Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheLastJinjo]

YES! TTYD is my favorite game of all time. If it helps, one of the writers said they want to go back to the original combat system and whatnot but merge a few mechanics from the rest of the series. I think they're going in the right direction.

I think Paper Mario 64 is a 10/10 title, there was not ONE single moment that I didn't enjoy the HELL out of it. Even something so simple as running around a room as an 8-Bit Mario brought you joy. It had the BEST sound effects I ever heard, and it's the most nostalgic game I remember. Not one moment I didn't love.

One thing that annoyed me about TTYD was the fact that there is no form of healing that doesn't cost money, partners have health, and they can take your Life Shrooms.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Did something happen? :O



Hah, thanks, but just so it's clear, I wasn't trying to separate the two, or Zelda and Sheik for that matter, I simply wished to show them as distinct, and I think they will be combined in the actual game as well, plus, it makes the number of characters fit solidly into the rectangle. I was thinking about making a distinction in PKMN trainer, but the only thing I feel is certain or good is that he will return in some yet unknown capacity, for Mewtwo I was simply conflicted and left it at two forms to cover the bases.
Yes, I was thinking that Yoshimitsu was out of the question, but he is a placeholder for a Namco rep as well as himself, I feel if any Namco characters get in, it should be him, due to his appearance in pretty much everything Namco does cross games with, but yes, Bayonetta and Yoshimitsu are in my tentative cutting boat, but if ANY other 3rd parties get in, it should be those two, I have a strong dislike of Pac-man, part of my bias unfortunately


Yes, I also doubt that many 3rd parties, but there was only 5 in the roster , here, I removed two for you.
Bayonetta and Yoshimitsu. Yoshimitsu is an original fighting game character (I know about the interview where Sakurai says fighter characters don't get priority/won't be in) that's been in Street Fighter, Soul Calibur, and principally Tekken. But do not discount Anna, and please add to your assertion the exact reason why she would not be considered, I can give just as many if not more potent reasons she should and would be considered. This is my prediction and emulation of if Sakurai was in a sound, intelligent, and reasoning state of mind at all times while still keeping his principal design philosophies, at least this is what I am attempting.

I'm gonna go ahead and say that F-Zero deserves a second rep before the Mario series deserves another, I think this because of historical significance. far more weighty than sales significance, Black Shadow is the man, and Sakurai's reluctance to add too many characters would prioritize these series over more heavily represented ones, that is Sakurai will prioritize unrepresented series before heavily represented ones, regardless of their weighty Nintendo expanse. If other minor series which are hard to distinguish historical importance from are getting reps in my roster (such as Layton or Custom Robo or Starfy series), you can darn tootin' bet I'm gonna give Advanced Wars a rep, though I do not think any character in particular.
Considering also Sakurai's pain to cut characters from one game to the next, he would opt out of removing Ike, a 'popular' lord (that's what they tell me!) with an already unique moveset. If there is any next Fire Emblem rep most deserving, then it is Anna. Come at me. Wooh, maybe 4 reps for Intelligent Systems is a lot, but hey, y'know?
In light of this, I wish to know why exactly why you think I should have a 5th Pokemon. (And there already is, look, Awakening Mewtwo! Not to mention PKMN Trainer and his possible 3 Pokemans.)

If I would consider adding ANYONE from the Mario series (which I do not believe will get another rep this time around), it will be Paper Mario OR Toad before Bowser Jr. If anyone from Zelda series, then Toon Link or Tingle, but I will not add any more than the four.

Ideally I would add Tom Nook or Hades into that roster.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I agree with this.


I disagree with this.

I don't like your attitude, mister, but then again I don't like the attitude of those that prompted this response either.

Try to NOT talk to Divine, you'll regret it.

 

[CalumG]

Clearly, you do, because otherwise you wouldn't of typed it... if you didn't care, you would ignore it.

Nobody cares, Divine. Nobody cares.

Toads not a unique character of his own though. Hes just like a common mushroom kingdom citizen. You can say almost all of those things about a koopa except instead of being playable, we would tac on villain representation.
Ghirahim, Zelda, Ganondorf, Tingle, Bowser jr. and Paper Mario are all their own character, not common NPC/enemy.

Kino =/= Kinopio. In Western countries, Toad seems like just another generic character, but in Japan, Toad's are referred to as Kino's - the Toad is called Kinopio. That is to say, just like Yoshi, there is the one main member of the species that does more than the rest and holds more importance within the canon of the Mario series. Toad is much more than just your standard NPC.

 

[kingmario92]

It's impossible to make Paper Mario a clone of Mario, it's just not possible. Plus, think of all the possibilities of his moveset. It just seems ENDLESS.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Try to NOT talk to Divine, you'll regret it.

Seriously, I've said nothing controversial, so making it look like it's bigger than it is. There is nothing going on right now, so don't start it. I'm fine right now as it is, and let's keep it that way.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Kino =/= Kinopio. In Western countries, Toad seems like just another generic character, but in Japan, Toad's are referred to as Kino's - the Toad is called Kinopio. That is to say, just like Yoshi, there is the one main member of the species that does more than the rest and holds more importance within the canon of the Mario series. Toad is much more than just your standard NPC.

Cool, thanks.
That didn't make any sense to me at first.

 

[MagnesD3]

Ah. In that case, that definitely seems possible. My money is on Jiggs and Mewtwo, followed by Lucario if there's time for him. Hopefully they all get in.

Yeah I forgot that there was a 3 way mario debate going on as well, I only think we will get 1 mario character this time, my money is on Jr. just because he has become such a staple in the games and they have been pumping out mario games like crazy. Toad I think would have been in already if he was coming, I feel peaches be is a perfect example of how sakurai feels about him. And as for paper mario, he has a good chance but I just dont see a spin off character getting in before a main one, ya know.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

The original Paper Mario is one of my favorite games of all time, just one more of that awesomeness would make me happy.

YES! TTYD is my favorite game of all time. If it helps, one of the writers said they want to go back to the original combat system and whatnot but merge a few mechanics from the rest of the series. I think they're going in the right direction.

Original Paper Mario = Best story
TTYD = Best gameplay

I wish Sticker Star didn't try to change so many things that made up the core of the series. Partners, Star Points, FP Moves, Badges... Come on, they didn't have to remove half of that stuff. Innovation is good and all, but don't forget about the large populous that actually played past games.

 

[Jaedrik]

Try to NOT talk to Divine, you'll regret it.

I would prefer to include everyone :3
But yes, Toad before the others please, but I would rather have no more Mario reps period.

Ideally I would add Tom Nook or Hades into that roster.

I do not believe the historical significance of the Kid Icarus series enough to warrant another character in such heavily strapped times, but am willing to change my perspective with sufficient discussion, given Hades does deserve the spot.
The Villager embodies pretty much every mechanic and element of Animal Crossing already, I doubt Tom Nook.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Original Paper Mario = Best story
TTYD = Best gameplay

I wish Sticker Star didn't try to change so many things that made up the core of the series. Partners, Star Points, FP Moves, Badges... Come on, they didn't have to remove half of that stuff. Innovation is good and all, but don't forget about the large populous that actually played past games.

Haven't played Sticker Star, but it's a bit upsetting to hear all that content has been removed.

I could live without most of those things, but the lack of true partners really upset me.

I still plan to buy the game and give it a shot.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I would prefer to include everyone :3
But yes, Toad before the others please, but I would rather have no more Mario reps period.

I do not believe the historical significance of the Kid Icarus series enough to warrant another character in such heavily strapped times, but am willing to change my perspective with sufficient discussion, given Hades does deserve the spot.
The Villager embodies pretty much every mechanic and element of Animal Crossing already, I doubt Tom Nook.

Yeah but he is an iconic character just like Pikachu and Mewtwo.

 

[MagnesD3]

Original Paper Mario = Best story
TTYD = Best gameplay

I wish Sticker Star didn't try to change so many things that made up the core of the series. Partners, Star Points, FP Moves, Badges... Come on, they didn't have to remove half of that stuff. Innovation is good and all, but don't forget about the large populous that actually played past games.

Im tired of the spin off's of a spin off, I NEED PAPER MARIO 3!!!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Anyways, to think Paper Mario has a greater chance than Toad is crazy, but NOT BECAUSE Paper Mario is a bad decision, but BECAUSE Toad is higher in terms of priority. There is a totem pole to climb, and Toad is the closest to the top.

Ya know Dr. Mario was planned for Brawl, so maybe Sakurai doesn't see need for other CHARACTERS of Mario, meaning Paper Mario may be more likely since he's not another character, but a great and unique version of our main character.

What does this have to do with anything...

Will you stop telling people what to talk about?

 

[kingmario92]

Come on, where's the love for the Mario & Luigi series?

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Honestly, I think the original SMRPG is by far the greatest of the Mario RPGs. I haven't beaten all the other Paper Mario ones, but they seem pretty boring in comparison to SMRPG. Maybe it's because the gameplay is much weaker, like it's an RPG for elementary schoolers whereas SMRPG is for grown-ups in terms of RPGS. The music is weaker, the partners are weaker (Goombas in place of Bowser?), and the world seems weaker, especially in comparison to the gigaantic awesomeness of SMRPG. But that's just my opinion, so take it or leave it. You're free to disagree.

Anyways, if there was any Mario RPG universe I'd love to represent, it would be SMRPG. Although highly unlikely, I'd love for Nintendo and Square to work together to have Geno as a playable character, and bring all the awesome music and stages from SMRPG.

Nobody cares, Divine. Nobody cares.

Nobody cares, Calum. Nobody cares.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Come on, where's the love for the Mario & Luigi series?

Fawful should be an Assist Trophy.

Or Popple. Either one works for me.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Honestly, I think the original SMRPG is by far the greatest of the Mario RPGs. I haven't beaten all the other Paper Mario ones, but they seem pretty boring in comparison to SMRPG. Maybe it's because the gameplay is much weaker, like it's an RPG for elementary schoolers whereas SMRPG is for grown-ups in terms of RPGS. The music is weaker, the partners are weaker (Goombas in place of Bowser?), and the world seems weaker, especially in comparison to the gigaantic awesomeness of SMRPG. But that's just my opinion, so take it or leave it. You're free to disagree.

Anyways, if there was any Mario RPG universe I'd love to represent, it would be SMRPG. Although highly unlikely, I'd love for Nintendo and Square to work together to have Geno as a playable character, and bring all the awesome music and stages from SMRPG.

But, in the end the majority doesn't really care about Geno. I don't even see why he's so likeable and it's a completely random addition.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

So I'm hoping I don't derail the thread too much but here I go

I think Paper Mario 64 is a 10/10 title, there was not ONE single moment that I didn't enjoy the HELL out of it. Even something so simple as running around a room as an 8-Bit Mario brought
joy. It had the BEST sound effects I ever heard, and it's the most nostalgic game I remember. Not one moment I didn't love.

One thing that annoyed me about TTYD was the fact that there is no form of healing that doesn't cost money, partners have health, and they can take your Life Shrooms.

Just how much nostalgia do you have? Though hey, if you like it that much, more power to you. I've got nothing to hate about that since all the Mario RPG's are fantastic in their own respect; even Sticker Star and SPM.

Yeah and paying is good; it's not that hard to get the 10-30 coins they ask you to pony up anyways, some being even less. It takes what, 2-3 battles at most?

Original Paper Mario = Best story
TTYD = Best gameplay

...how does the original paper mario have the best story
I mean you could have said SPM and I would have felt less "what"
I'm taking it you didn't at least take the time to read the first four and Luigi's story

at LEAST you didn't say gameplay; granted the timing window in the original PM is STILL better than SMRPG.

also >your face when overall M&L is becoming better than Paper Mario and might stay that way for at least a while

 

[Hotfeet444]

Clearly, you do, because otherwise you wouldn't of typed it... if you didn't care, you would ignore it. Now, stop asking questions unrelated to the forums, and stop forcing other people into fights.

Comes in bashing a franchise...expects fights not to break out. Nobody can be this naturally stupid, this has to be an act.

Haven't played Sticker Star, but it's a bit upsetting to hear all that content has been removed.

I could live without most of those things, but the lack of true partners really upset me.

I still plan to buy the game and give it a shot.

Trust me, allow me to say that Sticker Star is the first game in the franchise that truly made me feel I'm in a paper-thin world.

 

[Jaedrik]

Yeah but he is an iconic character just like Pikachu and Mewtwo.

Which one and how so? :O

Nobody cares, Divine. Nobody cares.

Nobody cares, Calum. Nobody cares.

I care.

 

[kingmario92]

Fawful should be an Assist Trophy.

Or Popple. Either one works for me.

I know it's never going to happen, but I'd be really awesome to see Fawful as playable character. He has FURY after all

 

[KingofPhantoms]

...how does the original paper mario have the best story
I mean you could have said SPM and I would have felt less "what"
I'm taking it you didn't at least take the time to read the first four and Luigi's story.

It was a good breakthrough in the Mario series though, it was the first time Bowser got as close as to defeating Mario as he did.

I personally think Super Paper Mario had the best story though.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Comes in bashing a franchise...expects fights not to break out. Nobody can be this naturally stupid, this has to be an act.



Trust me, allow me to say that Sticker Star is the first game in the franchise that truly made me feel I'm in a paper-thin world.

I didn't bash any franchise, I just said I prefer SMRPG over Paper Mario. It's called OPINIONS, and naturally we all have different ones. To each their own, and will you stop trying to start a flame war just for the sake of flame wars? I haven't done anything wrong, so stop acting like I did.

 

[CalumG]

Honestly, I think the original SMRPG is by far the greatest of the Mario RPGs. I haven't beaten all the other Paper Mario ones, but they seem pretty boring in comparison to SMRPG. Maybe it's because the gameplay is much weaker, like it's an RPG for elementary schoolers whereas SMRPG is for grown-ups in terms of RPGS. The music is weaker, the partners are weaker (Goombas in place of Bowser?), and the world seems weaker, especially in comparison to the gigaantic awesomeness of SMRPG. But that's just my opinion, so take it or leave it. You're free to disagree.

Anyways, if there was any Mario RPG universe I'd love to represent, it would be SMRPG. Although highly unlikely, I'd love for Nintendo and Square to work together to have Geno as a playable character, and bring all the awesome music and stages from SMRPG.

In all seriousness, are there still actually Geno supporters out there? I thought they all died off and/or learnt their lesson post-Brawl release.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Haven't played Sticker Star, but it's a bit upsetting to hear all that content has been removed.

I could live without most of those things, but the lack of true partners really upset me.

I still plan to buy the game and give it a shot.

It's good on its own, it's just painful to play if you treat it as a sequel. Quirky, comicy Bowser doesn't have a single line in that game. Play it with a grain of salt. Love it if you can forget everything good about past games.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Trust me, allow me to say that Sticker Star is the first game in the franchise that truly made me feel I'm in a paper-thin world.

That's because they exploited the **** out of it.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

But, in the end the majority doesn't really care about Geno. I don't even see why he's so likeable and it's a completely random addition.

I NEVER said Geno was likely... BUT he does have an unnatural amount of high popularity, and he WOULD HAVE been interesting in Smash, even if his chances are zip-to-none.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I didn't bash any franchise, I just said I prefer SMRPG over Paper Mario. It's called OPINIONS, and naturally we all have different ones. To each their own, and will you stop trying to start a flame war just for the sake of flame wars? I haven't done anything wrong, so stop acting like I did.

Your presence here is enough of a problem, and regardless of whether you've done anything wrong (yet) it's always imminent with you.

That's because they exploited the **** out of it.

Regardless, it's still a very enjoyable title.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

In all seriousness, are there still actually Geno supporters out there? I thought they all died off and/or learnt their lesson post-Brawl release.

Nobody cares, Calum. Nobody cares. Nobody cares about your little grudge against me, just because you can't stand the idea of someone disagreeing with your opinions, whether or not they are good or bad. Again, nobody cares about this 'rivalry', Calum. So, stop acting like people do. Get back on topic.

And yes, there are Geno supporters. Just like there are supporters of Paper Mario, Bowser Jr., and Toad.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Guys, honestly. You all provoked this. Saying "oh God, he's back" is gonna make things much worse for the community. I suggest you all stop pouring gasoline over the fire, or however you use that expression.

And Divine, don't blatantly say how lame and crappy Paper Mario was in comparison to RPG. Because that will bring major trouble.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Your presence here is enough of a problem, and regardless of whether you've done anything wrong (yet) it's always imminent with you.



Regardless, it's still a very enjoyable title.

I agree, if you don't count the "Stickers" being a completely broken part of the game and lack of interesting characters or locations. It's still good gameplay wise.

I like the ability to go places on a map the best.

 

[kingmario92]

To be honest, I never found Geno that interesting. All he really did was just advance to plot further and that's it. As a character, he was never that interesting. I think Mallow was more interesting then Geno. Now in battle, that's a different story.

All the characters in Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi had more life, charm, & personality than the ones in SMRPG. But then again, it was the first one, so I can excuse it somewhat.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

It's good on its own, it's just painful to play if you treat it as a sequel. Quirky, comicy Bowser doesn't have a single line in that game. Play it with a grain of salt. Love it if you can forget everything good about past games.

. . .

Please tell by *comicy*, you meant *comical*, and that Bowser's usual personalitywasn't shown through his lines.

Please tell me Bowser at least speaks in the game.....in some way...

 

[3Bismyname]

In all seriousness, are there still actually Geno supporters out there? I thought they all died off and/or learnt their lesson post-Brawl release.

yeah they are still out there. most people have come to the realization that he is rather unlikely due to his position and the legal hoops that he would require.

 

[CalumG]

Nobody cares, Calum. Nobody cares. Nobody cares about your little grudge against me, just because you can't stand the idea of someone disagreeing with your opinions, whether or not they are good or bad. Again, nobody cares about this 'rivalry', Calum. So, stop acting like people do. Get back on topic.

And yes, there are Geno supporters. Just like there are supporters of Paper Mario, Bowser Jr., and Toad.

People who have played Mother, Fire Emblem and have completed Paper Mario are those who's opinions I care about... don't flatter yourself.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Guys, honestly. You all provoked this. Saying "oh God, he's back" is gonna make things much worse for the community. I suggest you all stop pouring gasoline over the fire, or however you use that expression.

And Divine, don't blatantly say how lame and crappy Paper Mario was in comparison to RPG. Because that will bring major trouble.

Agreed. Sorry I said such a thing in the first place.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I personally liked all the Paper Mario games, even Super, and Sticker Star. Yeah, I loved the stuff from the first two and another one like it. Yet, I also liked the other two for offering something different from the plain old mario games.
I think Paper Mario would be the perfect 5th rep for Mario. Sure, many think it's unneeded, but think of it this way. Look at Lucas before he was in (even after for some people), a second Mother rep was unthinkable, yet Lucas came and by most people, gladly accepted. This shows Paper Mario can still get in, even though many are fine with what's there. Plus Paper Mario wouldn't even fit as a clone, even semiclone for that matter. The thing is if Paper Mario is in he will be excepted gladly.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I agree, if you don't count the "Stickers" being a completely broken part of the game and lack of interesting characters or locations. It's still good gameplay wise.

I like the ability to go places on a map the best.

Don't forget the easily best soundtrack in the series.

Edit: Also, we can't blame the gameplay and lack of interesting characters on Intelligent Systems, as it was Miyamoto's decision to have the Paper Mario title entirely feature Mario-only characters. I just hope the next title has as good a story as Super Paper Mario, that title easily had the best characters in the series...or...at least the best villains.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Guys, honestly. You all provoked this. Saying "oh God, he's back" is gonna make things much worse for the community. I suggest you all stop pouring gasoline over the fire, or however you use that expression.

And Divine, don't blatantly say how lame and crappy Paper Mario was in comparison to RPG. Because that will bring major trouble.

People now bash for just for even speaking out in the forums. All I said was Toad should be in Smash in place of Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario, and people just ganged up on me like I'm trying to cause something when I'm not. It's overblown.

People who have played Mother, Fire Emblem and have completed Paper Mario are those who's opinions I care about... don't flatter yourself.

It's Earthbound in America, not Mother.