Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Opossum]

Bottom line is this... the truth of the matter is that Goku the Monkey should not even be considered a roster prediction, because of all the legal trouble and media hysteria that Sakurai and Nintendo would want to avoid. Again though, its all theoretical. As I've said, there are better roster predictions, anyways. I don't see what Goku the Monkey brings to the table other than being a potential semi-clone of Diddy Kong.

But we're saying that those legal issues don't exist. Nintendo owns their version of Goku from Journey to the West, so they have every right to put him in the game. Shonen Jump has no barring on this.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Derp

Really? You don't get it? That's Sonson, a character created by Capcom in the early eighties and is just as old, if not older, than DB Goku. They're based on the same character, and although this redesign was only used in MVC2, the old arcade games still exists. If the Sonson game was based off of the same character DBZ Goku is, Capcom should then be able to sue Shonen for using a character they used first. Also, Sakurai saying "Goku is in Smash Bros" would not even be close to a reference to DBZ, it's the ******** fanboys that would be gullible enough to assume so.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Bottom line is this... the truth of the matter is that Goku the Monkey should not even be considered a roster prediction, because of all the legal trouble and media hysteria that Sakurai and Nintendo would want to avoid. Again though, its all theoretical. As I've said, there are better roster predictions, anyways. I don't see what Goku the Monkey brings to the table other than being a potential semi-clone of Diddy Kong.

There are other reasons why he's not going to be playable unrelated to legal issues.

Also. Being a monkey = Clone of Kong? I don't think Goku owns Peanut PopGuns or Barrel Rockets.

 

[N3ON]

DivineDeity, you do know the use of Hades is public domain right? Unless Disney feels someone is infringing on their particular version of Hades, which Sakurai clearly didn't, they have no case. For that matter, Son Goku is also public domain, and basing derivative characters on said character, including the name, unless they infringe upon each other, are also fair use. Jump would have no case against Nintendo, not that they'd even attempt to start any kind of legal action against them.

If Lindsay Lohan successfully sued against use of her name, there were clearly extenuating circumstances, and it is the exception, not the standard procedure, as on paper there is nothing wrong with a company calling themselves Lindsay, Lindsay Lohan doesn't own exclusive rights to her first name.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Really? You don't get it? That's Sonson, a character created by Capcom in the early eighties and is just as old, if not older, than DB Goku. They're based on the same character, and although this redesign was only used in MVC2, the old arcade games still exists. If the Sonson game was based off of the same character DBZ Goku is, Capcom should then be able to sue Shonen for using a character they used first. Also, Sakurai saying "Goku is in Smash Bros" would not even be close to a reference to DBZ, it's the ******** fanboys that would be gullible enough to assume so.

Show more respect around here...

 

[kingmario92]

What's funny is that Sakuai's rendition of said character is probably the best one ever made.

Heck yeah, I completely agree. Hades is probably my favorite video game villain ever.

The beauty of watching others fail in their logic to explain why mine doesn't ..... Just because they can still sue, it doesn't mean they will necessarily win. But still, Sakurai and Nintendo would not want to be involved in such a mess, hence why Goku the Monkey shouldn't even be CONSIDERED as a roster prediction.

No, your logic is the one failing. Goku the Monkey can't get in because of Goku from DBZ? I'm sorry, your logic is even more fail. Two or more characters can share the same name, and no one will blink an eye. Ezio Auditore (from Assassin's Creed 2) has an uncle named Mario, and even references Nintendo's Mario by saying to Ezio "It's-a me, Mario!" Did Nintendo get on Ubisoft for that? No. It's just a funny homage to that Mario. Why you would bring up DBZ in this discussion thread I may never know, nor do I care.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Bottom line is this... the truth of the matter is that Goku the Monkey should not even be considered a roster prediction, because of all the legal trouble and media hysteria that Sakurai and Nintendo would want to avoid. Again though, its all theoretical. As I've said, there are better roster predictions, anyways. I don't see what Goku the Monkey brings to the table other than being a potential semi-clone of Diddy Kong.

I don't recall anyone mentioning it was a prediction.


And have you really started an argument over Goku being a troll reveal by Sakurai?

Again, don't know how to respond to that...

 

[TheLastJinjo]

You brought it up... not me.

 

[Arcanir]

Bottom line is this... the truth of the matter is that Goku the Monkey should not even be considered a roster prediction, because of all the legal trouble and media hysteria that Sakurai and Nintendo would want to avoid. Again though, its all theoretical. As I've said, there are better roster predictions, anyways. I don't see what Goku the Monkey brings to the table other than being a potential semi-clone of Diddy Kong.

Except there's no legal troubles, Son Goku is a public domain character meaning that anything can have that character and many have made their own interpretations of it (Pokémon, Digimon, other mangas, DBZ, etc.). Same thing with characters like those from Greek Mythology (Note how Wonder Woman and Percy Jackson has those gods as well as God of War and there's no legal complications). If Sakurai wanted, he's completely within the rights to do it because there's nothing legal preventing him from doing so as Nintendo made their own interpretation of the character that can be used.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

What I said was the DBZ and Shonen could sue for CHARACTER DAMAGES if their products is mocked in the way of Sakurai and Nintendo falsely promoting their competition's product... only to swerve and actually reveal its their product (Goku the Monkey) and no the other one (DBZ Goku). But fine, this is going nowhere apparently, so if there is any other topic we'd like to bring up, bring it up now.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Show more respect around here...

That's quite ironic coming from you.

I don't recall anyone mentioning it was a prediction.


And have you really started an argument over Goku being a troll reveal by Sakurai?

Again, don't know how to respond to that...

I just said it would be a pretty funny joke, but he does look like an interesting character. Sure, he has no chance, but if he was added I wouldn't be complaining about it.

Can I use your other hand? I need an assistant facepalm right about now.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

I don't recall anyone mentioning it was a prediction.


And have you really started an argument over Goku being a troll reveal by Sakurai?

Again, don't know how to respond to that...

There are people who are actually not only predicting, but actively promoting Goku the Monkey as a playable character... see Hotfeet...

 

[Opossum]

What I said was the DBZ and Shonen could sue for CHARACTER DAMAGES if their products is mocked in the way of Sakurai and Nintendo falsely promoting their competition's product... only to swerve and actually reveal its their product (Goku the Monkey) and no the other one (DBZ Goku). But fine, this is going nowhere apparently, so if there is any other topic we'd like to bring up, bring it up now.

But that's the thing. If Sakurai said, "Here's Goku!", he wouldn't be promoting DBZ's Goku, as Shonen Jump does not own the rights to the name Goku, only their version of him. They'd have no case for "character damages."

 

[TheDivineDeity]

That's quite ironic coming from you.

Doesn't change the fact you personally attacked other people (including me) by calling us an offensive, reportable term.

 

[CalumG]

DivineDeity and SaturnGamer going toe to toe... it gets me every time. xD

In all seriousness, I've never really looked into the idea of a Yuyuki character before, but if you think about it, it'd definitely be a 'wtf character' in the most traditional sense possible - a retro character that nobody considered fit for revival. Granted, there's been a precedent set for it now, but back in the Melee days, the inclusion of Ice Climbers was a legitimate surprise and it'd be nice to see something on that kind of level again... even if it is but a pipe dream.

Plus, again, Nimbus cloud. Bonus points if the Nimbus cloud can be taken and used by other characters like a Lakitu cloud in Mario.

 

[Arcanir]

What I said was the DBZ and Shonen could sue for CHARACTER DAMAGES if their products is mocked in the way of Sakurai and Nintendo falsely promoting their competition's product... only to swerve and actually reveal its their product (Goku the Monkey) and no the other one (DBZ Goku). But fine, this is going nowhere apparently, so if there is any other topic we'd like to bring up, bring it up now.

Character Damage? If any character gets damaged it would be Nintendo's and Bandai/Toei wouldn't give a ****, they don't care if another company has their version of Son Goku in the game, it doesn't affect them at all.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Show more respect around here...

You've bashed people just because they're gay, and YOU are asking for respect?

Ugh, that's enough. I'm leaving this pic here and that's it. I'm outta here before this argument turns into something focusing on Divine himself.

 

[Bajef8]

Is this discussion seriously happening right now? What was the discussion before this pointless rant?

 

[YoshiandToad]

What I said was the DBZ and Shonen could sue for CHARACTER DAMAGES if their products is mocked in the way of Sakurai and Nintendo falsely promoting their competition's product... only to swerve and actually reveal its their product (Goku the Monkey) and no the other one (DBZ Goku). But fine, this is going nowhere apparently, so if there is any other topic we'd like to bring up, bring it up now.

I do understand what you're saying here, but the legal case wouldn't go anywhere. Because unless Nintendo stated it was Son Goku from DBZ, that's just people's stupidity filling in the blanks and no copyright infringement or actual mockery has occured. Just people's silly fan dreams getting crushed.

Also I don't think Toriyama could be bothered with pursuing a case like this seeing as how he borrowed the name and inspiration for early Dragonball from Journey to The West itself. He'd know they weren't referring to HIS Goku.

Is this discussion seriously happening right now? What was the discussion before this pointless rant?

Axes in Fire Emblem. It didn't go anywhere. Now we're on the legal system for ye olde books. SMASH BOARDS!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Is this discussion seriously happening right now? What was the discussion before this pointless rant?

Mega Evolutions...................ALL DAAY!!!

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Here's a question I will propose then - suppose all the legal troubles of getting Goku the Monkey are settled and he actually becomes a viable candidate for Smash, would he or would he not be a character that's well-received by the community? What could Goku the Monkey bring to the table as a character? EDIT: Who is Toriyama?

 

[SuperBrawler]

Plus, again, Nimbus cloud. Bonus points if the Nimbus cloud can be taken and used by other characters like a Lakitu cloud in Mario.

Or like Wario Waft

 

[Hotfeet444]

Is this discussion seriously happening right now? What was the discussion before this pointless rant?

The joke of using Goku from YuYakumi as a playable character to send all the DBZ speculators into a jimmie-rustled rage.

Doesn't change the fact you personally attacked other people (including me) by calling us an offensive, reportable term.

Oh quit your whining already. If I wanted to actually attack you, I'd do so. If you think me using one term is that big of an insult, I think you need to leave, because we're not always going to be holding your hand in harmony throughout the entire speculation period. Also, I'm not a fan of the anime, problem? Don't care.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Alright, solution.

Rename Goku to Sun Wukong.

No happy sue time.

Can we just agree and move on? This subject is making me loss brain cells.

 

[3Bismyname]

here's the case i think DD is trying to make.
If Smash bros tried to advertise Goku as having any reference to DBZ Nintendo could get sued. that much we all agree is possible. however thats not the case here. Shonen wouldnt have a case unless they actually made some form of mention to DBZ. otherwise they have literally no case. the characters are both based on one story that is free domain. Shonen doesn't own the rights to Journey To The West. if they did then i can think of tons of cases where they should be making some serious money. no one can claim ownership on ancient mythology.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Alright, solution.

Rename Goku to Sun Wukong.

No happy sue time.

Can we just agree and move on? This subject is making me loss brain cells.

And the continuous talk of Mega Evolutions doesn't?

 

[TheDivineDeity]

DivineDeity and SaturnGamer going toe to toe... it gets me every time. xD

In all seriousness, I've never really looked into the idea of a Yuyuki character before, but if you think about it, it'd definitely be a 'wtf character' in the most traditional sense possible - a retro character that nobody considered fit for revival. Granted, there's been a precedent set for it now, but back in the Melee days, the inclusion of Ice Climbers was a legitimate surprise and it'd be nice to see something on that kind of level again... even if it is but a pipe dream.

Plus, again, Nimbus cloud. Bonus points if the Nimbus cloud can be taken and used by other characters like a Lakitu cloud in Mario.

Even though it's unlikely, Goku the Monkey can potentially work with a unique moveset without being a semi-clone of Diddy or Dixie Kong. The Nimbus Cloud and staff is an interesting element, I must say.

 

[CalumG]

inb4 give Goku a MegaEvolution where his hair goes yellow

 

[3Bismyname]

Here's a question I will propose then - suppose all the legal troubles of getting Goku the Monkey are settled and he actually becomes a viable candidate for Smash, would he or would he not be a character that's well-received by the community? What could Goku the Monkey bring to the table as a character? EDIT: Who is Toriyama?

Toriyama created Dragonball

and yes i believe he could be well recieved. hell characters like Ice Climbers, ROB and G&W are pretty well recieved. it all depends on what he does really. having a staff already makes him different from all the characters that have been in smash thus far

 

[Opossum]

Here's a question I will propose then - suppose all the legal troubles of getting Goku the Monkey are settled and he actually becomes a viable candidate for Smash

Lost me there. There are no legal troubles to begin with, and he's viable solely because he's Nintendo-owned.

Anyway, to change the subject, Fire Emblem and Pokemon are two of the toughest series to speculate, and often cause wars.

What would be the backlash if the newcomers added to each were Tiki and Snorlax, respectively?

 

[CalumG]

What would be the backlash if the newcomers added to each were Tiki and Snorlax, respectively?

Snorlax is too big for Smash, bro.

 

[Autumn ♫]

DBZ talk? This is my time to shine!

 

[3Bismyname]

Lost me there. There are no legal troubles to begin with, and he's viable solely because he's Nintendo-owned.

Anyway, to change the subject, Fire Emblem and Pokemon are two of the toughest series to speculate, and often cause wars.

What would be the backlash if the newcomers added to each were Tiki and Snorlax, respectively?

personally i care nothing about Fire Emblem so whoever they add is fine.
BUT SNORLAX IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE POKEMON SO IM ALL FOR IT

 

[Arcanir]

What would be the backlash if the newcomers added to each were Tiki and Snorlax, respectively?

Tiki could probably get by, she's in five games, decently liked and represents Awakening along with Marth's games (and can represents the recurring manaketes). Snorlax would have more trouble, especially if he got in over Mewtwo. Could you imagine that backlash?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Lost me there. There are no legal troubles to begin with, and he's viable solely because he's Nintendo-owned.

Anyway, to change the subject, Fire Emblem and Pokemon are two of the toughest series to speculate, and often cause wars.

What would be the backlash if the newcomers added to each were Tiki and Snorlax, respectively?

People would be debating whether Snorlax's D-Special would be better than Bowser's Bowser Bomb or not.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

The joke of using Goku from YuYakumi as a playable character to send all the DBZ speculators into a jimmie-rustled rage.

Yet... it is YOU whose jimmies are rustled (whatever that means)... because clearly you take extreme offense to anything I say or any ideas I propose. You're the one offended, it seems, which is never my intent, but somehow you always do get offended. If you have, then I apologize.

Oh quit your whining already. If I wanted to actually attack you, I'd do so. If you think me using one term is that big of an insult, I think you need to leave, because we're not always going to be holding your hand in harmony throughout the entire speculation period. Also, I'm not a fan of the anime, problem? Don't care.

And yet... you have always attacked me in the past. This wasn't the first time you lost an argument to me and decided, instead of actually giving a logical discussion of arguments defending your propositions, you instead attack others with personal insults, because somehow it makes you feel better. So, show some respect, and you will also get respect. That's how it works. Don't go around calling people '*******', especially if someone on these forums actually has a '******' for a friend or relative. It's offensive and unfair, and makes you look cruel.

 

[Khoru]

argumentum ad hominem

i think tiki would be pretty cool. anna would be cooler though

 

[TheDivineDeity]

I honestly couldn't give a damn about Fire Emblem representation (sorry butt-hurt Fire Emblem fans), but I do believe Pokemon could use another newcomer. No, I'm not just talking about Mewtwo, because I also want it badly, but I feel we need another one with Mewtwo. It would feel strange if Pokemon gets no newcomer, and with Mewtwo obviously returning, I feel we need another rep just to add a new feel to the Pokemon representation in the Smashverse.

Perhaps Genesect (although unlikely), or Zoroark would work, and for Fire Emblem, just add Marth, Ike, and Roy, and end it there (or just remove the series altogether, for something like the Tales series or Xenoblade... although it's highly unlikely).

 

[Hotfeet444]

And yet... you have always attacked me in the past. This wasn't the first time you lost an argument to me and decided, instead of actually giving a logical discussion of arguments defending your propositions, you instead attack others with personal insults, because somehow it makes you feel better. So, show some respect, and you will also get respect. That's how it works. Don't go around calling people '*******', especially if someone on these forums actually has a '******' for a friend or relative. It's offensive and unfair, and makes you look cruel.

I have never lost an argument to you and I certainly don't plan to start anytime soon. And also, why would I want respect from a Bible-loving, gay-bashing, irony-loving bigot like yourself? How about YOU show respect to others, and maybe I'll even consider you a human? Kay? Kay, glad we got that sorted out.And I am Cruel, I'm cruel to people like yourself who start ****, pour fuel on the fire, and then run away when it gets too heated like a coward. If there's one thing I hate in this world, it's a coward.

Edit: It's times like this I wish that there was a dislike feature...

 

[YoshiandToad]

Sign me up for some Snorlax in Smash. His down B Body Slam attack would trump both Yoshi AND Bowser's respective bomb attacks.

No idea who Tiki is. I thought that was a Donkey Kong thing for a moment there.

If there's one thing I hate in this world, it's a coward.

Poor Luigi.