Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Espio264]

I'm in such a fuzzy mood I'll late you off this one time.

As for Nerfing and buffing, I'm hoping Ganondorf is buffed for sure. I also played Brawl today for the first time in a few weeks and forgot what a pain Link, my usual casual main, is at times. I'd like his B up to get a bit of boost but not to the heights of Melee, both in terms of recovery ability and maybe a bit in power. I understand Link should be heavy with all that equipment but I'd like him a tad lighter. Selfishness reasons out the way.

Meta Knight is an obvious nerf but other than that I'm not too sure. I'm far better than all my friends at Smash but not good enough to play competitively so I'm not overly familiar with the competitive scene. With the new Smash games I'm hoping to improve to where I can play competitively.

In response to Link's weight, I've been taking note that the characters are brighter, shinier, more cartoony for the most part compared to Brawl's grittier, trying to be a tad bit more realistic look. Bowser's no longer hunched over and Luigi looks like he's made out of plastic in some pictures. Do you think this may affect the weight of certain characters? I definitely noticed a little weight difference in Link's weight between Melee and Brawl.

 

[SuperBrawler]

maybe Ike should be nerfed.

 

[MargnetMan23]

maybe Ike should be nerfed.

Because we ALL know Ike was top tier in brawl right? XD

 

[Kevandre]

 

[mimgrim]

Oh, I'm also in agreement that MK should be the only on nerfed. But I'm pretty sure people will get nerfed regardless, possibly because of the probably new physics in the game. Look at Falcon. He was top in Melee, and he sank bad in Brawl. Someone else may just as well be screwed by the physics.

It wasn't really the "physics" change that nerfed Falcon. What nerfed Falcon the most were 2 mechanics, Stale Moves (this really hurt his Knee of Justice as it is arguably his best move) and hitstun cancle (Falcon was always suppose to be a comboer, which is why the hitstun cancle hurts him because it allows people to escape from combos. And I guarentee you if thos 2 things return Olimar will be buffed regardless of gravity, as his recovery as is is already sucky so I doubt a lower in gravity will affect him that much.

 

[N3ON]

I never really liked that term, and this is coming from someone who greatly supports Toad. I don't think being part of some arbitrary group of characters really boosts his chances. There are other reasons he should be included that are much more important.

Yeah, I'm not using some fan-made term to justify his inclusion, I was just saying he's the only one of the eight not playable. I agree he has enough other actually important merits, not just some unofficial name, to warrant inclusion.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Gengar = APPROVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[zauberdragon]

In response to Link's weight, I've been taking note that the characters are brighter, shinier, more cartoony for the most part compared to Brawl's grittier, trying to be a tad bit more realistic look. Bowser's no longer hunched over and Luigi looks like he's made out of plastic in some pictures. Do you think this may affect the weight of certain characters? I definitely noticed a little weight difference in Link's weight between Melee and Brawl.

I think that may be part of the reason I'm hoping for a weight change, the new visuals lend themselves to a slightly float-ier gameplay. It all depends on the new physics. If Sakurai does come up on his promise of gameplay somewhere between Melee and Brawl then most if not all characters will certainly handle differently. Without any hands on reports yet, and having not really noticed too much change from the trailers this is all informed speculation.

 

[mimgrim]

Not enough random slots. :C Also Fire Emblem cast is very subpar as you are missing Sigrud, Lief, Ehpraim, Erika, Lyn, Eliwood, Hector, Chrom, Tiki, Anna, Robin, Grima, Nagi, Hardin, and Maledus. :L

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Periodic table of Smash Bros.
I laughed.

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[zauberdragon]

My dream of Crazy Redd v Primid v Infernape v Cranky Kong 40 minute coin match are finally realised!

 

[Espio264]

Gengar = APPROVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had Gengar on mine too. Just saying...

http://smashboards.com/threads/roster-prediction-display-thread.324220/page-6

 

[shrooby]

Yeah, I'm not using some fan-made term to justify his inclusion, I was just saying he's the only one of the eight not playable. I agree he has enough other actually important merits, not just some unofficial name, to warrant inclusion.

Oh, I know you weren't saying that. I was more just giving my two cents and were the latest to mention it. Whether or not you were using as justification.

Still no Toad? GAAAAAAH

 

[Kevandre]

Thanks guys that roster took me like 18 hours to make in 2007

 

[Espio264]

Thanks guys that roster took me like 18 hours to make in 2007

It's beautiful. Back in 2007 my roommate would have probably printed it out and pinned it to his wall. Of course he would probably also have found a way to declare it scientifically inaccurate. I like your dedication though.

 

[zauberdragon]

It's beautiful. Back in 2007 my roommate would have probably printed it out and pinned it to his wall. Of course he would probably also have found a way to declare it scientifically inaccurate. I like your dedication though.

I think I might do that now. I mean everyone in my student house is a history student but it'll go nicely next to my poster of the British Empire.

Anyway, it's been fun an ol' tonight but I'm off to bed.

 

[Espio264]

I think I might do that now. I mean everyone in my student house is a history student but it'll go nicely next to my poster of the British Empire.

Anyway, it's been fun an ol' tonight but I'm off to bed.

It sure does feel like a small world when you find out that Harry Potter is a Smash Bros. fan too. Awesome.

 

[Hotfeet444]

It sure does feel like a small world when you find out that Harry Potter is a Smash Bros. fan too. Awesome.

Daniel Radcliffe is a Smash Bros fan? Awesome. I wonder who his main is....

 

[Espio264]

Daniel Radcliffe is a Smash Bros fan? Awesome. I wonder who his main is....

Good question. Pretty sure it's not Ganondorf though...

 

[SuperBrawler]

Daniel Radcliffe is a Smash Bros fan? Awesome. I wonder who his main is....

Someone magic? Like Zelda?

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

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Your roster has improved significantly since I last saw it! However, there are still two things that really bother me about it.

1. 3 Kid Icarus characters is easily too much representation. A second rep alone is taken into a lot of question.

2. The removal of Snake and not Sonic is absurd. Snake is the mascot of KONAMI just like Sonic is the mascot of SEGA. Removing one and not the other is more likely to piss people off than anything else (note that removing both probably won't end well either, but at least there's a much stronger basis for doing so).

Of coarse, I like to provide steps for improvement (imo, of coarse) so I'm not just about criticism.

1. If Medusa is replaced with Snake, than both things that bother me are solved.

2. I'm slightly bothered than Zelda has 1 less than Mario and Pokemon (But it's easy to see why it does), so Medusa could be replaced with a 5th. Snake should have a reappearance, too, so I think someone should be replaced to make room for him. My suggestions would be Pac-Man, Starfy, or the Mii.

Thanks for hearing!

 

[Espio264]

No offense to you, zauberdragon, I'm not implying that all UK residents are Harry Potter. Just the term "student house" made me crack a smile. The images of my dorm in North Carolina full of dumbasses piled on a futon playing Smash back in 2007 contrasted to a "student house" playing Smash is an interesting thing to think about. Although I bet both places end each match with a lot of yelling and skittles being thrown.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Actually, hang on, I think I found something a little more interesting to talk about.

http://www.nintendo-insider.com/201...-u-to-have-bigger-stages-than-previous-games/

It turns out that stages this time around are being designed to be bigger than they were in previous installments. I know this doesn't exactly relate but, it gives me more faith for Ridley, as one of the most stupid arguments against him was "Try fitting four Ridleys on screen at the same time".

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Your roster has improved significantly since I last saw it! However, there are still two things that really bother me about it.

1. 3 Kid Icarus characters is easily too much representation. A second rep alone is taken into a lot of question.

2. The removal of Snake and not Sonic is absurd. Snake is the mascot of KONAMI just like Sonic is the mascot of SEGA. Removing one and not the other is more likely to piss people off than anything else (note that removing both probably won't end well either, but at least there's a much stronger basis for doing so).

Of coarse, I like to provide steps for improvement (imo, of coarse) so I'm not just about criticism.

1. If Medusa is replaced with Snake, than both things that bother me are solved.

2. I'm slightly bothered than Zelda has 1 less than Mario and Pokemon (But it's easy to see why it does), so Medusa could be replaced with a 5th. Snake should have a reappearance, too, so I think someone should be replaced to make room for him. My suggestions would be Pac-Man, Starfy, or the Mii.

Thanks for hearing!

Well, I doubt Third-Parties don't get in based on what company they are from. They get in based on what character they are. I mean Pac-Man isn't going to get in JUST because he's from Namco. Snake was mostly just for a request for a friend to appear for once, I doubt the favor involved Snake being a veteran for life. But, we could very well just keep both third-parties add Mega Man and call it a day.

 

[Espio264]

Actually, hang on, I think I found something a little more interesting to talk about.

http://www.nintendo-insider.com/201...-u-to-have-bigger-stages-than-previous-games/

It turns out that stages this time around are being designed to be bigger than they were in previous installments. I know this doesn't exactly relate but, it gives me more faith for Ridley, as one of the most stupid arguments against him was "Try fitting four Ridleys on screen at the same time".

So does this mean all of the Punch Out logos and references are somewhere off in the far reaches of the giant Boxing ring stage, and just aren't seen in the screen shots?

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Well, I doubt Third-Parties don't get in based on what company they are from. They get in based on what character they are. I mean Pac-Man isn't going to get in JUST because he's from Namco.

I understand Pac-Man isn't getting in just because he's from Namco. He's one of video games' largest icons. At the same time, Snake isn't just a small fry either, being the mascot of KONAMI, which is also a large company. KONAMI isn't as close to Nintendo as SEGA is (and they certainly aren't strangers), but other than that, Snake and Sonic are on equal terms (I think you underestimate Snake's popularity and how well he was recieved).

Snake was mostly just for a request for a friend to appear for once, I doubt the favor involved Snake being a veteran for life.

It may have been a favor, but Sakurai wouldn't have added Snake if he didn't feel Snake was deserving.

But, we could very well just keep both third-parties add Mega Man and call it a day.

That's what I think is most likely considering how reserved Sakurai is.

 

[Hotfeet444]

So does this mean all of the Punch Out logos and references are somewhere off in the far reaches of the giant Boxing ring stage, and just aren't seen in the screen shots?

I don't think there needs to be a blatant reference to Punch-Out as it clearly looks like that of a Punch-Out stage. The giant boxing ring, the use of actual people, the outlook/architecture of the arena, it all just screams Punch-Out to me. I just hope this means Final Destination goes back to being giant like in Melee instead of puny like in Brawl.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

The giant boxing ring, the use of actual people, the outlook/architecture of the arena, it all just screams Punch-Out to me.

Really? It kind of just screamed "any stadium in the world" to me.

 

[MattX20]

I understand Pac-Man isn't getting in just because he's from Namco. He's one of video games' largest icons. At the same time, Snake isn't just a small fry either, being the mascot of KONAMI, which is also a large company. KONAMI isn't as close to Nintendo as SEGA is (and they certainly aren't strangers), but other than that, Snake and Sonic are on equal terms (I think you underestimate Snake's popularity and how well he was recieved).



It may have been a favor, but Sakurai wouldn't have added Snake if he didn't feel Snake was deserving.



That's what I think is most likely considering how reserved Sakurai is.

Would Sakurai be as reserved for characters like Palutena considering that her recent characterization is technically his own creation?

 

[Hotfeet444]

Really? It kind of just screamed "any stadium in the world" to me.

I think it's also common sense to assume that there's only one need for a Boxing Ring stage, which is obviously the inclusion of Little Mac. If it turns out to just be a generic stage, I'm going to be questioning why Sakurai didn't just design a Punch-Out stage out of it.

Would Sakurai be as reserved for characters like Palutena considering that her recent characterization is technically his own creation?

It may be his own interpretation, but she's still not his character. It's not like the Kirby series, where he was the main creator of a majority of the characters in the series, the only characters he really created were Viridi, Magnus and Hades.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Would Sakurai be as reserved for characters like Palutena considering that her recent characterization is technically his own creation?

It also seems that Sakurai doesn't like giving a lot of representation to his own series, with Kirby being the supporting factor. This is why Palutena is brought into a lot of question. KI is already a small series, after all. I think that with enough support, Palutena could get in, but I'd say it's up in the air.

 

[Espio264]

I don't think there needs to be a blatant reference to Punch-Out as it clearly looks like that of a Punch-Out stage. The giant boxing ring, the use of actual people, the outlook/architecture of the arena, it all just screams Punch-Out to me. I just hope this means Final Destination goes back to being giant like in Melee instead of puny like in Brawl.

Or maybe they'll jazz up Final Destination this time. Half way through a battle a staircase will appear on one end, when the players all run to the top they get to a Final - er Destination. But this time it's got, you know, a green outline or something.

Seriously though, I agree. It felt short in Brawl. And the ring always screamed Punch Out to me too.

 

[shrooby]

Well, I doubt Third-Parties don't get in based on what company they are from. They get in based on what character they are. I mean Pac-Man isn't going to get in JUST because he's from Namco. Snake was mostly just for a request for a friend to appear for once, I doubt the favor involved Snake being a veteran for life. But, we could very well just keep both third-parties add Mega Man and call it a day.

If anything Snake would not make the cut because of time constraints. He was a unique. There's no reason for him to not return unless we're scrapping third parties all together (which we know isn't the case), or replacing the old with the new, which would include Sonic (unless, as I said before, time constraints). Losing Snake because of some reason like "That agreement was only for Brawl" or "We need another 'Konami rep'" isn't a very good reason for him to be cut (the latter not being towards you, but I've seen people say that). Why would this friendly agreement last only one game? I'm not claiming to know what Sakurai thinks, but if I were in charge and Kojima had asked me to do the same, I wouldn't do a 180 for the sequel when Snake ended up being such a unique character in Brawl. I would try my best to bring him back, just like every other character.
In all honesty, if I could only choose three third parties, I'd go with Sonic, Snake, and Mega Man. That has always been my preferred choice since speculation began. Sorry Pac-fans

 

[Bowserlick]

Isn't the new Snake game not coming to Nintendo?

In any case we don't know the rules on guest characters. Maybe Sakurai doesn't feel that guest characters should be in more than one game?

Snake was unique. Sakurai realized the design space he opened up with Snake. Regular A moves can serve as projectiles and look and act like Special moves. Megaman clearly adopts this style with a jab, tilt, neutral, up and down air and Forward Smash as projectiles.

I feel as if Snake (and Sonic) will not return and open up two slots for two legendary gaming icons: Megaman (now confirmed) and Pacman.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

In any case we don't know the rules on guest characters. Maybe Sakurai doesn't feel that guest characters should be in more than one game?
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That's what I think

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

It also seems that Sakurai doesn't like giving a lot of representation to his own series, with Kirby being the supporting factor. This is why Palutena is brought into a lot of question. KI is already a small series, after all. I think that with enough support, Palutena could get in, but I'd say it's up in the air.

Ah, but Kid Icarus wasn't made by Sakurai and his team. Only Uprising and Pit and Palutena's new designs.
Maybe Sakurai could realize that and add Palutena. I'd say a new KI rep is about 40%

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[shinhed-echi]

Ah, but Kid Icarus wasn't by Sakurai and his team. Only Uprising and Pit and Palutena's new designs.
Maybe Sakurai could realize that and add Palutena. I'd say a new KI rep is about 40%

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This.
And an unlockable surprise, I might add.

I wonder if we'll have to play 20 hours of VS again to unlock Mewtwo, hmm? (Or how much time was it? I recall the time being reduced if more players were on screen)

 

[MattX20]

Ah, but Kid Icarus wasn't made by Sakurai and his team. Only Uprising and Pit and Palutena's new designs.
Maybe Sakurai could realize that and add Palutena. I'd say a new KI rep is about 40%

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If Chronobounds' research on the Japanese Smash fanbase' most wanted characters is anything to go by and how she was in the top 5 most requested characters for Smash 4, I'd say her chances are at least a 60% minimum.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Well, I have a new roster...

Total Characters: 50
Returning Veterans: All 35
Newcomers: 15 (Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Toon Zelda/Tetra, Ridley, Mewtwo, Chrom, Palutena, Takamaru, Little Mac, Isaac, Shulk, MegaMan, Mii)

Woot! 1000 Comments!

 

[Starbound]

Haven't had a roster posted here since like... May or something like that so uh here's mine.

Reasoning:

Spoiler

No New Mario Character: While I personally advocate for new Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario, I do think that other characters do out-prioritze them.

Dixie Kong: Being planned for Brawl to an extend means that Sakurai knows what she can do, and I believe it's fully possible to make her different than Diddy Kong.

King K. Rool: Had a large amount of pre-Brawl popularity and it's only increased since then. Being the most popular character internationally (every region in the world, as far as I'm aware, has him in their top five, and I think he's the only character with this feat).

No New Zelda character: Not warranted imo. I don't believe that Toon Zelda can differentiate enough from normal Zelda, and that's the only Zelda newcomer I see happening.

Takamaru: A character who's become international since Brawl, and he pretty much has a moveset made for him from his 1986 game, which is very impressive.

No Ridley: While Ridley isn't as low of a priority as a new Mario newcomer, I do feel that showing a wider variety of Nintendo franchises is a higher priority than Ridley.

No Palutena: As much as I love the character, I really am doubting her chances. Her biggest claim to fame, her popularity, may not have had a chance to grow before the roster was finalized, and Sakurai is modest with his own creations, which includes his creation of the revamped Palutena.

Karate Joe: Rhythm Heaven is a fairly large franchise in Japan that's existed since the Gameboy. His moves from the games within Rhythm Heaven pretty much write him a moveset ala Wii Fit Trainer.

Starfy: Being a "Fighter Related" trophy in Brawl makes me think he was planned for the game, but was taken out because Sakurai didn't think Starfy would be a character people wanted to play as. Wii Fit Trainer changes things once again, which makes Starfy rather likely in my opinion. Starfy is also the second most wanted new franchise in Japan after Xenoblade.

Cut Wolf: He's the last character completed for Brawl, and I don't think anything has changed to make him higher priority. Everyone else provides more uniqueness than a Fox semi-clone.

Shulk: Smash Bros. is all about showing off the last generation, and Xenoblade was huge. I think Project Rainfall's massive success only shows how much people love this game. Shulk's Monado has a wide variety of abilities that write a moveset for him. Oh, and he's one of the most wanted characters in Japan.

Mewtwo: It's Mewtwo, nuff said.

Cut Lucario: I don't see Lucario being a higher priority than Mewtwo, and I think he competed with Jigglypuff for the fourth Pokemon slot. I don't see him beating out Jigglypuff due to her simplistic design, and Lucario is rather complex with his aura ability.

Chrom+Lucina: The slot I'm more unsure of. I do think we'll be seeing a new Fire Emblem character, and I think Sakurai is fully capable of making the combo unique without causing hardware troubles. Chrom wouldn't be very exciting on his own, but a pair up partner would make them have a very unique moveset.

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