Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheDivineDeity]

Hey there guys, I'm back, so what's new?

So anyways, I've updated my roster prediction to be more realistic, so I was wondering what everybody thinks:

Green = Newcomer
Yellow = Potential DLC (if there is any)
Red = Almost impossible and highly improbable (but possibly possible)

So, what does everybody think?

 

[zauberdragon]

I still think that if we get two links Toon makes far more sense than 'classic' (LTtP) link. Putting the Spirit Tracks level aside for a minute, Toon Link and 'normal' (TP, SS, Smash) link have far more visual and game-play differences between the two. If you ask me 'normal' Link is the succesor to 'original' Link.

The games of original and normal have some continuity in terms of items and a generally conservative gameplay approach. With Toom however ,more risks are taken. The sea setting in WW and PH and the train in ST.

I also don't buy the relevancy argument. I've seen some argue that Link to the Past 2 means original link is having a resurgence to Toons disadvantage. What these people forget is since Brawl Spirit tracks was released and Wink Waker is getting remade. Also Phantom hourglass was released just months before Brawl- not to mention the Four swords games released during this period.

I'm not arguing Toon will be in the game, personally I think we'll only see one Link this time and Toon's appearance on the ST stage could rule him out. But that I don't think 'classic' Link warrants a place in the game when a refurbished Toon Link with game specific attacks would be easier to create than a unique 'original'.

Not that Sakurai cares for originality in his movesets *snort

 

[PK-Omelette]

Hey there guys, I'm back, so what's new?

So anyways, I've updated my roster prediction to be more realistic, so I was wondering what everybody thinks:

View attachment 1897

Green = Newcomer
Yellow = Potential DLC (if there is any)
Red = Almost impossible and highly improbable (but possibly possible)

So, what does everybody think?

Looks... much better, actually.

 

[jaytalks]

I get what your saying but irregardless, if there are going to be "cuts" it has to be somewhere and the simple fact of the matter is having TWO Links is still a slap to the face of fans waiting for their franchise to be represented!

I don't get how that's a slap in the face. There's been two links since Melee in the game. If anything two Links it status quo. As Sakurai has said before, it's a multiplier effect a clone (or semi-clone) doesnt take as much time to develop.

I would have no problem having two incarnations of certain characters. We already have had 2 links, so I don't get what's the complaining for. Two marios would be fine as well. Clones (and semi-clones) don't take the spot of other characters; it's a multiplier effect. Classic Link would be awesome for retro fans and could fit well if this smash has a retro feel (see Mega Man). I think people are just saying keeping at 2 links, with Classic Link replacing Toon Link, with every Smash having a different (younger) Link.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

If people complain about Doc, they should also complain about Toon/Young Link.

They're the exact same things, different incarnations of an already existing character who'm they share many moveset traits with.

Not really, Dr. Mario is just a change in clothing and can easily be represented as a costume. You're really exaggerating.

Ugh.. so we have to have different Links to represent different facets of the Zelda franchise...

Adult Link = represents all adult Links (aka the child timeline)
Young Link = represents all child Links (aka the decline timeline)
Toon Link = represents all toon Links (aka the adult timeline)

Why don't we also add Young Zelda and Toon Zelda?

Why stop with Zelda franchise? Why not Mario franchises too?

Mario = represents the main games
Dr. Mario = represents Dr. Mario series
Paper Mario = represents Paper Mario series
Mario & Luigi team = represents Mario & Luigi series
Mario in his sports outfits = represents the sports spin-off games
Jumpman = represents Mario vs. Donkey Kong series and arcade games

Differences

A: You've gone completely overboard.
B: None of those are important to represent while Toon Link is. Also ignore mimgrim & Hotfeet's timeline statement. The Timeline has never influenced the addition of any character.
C: Dr. Mario is just an outfit.
D: Toon Link is already Young Link.

You have every right to complain that Toon Zelda is an unnecessary waste, but Toon Link is not.

 

[Autumn ♫]

If we do see characters go, I believe Toon Link would be the 1st to leave.

 

[DTST]

I'd rather have Mewtwo in his old form but its only logical he would be in his new form unless it would be a alt costume.

 

[PK-Omelette]

If we do see characters go, I believe Toon Link would be the 1st to leave.

If we do see characters go, I don't see any of the originals being the ones to leave. I also don't see any of the classics (like R.O.B or Mr.Game&Watch) leaving either. Perhaps Lucario to be replaced by Zoroark? Or Falco or Wolf loosing their place to Krystal? Regardless, unless there's a new Link to replace Toon, I don't see him leaving any time soon.

I'd rather have Mewtwo in his old form but its only logical he would be in his new form unless it would be a alt costume.

Why not be an alt form like Z.S. Samus or Sheik?

 

[Autumn ♫]

If we do see characters go, I don't see any of the originals being the ones to leave. I also don't see any of the classics (like R.O.B or Mr.Game&Watch) leaving either. Perhaps Lucario to be replaced by Zoroark? Or Falco or Wolf loosing their place to Krystal? Regardless, unless there's a new Link to replace Toon, I don't see him leaving any time soon.

Toon Link isn't a classic though...
Lucario most likely won't be replaced by Zoroark as Lucario is waaay more promoted than him and even replaced Zoroark as the mascot of Pokemon Smash.
I highly doubt Falco or Wolf would lose their place to Krystal when Falco is more popular and Wolf is more important. If anything, I just see a StarFox character go (I'm leaning towards Falco) and not see a new one come in.

 

[Starbound]

Not really, Dr. Mario is just a change in clothing and can easily be represented as a costume. You're really exaggerating.

Hardly. Doc doesn't use fireballs or uses FLUDD. Dr. Mario has no hat to take off when taunting.

Toon Link is just Link in a different art style with a massive head. A Link in a different time period is still Link, just like Mario in a doctor's uniform is still Mario.

You have every right to complain that Toon Zelda is an unnecessary waste, but Toon Link is not.

Why? He's just Link from a different time line. Same weapons. Very similar moves (uses a sword instead of feet whoop de doo).

Toon Link is important to represent? Why? What makes a different art style so important to show off?

 

[CalumG]

Hey there guys, I'm back, so what's new?

So anyways, I've updated my roster prediction to be more realistic, so I was wondering what everybody thinks:

View attachment 1897

Green = Newcomer
Yellow = Potential DLC (if there is any)
Red = Almost impossible and highly improbable (but possibly possible)

So, what does everybody think?

Replace one of the two Mario newcomers (Mario isn't getting two). Waddle Dee is criminally unimportant and can get the cut, it's either Lloyd or Pac-Man (not both), Hades can go (Kid Icarus is quite simply not getting three reps) and although others beg to differ, I see that it's either Dixie or K. Rool rather than both.

Not a bad roster by any means, but these things strike me as glaring flaws. Sort them, and you're good to go. The main problem isn't your choice of newcomers - it's that for these franchises in particular, you seem to be adding two newcomers where they will quite obviously only be getting one (maximum, that is).

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Hey there guys, I'm back, so what's new?

So anyways, I've updated my roster prediction to be more realistic, so I was wondering what everybody thinks:

View attachment 1897

Green = Newcomer
Yellow = Potential DLC (if there is any)
Red = Almost impossible and highly improbable (but possibly possible)

So, what does everybody think?

It's better

1. You should swap Toad for JigglyPuff, there's no way there would be 6 Mario reps and if there was room for that there is room for a 5th Pokemon rep, as it has so much to represent and characters may be cut to acheive that.
2. Lloyd is from Namco, not Nintendo. You can't have 2 Third-Parties from the same company
3. Classic Link doesn't make sense because Toon Link is everything he is + more. Toon Link is also more distinctive from Adult Link and technically owns all of Classic Link's best items. Let's hope you didn't add Classic Link because muh recency.
4. Medusa should get in over Hades, in fact Hades is not gonna be playable. Medusa makes so much sense because she's the more recurring and deserving antagonist and she'd be a great semi-clone of Palutena. Problem is 3 KI reps is unlikely.
5. I don't see Waddle Dee OR a 4th Kirby rep getting in. We have all the Kirby characters we need.
6. Also think 4 DK reps is too much, you should just stick with King K. Rool.
7. There's no reason to have Alph if you have Olimar. Just give all the Pikmin to one captain. Alph is already a color swap and there's really nothing to distinct him from Olimar other than freckles and Blue.
8. I wouldn't get high hopes for Shadow Mario.
9. Tom Nook doesn't make sense either. It's obvious we're not going to have actual characters if the Avatar is what Sakurai chose to represent. Also Villager's move set is based around the game and it's items and events, so having another Animal Crossing rep is pointless.
10. Villager already has the Balloon fighter as a jump so he's basically deconfirmed
11. Geno, Anthony, Fawful, and Angry Bird have NO reason to be in and will NEVER be playable.
12. Again it makes WAY more sense to have 5 Pokemon and 5 Mario then to have 4 Pokemon and 6 Mario. Mario doesn't really need more characters besides Paper Mario.
13. Oh, yeah and no Mother characters, Grade A BULL **** decision to make!!!!! Hell will freeze over by the time that happens!

Also get rid of Impa.....

Hardly. Doc doesn't use fireballs or uses FLUDD. Dr. Mario has no hat to take off when taunting.

Toon Link is just Link in a different art style with a massive head. A Link in a different time period is still Link, just like Mario in a doctor's uniform is still Mario.



Why? He's just Link from a different time line. Same weapons. Very similar moves (uses a sword instead of feet whoop de doo).

Toon Link is important to represent? Why? What makes a different art style so important to show off?

And Toon Link can have a different move set entirely with different items. Makes more sense than just lazily cutting him.
*sigh* some people just don't understand the point of Toon Link.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Replace one of the two Mario newcomers (Mario isn't getting two) Toad, then. Waddle Dee is criminally unimportant and can get the cut Read SmashChu's analysis on his inclusion, it's either Lloyd or Pac-Man (not both) Pacman, then, Hades can go (Kid Icarus is quite simply not getting three reps) Sakurai isn't as 'humble' as people think he is - otherwise he wouldn't be gloating about popularity polls of his own characters, using his political ties withFamitsu to declare his games a masterpiece, and have DeDeDe and especially Metaknight as top tier fighters and although others beg to differ, I see that it's either Dixie or K. Rool rather than both. I could see potentially 2 newcomers for Donkey Kong. I don't see what the barrier is for this.

Not a bad roster by any means, but these things strike me as glaring flaws. Sort them, and you're good to go. The main problem isn't your choice of newcomers - it's that for these franchises in particular, you seem to be adding two newcomers where they will quite obviously only be getting one (maximum, that is).

 

[Hotfeet444]

Hooray for 400 pages! Anyways, while my Smash Bros artwork video renders, I created a new roster:

Total Characters: 48 + Mii Option
Returning Characters: 34
Cut characters: 1 (Lucario)
Newcomer List: Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, MegaMan, Paper Mario, King K.Rool, Impa, Ridley, Eevee, Mewtwo, Chrom, Palutena, Takamaru, Little Mac, Isaac, Mii
DLC Choices: Roy, Lucario.

Since the rendering is going to take a while, I have all the time in the world.

 

[PK-Omelette]

Toon Link isn't a classic though...
Lucario most likely won't be replaced by Zoroark as Lucario is waaay more promoted than him and even replaced Zoroark as the mascot of Pokemon Smash.
I highly doubt Falco or Wolf would lose their place to Krystal when Falco is more popular and Wolf is more important. If anything, I just see a StarFox character go (I'm leaning towards Falco) and not see a new one come in.

I know Toon wasn't a classic, hence why I mentioned I doubted his replacement if they couldn't find a different Link to replace HIM (not the original Link). Anyway, it was merely a thought. I'd personally prefer more reps for the franchises represented in Smash Bros (4 at max for each) to at least show diversity and promotion at the same time (also why I mentioned Falco or Wolf loosing their spot-if they can't be "fixed" that is). I know Lucario is more popular than Zoroark, however at his Brawl level, he's to much like a floaty psychic Pokémon, making him better off being replaced by Mewtwo (again, only if he isn't "fixed"), then making room for Zoroark.
I'm really crossing my fingers that nobody gets cut from Brawl and Melee cast can join with the Newcomers like Megaman or Wii Fit Trainer. Of course with 3DS and Wii U being 2 different games, I guess my desire comes more as having some cast be on one or the other, rather than being cut in both.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Hooray for 400 pages! Anyways, while my Smash Bros artwork video renders, I created a new roster:

Total Characters: 48 + Mii Option
Returning Characters: 34
Cut characters: 1 (Lucario)
Newcomer List: Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, MegaMan, Paper Mario, King K.Rool, Impa, Ridley, Eevee, Mewtwo, Chrom, Palutena, Takamaru, Little Mac, Isaac, Mii
DLC Choices: Roy, Lucario.

Since the rendering is going to take a while, I have all the time in the world.

Should replace JigglyPuff with Eevee and add Genesect. Not to mention all of your Pokemon are Gen 1 so it seems kind of unfair. I liked it better when you didn't have Impa. We kind of sorted out why she doesn't work earlier this morning. We don't even need a 5th Zelda re. Also I hope you implu Eevee is just eevee because there's no concept that really works for implementing her other forms so far. You'd have to program 8 other characters. Also props for Paper Mario. Also it's kind of unfair that Lucario is the ONLY character who doesn't get to return, I'd cut Snake.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Hey there guys, I'm back, so what's new?

So anyways, I've updated my roster prediction to be more realistic, so I was wondering what everybody thinks:

View attachment 1897

Green = Newcomer
Yellow = Potential DLC (if there is any)
Red = Almost impossible and highly improbable (but possibly possible)

So, what does everybody think?

Hm! I like how you used the colors to sort out likelihood.

Still no Mother characters, though, not even in the DLC section.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Hey there guys, I'm back, so what's new?

So anyways, I've updated my roster prediction to be more realistic, so I was wondering what everybody thinks:

View attachment 1897

Green = Newcomer
Yellow = Potential DLC (if there is any)
Red = Almost impossible and highly improbable (but possibly possible)

So, what does everybody think?

Immediate things that I notice

• No Mother/EarthBound characters
• Aren't getting 2 new Mario chars. pick 1.
• Lloyd and Pac-Man both Namco characters
• 3 Kid Icarus characters.
• Waddle Dee being a 4th Kirby character
• Some of your DLC seems unlikely (Geno, Anthony, Alph, Fawful)

 

[TheDivineDeity]

It's better

1. You should swap Toad for JigglyPuff, there's no way there would be 6 Mario reps and if there was room for that there is room for a 5th Pokemon rep, as it has so much to represent and characters may be cut to acheive that. Fine then, I'll get rid of Bowser Jr. for Jiggypuff, and have Toad in the game. It is criminal that of all the original SMB2 playable characters, Toad isn't yet available.
2. Lloyd is from Namco, not Nintendo. You can't have 2 Third-Parties from the same company Then I'll cut Lloyd for Pacman.
3. Classic Link doesn't make sense because Toon Link is everything he is + more. Toon Link is also more distinctive from Adult Link and technically owns all of Classic Link's best items. Let's hope you didn't add Classic Link because muh recency. A pattern follows - Link in SSB, Link and Young Link in SSBM, and Link and Toon Link in SSBB. If the pattern continues, it will be Link and another incarnation of Link.
4. Medusa should get in over Hades, in fact Hades is not gonna be playable. Medusa makes so much sense because she's the more recurring and deserving antagonist and she'd be a great semi-clone of Palutena. Problem is 3 KI reps is unlikely. Sakurai is not as humble as everybody says he is.
5. I don't see Waddle Dee OR a 4th Kirby rep getting in. We have all the Kirby characters we need. Read SmashChu's analysis on it.
6. Also think 4 DK reps is too much, you should just stick with King K. Rool. If I had to cut one or the other, I'm keeping K Rool.
7. There's no reason to have Alph if you have Olimar. Just give all the Pikmin to one captain. Alph is already a color swap and there's really nothing to distinct him from Olimar other than freckles and Blue. What about the Rock and Pink Pikmin? Who is going to use them?
8. I wouldn't get high hopes for Shadow Mario. If I have to add Baby Bowser, I assume he might use it as a transformation.
9. Tom Nook doesn't make sense either. It's obvious we're not going to have actual characters if the Avatar is what Sakurai chose to represent. Also Villager's move set is based around the game and it's items and events, so having another Animal Crossing rep is pointless. Alright, I'll cut him off. But again, its DLC so I didn't really out much thought into it.
10. Villager already has the Balloon fighter as a jump so he's basically deconfirmed By that logic, Capt Falcon shouldn't be playable because he's riding the Blue Falcon on his own stages.
11. Geno, Anthony, Fawful, and Angry Bird have NO reason to be in and will NEVER be playable. I'm not even serious about Angry Bird, but what with cross promotions with other companies (LucasFilms) and Miyamoto considering Angry Birds his favorite non-Nintendo game, I could see it, but again, 5-10% chance of happening. I understand Geno or Higgs not being considered, but Fawful? He represents the Mario RPGs. He has a better chance than that.
12. Again it makes WAY more sense to have 5 Pokemon and 5 Mario then to have 4 Pokemon and 6 Mario. Mario doesn't really need more characters besides Paper Mario.\ Mario also has a large roster of potential characters to plays as. I think people would rather see Waluigi, Fawful, or Bowser Jr. over Omastar and Dunsparce.

Also get rid of Impa..... Sheik is going to get replaced to compensate for Zelda's new appearance, whether you like it or not.

 

[CalumG]

Toad, then.

Good choice, I'd have done the same.

Read SmashChu's analysis on his inclusion

Link me it and I'll be happy to give it a read - that being said, there's not very much that could convince me that Waddle Dee would be a sensible player choice.

Pacman, then

Another good choice.

Hades can go (Kid Icarus is quite simply not getting three reps) Sakurai isn't as 'humble' as people think he is - otherwise he wouldn't be gloating about popularity polls of his own characters, using his political ties withFamitsu to declare his games a masterpiece, and have DeDeDe and especially Metaknight as top tier fighters

Being humble has nothing to do with it - Kid Icarus won't get three reps simply because it hasn't had the sales, the notoriety nor the quantity of games to warrant three characters. For that matter, Kid Icarus isn't Sakurai's franchise in the first place, so although I can see it getting another rep (due to him having a soft spot for it), I don't see him just giving out roster spots to Kid Icarus like a hooker gives out STD's.

I could see potentially 2 newcomers for Donkey Kong. I don't see what the barrier is for this.

This one, granted, is more debatable. I just don't feel like Donkey Kong needs 4 reps, but that's just me personally. I wouldn't say no to 4 DK characters, although it would sadden me if it were to happen because I feel like 3 would do the franchise proud whilst still leaving another spot open for a newcomer franchise to get a character.

EDIT: And where are the Mother reps?

 

[TheDivineDeity]

I like the idea of the Mii being a selectable option, like choosing Random, instead of taking up a roster space.

 

[Autumn ♫]

And Toon Link can have a different move set entirely with different items. Makes more sense than just lazily cutting him.
*sigh* some people just don't understand the point of Toon Link.

But Sakarai said that they have to have the same moves though...

 

[kingmario92]

Should replace JigglyPuff with Eevee and add Genesect. Not to mention all of your Pokemon are Gen 1 so it seems kind of unfair. I liked it better when you didn't have Impa. We kind of sorted out why she doesn't work earlier this morning. We don't even need a 5th Zelda re. Also I hope you implu Eevee is just eevee because there's no concept that really works for implementing her other forms so far. You'd have to program 8 other characters. Also props for Paper Mario. Also it's kind of unfair that Lucario is the ONLY character who doesn't get to return, I'd cut Snake.

What the flip is your deal with Snake? Snake is awesome, leave him alone, you scoundrel?

Hooray for 400 pages! Anyways, while my Smash Bros artwork video renders, I created a new roster:

Total Characters: 48 + Mii Option
Returning Characters: 34
Cut characters: 1 (Lucario)
Newcomer List: Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, MegaMan, Paper Mario, King K.Rool, Impa, Ridley, Eevee, Mewtwo, Chrom, Palutena, Takamaru, Little Mac, Isaac, Mii
DLC Choices: Roy, Lucario.

Since the rendering is going to take a while, I have all the time in the world.

Impa is the most questionable of the bunch and I think you should choose between either Eevee or Jigglypuff. Otherwise, a pretty accurate roster.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Link me it and I'll be happy to give it a read - that being said, there's not very much that could convince me that Waddle Dee would be a sensible player choice.
It's on his profile somewhere. I can't get a good link right now, though.

 

[CalumG]

Point still stands - where are the Mother reps, friend?

 

[Gune]

I know Toon wasn't a classic, hence why I mentioned I doubted his replacement if they couldn't find a different Link to replace HIM (not the original Link). Anyway, it was merely a thought. I'd personally prefer more reps for the franchises represented in Smash Bros (4 at max for each) to at least show diversity and promotion at the same time (also why I mentioned Falco or Wolf loosing their spot-if they can't be "fixed" that is). I know Lucario is more popular than Zoroark, however at his Brawl level, he's to much like a floaty psychic Pokémon, making him better off being replaced by Mewtwo (again, only if he isn't "fixed"), then making room for Zoroark.
I'm really crossing my fingers that nobody gets cut from Brawl and Melee cast can join with the Newcomers like Megaman or Wii Fit Trainer. Of course with 3DS and Wii U being 2 different games, I guess my desire comes more as having some cast be on one or the other, rather than being cut in both.

Why would sakurai Replace him for being floaty? thats the stupidest reason for his removal.

Hooray for 400 pages! Anyways, while my Smash Bros artwork video renders, I created a new roster:

Total Characters: 48 + Mii Option
Returning Characters: 34
Cut characters: 1 (Lucario)
Newcomer List: Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, MegaMan, Paper Mario, King K.Rool, Impa, Ridley, Eevee, Mewtwo, Chrom, Palutena, Takamaru, Little Mac, Isaac, Mii
DLC Choices: Roy, Lucario.

Since the rendering is going to take a while, I have all the time in the world.

Guess im paying extra for DLC then...

 

[PK-Omelette]

What the flip is your deal with Snake? Snake is awesome, leave him alone, you scoundrel?

He apparently doesn't like adding humor to Smash Bros...

 

[kingmario92]

He apparently doesn't like adding humor to Smash Bros...

Either that or top tier, bad*** characters.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Immediate things that I notice

• No Mother/EarthBound characters
• Aren't getting 2 new Mario chars. pick 1. Toad.
• Lloyd and Pac-Man both Namco characters Pacman.
• 3 Kid Icarus characters. Sakurai can, and probably will, do that. It's a series he works on and will give favoritism towards.
• Waddle Dee being a 4th Kirby character Read SmashChu's analysis on it.
• Some of your DLC seems unlikely (Geno, Anthony, Alph, Fawful) Again, it's DLC, not much thought or consideration for it, unlike the actual roster predictions I made. And why does everybody think Fawful is unlikely?

 

[DTST]

Not going to happen but i would love to see it. Yet this is what hacking is for.

 

[PK-Omelette]

Why would sakurai Replace him for being floaty? thats the stupidest reason for his removal.
Guess im paying extra for DLC then...

That's not the sole reason and you know it. How Lucario moves and fights in Brawl feel and look more like a psychic Pokémon than a fighting or steel type (and no, it's not just the Aura Sphere attack). If his moves were more similar to a fighting or steel type Pokémon (as they are in Project M, just to give you an example), then I'd be a lot more supportive of his stay.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Point still stands - where are the Mother reps, friend?

I couldn't fit them in, and I had to decide either Ness or ROB Likewise, I assume Ness will stay, but Lucas will be cut.

 

[Autumn ♫]

If it took 3 games to give Kirby 3 characters, we will be lucky to get a 2nd KI character.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Either that or top tier, bad*** characters.

Snake is considerably worse in competitive play-throughs now - he is no longer what he once was in competitive matches.

 

[Swift Fox]

I would hate to see veteran fighters in paying DLCs. It just isn't fair to fans who have played as someone in previous Smash games. >_>

 

[Autumn ♫]

Snake is considerably worse in competitive play-throughs now - he is no longer what he once was in competitive matches.

He's still extremely good though.

 

[PK-Omelette]

Snake is considerably worse in competitive play-throughs now - he is no longer what he once was in competitive matches.

In Smash Bros, there are no terrible characters, only players who are terrible playing as those characters

 

[Hotfeet444]

Why would sakurai Replace him for being floaty? thats the stupidest reason for his removal.
Guess im paying extra for DLC then...

The DLC is free.

Snake is considerably worse in competitive play-throughs now - he is no longer what he once was in competitive matches.

Why does that matter towards the game? Ganondorf's the worst character in the game, are we gonna cut him too?

 

[TheDivineDeity]

In Smash Bros, there are no terrible characters, only players who are terrible playing as those characters

I do agree with you, as I don't believe in tiers myself, truly. But, it seems this forums is mostly full of tier-believers.

 

[PK-Omelette]

Happy 401 page everyone! Before you know it there'll be 20,000 comments posted in this forum :D