a few attacks from Brawl can be kept, as long as they aren't similar to any Capt. Falcon moves)

 

[shinhed-echi]

This may sound strange, but I think I'm switching over to Dixie Kong for a number of reasons:

1. Supposedly planned for Brawl
2. wouldn't be surprised if the DK newcomer was a Kong
3. Seems like a popular candidate that would please a lot of people
4. Seems like the type of character Sakurai would choose
5. SSB4 is gotta have some semi-clones

Where I stand on King K. Rool's likeliness hasn't changed, but for the time being I'm gonna go with Dixie Kong. Imma post my new roster tommorow.

Tagged with Diddy? Or without?

As a second duo character, it would be pretty cool (I just can't imagine the level of broken-ness having a high tier like Diddy Kong paired up with another similar kong).

Popo and Nana can't tag-in/tag-out, this is where Diddy+Dixie's combination would differ... But this sounds like the kind of complication that Sakurai was talking about on the 3DS, so I doubt it would happen. XD

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Eh, I never really liked the idea of Diddy and Dixie as a double character or a tag team, or a Zelda/Sheik case. That's just me though, I think they should be seperate.

I think the best choice for a double character like the Ice Climbers would be Plusle and Minun.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Eh, I never really liked the idea of Diddy and Dixie as a double character or a tag team, or a Zelda/Sheik case. That's just me though, I think they should be seperate.

I think the best choice for a double character like the Ice Climbers would be Plusle and Minun.

Would they come out of TWO pokeballs, or just one?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Would they come out of TWO pokeballs, or just one?

Two, that's certain.

For the entrance animation, I don't think that would be an issue.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Two, that's certain.

For the entrance animation, I don't think that would be an issue.

I dig Plusle and Minum.
But I would have them superglued together, unlike the Ice Climbers.
It would be like twice the Pichu!

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I dig Plusle and Minum.
But I would have them superglued together, unlike the Ice Climbers.
It would be like twice the Pichu!

I think it wouldn't be too hard to give them a more unique moveset. (share a few moves with Pichu, but have their own moves too)

But it would indeed be like the Pichu times two.

Speaking of which, P&M HAVE to be related to Pikachu's evolutions in some way, maybe like a Pokemon subspecies?

 

[Starbound]

I do think that the DK series can warrant four characters. It's been alive and well since Brawl came out, just like it was between Melee and Brawl.

Plus Dixie and King K. Rool are both more popular than most Mario characters, and I'm fully in support of Dixie not being a Diddy semi-clone, which is very possible.

 

[shinhed-echi]

I think it wouldn't be too hard to give them a more unique moveset. (share a few moves with Pichu, but have their own moves too)

But it would indeed be like the Pichu times two.

Speaking of which, P&M HAVE to be related to Pikachu's evolutions in some way, maybe like a Pokemon subspecies?

It always struck me as odd as to why they were basically Pichu, with a slight cheek recolor, and an opposing charge each.
Perhaps some day it could be explained (though that boat sailed a long time ago, with Gen 3)

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I do think that the DK series can warrant four characters. It's been alive and well since Brawl came out, just like it was between Melee and Brawl.

Plus Dixie and King K. Rool are both more popular than most Mario characters, and I'm fully in support of Dixie not being a Diddy semi-clone, which is very possible.

Agreed.
DK has two characters with high potential, and it's been rather underrepped since Melee.

Both Dixie and K. Rool I think are more viable than any Mario character. It's the only series in Smash with more than one character that has very high potential.

 

[Glaciacott]

I'm bored and I just made this, so if people are willing to critique, I'd love to hear what you think:

(And no, I won't replace Robin or Ike with Roy. Anything but Roy.)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

(And no, I won't replace Robin or Ike with Roy. Anything but Roy.)

Why?

 

[Starbound]

Don't really agree with Porky. imo, I'd swap him with Dixie Kong.

 

[Glaciacott]

Why?

Roy was in Melee as a pure flavor of the month thing, and even though I'm ok with using him in Melee, I like him staying in Melee.
Ike did much more and actually means something to Fire Emblem, whereas Roy, by Lord standards, is one of the least interesting and weakest (since really his strength relies almost entirely on his sword.) I get the impression people ask for Roy back just because of Melee and not because of the character meaning much to the Fire Emblem series, and that kind of bothers me.

@Peachy: I've written really long arguments before (and will again once the Rate their Chances thread gets to him) as to why I want Porky in Smash, but that said I agree that it is unlikely and would not be surprised about Dixie.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Roy was in Melee as a pure flavor of the month thing, and even though I'm ok with using him in Melee, I like him staying in Melee.
Ike did much more and actually means something to Fire Emblem, whereas Roy, by Lord standards, is one of the least interesting and weakest (since really his strength relies almost entirely on his sword.) I get the impression ask for Roy back just because of Melee and not because of the character meaning much to the Fire Emblem series, and that kind of bothers me.

Roy was not a flavor of the month thing. He was added because he stood out the most out of the possible Marth clones at the time. Since then Roy has grown in popularity. In Japan he's the most popular GBA lord. More popular than Lyn, Hector, Emphiram, etc. And this is mainly due to the love of the game there. That is FE6. Ask Chrono for more information. Here of course Melee is the only reason we particularly care about him, BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY GAME WE'VE GOTTEN, that had him in it (disregarding Awakening DLC). If we had FE6 I assure you, he'd be loved as he really is an important part of FE. His game gave the series new life after the series was on a long and painful hiatus. He's a lot more important then you think.

And why replace Ike? For Chrom? Why can't they coexsist? They are different after all. And why both Chrom AND Robin? Two Awakening slots baffles me.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Would really love seeeing these guys. I hope they all make it in, even if some of them turn out ATs, nobody should miss out on this double dose of SSB.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Would really love seeeing these guys. I hope they all make it in, even if some of them turn out ATs, nobody should miss out on this double dose of SSB.

Who's the guy second to the left?

 

[Glaciacott]

Um ... I have Ike and Robin. I don't know where you saw Chrom.

I'm pretty sure Roy was added because his game was either just released or about to release.
Also, most popular GBA lord doesn't mean much when he's standing against the likes of Marth, the original bad boy of the franchise, Ike, easily one of the most beloved lords from the entry that brought back Fire Emblem to consoles, and any Awakening rep, considering Fire Emblem Awakening put this series in the hands of a lot of people who had overlooked Fire Emblem before. FE6 is tickles compared to Awakening.

That's at least three reps that merit a spot long before Roy is considered, and there is no way Fire Emblem will get four reps.