Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Autumn ♫]

I think that Lucario should probably stay as he is still highly promoted and seems like he'll stay that way for a while.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Wait, what's wrong with overrepping Pokemon? Technically speaking, if you included P.T.'s transformation, there'd be 6 playable pokemons in Brawl already.

If we cut Red and keep Charizard, is there any prob with that?

That doesn't apply for the select screen roster. Pokemon Trainer counts as 1 character or so do Sheik & Zero Suit Samus.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Wait, what's wrong with overrepping Pokemon? Technically speaking, if you included P.T.'s transformation, there'd be 6 playable pokemons in Brawl already.

If we cut Red and keep Charizard, is there any prob with that?

Why would we cut Red if he represents both the playable character and the Elite 4, along with being in every generation and having some of the most iconic Pokemon?

 

[Salty the SLUG]

Which is what I like about Super Smash Bros., it's got a good sense of both old and new. It's not lopsided to either, and generally focuses on both sides to create a sense of satisfaction for both old and new fans of the varies franchises presented. Honestly, if we focused too much on what was recent, we'd get something like Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale.

Nintendo had good cards, and knew how to reel people in. Mean while, the Xbox-Play Station wars raged on, making release after release, not even caring if it stuck in the minds of the consumers and children receiving the product. Nintendo had friendly, memorable characters, while the other companies had mostly Human-like characters; to which we don't need as much imagination thinking of.

Why would we cut Red if he represents both the playable character and the Elite 4, along with being in every generation and having some of the most iconic Pokemon?

I'd say we keep Charizard and upgrade the Trainer to Gen II.

 

[Swift Fox]

That doesn't apply for the select screen roster. Pokemon Trainer counts as 1 character or so do Sheik & Zero Suit Samus.

It does in other ways. Roster=/=rep and it gives more development time for transformation characters.

Why would we cut Red if he represents both the playable character and the Elite 4, along with being in every generation and having some of the most iconic Pokemon?

Haha true...

 

[Gune]

That doesn't apply for the select screen roster. Pokemon Trainer counts as 1 character or so do Sheik & Zero Suit Samus.

Wait were counting reps by slots? Since when?

 

[Salty the SLUG]

I personally don't think that will carry on forever. And it certainly shouldn't be the sole reason of keeping a character. ESPECIALLY not a Pokemon Character.

What is wrong with Jigglypuff? She was quite strong in Melee, but was nerfed in Brawl.

 

[shinhed-echi]

So back to same ole Pokemon talk... Who's leaving, who's staying. Who's replacing Lucario, who's replacing Jigglypuff.
REALLY wishful thinking that Pokemon Trainer is a multi-gen, or a 3rd gen this time, Newtwo vs Genesect, bla bla bla.

But Pilotwings character suggestion, automatic lolnope. I hope he makes it in so that some people will just have to deal with it and put it on their rosters against their will. XD

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Anyway... I dare anyone to make a bold roster with more unorthodox choices. Backed up by good, convincing reasons would be a nice detail.
That will at least give something slightly different to talk about.

 

[Opossum]

That doesn't apply for the select screen roster. Pokemon Trainer counts as 1 character or so do Sheik & Zero Suit Samus.

Not according to Sakurai, since he's been on record saying that Brawl had 39 characters, not 35. Each of those Pokemon still takes the full development time of one character.

 

[AEMehr]

And Mewtwo has proved more deserving than Lucario.

You're comparing the wrong Pokemon, Mewtwo and Lucario were originally suppose to coexist in Brawl.
So I ask you, what makes Genesect more deserving than Lucario? I so no real reason other than relevance and your personal bias towards the character to see it in your roster. Try listening to your own signature here Saturn,
"It's a crossover between Nintendo's greatest! Not Nintendo's latest!"

Should use characters because they are popular All-Stars, not Popular Smash Veterans. How is Jigglypuff an All-Star over Eevee?

Your acting like Eevee was in Smash Brothers and that Jigglypuff would be replacing it. What's the point with replacing Jigglypuff if you're trying to please an audience that wants new Pokemon characters while you disappoint the previous audience that liked the character you previously had? It's literally just what happened with Mewtwo, but you're deliberately saying that nobody cares about Jigglypuff so why bother with it in the first place. and you're very wrong about that.
Sure Eevee would be an interesting idea, but do you really think that Sakurai would consider any other first Generation Pokemon before Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokemon Trainer (Including Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard), Mewtwo, and potentially Meowth (The only one that's never been playable in Smash Brothers that continues to be relevant).
What gives Eevee any more recognition than them considering how Pokemon characters are decided?

 

[Salty the SLUG]

So back to same ole Pokemon talk... Who's leaving, who's staying. Who's replacing Lucario, who's replacing Jigglypuff.
REALLY wishful thinking that Pokemon Trainer is a multi-gen, or a 3rd gen this time, Newtwo vs Genesect, bla bla bla.

But Pilotwings character suggestion, automatic lolnope. I hope he makes it in so that some people will just have to deal with it and put it on their rosters against their will. XD

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Anyway... I dare anyone to make a bold roster with more unorthodox choices. Backed up by good, convincing reasons would be a nice detail.
That will at least give something slightly different to talk about.

Answering:
1. Jiggly ain't go no wah -mmmHhm.
2. Lucario will most likely be replaced by a 6th gen pokemon or "mewthree"/mewtwo
3. Genesect? By the time this game comes out, the 6th gen will be in full bloom.

Honestly, the 5th gen was like waking up from a bad hangover (JK).

 

[Hotfeet444]

Which is what I like about Super Smash Bros., it's got a good sense of both old and new. It's not lopsided to either, and generally focuses on both sides to create a sense of satisfaction for both old and new fans of the varies franchises presented. Honestly, if we focused too much on what was recent, we'd get something like Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale.

I'm sure that no matter how much is focused on what's recent, we'll never get something like Playstation All-Stars. PSA got the Smash Bros style backwards, Smash Bros is a game to bring together the greatest characters in Nintendo history which equals great media representation of old IPs like Ice Climbers, Kid Icarus, and hopefully to be the Secret Murasame Castle. PSABR on the other hand is all about marketing for future titles, not caring about what made said characters great and only caring about how much money they can get out of the title before people realize it's a marketing scam. It wasn't an all-star battle, it was an all-star promotion. I mean seriously, Raiden over Snake, New Dante over Old Dante before the new DmC even released, a Big Daddy character that not only represents the older titles while trying to rep the new one (Which is freaking stupid), but is actually much more critically acclaimed on Xbox than that of Playstation, and much more flawed choices in roster picks. The only character that didn't feel like that of a marketing scam was Sir Daniel Fortesque, it was a character many hadn't heard of and introduced people to his series, and to be honest...that's probably the only good thing to come out of that game.

The point I'm trying to make is that even if it focuses on what's recent, say like Pikachu's new design, Link's brand new all-encompassing look, Olimar's new look and more, they focus on what made said character great rather than basing it all on recent games in the franchise. Mario still uses F.L.U.D.D., Pikachu uses a move it couldn't learn after first generation, Olimar uses the Pikmin that are more akin to his own adventures rather than the new one, MegaMan using all the classic NES robot master weapons, it's all about what made the character great. Can't say the same for PSABR though, the only character I can truly say that about is Sly Cooper, and that's one out of twenty.

 

[Salty the SLUG]

I'm sure that no matter how much is focused on what's recent, we'll never get something like Playstation All-Stars. PSA got the Smash Bros style backwards, Smash Bros is a game to bring together the greatest characters in Nintendo history which equals great media representation of old IPs like Ice Climbers, Kid Icarus, and hopefully to be the Secret Murasame Castle. PSABR on the other hand is all about marketing for future titles, not caring about what made said characters great and only caring about how much money they can get out of the title before people realize it's a marketing scam. It wasn't an all-star battle, it was an all-star promotion. I mean seriously, Raiden over Snake, New Dante over Old Dante before the new DmC even released, a Big Daddy character that not only represents the older titles while trying to rep the new one (Which is freaking stupid), but is actually much more critically acclaimed on Xbox than that of Playstation, and much more flawed choices in roster picks. The only character that didn't feel like that of a marketing scam was Sir Daniel Fortesque, it was a character many hadn't heard of and introduced people to his series, and to be honest...that's probably the only good thing to come out of that game.

The point I'm trying to make is that even if it focuses on what's recent, say like Pikachu's new design, Link's brand new all-encompassing look, Olimar's new look and more, they focus on what made said character great rather than basing it all on recent games in the franchise. Mario still uses F.L.U.D.D., Pikachu uses a move it couldn't learn after first generation, Olimar uses the Pikmin that are more akin to his own adventures rather than the new one, MegaMan using all the classic NES robot master weapons, it's all about what made the character great. Can't say the same for PSABR though, the only character I can truly say that about is Sly Cooper, and that's one out of twenty.

When the game came out, one of my friends bought it to test it out, to which he invited me over to play with him. After about two hours, we were bored to tears. After playing it that afternoon, my friend returned it.
What I like to think happened in my head:
*Playing the game*
Me: "Fun? Fun? Where'd you go, Fun?"
Fun: I-I can't take it anymore! *bang*

 

[Arcanir]

Answering:
1. Jiggly ain't go no wah -mmmHhm.
2. Lucario will most likely be replaced by a 6th gen pokemon or "mewthree"/mewtwo
3. Genesect? By the time this game comes out, the 6th gen will be in full bloom.

Honestly, the 5th gen was like waking up from a bad hangover (JK).

"Most likely?" No, there's a chance no doubt that maybe it could but I don't think it'll be because of Mewtwo or whatever 6th gen rep.

I do have to ask this though: Why push for "generic 6th gen rep" instead of any of the other Pokémon reps? Right now at least, all of the veterans beat out the newly revealed Pokémon in every aspect in getting into SSB so why replace any of them with potential reps that may or may not catch on?

 

[Salty the SLUG]

"Most likely?" No, there's a chance no doubt that maybe it could but I don't think it'll be because of Mewtwo or whatever 6th gen rep.

I do have to ask this though: Why push for "generic 6th gen rep" instead of any of the other Pokémon reps? Right now at least, all of the veterans beat out the newly revealed Pokémon in every aspect in getting into SSB so why replace any of them with potential reps that may or may not catch on?

"generic 6th gen rep"? I don't mean to be rude, but you sound aggravated. The reason why I brought up the 6th gen was because Lucario replaced Mewtwo most likely because the 4th gen was released almost a year before. So I am guessing the same scenario will happen again.

 

[Hotfeet444]

"generic 6th gen rep"? I don't mean to be rude, but you sound aggravated. The reason why I brought up the 6th gen was because Lucario replaced Mewtwo most likely because the 4th gen was released almost a year before. So I am guessing the same scenario will happen again.

Mewtwo was not replaced by Lucario.

 

[Autumn ♫]

"generic 6th gen rep"? I don't mean to be rude, but you sound aggravated. The reason why I brought up the 6th gen was because Lucario replaced Mewtwo most likely because the 4th gen was released almost a year before. So I am guessing the same scenario will happen again.

but Lucario didn't replace Mewtwo...

 

[Salty the SLUG]

but Lucario didn't replace Mewtwo...

How do you know?

 

[Autumn ♫]

because they didn't represent the same thing and were supposed to be in Brawl together. Lucario actually replaced Pichu.

 

[N3ON]

The only character that "replaced" another was Toon Link, who replaced Young Link. Anything else is just a case of one character getting in while another didn't, whether they were planned or not.

 

[shinhed-echi]

To be fair... It's not like Lucario's moveset is SPECTACULAR.
For a Pokemon it was... kind of underwhelming to be honest...

I mean if he comes back, I hope he gets more interesting moves. That... and he's FIGHTING type, so he's a FIGHTER, like Sakurai apparently wants to avoid now.

...(obviously joking)

Mewtwo's moveset was fun, but it felt like all of the things that should have worked, didn't.
Ivysaur was kind of underwhelming, so I hope he comes back packed with Status conditioning moves.
Squirtle had a pretty nice moveset.
Charizard is very fun to play for me, but should have had more jumps.
Pikachu is ok, his moveset was always incredibly fun.
Jigglypuff is the most fun pokemon to use for me. I don't main him, but I use him for fun.
Pichu... eh... guess he was fun for people who liked to victory-troll.

 

[Salty the SLUG]

because they didn't represent the same thing and were supposed to be in Brawl together. Lucario actually replaced Pichu.

What do you mean? Lucario and Mewtwo have similar move-sets, with lucario being more physically gifted. The charge B is relatively the same. However I do see you what you mean. But there were two pokemon replaced for a better, more recent character/Pokemon.

To be fair... It's not like Lucario's moveset is SPECTACULAR.
For a Pokemon it was... kind of underwhelming to be honest...

I mean if he comes back, I hope he gets more interesting moves. That... and he's FIGHTING type, so he's a FIGHTER, like Sakurai apparently wants to avoid now.
...(obviously joking)
Mewtwo's moveset was fun, but it felt like all of the things that should have worked, didn't.
Ivysaur was kind of underwhelming, so I hope he comes back packed with Status conditioning moves.
Squirtle had a pretty nice moveset.
Charizard is very fun to play for me, but should have had more jumps.
Pikachu is ok, his moveset was always incredibly fun.
Jigglypuff is the most fun pokemon to use for me. I don't main him, but I use him for fun.
Pichu... eh... guess he was fun for people who liked to victory-troll.

Atleast he's not another sword character.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

To be fair... It's not like Lucario's moveset is SPECTACULAR.
For a Pokemon it was... kind of underwhelming to be honest...

I mean if he comes back, I hope he gets more interesting moves. That... and he's FIGHTING type, so he's a FIGHTER, like Sakurai apparently wants to avoid now.

...(obviously joking)

Mewtwo's moveset was fun, but it felt like all of the things that should have worked, didn't.
Ivysaur was kind of underwhelming, so I hope he comes back packed with Status conditioning moves.
Squirtle had a pretty nice moveset.
Charizard is very fun to play for me, but should have had more jumps.
Pikachu is ok, his moveset was always incredibly fun.
Jigglypuff is the most fun pokemon to use for me. I don't main him, but I use him for fun.
Pichu... eh... guess he was fun for people who liked to victory-troll.

I agree with everything here except Ivysaur and Jigglypuff. I thought Ivysaur and Charizard are the most fun, in my opinion but Jigglypuff comes pretty close. Also, why would you refer to Jigglypuff as a he?

And Lucario's moveset was pretty bland, most of his moves were just him blasting aura in different directions with very little difference in effect. And his specials were pretty disappointing as well.

 

[Deleted member]

K, due to feedback Evee will be cut from the roster and remain in my "Biggest Predicitons List"

However, should I cut JigglyPuff instead of Lucario? Or should JigglyPuff stay do to a more unique move set and being a fairy Pokemon?

Keep Lucario.
Regardless of Jigglypuff being part of the "Original 12", she was a low-priority character in Brawl likely due to lack of promotion, taking what Sakurai said about Pokémon characters into account.
Lucario is still getting promoted and is one of the most notable Pokémon that isn't part of the original generation.

If it came down to cutting Jigglypuff or Lucario, the choice is very likely to be to cut Jigglypuff as sad as it may be to some.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Atleast he's not another sword character.

Yeah... which reminds me... I think I know who will represent Gen 6.

Because when there are enough swordsmen, swords can still fight for themselves.

 

[Deleted member]

Anyway... I dare anyone to make a bold roster with more unorthodox choices. Backed up by good, convincing reasons would be a nice detail.

Challenge accepted.

In fact, I already planned on doing such.

 

[Salty the SLUG]

Yeah... which reminds me... I think I know who will represent Gen 6.

Because when there are enough swordsmen, swords can still fight for themselves.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

[Sebz]

Oh man I just found out there's gonna be a Nintendo Direct tomorrow!
Character reveal, yea or nay?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Oh man I just found out there's gonna be a Nintendo Direct tomorrow!
Character reveal, yea or nay?

I've heard it will only feature games planned to release this year.

I'm not sure if it's true though.

Hoping we get newcomer reveals sometime soon...

 

[TheLastJinjo]

You're comparing the wrong Pokemon, Mewtwo and Lucario were originally suppose to coexist in Brawl.
So I ask you, what makes Genesect more deserving than Lucario? I so no real reason other than relevance and your personal bias towards the character to see it in your roster. Try listening to your own signature here Saturn,
"It's a crossover between Nintendo's greatest! Not Nintendo's latest!"

• Genesect being crazy popular in Japan and relatively popular in NA is not bias.
• Genesect being promoted by Pokemon Company is not bias.
• Having a newcomer Pokemon is not bias.

Maybe you should research him more. No offense, but if you continue to call me out for having Genesect because of recency and just refuse to see things otherwise I have no reason to continue this with you. It's kind of annoying.

Also I'm aware the 2 were suppose to co exist in Brawl. I know all about the 7.

As for else, chek out the JigglyPuff VS Lucario Poll to vote who you think would be prioritized more or more deserving to stay: http://smashboards.com/threads/roster-prediction-jigglypuff-v-s-lucario.339692/#post-15759189

DO NOT VOTE BASED ON PREFERENCE, THIS IS STILL PREDICTING.

 

[Deleted member]

What do you mean? Lucario and Mewtwo have similar move-sets, with lucario being more physically gifted. The charge B is relatively the same. However I do see you what you mean. But there were two pokemon replaced for a better, more recent character/Pokemon.

If Mewtwo and Lucario have "similar" movesets, then Jigglypuff is a full-blown Kirby clone.
Jigglypuff has more attacks like Kirby than Lucario does to Mewtwo.

 

[Salty the SLUG]

Oh man I just found out there's gonna be a Nintendo Direct tomorrow!
Character reveal, yea or nay?

Whats a Nintendo Direct?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Oh man I just found out there's gonna be a Nintendo Direct tomorrow!
Character reveal, yea or nay?

As much as I hope there will be, I don't think there will be one. The Direct is mostly looking at games coming out this year.

I'm still hoping that there will be a reveal on the website though.

 

[Arcanir]

"generic 6th gen rep"? I don't mean to be rude, but you sound aggravated. The reason why I brought up the 6th gen was because Lucario replaced Mewtwo most likely because the 4th gen was released almost a year before. So I am guessing the same scenario will happen again.

Where did you get aggravation? I'm honestly asking you this question because I don't see the reasoning behind it, why replace a popular and established choice for something we don't know anything about?

Anyway, as mentioned by the others, Lucario did not replace Mewtwo as data suggests both were meant to be in together, so yeah there's no pattern to how Pokémon rotates its reps.

 

[Sebz]

Whats a Nintendo Direct?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nintendo+direct

 

[Salty the SLUG]

If Mewtwo and Lucario have "similar" movesets, then Jigglypuff is a full-blown Kirby clone.
Jigglypuff has more attacks like Kirby than Lucario does to Mewtwo.

I find nothing in common between Kirby and Jigglypuff except that they are pink, small and round.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

If Mewtwo and Lucario have "similar" movesets, then Jigglypuff is a full-blown Kirby clone.
Jigglypuff has more attacks like Kirby than Lucario does to Mewtwo.

If you didn't know, theres actually someone I've seen around here that actually calls Jigglypuff a Kirby clone.

And somehow he's a Brawl Backroom member.

 

[Deleted member]

• Genesect being crazy popular in Japan and relatively popular in NA is not bias.
• Genesect being promoted by Pokemon Company is not bias.
• Having a newcomer Pokemon is not bias.

Maybe you should research him more. No offense, but if you continue to call me out for having Genesect because of recency and just refuse to see things otherwise I have no reason to continue this with you. It's kind of annoying.

Perhaps you should research Genesect more, considering you made that first claim without anything to back yourself up.

Just because a Pokémon had a movie doesn't mean it is "crazy popular". Need I bring up Zoroark, who ultimately failed to achieve the same success of popularity that Lucario did?

 

[Salty the SLUG]

Where did you get aggravation? I'm honestly asking you this question because I don't see the reasoning behind it, why replace a popular and established choice for something we don't know anything about?

Anyway, as mentioned by the others, Lucario did not replace Mewtwo as data suggests both were meant to be in together, so yeah there's no pattern to how Pokémon rotates its reps.

I don't know, you just seemed that way, sorry. If thats how you guys see it, thats okay.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

I find nothing in common between Kirby and Jigglypuff except that they are pink, small and round.

And have multiple second jumps.
And shared a few A moves in the first Smash Bros.

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