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That is not a factor in the decision of Paper Mario AT ALL. It's hardly even a spin-off game let alone a spin off character. He's still Mario. Also Paper Mario is WAY more unique than Bowser Jr and we already have a main villian as well as a Koopa.
A second main villain is all the more reason to add him. It would be nice change to have a secondary villain, Mario has a main hero and a secondary hero, why not a main villain and a secondary villain?

I do see how Paper Mario could have more potential for a unique moveset, though.

THAT was your ONLY problem :confused:
To be fair, I'm not as familiar with most of the other series with newcomers included in his roster.

I don't mind Layton being included, and Starfy was a nice choice. I don't know enough about the rest to criticize them.
 

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If anything, I expect think Paper Mario would represent the Paper Mario series. (they didn't do that for Doc and his series, but I would expect it for Paper Mario if he gets in along with either Toad or Jr.)

And don't see how anyone would think Bowser Jr. would have a similar moveset to Bowser.

Bowser relies on physical strength and fire.

Jr. relies on weapons and sometimes fire.

The only moves that would be similar are ones that involve fire breath and attacks using his shell.
Dont forget the paintbrush and the unique types of paint.
 

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Paper Mario has more potential in any one of his games than Bowser Jr has in ALL of his games

Don't get me wrong, I love both characters and have loved both since their debut. I fell in love with both TTYD and Sunshine. I'm just being real here

Also before you ask whether i've played them all I've played practically every game Bowser Jr does something different in (yes even the sports titles) and I've beaten some of them a ridiculous amount of times. Asides from Sticker Star, I've 100%'d every Paper Mario at least five times. No joke.
 

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Well can you blame them? SSE was a stupid descison. The "story" behind it isn't even comprehindable. Not to mentions at how much space it took up, really the bulk of Brawl is the SSE. It just wasn't a good idea, and with how freaking generic it is. But really if you want to do a story mode sort of thing at the very least give it a legit story and not random BS.

On the note of a good story, I have kinda always dreamed for a SSB RPG thing of sorts. Basically same concept as SSB jsut a RPG, classic RPG at that no ARPG, with a legit RPG story with lotsa text. And ofc a multiplayer mode so we can have the pontiental for a competitive classic RPG xD.
 

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A second main villain is all the more reason to add him. It would be nice change to have a secondary villain, Mario has a main hero and a secondary hero, why not a main villain and a secondary villain?

I do see how Paper Mario could have more potential for a unique moveset, though.
Pixiles, companions, paper based moves (paper airblane, tube roll, spring, flip), stickers/various items used in game, hammer etc.

Paper mario has boatloads of potential.

Edit: Damn i suck at reading. Sorry, I thought you said "I don't see how"
 

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Paper Mario has more potential in any one of his games than Bowser Jr has in ALL of his games

Don't get me wrong, I love both characters and have loved both since their debut. I fell in love with both TTYD and Sunshine. I'm just being real here

Also before you ask whether i've played them all I've played practically every game Bowser Jr does something different in (yes even the sports titles) and I've beaten some of them a ridiculous amount of times. Asides from Sticker Star, I've 100%'d every Paper Mario at least five times. No joke.
Then please tell me you are another like myself who is craving Paper Mario 3.
 

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I'm probably the only person that doesn't even care about what happens to the Super Mario Bros. series. Or Pokemon. Or The Legend of Zelda.

Lame things are not my forte.
 

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Haters gonna hate, Super Paper Mario was still superior in gameplay and undeniably in storyline.

Fight me. :troll:
 

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To the people saying whos gonna be cut pokemon wise, there is a retardedly good chance we will get all 3 and impossible to know if one could get cut or not.
Retardedly good? Like, so good it's ********...? Colorful descriptor, to say the least. Any reason why that chance is that good?
If anything, I expect think Paper Mario would represent the Paper Mario series. (they didn't do that for Doc and his series, but I would expect it for Paper Mario if he gets in along with either Toad or Jr.)

And don't see how anyone would think Bowser Jr. would have a similar moveset to Bowser.
I guess because a lot of people can easily see how Jr. can end up like a Bowser semi-clone in the same way Krystal could end up like a Fox clone. It wouldn't make a lot of sense and nobody would really want it, but you can't tell me it's completely out of the realm of possibility for Sakurai to go that route. That's what I assume other people are thinking, at least. I don't think that'd really apply to Jr., but I'd prefer Paper Mario in the first place on part of how he'd be one of the few transforming fighters. You know, turning into stuff like a paper tube, paper airplane, paper boat, all in addition to his arsenal of partners and regular moves. It'd sound a lot more unique in my opinion than Bowser Jr. It depends on which factor has more favor, Jr.'s importance to the core series or Paper Mario's niche movesets and possibilities, I suppose.
 

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Retardedly good? Like, so good it's ********...? Colorful descriptor, to say the least. Any reason why that chance is that good?

I guess because a lot of people can easily see how Jr. can end up like a Bowser semi-clone in the same way Krystal could end up like a Fox clone. It wouldn't make a lot of sense and nobody would really want it, but you can't tell me it's completely out of the realm of possibility for Sakurai to go that route. That's what I assume other people are thinking, at least. I don't think that'd really apply to Jr., but I'd prefer Paper Mario in the first place on part of how he'd be one of the few transforming fighters. You know, turning into stuff like a paper tube, paper airplane, paper boat, all in addition to his arsenal of partners and regular moves. It'd sound a lot more unique in my opinion than Bowser Jr. It depends on which factor has more favor, Jr.'s importance to the core series or Paper Mario's niche movesets and possibilities, I suppose.
Basically I think they will all make it due to the reasons everybody is defending each of their picks to make it it, i dont really think any of them have a better chance than the other yet they all have alot of great points as to why they would return, sakurai really doesnt want cuts this time I think we will get all 3.
 

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Then please tell me you are another like myself who is craving Paper Mario 3.
Oh hell yes I am. While I heavily dislike Super Paper Mario, it was fine for what it was, but ever since then I've wanted them to just go back to console and have a long deadline like TTYD. When Paper Mario Sticker Star (Before as 3DS announced) was announced and changed from an edited Paper Mario remake, I was actually kind-of annoyed to begin with and thought it couldn't do much justice in the first place.

Unfortunately, one of the main guys of the group of writers (who also do other jobs) is soon leaving now that Dream Team has came out, but I'm still hoping. I also wouldn't mind SPM2 if they didn't make the combat so goddamn flimbsy and didn't try to rip off of TTYD's success.
 

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Retardedly good? Like, so good it's ********...? Colorful descriptor, to say the least. Any reason why that chance is that good?

I guess because a lot of people can easily see how Jr. can end up like a Bowser semi-clone in the same way Krystal could end up like a Fox clone. It wouldn't make a lot of sense and nobody would really want it, but you can't tell me it's completely out of the realm of possibility for Sakurai to go that route. That's what I assume other people are thinking, at least. I don't think that'd really apply to Jr., but I'd prefer Paper Mario in the first place on part of how he'd be one of the few transforming fighters. You know, turning into stuff like a paper tube, paper airplane, paper boat, all in addition to his arsenal of partners and regular moves. It'd sound a lot more unique in my opinion than Bowser Jr. It depends on which factor has more favor, Jr.'s importance to the core series or Paper Mario's niche movesets and possibilities, I suppose.
While I prefer Bowser Jr., I can't argue that Paper Mario would indeed be more unique.

If anything though, Jr. would just use similar shell or fire based attacks. He doesn't rely on physical strength like his father does, and a lot of people seem to overlook that, and the fact at how Sakurai is starting to move towards newer things. Unless they mean he'd be a small, semi-clone, like maybe the Ness and Lucas case, (but they usually just say he's a Bowser clone, so how would I know if they mean anything like the Ness/Lucas case?) but I don't really consider Lucas to be a clone anymore. He just shares a few attacks with Ness, and Bowser Jr. would probably share even less attacks with Bowser.
 

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Honestly, Toad deserves a spot on the roster FAR MORE than Bowser Jr. or Paper Mario. This is a Mario character who's been there from the start, has been playable in SEVERAL Mario titles, from platformers like SB2 to NSMBWiiU, to spin-off titles like Party, Kart, and Tennis, has been not only a major and reoccurring character throughout the Mario universe but also among the most recognizable, has plenty of moveset options to choose from, and has a high amount of popularity, and plus would bring the Mario representation in Smash to completion, in terms of characters with importance. To have either Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario get in the game before Toad is the equivalent of getting Tingle or Ghirahim in before Zelda or Ganondorf. :rolleyes:


Haters gonna hate, Super Paper Mario was still superior in gameplay and undeniably in storyline.

Fight me. :troll:

I think Paper Mario in general is pretty lame... in comparison to Super Mario RPG, in not only gameplay, but storyline and CHARACTERS LIKE GENO. :shades: Plus, the music was awesome.

Geno >>>>> EVERY Paper Mario title :troll:
 

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Oh hell yes I am. While I heavily dislike Super Paper Mario, it was fine for what it was, but ever since then I've wanted them to just go back to console and have a long deadline like TTYD. When Paper Mario Sticker Star (Before as 3DS announced) was announced and changed from an edited Paper Mario remake, I was actually kind-of annoyed to begin with and thought it couldn't do much justice in the first place.

Unfortunately, one of the main guys of the group of writers (who also do other jobs) is soon leaving now that Dream Team has came out, but I'm still hoping. I also wouldn't mind SPM2 if they didn't make the combat so goddamn flimbsy and didn't try to rip off of TTYD's success.
Ive waited so long for a true paper mario entry, I hope that we get a true paper mario game for wii u, that would make my day especially with the crud you could use the pad for.
 

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Basically I think they will all make it due to the reasons everybody is defending each of their picks to make it it, i dont really think any of them have a better chance than the other yet they all have alot of great points as to why they would return, sakurai really doesnt want cuts this time I think we will get all 3.
We're lucky to be getting one. He said we're getting less newcomers than before, so I sincerely doubt from the bottom of my heart that we'll have three newcomers coming from one series. Mario doesn't even necessarily need a newcomer, meaning we're lucky as it is to get one.

There's the chance that you're simply the better man than I, but I think you're often too optimistic in your predictions for your own good. All three Mario newcomers is a wet dream, not a prediction. I will write glorious poems of every damn person here on the thread if something as unlikely as that ever came true.
 

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I think Paper Mario is

  • The most unique choice
  • Would be the most well recieved choice as a beloved fighter
  • a highly requested one
  • and the most logical one
Also we don't really need another villian or koopa even if he does have new moves, and while you can't deny Toad is likely, he does work pretty well as an Assist Trophy and part of peach.

I think Paper Mario in general is pretty lame... in comparison to Super Mario RPG, in not only gameplay, but storyline and CHARACTERS LIKE GENO. :shades: Plus, the music was awesome.

Geno >>>>> EVERY Paper Mario title :troll:
Well, looks like Wiggles thinks Paper Mario is lame looks like we can deconfirm him.

lol, it was ok but old school paper mario is DA BESSSSSSSSSSSSSSST! Huff n Puff, Cortez, Kooper nuff said.
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I think Paper Mario in general is pretty lame... in comparison to Super Mario RPG, in not only gameplay, but storyline and CHARACTERS LIKE GENO. :shades: Plus, the music was awesome.

Geno >>>>> EVERY Paper Mario title :troll:
Nobody cares Divine... nobody cares.
 

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too much stupid in the thread from most of this about Mario RPG's, ignoring the people and making my opinion eightfold because that's how much i've played the games.

Ive waited so long for a true paper mario entry, I hope that we get a true paper mario game for wii u, that would make my day especially with the crud you could use the pad for.
Thta would be GREAT as a finale for the writers. It's like how a few people worked on Chrono Cross before ultimately leaving the industry and just decided to leave. I would love that, especially if they had SPM/TTYD's soundtrack married with the imersive atmosphere of SMRPG, the gameplay of TTYD, and more I'd list. COME ON YOU GUYS CAN DO IT! PAPER MARIO 3!
 

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We're lucky to be getting one. He said we're getting less newcomers than before, so I sincerely doubt from the bottom of my heart that we'll have three newcomers coming from one series. Mario doesn't even necessarily need a newcomer, meaning we're lucky as it is to get one.

There's the chance that you're simply the better man than I, but I think you're often too optimistic in your predictions for your own good. All three Mario newcomers is a wet dream, not a prediction. I will write glorious poems of every damn person here on the thread if something as unlikely as that ever came true.
Oops I should have specified, I was talking about Jiggly, Lucario and Mewtwo lol.
 

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I think Paper Mario is

  • The most unique choice
  • Would be the most well recieved choice as a beloved fighter
  • a highly requested one
  • and the most logical one
Also we don't really need another villian or koopa even if he does have new moves, and while you can't deny Toad is likely, he does work pretty well as an Assist Trophy and part of peach.

Let's put it this way, if Paper Mario gets in, I might use PM MORE than regular Mario (AKA one of my mains in every Smash game)
 

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Honestly, Toad deserves a spot on the roster FAR MORE than Bowser Jr. or Paper Mario. This is a Mario character who's been there from the start, has been playable in SEVERAL Mario titles, from platformers like SB2 to NSMBWiiU, to spin-off titles like Party, Kart, and Tennis, has been not only a major and reoccurring character throughout the Mario universe but also among the most recognizable, has plenty of moveset options to choose from, and has a high amount of popularity, and plus would bring the Mario representation in Smash to completion, in terms of characters with importance. To have either Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario get in the game before Toad is the equivalent of getting Tingle or Ghirahim in before Zelda or Ganondorf. :rolleyes:
Toads not a unique character of his own though. Hes just like a common mushroom kingdom citizen. You can say almost all of those things about a koopa except instead of being playable, we would tac on villain representation.
Ghirahim, Zelda, Ganondorf, Tingle, Bowser jr. and Paper Mario are all their own character, not common NPC/enemy.
 

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too much stupid in the thread from most of this about Mario RPG's, ignoring the people and making my opinion eightfold because that's how much i've played the games.



Thta would be GREAT as a finale for the writers. It's like how a few people worked on Chrono Cross before ultimately leaving the industry and just decided to leave. I would love that, especially if they had SPM/TTYD's soundtrack married with the imersive atmosphere of SMRPG, the gameplay of TTYD, and more I'd list. COME ON YOU GUYS CAN DO IT! PAPER MARIO 3!
The original Paper Mario is one of my favorite games of all time, just one more of that awesomeness would make me happy. :sadeyes:
 

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Before I talk about your roster, since it seems you haven't been to this thread before you posted the roster. (which was very recent right?) it's a rather good thing you haven't been here before, you came at just the right time.
Did something happen? :O
My only problem with the roster is that you made ZSS a seperate character from Samus, and Sheik seperate from Zelda.
MonK4, that's actually a really good roster. The only immediate issues I can see with it are that Zero Suit shouldn't be a separate character on the roster list, and that Bayonette and Yoshimitsu have pretty much 0% chance. Apart from that, 8/10 could be better but mostly solid.
Hah, thanks, but just so it's clear, I wasn't trying to separate the two, or Zelda and Sheik for that matter, I simply wished to show them as distinct, and I think they will be combined in the actual game as well, plus, it makes the number of characters fit solidly into the rectangle. I was thinking about making a distinction in PKMN trainer, but the only thing I feel is certain or good is that he will return in some yet unknown capacity, for Mewtwo I was simply conflicted and left it at two forms to cover the bases.
Yes, I was thinking that Yoshimitsu was out of the question, but he is a placeholder for a Namco rep as well as himself, I feel if any Namco characters get in, it should be him, due to his appearance in pretty much everything Namco does cross games with, but yes, Bayonetta and Yoshimitsu are in my tentative cutting boat, but if ANY other 3rd parties get in, it should be those two, I have a strong dislike of Pac-man, part of my bias unfortunately :p
Well, you have Bayonetta which I doubt will happen and a character I don't even recognize. Who is Yoshimitsu, I've never even heard of it. Anna over Chrom isn't happening, I don't even know if Anna will even be considered. You need to bring back Toon Link and not make Sheik & ZS Samus separate characters. You should have a 5th Pokemon, you have 6 Third-Parties THAT'S not gonna happen, I don't see why we should have an Advance Wars character and I doubt we will. That's really all I can think of at the moment, maybe replace Black Shadow with Toad or Paper Mario.
Yes, I also doubt that many 3rd parties, but there was only 5 in the roster :p, here, I removed two for you.
Bayonetta and Yoshimitsu. Yoshimitsu is an original fighting game character (I know about the interview where Sakurai says fighter characters don't get priority/won't be in) that's been in Street Fighter, Soul Calibur, and principally Tekken. But do not discount Anna, and please add to your assertion the exact reason why she would not be considered, I can give just as many if not more potent reasons she should and would be considered. This is my prediction and emulation of if Sakurai was in a sound, intelligent, and reasoning state of mind at all times while still keeping his principal design philosophies, at least this is what I am attempting.

I'm gonna go ahead and say that F-Zero deserves a second rep before the Mario series deserves another, I think this because of historical significance. far more weighty than sales significance, Black Shadow is the man, and Sakurai's reluctance to add too many characters would prioritize these series over more heavily represented ones, that is Sakurai will prioritize unrepresented series before heavily represented ones, regardless of their weighty Nintendo expanse. If other minor series which are hard to distinguish historical importance from are getting reps in my roster (such as Layton or Custom Robo or Starfy series), you can darn tootin' bet I'm gonna give Advanced Wars a rep, though I do not think any character in particular.
Considering also Sakurai's pain to cut characters from one game to the next, he would opt out of removing Ike, a 'popular' lord (that's what they tell me!) with an already unique moveset. If there is any next Fire Emblem rep most deserving, then it is Anna. Come at me. Wooh, maybe 4 reps for Intelligent Systems is a lot, but hey, y'know?
In light of this, I wish to know why exactly why you think I should have a 5th Pokemon. (And there already is, look, Awakening Mewtwo! Not to mention PKMN Trainer and his possible 3 Pokemans.)



If I would consider adding ANYONE from the Mario series (which I do not believe will get another rep this time around), it will be Paper Mario OR Toad before Bowser Jr. If anyone from Zelda series, then Toon Link or Tingle, but I will not add any more than the four.
 

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Toads not a unique character of his own though. Hes just like a common mushroom kingdom citizen. You can say almost all of those things about a koopa except instead of being playable, we would tac on villain representation.
Ghirahim, Zelda, Ganondorf, Tingle, Bowser jr. and Paper Mario are all their own character, not common NPC/enemy.
In Japan, Toad IS actually a character of his own... in America, he is just simply one among many, whereas in Japan they make it clear who is the main Toad.
 

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Did something happen? :O



Hah, thanks, but just so it's clear, I wasn't trying to separate the two, or Zelda and Sheik for that matter, I simply wished to show them as distinct, and I think they will be combined in the actual game as well, plus, it makes the number of characters fit solidly into the rectangle.
Ahh.

Oh, and you'll see soon enough, now that Divine is back.

This thread has arguments that can be compared to the World Wars.
 

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The original Paper Mario is one of my favorite games of all time, just one more of that awesomeness would make me happy. :sadeyes:
YES! TTYD is my favorite game of all time. If it helps, one of the writers said they want to go back to the original combat system and whatnot but merge a few mechanics from the rest of the series. I think they're going in the right direction.
 

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Clearly, you do, because otherwise you wouldn't of typed it... if you didn't care, you would ignore it. Now, stop asking questions unrelated to the forums, and stop forcing other people into fights.

There's a thing called ignoring. Just ignore these types of comments that are "Off topic" and just move on. :facepalm:
 

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In Japan, Toad IS actually a character of his own... in America, he is just simply one among many, whereas in Japan they make it clear who is the main Toad.
I agree with this.
Clearly, you do, because otherwise you wouldn't of typed it... if you didn't care, you would ignore it. Now, stop asking questions unrelated to the forums, and stop forcing other people into fights.
I disagree with this.

I don't like your attitude, mister, but then again I don't like the attitude of those that prompted this response either.
 

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YES! TTYD is my favorite game of all time. If it helps, one of the writers said they want to go back to the original combat system and whatnot but merge a few mechanics from the rest of the series. I think they're going in the right direction.
What does this have to do with anything... Anyways, to think Paper Mario has a greater chance than Toad is crazy, but NOT BECAUSE Paper Mario is a bad decision, but BECAUSE Toad is higher in terms of priority. There is a totem pole to climb, and Toad is the closest to the top.
 

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Oops I should have specified, I was talking about Jiggly, Lucario and Mewtwo lol.
Ah. In that case, that definitely seems possible. My money is on Jiggs and Mewtwo, followed by Lucario if there's time for him. Hopefully they all get in.
 

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YES! TTYD is my favorite game of all time. If it helps, one of the writers said they want to go back to the original combat system and whatnot but merge a few mechanics from the rest of the series. I think they're going in the right direction.
good because even though i enjoyed SPM it really disappointed me, and I havent played sticker star yet but I heard you dont even level up right and its mechanics are also vastly different :(
 
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