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And I agree with you completely. The other reasons I stated however (iconic,recognition), gives it an advantage over Lucario, whose fame will not hold a candle to Jigglypuff's once it goes away.
How?
My point was that it didn't matter in the long run. Low priority doesn't mean a thing since Mewtwo is being openly considered, and aren't we doing the exact same thing to Lucario right about now?
Oh no, I totally agree, I think his moveset should be mostly from his own weapons in the games, I was just thinking of a slight nod to his role as their leader is all.
People have been saying Lucario would be a fad since Gen 4, look where we are now. Lucario is still here, still popular and still making advertisements. He's even in a much better position then Mewtwo was back for Brawl. Ironically, you're underestimating Lucario just as much as you're saying everyone else is underestimating Jigglypuff.
As far as I know Lucario is way more popular, promoted, and recurring.
Hmm.....the popular thing isnt true....atleast not in japan it isnt even though both are insanely popular there, everything else is true.
Yet Popularity isn't the only thing that gets a character in. Roy and Mewtwo were popular, and yet they were cut. Lucario still currently owns the "Flavor of the Month" Slot for Pokemon, meaning its still most likely to go. I'm not underestimating him, or saying he's a definite cut, but seeing him there and Jiggs not, just isn't likely. As I said before Mewtwo was is the same position before. So we can assume Mewtwo will be higher priority this time around and Jiggs won't? The reason probably weren't just time constraints. Brawl obviously pushed the Wii to its limit, and technical limitations could've prevented some character inclusions as well. Now that problem is non-existent. Ness being cut for Lucas at the time was an option because at that moment, Mother was an ongoing franchise, and Sakurai likely put it along with the likes of FE and Pokemon and assumed it was always be getting new characters. After Mother 3 was confirmed to be the last game by Itoi, this changed the fate of the franchise completely, which is also probably the reason why Lucas appeared alongside Ness in Brawl.
a pokemon that's been around since gen 4 is more recurring than one that's been around since gen 1?
You're probably right there.
I bet you die a little inside a lot of the time then.
I'd like to see them switch evolutions - I'd love to see Blastoise playable - but I fear it would be too much work for the developers. Although they're not so lazy as to simply port characters from the previous game, I do think they take a lot of inspiration and shortcuts from games before, making veterans far easier to program and balance than newcomers. With that in mind, it would just be so much easier to reprogram the three old Pokemon Trainer 'mon than to effectively create three new movesets for him, which could go either way. A shame really as I'd love a playable Blastoise... but a man can dream though, right?
Theres a "Flavor of the Month" slot? since when?
I feel like he and Ike share similar inclusions due recency being a one major factor is all. Twas' not my main point.
Do not get rid of my big flying salemander. D:<
Recency means nothing, every interview we've seen with Sakurai supports this conclusion.
I would like criticism and discussion, please.Greetings, what goes on in this thread?
I have a vague idea, and so hoping wish to show you all an image of my semi-realistic semi-idealist roster that is only part prediction and part bias, but I try to take Sakurai's values into account the most when considering the ideal, I admire his genius.
There are quite a few other characters I would have added, and still a few I would take out if I was going for more realistic or more idealist, and some I'd take out either way.
Some people I was considering adding but brought the hammer down on after comparison, research, and discussion: Kamek, nondescript 4th/5th Star Fox reps, nondescript 2nd Wario rep, Bandana Dee, Tingle, Bowser Jr., Toad, Waluigi, Daisy, nondescript 5th Pokemon rep, Simon Belmont, Phoenix Wright, Toon Link, Paper Mario.
Some I feel may be in that same boat as those listed previous: Snake, Custom Robo rep, Takamaru, Advanced Wars rep, R.O.B., Little Mac.
Representatives in which I feel like I am not well informed enough to remove, but have an idea they should be on the roster: Isaac, Shulk, Prof. Layton, Bayonetta, Starfy.
Any other possible characters I dismissed outright, thinking them neither "ideal" nor "likely" to my limited knowledge.
Each idea I have is to a degree, for example, to a degree I think R.O.B. or Little Mac is in that boat, but they are far more ideal/likely than the others in that list.
Therein is a tier list of sorts, where I cut characters at will shift, as well as their estimate. Honestly, in the end I have no idea what percentages are ideals, what amount of which consideration went into each character, but there were a multitude of factors weighed in instants I have yet to recover, and would discover through inquiry. So, I do not--perhaps cannot--wish to explain unless prompted to expound, whereupon I will gladly specify when specific questions be asked.
Ah, jeeze not you too.
Indeed a man can. I dream of day Plusle and Minun make into Smash. (but I'm not going into a P&M debate right now, just leaving that there)I'd like to see them switch evolutions - I'd love to see Blastoise playable - but I fear it would be too much work for the developers. Although they're not so lazy as to simply port characters from the previous game, I do think they take a lot of inspiration and shortcuts from games before, making veterans far easier to program and balance than newcomers. With that in mind, it would just be so much easier to reprogram the three old Pokemon Trainer 'mon than to effectively create three new movesets for him, which could go either way. A shame really as I'd love a playable Blastoise... but a man can dream though, right?
The more I hear "Flavor of the Month," the more I think it loses its meaning. Lucario doesn't own the "Flavor of the Month" spot, there was no such thing, it got a spot on the Brawl roster, that's it. Lucario has proven itself to be much more then that as it exist beyond its generation and has proven that time and time again. Lucario has more to him then popularity, he still has quite a bit of staying power and may actually soon match the Kanto Pokemon in that aspect.
Before I talk about your roster, since it seems you haven't been to this thread before you posted the roster. (which was very recent right?) it's a rather good thing you haven't been here before, you came at just the right time.Recency means nothing, every interview we've seen with Sakurai supports this conclusion.
Anyways.
Nobody commented on my roster
I would like criticism and discussion, please.
I know it wasnt but useing that flavor of the month likely to be cut is a bunch of crap to be honest seeing as neither Ike and especially Lucario have not fit that criteria for about 6 years now.
The disk had to be dual layered and there was a common problem among players where this malfunctioned, and the game just wouldn't play. The Wii did not house much power at all
Does it? Its certainly ins't a deciding point, but its definitely one of the variables.
Well, you have Bayonetta which I doubt will happen and a character I don't even recognize. Who is Yoshimitsu, I've never even heard of it. Anna over Chrom isn't happening, I don't even know if Anna will even be considered. You need to bring back Toon Link and not make Sheik & ZS Samus separate characters. You should have a 5th Pokemon, you have 6 Third-Parties THAT'S not gonna happen, I don't see why we should have an Advance Wars character and I doubt we will. That's really all I can think of at the moment, maybe replace Black Shadow with Toad or Paper Mario.
I know this more than most - I got Brawl on the European release date and only got to play it about 6 times before it stopped working in my Wii (due to being a release batch Wii). These days I play Brawl via Homebrew since Ninty doesn't let me play it legitimately.
The disk wasn't dual layered becasue Wii wasn't strong enough to hand Brawl. Brawl was dual layered because the developers got lazy with it, there is no denying this. The game had horrible compression which was a big part of why SSE took up as much space as it did. Also a regular Wii disc (not the Wii itself) wasn't able to hold what Brawl had so they had to dual layer it and give it room of up to 8GBs, but this was mostly due to how the people who made Brawl handled the game. It had nothing to do with the Wii itself.
My only problem with the roster is that you made ZSS a seperate character from Samus, and Sheik seperate from Zelda.Recency means nothing, every interview we've seen with Sakurai supports this conclusion.
Anyways.
Nobody commented on my roster
I would like criticism and discussion, please.
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Yes, I was saying without that, it leaves much more room for characters, but contradicts the statement of him saying that he'll be limiting the newcomers. What's he doing with all the extra space? We technically can have both. There's probably something under wraps presumably?
Jr.s moveset is easily unique based on the stuff he uses in game and his shadow mario form, imo he is the most likely as he is a main villian now, toad would have happened already imo if he was coming, and paper mario is a spin off character so I dont expect him over a main character.
That is not a factor in the decision of Paper Mario AT ALL. It's hardly even a spin-off game let alone a spin off character. He's still Mario. Also Paper Mario is WAY more unique than Bowser Jr and we already have a main villian as well as a Koopa.
I remember in an interview when asked about what goes into making a roster, one thing he said what that he looks for whats hot.
If anything, I expect think Paper Mario would represent the Paper Mario series. (they didn't do that for Doc and his series, but I would expect it for Paper Mario if he gets in along with either Toad or Jr.)
