Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheLastJinjo]

How are Doc and Toon Link different within' Smash?

How?

I want to hear.

You do realize Toon Link is a filler character, just like Young Link and Doc were right? He's one of the last characters added to Brawl.

Dr. Mario is just a change in clothing, if you gave him overalls and a hat he'd be Mario with Pills.

Toon Link is clearly different in appearance, also smaller and faster, the other difference is that Toon Link is important where as Dr. Mario was not. And being added at the last minute doesn't mean that's the only reason you were added, genius.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Oh, and I still have slots open for my Japanese poll. So far the character list is:

Super Mario / Donkey Kong / Wario / Yoshi : Doc, Toad, B Junior, Waluigi, Paper Mario, Kamek, Mona, Syrup, Ashley, Dixie, K Rool

Legend Of Zelda: Young Link, Ghirahim, Impa, Majora, Tingle Midna

Kirby: Fluff, Gooey, Bandana Dee

Pokemon: Mewtwo, Pichu, Victini, Deoxys, Genesect, Sylveon, New Pokemon Trainer, Zoroark, Meowth, Plusle & Minun

Metroid: Ridley, Dark Samus, Anthony Higgs

StarFox: Krystal, Slippy

Mother: Kumatora, Porky, Claus / Masked Man

F-Zero: Shadow, Goroh

Fire Emblem: Roy, Micaiah, Black Knight, Caeda, Lyn, Lucina, Chrom, Anna, Avatar, Tharja

Others: Balloon Fighter, Elza, Isaac, Lip, Little Mac, Magnus, Medusa, Palutena, Mii, Ray MK, Saki, Starfy, Shulk, Sukapan, Takamaru, Mach Rider, Excitebiker

Third Party: Bomberman, Simon Belmont, Nightmare, Heihachi, Pac-Man, Slime, Chocobo, Black Mage, Geno, Layton, Jill Valantine, Ryu, Lloyd

Anyone else have a character they'd like to see Japanese Smashers be able to vote for?

(Points to Avatar) Eevee. :3

 

[kingmario92]

If any Mother character should get in the game, it should be Poo (AKA S**t)

 

[TheLastJinjo]

All this said, I don't see how these facts can add to or deduct from their chances other than having them be obvious targets for low priority.

You can't say they will always be clones, Mr. Fortune Teller. And Ganondorf is pretty similar in moves to C. Falcon so I guess he's low priority and identical to C. Falcon, just because you say so.

 

[kingmario92]

To be fair, with Toon Link you can make a somewhat unique moveset with him by giving items from Wind Waker like the Skull Hammer, Deku Leaf, & the Grappling Hook.

 

[TheCreator]

I'd add Jimmy T and Dillon to the japanese poll.

Also, Dr. Mario was quite obviously a filler character. And maybe even young link. But Toon Link was not. He was heavily requested, and represents a whole other branch of the LoZ series. Whereas toon link was a younger version of the same link from the same timeline.

Edit: Noah, unless Sakurai changes the way he views the idea of character reincarnations, they will be clones. True to you that I can't be certain, but it's a safe bet. Also, terrible comparison. C. Falcon is not a reincarnation of Ganondorf. (That I know of)

 

[DTST]

Waluigi gets treated like crap wasn't even in Mario Kart 7. He deserves a place in this smash instead of being an assist trophy,

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'd add Jimmy T and Dillon to the japanese poll.

Also, Dr. Mario was quite obviously a filler character. And maybe even young link. But Toon Link was not. He was heavily requested, and represents a whole other branch of the LoZ series. Whereas toon link was a younger version of the same link from the same timeline.

Dr. Mario & Pichu were nothin but, filler characters. Even Sakurai stated he added Ganondorf because he ran out of ideas for clones.

Though to be fair Pichu was popular in Anime and is the first Pokemon that comes to mind when I think Generation 2. But, that doesn't change that he was added because he's a clone.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

So I sat down and began fleshing out my prediction roster as much as possible, using various information I could gather from different sources on this website. I think I've reached a conclusion.

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Here's my starting roster prediction as of the 4th August 2013, includes 24 characters + Mii:​

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So besides the already announced character I feel like explaining some of the other choices as to why these characters are starters and should be unveiled before the game's release to promote it.​

Spoiler

Veterans:


Mario, Link, Samus, Kirby, Fox, Donkey Kong, Pikachu, Bowser, Pit, Olimar, Villager and Wii Fit Trainer - Confirmed.

Yoshi, Peach, Wario, Zelda+Sheik, Diddy Kong, King Dedede and Ice Climbers - All of these are obvious inclusions and have been popular veterans in all previous installments, they shouldn't require any explanation.

Pokémon Trainer - I don't see this guy getting cut, and I'm not sure why others even consider him on the edge. Sure the 3DS has technical limitations, but Pokémon Trainer works much differently than characters like Ice Climbers. Let me assure you, the problem isn't too many objects on the screen at once causing lag, else Smash Bros wouldn't ever be considered for the 3DS with its abilities to even break the Wii into lag thanks to items. The problem regarding Ice Climbers is most likely an AI problem regarding Nana, having her perform the actions on time and be properly in sync. The Pokémon Trainer himself acts more or less as a stage prop in the data, and in Brawl the disc loaded one character at a time, so the 3DS wouldn't have to try and carry the weight of 4 characters at once like some claim, rather 1 character and a stage prop. Now of course Ice Climbers is in my no-brainer section, so I expect them to work around their issues, and if Pokémon Trainer has any issues on the 3DS, I expect them to work around them too. As for representation, you'll see the 6th Gen rep in my full roster, as of now Pokémon Trainer has 2 incredibly iconic and popular Pokémons and THE most beloved Pokémon of all-time, no Pokémon can stand up to Charizard honestly, he could carry the weight of the character all alone. Combine that with him being the single most unique character in Smash Bros, and he's one of the most assured characters in my eyes.





Newcomers:


Mii - So let's get this one out of the way, since it's obviously the big one. I'm not one of those people who believe the "leak" is necessarily 100% true, but I have used it for my roster, as it's one of the only sources of information we have towards anything that's not confirmed yet. I'm not happy about the inclusion, but I'm gonna stick with it so far. As for the Mii's starter status, would be an incredibly weird thing to unlock. I don't treat the spot as any ordinary character spot, Sakurai is always incredibly faithful to the characters' origins, and the Miis are basically just a customizable avatar, so we'll see what happens if anything happens. To be honest, this is the inclusion which has me on the edge on believing the rumor, but I'm still including it for now.

Little Mac: Leak or no leak, this guy's in, and we all know it. He has absolutely no detractions towards him, heck, his stage has even been revealed, I'm just waiting for his trailer right now.

Palutena: Kid Icarus Uprising was a huge success, and with Sakurai leading the game it's another no-brainer that it'll get a newcomer, especially seeing that Pit's status in Smash Bros has been upped so much that he arguably took Yoshi's spot in the trailer. So Palutena is in general a very important character in the game, and is very popular amongst both western and eastern fans of Smash Bros. She has shown that she's very well capable of fighting, and it doesn't hurt that she's female either since Sakurai has spoken quite fondly of female inclusions in past interviews regarding ZSS' inclusion.

Chrom: So Chrom sits in a combination of Little Mac and Palutena's situations. Fire Emblem: Awakening was a huge success for Fire Emblem and is incredibly popular. So with that it's only natural that the game's lead character is very popular too, and rightfully so since he has managed to top even Marth in certain polls regarding favorite FE lords in Japan. Chrom is another one of these no-brainer inclusions, and heck, just like Little Mac he already has his stage revealed, another character who I'm just waiting to see.

Ridley: Hey-ho, look who this is. I almost feel bad talking about Ridley, it's no secret how much I want him, on several accounts I've gone so far as to call him my favorite video game character of all-time, and honestly, I'd be lying if I said otherwise. Thus, it's hard to not show some form of bias, and yet he was one of the characters which were almost excluded from my roster, odd huh? Either way, just look at Samus on Brawl's roster, she ended up in the same row as Pit, Ice Climbers and R.O.B, I think we can all see that with how big Metroid is, something is terribly wrong with that. Metroid is one of Nintendo's star franchises, but it's certainly not being treated like that in Smash Bros given that it's still down on 1 character 3 games in, let's change that with the 4th one. There are no other contenders for a second Metroid rep spot that Ridley, the guy is so popular over here, it's almost scary. Oh yeah, he's also a Nintendo All-Star without a shadow of doubt, arguably the one and only one without a playable appearance in Smash Bros. This time all the stars are aligned, he's not under the boot of more important and popular characters like Dedede, Olimar or Diddy Kong this time, I think it's fair to say that he's got a very good shot. As for his starting status, I was kind of on the edge on this one given that he's not incredibly huge in Japan, but for having the novelty of being a big dragon that just screams "every generic video gamer wants to play me" I figured he was advertisement gold over here. Throw all the counter-arguments and "too big" nonesense towards me, I'm armed with nearly a decade of expertise countering it.

So with that out of the way, let's get to the fully unlocked roster.

Here's my final roster prediction as of the 4th August 2013, includes 40 characters + Mii:​

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Blue = Starter. Red = Unlockable. Yellow = Cut/DLC. Once again I'll come in with some explanations.​

Spoiler

Veterans:​

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Luigi, Ganondorf, Falco, Mr. G&W, Marth, C. Falcon and Ness - Obvious mainstays, believing any of these to be cut is just stupid.​

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R.O.B - Unlike some I don't believe this guy will get cut, simple as that, I see no reason to cut him. If G&W could survive from Melee to Brawl, R.O.B will survive this.​

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Jigglypuff - I'd consider her to be cut due to her low priority in Brawl if it hadn't been for the recent announcement that she's one of the new Fairy-types in 6th Gen, not only allowing her to get a revamped moveset, but also making her eligible for minor advertisement.​

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Meta Knight -He's unlockable because 1. He's not as important or recognizable as Dedede and 2. He has a very badass image that allows him to be a very cool character to unlock much like Mewtwo in Melee.​

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Sonic - Sakurai wouldn't have gone so much out of his way to include him in Brawl just to boot him off in the next game. So with him being the most requested character in Smash Bros' history, and Nintendo taking Sega under their wings tightly, there's no doubt he'll be back. On the other hand...​

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Snake - This is a tricky one. Now people constantly say that Snake has no rights to be in a Nintendo All-Star anymore, but honestly, he's more relevant to Nintendo now than he was during Brawl solely because of a single 3DS release. Snake has never been a character faithful to Nintendo, but he got in either way, it's just a testament to the fact that Smash Bros isn't just one big advertisement for Nintendo. He's also so unique in playstyle, no one can mimic him, which is the kind of additions we know Sakurai loves. Plus, Sakurai says that no one's cut yet, so I believe he already has the rights to work with Snake and Sonic at the moment, meaning that they are in.​

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Mewtwo - Duh, duh and double duh. Mewtwo is the only character that was present in Brawl that I am more than 100% sure is in. While Little Mac is 100% in, Mewtwo is 150% in. Not only is he the single most requested character, but he's a lot easier to work with since he's practically a veteran, and his new form will represent 6th Gen. Of course he's in.​

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Newcomers:​

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Mega Man - Confirmed. I believe he'll follow the path of Sonic and Snake and be unlockable.​

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Pac-Man - Again, I've chosen to go with the leak for this. Sakurai has shown interest in him too, when he was conversing with an interviewer about how Pac-Man could work, so I've heard at least, haven't read the actual interview. Even then he's never been a very unlikely addition, just not a very wanted addition.​

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King K. Rool - Serving as the single newcomer on my roster who will not be revealed before release we have K. Rool. I was on the edge whether to include this guy on the starting roster or Ridley, but went with Ridley. King K. Rool has pretty much just as much support as Ridley has over here, but to his favor he is pretty much equally as popular in Japan too. So why unlockable? Well, firstly, as much as we love K. Rool, a random bypasser who isn't a Nintendo fan will probably just see him as some fat crocodile. That doesn't sound so appealing, does it? Everybody loves dragons though, so with Ridley being a starter he can be on the box art and be used as general advertisement. Of course the general Nintendo fan will disagree with K. Rool just being a fat crocodile, I heavily disagree with it too, but that's how the general mass would view him on first sight, and if they don't view him like that they're likely already Nintendo fans. K. Rool is also the kind of character which is great to leave as an unlockable just to cause tension in the fanbase about whether he's in or not, given that he's been excluded from the DK series for so long it'll be an ingenious way to create hype. So either way, K. Rool over Dixie because Smash Bros is more than a cheap advertisement, that's one reason why Dixie's role in Tropical Freeze and K. Rool's absence in it doesn't matter. Then there's of course the thing with K. Rool having potential to be more unique and he's much more distinct than the rest of the DK crew. Most of you likely know the tons of great reasons to include this great character, so I'll move on.​

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Cuts:​

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I'll explain this very briefly. I tried to show no bias here, so two characters I love had to go, that being Lucas and Ike. So yeah let's just go over it quickly.​

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Toon Link - Cloniest of clones, easiest cut, would be missed as much as Young Link.​

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Lucario - Not putting him here because of Mewtwo, putting him here because as a veteran he's far less important to a Nintendo All-Star than any other character mentioned in this post.​

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Lucas - He's a semi-clone, and he's Japan-only, meaning less people will get hurt by his cut since so little people have a relation to him.​

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Ike - FE is a flavor of the week franchise, and with Ike's time having passed I sadly see him getting cut as a very real thing.​

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Wolf - In Brawl he was the lowest prioritized character, and that was when he was a newcomer. As of now he's just the least popular semi-clone of Fox, and I can see him being even lower prioritized this time around.​

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Mind you, my idea is that if DLC is made available for this game, the cut characters will be the first ones to be downloadable.​

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So that's it. The info I used to make this roster was gathered from the still yet to be confirmed "leak" and people's general opinion of the characters with the highest chances from the Rate Their Chances thread. I settled with 40 characters, because I have a gut feeling that'll be the inital roster, and with the 5 cut veterans hopefully making it as DLC it'll rack up to 45. It's just my humble prediction, comment on it as wildly as you want.​

 

[kingmario92]

Dr. Mario & Pichu were nothin but, filler characters. Even Sakurai stated he added Ganondorf because he ran out of ideas for clones.

Though to be fair Pichu was popular in Anime and is the first Pokemon that comes to mind when I think Generation 2. But, that doesn't change that he was added because he's a clone.

Dr. Mario was still one of my 3 favorite characters in Melee, but yeah, he was basically filler. He, Pichu, & Young Link were filler. At least Roy was in Melee to advertise his upcoming game in Japan (FE 6)

 

[TheCreator]

Dr. Mario & Pichu were nothin but, filler characters. Even Sakurai stated he added Ganondorf because he ran out of ideas for clones.

Though to be fair Pichu was popular in Anime and is the first Pokemon that comes to mind when I think Generation 2. But, that doesn't change that he was added because he's a clone.

Ok this effects what I said not at all. But that is interesting to think, how ganondorf was originally added just to be a clone. I'm pretty sure he'll stick around not to be a clone, but because he's a major LoZ character though. That's why I'm hopeful he won't be a clone much longer come this game, Sakurai seems to be completing his checklist this time around. (So awesome)

Edit: Btw noah I like your roster a lot. I'd get sheriff out of there and just say (Unkown Retro) because any guess is good, and I'd like to see a chart showing genesects popularity. Because i think Lucario is a ton more likely. Other than that, I managed to get over the fact that you have Bomberman and rate this roster with a 9/10. Also, Sonic and Snake need to come back brother.

 

[Silverjay323]

So I sat down and began fleshing out my prediction roster as much as possible, using various information I could gather from different sources on this website. I think I've reached a conclusion.

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Here's my starting roster prediction as of the 4th August 2013, includes 24 characters + Mii:​

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So besides the already announced character I feel like explaining some of the other choices as to why these characters are starters and should be unveiled before the game's release to promote it.​

So with that out of the way, let's get to the fully unlocked roster.

Here's my final roster prediction as of the 4th August 2013, includes 40 characters + Mii:​

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Blue = Starter. Red = Unlockable. Yellow = Cut/DLC. Once again I'll come in with some explanations.​

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If Ridley is in he'll probably be a unlockable. Just personal opinion. Also Wolf and Lucas being cut for DLC is highly unlikely. Cutting a character simply because of priority isn't a good reason at all, and considering his importance to the franchise, is very unlikely. Lucas being Japan only isn't a point against him, since that's exactly why he got in. And considering the Japanese audience is the most important to Sakurai, he's safer than others.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Ok this effects what I said not at all. But that is interesting to think, how ganondorf was originally added just to be a clone. I'm pretty sure he'll stick around not to be a clone, but because he's a major LoZ character though. That's why I'm hopeful he won't be a clone much longer come this game, Sakurai seems to be completing his checklist this time around. (So awesome)

Edit: Btw noah I like your roster a lot. I'd get sheriff out of there and just say (Unkown Retro) because any guess is good, and I'd like to see a chart showing genesects popularity. Because i think Lucario is a ton more likely. Other than that, I managed to get over the fact that you have Bomberman and rate this roster with a 9/10. Also, Sonic and Snake need to come back brother.

Thanks, means a lot. Also Sonic is in there and I put Sheriff as sort of an Ice Climber addition.

I don't know where to find an official poll for Pokemon characters. The Chart thing was just a joke to reference the fairly odd parents. However I know quite some Pokemon fans on internet, YouTube, Cons, and just pals who are Pokemon fans, and they seem to treat Genesect as quite a big deal. Also the Pokemon company does promote him quite a bit. I don't mean to say Genesect is more popular than Lucario, but with Mewtwo being similar and Lucario's popularity not AS big as during Brawl, I'm fairly skeptical. But, Lucario IS very likely to return. I guess we'll just have to wait & see.

Dr. Mario was still one of my 3 favorite characters in Melee, but yeah, he was basically filler. He, Pichu, & Young Link were filler. At least Roy was in Melee to advertise his upcoming game in Japan (FE 6)

I do have kind of a gulity pleasure for playing as Dr. Mario & Pichu.

 

[kingmario92]

Slight Update! Roster Version 4.8! (NEW! comes complete with the best Paper Mario move set ever! See at bottom of post!)
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I'm still perplexed by your choice of Sheriff, but overall a well done list. 9/10

 

[Autumn ♫]

Oh, and I still have slots open for my Japanese poll. So far the character list is:

Super Mario / Donkey Kong / Wario / Yoshi : Doc, Toad, B Junior, Waluigi, Paper Mario, Kamek, Mona, Syrup, Ashley, Dixie, K Rool

Legend Of Zelda: Young Link, Ghirahim, Impa, Majora, Tingle Midna

Kirby: Fluff, Gooey, Bandana Dee

Pokemon: Mewtwo, Pichu, Victini, Deoxys, Genesect, Sylveon, New Pokemon Trainer, Zoroark, Meowth, Plusle & Minun

Metroid: Ridley, Dark Samus, Anthony Higgs

StarFox: Krystal, Slippy

Mother: Kumatora, Porky, Claus / Masked Man

F-Zero: Shadow, Goroh

Fire Emblem: Roy, Micaiah, Black Knight, Caeda, Lyn, Lucina, Chrom, Anna, Avatar, Tharja

Others: Balloon Fighter, Elza, Isaac, Lip, Little Mac, Magnus, Medusa, Palutena, Mii, Ray MK, Saki, Starfy, Shulk, Sukapan, Takamaru, Mach Rider, Excitebiker

Third Party: Bomberman, Simon Belmont, Nightmare, Heihachi, Pac-Man, Slime, Chocobo, Black Mage, Geno, Layton, Jill Valantine, Ryu, Lloyd

Anyone else have a character they'd like to see Japanese Smashers be able to vote for?

Could you add Vaati for Zelda please?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'm still perplexed by your choice of Sheriff, but overall a well done list. 9/10

Thanks, who knew I'd get such high ratings? (I did ) granted his move set may be difficult, but it's not much more obscure than Ice Climber. (At least Currently it's not) But, I think he deserves the spot. I would say he's the least likely of my roster though.

Starter Predictions

 

[TheCreator]

Hey noah, check out the OP of the Pac-man thread. And yeah i understand why you added sheriff, but you know in hindsight it's impossible to tell who our new retros will be, Sakurai usually pulls those out of his ass. That's why I say just put a "? retro" spot

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Quite frankly the Earthbound series is not only dead, but also irrelevant and unnecessary to the contribution of the gaming industry. I removed them entirely from the game.

 

[shinhed-echi]

So I sat down and began fleshing out my prediction roster as much as possible, using various information I could gather from different sources on this website. I think I've reached a conclusion.

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Here's my starting roster prediction as of the 4th August 2013, includes 24 characters + Mii:​

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I can agree with this.
All the characters that were once starters, still are.

If Little Mac is in, I'm 100% sure he'll be on the front cover of the boxart.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Thanks, who knew I'd get such high ratings? (I did ) granted his move set may be difficult, but it's not much more obscure than Ice Climber. (At least Currently it's not) But, I think he deserves the spot. I would say he's the least likely of my roster though.

Starter Predictions
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I'd like to ask if I can have that Palutena, Little Mac and Eevee icon you have there for my Roster Maker.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Hey noah, check out the OP of the Pac-man thread.

No need, I'm aware of the huge popularity of Pac-Man, Sora, and Geno. Also you can call me Saturn

I'd like to ask if I can have that Palutena, Little Mac and Eevee icon you have there for my Roster Maker.

Yeah, the Palutena & Little Mac one is from Ariand/AEM, and the Eevee Icon is someone else
here's the color version:

I prefer this one because all my other Pokemon icons are 3 Dimensional.

 

[PK-Omelette]

Oh, and I still have slots open for my Japanese poll. So far the character list is:

Super Mario / Donkey Kong / Wario / Yoshi : Doc, Toad, B Junior, Waluigi, Paper Mario, Kamek, Mona, Syrup, Ashley, Dixie, K Rool

Legend Of Zelda: Young Link, Ghirahim, Impa, Majora, Tingle Midna

Kirby: Fluff, Gooey, Bandana Dee

Pokemon: Mewtwo, Pichu, Victini, Deoxys, Genesect, Sylveon, New Pokemon Trainer, Zoroark, Meowth, Plusle & Minun

Metroid: Ridley, Dark Samus, Anthony Higgs

StarFox: Krystal, Slippy

Mother: Kumatora, Porky, Claus / Masked Man

F-Zero: Shadow, Goroh

Fire Emblem: Roy, Micaiah, Black Knight, Caeda, Lyn, Lucina, Chrom, Anna, Avatar, Tharja

Others: Balloon Fighter, Elza, Isaac, Lip, Little Mac, Magnus, Medusa, Palutena, Mii, Ray MK, Saki, Starfy, Shulk, Sukapan, Takamaru, Mach Rider, Excitebiker

Third Party: Bomberman, Simon Belmont, Nightmare, Heihachi, Pac-Man, Slime, Chocobo, Black Mage, Geno, Layton, Jill Valantine, Ryu, Lloyd

Anyone else have a character they'd like to see Japanese Smashers be able to vote for?

.hack (dot hack): Kite or Phase 1: The Terror of Death-Skeith
Sorry for no G.U cast like Haseo and whatnot, but some other cast either doesn't seem like a good idea
*cough*Fidchell*cough*

Or the peanut Corbenik*cough*

Not to mention as (if it was put into Smash Bros) the most popular game/character of the series would obviously be put in first, right? I can see it either being Kite from the original who reappeared in many .hack spinoffs, or Skeith who also reappeared in many spinoffs.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I can agree with this.
All the characters that were once starters, still are.

If Little Mac is in, I'm 100% sure he'll be on the front cover of the boxart.

K. Rool should be starter, not Ridley. He is definitely unlockable Status.

 

[TheCreator]

No need, I'm aware of the huge popularity of Pac-Man, Sora, and Geno. Also you can call me Saturn



Yeah, the Palutena & Little Mac one is from Ariand/AEM, and the Eevee Icon is someone else
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Oh no quite the contrary. Pacman has very little popularity. I'd just like you to read the OP, and then think of a counter argument? If you're capable, that is :D

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Oh no quite the contrary. Pacman has very little popularity. I'd just like you to read the OP, and then think of a counter argument?

I meant Smash request popularity. and What's the OP? The over power, over popularity, or omnipresent peaches? Can I have a link to exactly what you're talking about so I respond to the proper post you want?

 

[Gune]

Slight Update! Roster Version 4.8! (NEW! comes complete with the best Paper Mario move set ever! See at bottom of post!)
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Updates: Removal of Shulk, Mii counts as a slot. This is due to it being unlikely that we have 51 characters. But, I still think Shulk has a slight chance of making it as a playable character.

Noticeable Differences:

Matthew - Most people have Issac, as he appears in all the titles. I have Matthew because it seems he has replaced Issac's role and is mostly a reboot of him. This will be a more relevant way of representing Golden Sun. But both are very likely, but I go with Matthew.

Starfy - Starfy is one of the most likely, he's had 3 GBA installments, a 4th on DS, and a fifth western release on DS. He has become a pretty big Nintendo All-Star and has a lot of Move Set Potential. I suggest others add him.

Sheriff - He was the first Nintendo game (not counting Computer Othello.) as well as an international arcade title, he can represent the arcade and his status of recognition is similar to that of Ice Climbers.

Mewtwo - Mewtwo will return. There is no question about it. What will be of his upgraded awakened form though. My guess is that you earn this through battle or Final Smash and maybe lose it when KO'd. Footage of the movie: "Extreme Speed Genesect: Mewtwo's Awakening" that this new form is in fact more powerful and faster. He only changes back to Mewtwo when he is weakened or done fighting. So it makes sense to be a form that you earn, but don't keep forever as it's powers are limited.

Genesect - My newest addition. I didn't add Genesect because he's a new Pokemon, I added him because we need a Pokemon that hasn't already been playable. Genesect fits the description Sakurai gave on how he adds Pokemon characters. Genesect being in SSB seems very likely and has so much potential. I was going to replace JigglyPuff with Eevee, but so far I haven't figured out how to make that concept work without excluding evolutions.

Paper Mario - Bowser Jr is very likely to be the 5th Mario rep, but I see Paper Mario to be more preferred and unique. It just seems like the more logical choice.

Bomberman - Konami has recently acquired one of the most popular/iconic third-party characters from the deceased Hudson Soft. Bomberman has had as much affiliation with Nintendo as any of the third-parties if not more and has had games on practically every game machine since NES. It hasn't been confirmed that third-parties like Snake will return and Sakurai and Konami may want to make use of this character especially since we can expect a new age of Bomberman due to his recent buyout of a major gaming company.

Snake - Most games that have guest characters usually only have them once. If any game does that it should be Smash Bros. I'm sure Sakurai may want to prioritize Nintendo Characters in a Nintendo fighting game, and not have too many Third-Parties. We could have Sonic, Snake, and Mega Man, and though it's hard to imagine SSB without Sonic, there is the possibility either 3 will be too many and Sakurai may want a second third-party to have a chance. I just don't see third-parties as veterans, but Sonic seems too popular to leave. (I know Snake was added as a favor, but it was a request for him to make an appearance, not be a veteran for life. That'd be a pretty huge favor)

Lucario/JigglyPuff - It's likely due to Mewtwo being higher priority, more popular, and easily has similar yet better abilites than Lucario, that he may replace him. However it's likely JigglyPuff could be replaced due to being not as relevant as the old days. I howver have JigglyPuff because she is a fairy Pokemon and her abilities are more unique from Mewtwo than Lucario's are. I think it's important for each Pokemon to be as different from each other as much as possible and Lucario may not be AS popular as he was during Brawl.


Mii - I think it's obvious he will use moves from Wii Sports, Wii Party, StreetPass Quest, and maybe even Pilot Wings Resort.

Costumes:

Villagette - I predict half of Villagers colors will be Boy, and the other half will be girl.

Dry Bowser - Either 1 costume or a second set like Wario & Villager.

If you have opinions or constructive Criticism, please give suggestions below.

I like the roster Bomber is still one of my favorite gameing Icons even though he is very unlikely I love the little guy alot, I can live with snake not being since it was just a freind request, Lucario being excluded for sharing 2 moves is rather unfair since there are clones on the roster and the starfox gang who are pretty similar moreso than Lucario is too Mewtwo, other than that Its cool

 

[shinhed-echi]

K. Rool should be starter, not Ridley. He is definitely unlockable Status.

Curious thing is I noticed Ridley and Palutena after I posted... Too lazy to go back to edit.

Still, almost there.

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Oh, regarding your roster. Pretty good choices all around. Sheriff is definitely the WTF choice. But not so much because of the obscurity of his addition, instead, it's because I just found out the other day that he is NOT the first Nintendo videogame created*, leaving him in an akward position. (I know this, I'm a big fan of Genyo Takeda).

(*The first Nintendo videogame created is called Evr Race. It's about racing horses)

Still, I'm all up for a western hero. I just think he should be given an update instead of sporting 8-bit sprites.

 

[Hotfeet444]

No need, I'm aware of the huge popularity of Pac-Man, Sora, and Geno. Also you can call me Saturn



Yeah, the Palutena & Little Mac one is from Ariand/AEM, and the Eevee Icon is someone else
here's the color version:
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Thank you kindly. :D

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I like the roster Bomber is still one of my favorite gameing Icons even though he is very unlikely I love the little guy alot, I can live with snake not being since it was just a freind request, Lucario being excluded for sharing 2 moves is rather unfair since there are clones on the roster and the starfox gang who are pretty similar moreso than Lucario is too Mewtwo, other than that Its cool

The point isn't Lucario being considered a semi-cone (which he's not) It's more so to make the Pokemon different as much as possible. Lucario's Auroa is similar to Mewtwo's Shadow as well as his shape & form, they are also pretty lightweight characters. I know they aren't clones, but for Pokemon I think it's best to have reps be more different from each other than Lucario & Mewtwo are. I know a lot of people are okay with Mewtwo over Lucario. It's to avoid having pokemon of the same type or similar type.

Also Bomberman actually isn't as unlikely as u think.

Oh, regarding your roster. Pretty good choices all around. Sheriff is definitely the WTF choice. But not so much because of the obscurity of his addition, instead, it's because I just found out the other day that he is NOT the first Nintendo videogame created*, leaving him in an akward position. (I know this, I'm a big fan of Genyo Takeda).

But, the majority of people think it is

 

[Autumn ♫]

Also Bomberman actually isn't as unlikely as u think.

He's the 3rd most likely Konami character to get, with Snake most likely returning and if he doesn't it would probably be Simon Belmont, then followed by Bomberman.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

I meant Smash request popularity. and What's the OP? The over power, over popularity, or omnipresent peaches? Can I have a link to exactly what you're talking about so I respond to the proper post you want?

Pretty sure in this context it means original post.

To be honest Bomberman's popularity surpasses Snake

Source?

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[TheLastJinjo]

He's the 3rd most likely Konami character to get, with Snake most likely returning and if he doesn't it would probably be Simon Belmont, then followed by Bomberman.

Lol, Simon Belmont before Bomberman.

To be honest Bomberman's popularity surpasses Snake, he got in because the creator requested him, but since he's a well liked veteran, ya know.
Also CastleVania games are not doing so well right now.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

To be honest Bomberman's popularity surpasses Snake, he got in because the creator requested him, but since he's a well liked veteran, ya know.

Also CastleVania games are not doing so well right now.

What? Since when? Lords of shadow was the best selling game in the series and the sequel is coming out this year. Konami really only banks on, metal gear, castlevania, and their soccer games. All else has been ignored for a while by them, bomberman hasnt really been used all that much if at all since they acquired him.

 

[MagnesD3]

METAL GEAR!!!

 

[Starcutter]

I did some predictions.

Here's my roster, only snake and toon link are cut. 51 characters present.

V1 Roster

Then I started cutting down the characters to 44
1.1 Roster

-Dixie Kong
-Waddle Dee
-Ghirahim
-Wolf (unsure if good idea or not)
-Chrom
-Goroh
-Alph

Opinions?
I tried to make a realistic roster out of the characters I liked for the first one, then cut it down.

If I had to chose the people for the next cut for my 1.2 roster I'd probably cut Lucas, Tom nook, Tingle and... Kamek (Sigh)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Oh, and I still have slots open for my Japanese poll. So far the character list is:

Super Mario / Donkey Kong / Wario / Yoshi : Doc, Toad, B Junior, Waluigi, Paper Mario, Kamek, Mona, Syrup, Ashley, Dixie, K Rool

Legend Of Zelda: Young Link, Ghirahim, Impa, Majora, Tingle Midna

Kirby: Fluff, Gooey, Bandana Dee

Pokemon: Mewtwo, Pichu, Victini, Deoxys, Genesect, Sylveon, New Pokemon Trainer, Zoroark, Meowth, Plusle & Minun

Metroid: Ridley, Dark Samus, Anthony Higgs

StarFox: Krystal, Slippy

Mother: Kumatora, Porky, Claus / Masked Man

F-Zero: Shadow, Goroh

Fire Emblem: Roy, Micaiah, Black Knight, Caeda, Lyn, Lucina, Chrom, Anna, Avatar, Tharja

Others: Balloon Fighter, Elza, Isaac, Lip, Little Mac, Magnus, Medusa, Palutena, Mii, Ray MK, Saki, Starfy, Shulk, Sukapan, Takamaru, Mach Rider, Excitebiker

Third Party: Bomberman, Simon Belmont, Nightmare, Heihachi, Pac-Man, Slime, Chocobo, Black Mage, Geno, Layton, Jill Valantine, Ryu, Lloyd

Anyone else have a character they'd like to see Japanese Smashers be able to vote for?

King Boo?

 

[Opossum]

Oh, and I still have slots open for my Japanese poll. So far the character list is:

Super Mario / Donkey Kong / Wario / Yoshi : Doc, Toad, B Junior, Waluigi, Paper Mario, Kamek, Mona, Syrup, Ashley, Dixie, K Rool

Legend Of Zelda: Young Link, Ghirahim, Impa, Majora, Tingle Midna

Kirby: Fluff, Gooey, Bandana Dee

Pokemon: Mewtwo, Pichu, Victini, Deoxys, Genesect, Sylveon, New Pokemon Trainer, Zoroark, Meowth, Plusle & Minun

Metroid: Ridley, Dark Samus, Anthony Higgs

StarFox: Krystal, Slippy

Mother: Kumatora, Porky, Claus / Masked Man

F-Zero: Shadow, Goroh

Fire Emblem: Roy, Micaiah, Black Knight, Caeda, Lyn, Lucina, Chrom, Anna, Avatar, Tharja

Others: Balloon Fighter, Elza, Isaac, Lip, Little Mac, Magnus, Medusa, Palutena, Mii, Ray MK, Saki, Starfy, Shulk, Sukapan, Takamaru, Mach Rider, Excitebiker

Third Party: Bomberman, Simon Belmont, Nightmare, Heihachi, Pac-Man, Slime, Chocobo, Black Mage, Geno, Layton, Jill Valantine, Ryu, Lloyd

Anyone else have a character they'd like to see Japanese Smashers be able to vote for?

Do you still have the Japanese name for Muddy Mole (モグラ〜ニャ) I sent you a while back? Oh, and for ****s and giggles, maybe you could add チキ onto the Fire Emblem list (being a recurring character and all)?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Hey noah, check out the OP of the Pac-man thread. And yeah i understand why you added sheriff, but you know in hindsight it's impossible to tell who our new retros will be, Sakurai usually pulls those out of his ***. That's why I say just put a "? retro" spot

If you mean the one by SmashDaddy, it's quite a poor attempt at making a Pac-Man move set. The move-set is incredibly underwhelming and consists mostly of moves used by characters such as JigglyPuff, Bowser, and Wario.

It seems the only affiliation from Nintendo mentioned was an obscure Arcade Game, which does not compare to the Nintendo affiliation of Snake, Sonic, nor Bomberman.

He goes on to claim that while the current Pac-Man isn't as popular or has good moves, that characters like Pit & Ice Climber got in and do have moves. This works for NINTENDO characters. Third-Parties are suppose to be already popular and already have a move set. Third-Parties are very exclusive so it shouldn't be somebody where you have to invent things in order for it to work. He constantly compares this third-party to many semi-obscure Nintendo icons such as R.O.B., Ice Climbers, and Pit. That's not a good sign.

It's mostly just him saying that what Pac-Man doesn't have can simply be invented. I don't think Sakurai is going to choose a Third-Party if he has to go to lengths to make it work. He doesn't add just ANY third-party.

Also why would Sakurai say "Namco characters aren't getting any special treatment" if not to lower people's hopes when no Namco characters appear. Why would he bother releasing a statement of what WASN'T the reason a character WAS included. It's just as pointless as saying "Well, Sonic will get in, but he's not getting special treatment because he's blue." Being playable in Super Smash Brothers would be considered special treatment for ANY non-Nintendo Character.

If you have a fighting game exclusively for "Nintendo All-Stars" Being one of the only Non-Nintendo characters in it IS "Getting Special Treatment" Going to the length of inventing moves for a character that's not Nintendo and then making them a playable ****ing character seems like special treatment to me.

 

[PK-Omelette]

I did some predictions.

Here's my roster, only snake and toon link are cut. 51 characters present.

V1 Roster

Then I started cutting down the characters to 44
1.1 Roster

-Dixie Kong
-Waddle Dee
-Ghirahim
-Wolf (unsure if good idea or not)
-Chrom
-Goroh
-Alph

Opinions?
I tried to make a realistic roster out of the characters I liked for the first one, then cut it down.

If I had to chose the people for the next cut on my 1.1 roster I'd probably cut Lucas, Tom nook, Tingle and... Kamek (Sigh)

Why trim? Your original one looked really nice as it was.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Can somebody tell me how a Namco character (someone who is not Nintendo) getting into Super Smash Brother is NOT Special Treatment?
Hence Sakurai's Statement: "Namco characters are getting no special treatment."