Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheDivineDeity]

Yay.

 

[PK-Omelette]

I do agree with you, as I don't believe in tiers myself, truly. But, it seems this forums is mostly full of tier-believers.

Looks can be deceiving

 

[Swift Fox]

The DLC is free.

That'd be great XD Sakurai can release free DLC as a excuse on unfinished low priority character project.

 

[kingmario92]

Done with my roster. So here it is:

Blue= Default Character Red= Unlockable Character Green= DLC Character

I do agree with you, as I don't believe in tiers myself, truly. But, it seems this forums is mostly full of tier-believers.

I don't believe tiers, that was more of a joke on my end.

 

[Silverjay323]

I do agree with you, as I don't believe in tiers myself, truly. But, it seems this forums is mostly full of tier-believers.

Tiers aren't about which characters are better than others, but which character has better attributes that prove advantageous in different match-ups. You can win with anyone. You'll just have to be more skilled to win with some characters than others.

 

[Shorts]

Not really, Dr. Mario is just a change in clothing and can easily be represented as a costume. You're really exaggerating.

Continue to defend Toon Link, and put down Doc, but in terms of Smash, they're identicle. They're Mario/Links with extremely similar moves. That's it, nothing else. Toon Link may be a different "incarnation" of Link, but in Smash, he's still just a second Link like Doc is a secon Mario.

 

[Groose]

In Smash Bros, there are no terrible characters

except for Ganondorf in Brawl, only players who are terrible playing as those characters

Fixed.

 

[PK-Omelette]

Done with my roster. So here it is:
View attachment 1900

Blue= Default Character Red= Unlockable Character Green= DLC Character

Hm....
DLC can-technically speaking- be unlimited when it comes to cast, considering this is fan made roster right? The cast seems a bit tiny to me...

 

[Gune]

That's not the sole reason and you know it. How Lucario moves and fights in Brawl feel and look more like a psychic Pokémon than a fighting or steel type (and no, it's not just the Aura Sphere attack). If his moves were more similar to a fighting or steel type Pokémon (as they are in Project M, just to give you an example), then I'd be a lot more supportive of his stay.

Lucario fights by using a self developed style of maritial arts project m Lucario is awesome but literally it just looks like someone put akuma in Lucario's body its not really creative (except for the new aura system) Lucario is fine the way he is the only thing he needs revamped is his aura mechanic a bit, and even he did fight like a psychic type do really think skaurai would cut him just because of that?

 

[Autumn ♫]

Continue to defend Toon Link, and put down Doc, but in terms of Smash, they're identicle. They're Mario/Links with extremely similar moves. That's it, nothing else. Toon Link may be a different "incarnation" of Link, but in Smash, he's still just a second Link like Doc is a secon Mario.

Let's start supporting Dr.Mario now!

 

[kingmario92]

Hm....
DLC can-technically speaking- be unlimited when it comes to cast, considering this is fan made roster right? The cast seems a bit tiny to me...

Couldn't think of anyone else.

 

[PK-Omelette]

Fixed.

lol~ Ganan can kill, you just need someone with waaay more skill to master it XD

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Hm....
DLC can-technically speaking- be unlimited when it comes to cast, considering this is fan made roster right? The cast seems a bit tiny to me...

I don't want to overflow the roster though, unless there is only a limited amount of DLC roster space for people who purchase the product.

 

[Shorts]

Let's start supporting Dr.Mario now!

I've always like Doc.

 

[PK-Omelette]

Couldn't think of anyone else.

So... nobody from other 3rd party game developers who want their characters in too? Nobody from the franchises already represented to be added?

Huh, I'd think at least Otacon would come to mind

 

[kingmario92]

So... nobody from other 3rd party game developers who want their characters in too? Nobody from the franchises already represented to be added?

Huh, I'd think at least Otacon would come to mind

I'd rather have Grey Fox, Raiden, or Ocelot over f***ing Otacon

 

[Shorts]

Third parties won't be DLC, I can say that much.

If a third party character is being added, all the bull**** that comes with their additions would take far too much time to have them be an after thought.

Characters that will be in Roy and Mewtwo's position in Brawl would be DLC. The ones that were cut due to time constraints.

 

[Gune]

The DLC is free.

oh joyous day

 

[PK-Omelette]

I don't want to overflow the roster though, unless there is only a limited amount of DLC roster space for people who purchase the product.

I think DLC should be free. It gives the game teams more time to develop more characters, even when time runs out.

 

[kingmario92]

The DLC is free.

Free DLC? An improvement over the on-the-disk DLC for Street Fighter X Tekken.

 

[PK-Omelette]

I'd rather have Grey Fox, Raiden, or Ocelot over f***ing Otacon

It was a joke (hence the trollface)
My reference to 3rd party was to people like Suda51 who wants their own popular protagonist into the Smash Bros games too, in addition to extending other games like EB/Mo and DK which to me just to have a fair amount whereas Pokémon and Mario pretty much take up the most roster for an individual series.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I've always like Doc.

So have I, but that doesn't make Doctor Mario a good character for Smash.

 

[kingmario92]

It was a joke (hence the trollface)
My reference to 3rd party was to people like Suda51 who wants their own popular protagonist into the Smash Bros games too, in addition to extending other games like EB/Mo and DK which to me just to have a fair amount whereas Pokémon and Mario pretty much take up the most roster for an individual series.

I knew it was a joke actually.

Actually yeah, Travis Touchdown from No More Heroes would be a pretty cool addition. I've read somewhere that Suda51 would really like to see Travis in Smash Bros. You know else was like that? Metal Gear series creator: Hideo Kojima. Convenient right?

 

[Gune]

I knew it was a joke actually.

Actually yeah, Travis Touchdown from No More Heroes would be a pretty cool addition. I've read somewhere that Suda51 would really like to see Travis in Smash Bros. You know else was like that? Metal Gear series creator: Hideo Kojima. Convenient right?

New no more heros game confirmed... NO MORE ALL STARS THE DESPERATE BRAWL

 

[PK-Omelette]

I knew it was a joke actually.

Actually yeah, Travis Touchdown from No More Heroes would be a pretty cool addition. I've read somewhere that Suda51 would really like to see Travis in Smash Bros. You know else was like that? Metal Gear series creator: Hideo Kojima. Convenient right?

So of course I knew

 

[TheCreator]

Everytime I see Bomberman on someone's roster I can't take it seriously.

 

[PK-Omelette]

This forum reminds me of the sea. When a wave rises, the comments recede. When it crashes, the comments flood. When it is quiet, the comments recede once more to form a new wave.
Philosophical, yet metaphorically true.
...
I miss .hack and the Epitaph of the Twilight references...

 

[Arcadenik]

I would hate to see veteran fighters in paying DLCs. It just isn't fair to fans who have played as someone in previous Smash games. >_>

Well, then perhaps they should just stick with Melee/Brawl if they want to play as those cut characters whoever they may be... it isn't fair to embargo newcomers out of SSB4 just because the veterans were there first... because it means we never get to play as those newcomers in at least one Smash game whereas we did get to play as those old characters in 1-3 Smash games.

For example, while it is known that Sakurai did plan to add Marth, Roy, and Ike in Brawl... he faced time constraints and had to choose only two... should he have kept Marth and Roy and not add Ike just to please the Roy fans who liked him in Melee... or should he have cut Roy to make room for Ike to bring in a new face to the roster?

 

[Starbound]

It's better
And Toon Link can have a different move set entirely with different items. Makes more sense than just lazily cutting him.
*sigh* some people just don't understand the point of Toon Link.

So can Dr. Mario. Doesn't mean it's a good idea.

 

[Shorts]

So have I, but that doesn't make Doctor Mario a good character for Smash.

>He's already been in Smash

What you think makes a good character for Smash obviously doesn't matter. It's what Sakurai thinks. People around here need to humble their ideals and ideas about Smash because tbt, they don't actually matter to the game itself. That's why I really get sick of this site. I can't stand how "right" everyone thinks they are, or that there is some special way Smash rosters are chosen. It isn't that special. Sakurai picks characters he thinks are cool, or would be fun to play as...

that's really it. Our ideals mean nothing, and our opinions probably aren't that large of a factor into Smash decisions.

 

[TheCreator]

@ SaturnGamer, apperantly YOU don't understand the point of toon link.....no matter if we get toon link, young link, classic link, blue link, metal link, 8 bit link, or whatever kind of alternate link, they are always going to be a clone of the original link. This is a rule of Sakurai's, and it's because he views them as the same character.

This forum reminds me of the sea. When a wave rises, the comments recede. When it crashes, the comments flood. When it is quiet, the comments recede once more to form a new wave.
Philosophical, yet metaphorically true.
...
I miss .hack and the Epitaph of the Twilight references...

More mathematical than philosophical. Hardly philosophical. But VERY metaphorically true :D

 

[Hotfeet444]

And it's Done!

All the artwork, one video. I must say once again thank you for those who requested, and the new set of requests will be done by the end of next week.

I don't ask for much...just a thumbs up...please?

 

[Silverjay323]

@ SaturnGamer, apperantly YOU don't understand the point of toon link.....no matter if we get toon link, young link, classic link, blue link, metal link, 8 bit link, or whatever kind of alternate link, they are always going to be a clone of the original link. This is a rule of Sakurai's, and it's because he views them as the same character.

Difference is, both Toon Link and Young Link are more important to their franchise than Dr. Mario is or ever will be for that matter. Doesn't really make sense to compare the 2.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

@ SaturnGamer, apperantly YOU don't understand the point of toon link.....no matter if we get toon link, young link, classic link, blue link, metal link, 8 bit link, or whatever kind of alternate link, they are always going to be a clone of the original link. This is a rule of Sakurai's, and it's because he views them as the same character.

And yet you have no proof that says this will certainly be the same case in SSB4. And if you think Toon Link was added solely because he's a clone, that's pretty dumb and you obviously don't have a clue what the point of having Toon Link is.

So can Dr. Mario. Doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Dr. Mario has nothing from his game besides Pills. So no he can't. Unless you just MAKE UP a move set of stuff he doesn't use.

Continue to defend Toon Link, and put down Doc, but in terms of Smash, they're identicle. They're Mario/Links with extremely similar moves. That's it, nothing else. Toon Link may be a different "incarnation" of Link, but in Smash, he's still just a second Link like Doc is a secon Mario.

Just because you say they are, doesn't mean they are. That's not how it works.

And it's Done!

All the artwork, one video. I must say once again thank you for those who requested, and the new set of requests will be done by the end of next week.

I don't ask for much...just a thumbs up...please?

This is the best thing since "The Flowers of Robert Maple Thorpe"
(Just kidding, Imma give this video a like)

 

[Shorts]

Oh, and I still have slots open for my Japanese poll. So far the character list is:

Super Mario / Donkey Kong / Wario / Yoshi : Doc, Toad, B Junior, Waluigi, Paper Mario, Kamek, Mona, Syrup, Ashley, Dixie, K Rool

Legend Of Zelda: Young Link, Ghirahim, Impa, Majora, Tingle Midna

Kirby: Fluff, Gooey, Bandana Dee

Pokemon: Mewtwo, Pichu, Victini, Deoxys, Genesect, Sylveon, New Pokemon Trainer, Zoroark, Meowth, Plusle & Minun

Metroid: Ridley, Dark Samus, Anthony Higgs

StarFox: Krystal, Slippy

Mother: Kumatora, Porky, Claus / Masked Man

F-Zero: Shadow, Goroh

Fire Emblem: Roy, Micaiah, Black Knight, Caeda, Lyn, Lucina, Chrom, Anna, Avatar, Tharja

Others: Balloon Fighter, Elza, Isaac, Lip, Little Mac, Magnus, Medusa, Palutena, Mii, Ray MK, Saki, Starfy, Shulk, Sukapan, Takamaru, Mach Rider, Excitebiker

Third Party: Bomberman, Simon Belmont, Nightmare, Heihachi, Pac-Man, Slime, Chocobo, Black Mage, Geno, Layton, Jill Valantine, Ryu, Lloyd

Anyone else have a character they'd like to see Japanese Smashers be able to vote for?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Slight Update! Roster Version 4.8! (NEW! comes complete with the best Paper Mario move set ever! See at bottom of post!)

Updates: Removal of Shulk, Mii counts as a slot. This is due to it being unlikely that we have 51 characters. But, I still think Shulk has a slight chance of making it as a playable character.

Noticeable Differences:

Matthew - Most people have Issac, as he appears in all the titles. I have Matthew because it seems he has replaced Issac's role and is mostly a reboot of him. This will be a more relevant way of representing Golden Sun. But both are very likely, but I go with Matthew.

Starfy - Starfy is one of the most likely, he's had 3 GBA installments, a 4th on DS, and a fifth western release on DS. He has become a pretty big Nintendo All-Star and has a lot of Move Set Potential. I suggest others add him.

Sheriff - He was the first Nintendo game (not counting Computer Othello.) as well as an international arcade title, he can represent the arcade and his status of recognition is similar to that of Ice Climbers.

Mewtwo - Mewtwo will return. There is no question about it. What will be of his upgraded awakened form though. My guess is that you earn this through battle or Final Smash and maybe lose it when KO'd. Footage of the movie: "Extreme Speed Genesect: Mewtwo's Awakening" that this new form is in fact more powerful and faster. He only changes back to Mewtwo when he is weakened or done fighting. So it makes sense to be a form that you earn, but don't keep forever as it's powers are limited.

Genesect - My newest addition. I didn't add Genesect because he's a new Pokemon, I added him because we need a Pokemon that hasn't already been playable. Genesect fits the description Sakurai gave on how he adds Pokemon characters. Genesect being in SSB seems very likely and has so much potential. I was going to replace JigglyPuff with Eevee, but so far I haven't figured out how to make that concept work without excluding evolutions.

Paper Mario - Bowser Jr is very likely to be the 5th Mario rep, but I see Paper Mario to be more preferred and unique. It just seems like the more logical choice.

Bomberman - Konami has recently acquired one of the most popular/iconic third-party characters from the deceased Hudson Soft. Bomberman has had as much affiliation with Nintendo as any of the third-parties if not more and has had games on practically every game machine since NES. It hasn't been confirmed that third-parties like Snake will return and Sakurai and Konami may want to make use of this character especially since we can expect a new age of Bomberman due to his recent buyout of a major gaming company.

Snake - Most games that have guest characters usually only have them once. If any game does that it should be Smash Bros. I'm sure Sakurai may want to prioritize Nintendo Characters in a Nintendo fighting game, and not have too many Third-Parties. We could have Sonic, Snake, and Mega Man, and though it's hard to imagine SSB without Sonic, there is the possibility either 3 will be too many and Sakurai may want a second third-party to have a chance. I just don't see third-parties as veterans, but Sonic seems too popular to leave. (I know Snake was added as a favor, but it was a request for him to make an appearance, not be a veteran for life. That'd be a pretty huge favor)

Lucario/JigglyPuff - It's likely due to Mewtwo being higher priority, more popular, and easily has similar yet better abilites than Lucario, that he may replace him. However it's likely JigglyPuff could be replaced due to being not as relevant as the old days. I howver have JigglyPuff because she is a fairy Pokemon and her abilities are more unique from Mewtwo than Lucario's are. I think it's important for each Pokemon to be as different from each other as much as possible and Lucario may not be AS popular as he was during Brawl.


Mii - I think it's obvious he will use moves from Wii Sports, Wii Party, StreetPass Quest, and maybe even Pilot Wings Resort.

Costumes:

Villagette - I predict half of Villagers colors will be Boy, and the other half will be girl.

Dry Bowser - Either 1 costume or a second set like Wario & Villager.

If you have opinions or constructive Criticism, please give suggestions below.

(Credit to Ariand/AEM for making the Icons of Palutena, Little Mac, Sheriff, and Mii)

NEW! Official Paper Mario Move Set by SaturnGamer64!

Spoiler

Special Animations:

Entrance: Unfolds
Jump 1: Normal jump animation
Jump 2-5: Parakarry
Mid-Air Dodge: Bow
Rolling Animation: Vivian. Takes Mario underground and comes back up where his roll animation would end.
Swimming: Sushie OR Paper Boat
Sheild: When using sheild, Mario ducks pulling his hat over his head as he does in the game.
Duck: Folds himself
Holding Item: Paper Mario is the first character to hold an item above his head in traditional video game fashion.
Grab: Uses the Pixl; Thoreu. This is a long range grab.
Holding Jump in Mid-air: This turns Paper Mario into an Airplane.

Actual Moves:

A: Punch
AA: Punch, Punch
AAA: Punch, Punch, Hammer

F-tilt: Flip Flop Sticker
D-tilt: Tanooki Tail Sticker
U-tilt: Spiny Hat Sticker

U-throw: Uses Thoreu to throw character upwards.
D-throw: Throws character down and rolls up into a tube form, then proceeds to grind back and forth on the character.
F-throw: Hits the character sideways with a hammer.


N-air: Crumples up into ball just like Wolf & Sonic's N-Air attack.
U-air: Boomer. This Pixl explodes
F-air: Watt. Mario Holds out Watt and he shocks characters obviously
D-air: Spinning Ground Pound

Running attack: Trips and falls. (Same animation used when entering a battle in the first Paper Mario)

U-smash: Fire Flower Sticker. Charge it and Fireballs spit out the top of the flower.
D-smash: Bombette. The longer you charge, the further Bombette walks.
F-smash: Slap Hammer, charging this makes Mario do a spin attack with his hammer.

Neutral-B: Hammer. You charge this attack, if you charge it too long, the head falls off causing only 1% damage. The head can be picked up and thrown as an item.
Forward-B: HurlHammer (BaaHammer, BurnHammer, ChillHammer) A different Hammer is thrown each time, the BaaHammer making you fall asleep, The ChillHammer freezes you, and the BurnHammer burns you.
Down-B: Kooper/Koops. Works as it does in game. You kick the shell and it comes back to you, Like the game it does not fall of cliffs and it can pick up items.
Up-B: Barry. This Pixl creates a Spiky Barrier around Paper Mario. This move is limited and must be charged similar to R.O.B.'s beam and Wario's Fart.

U-Taunt: Kersti
D-Taunt: Focus
F-Taunt: Appeal
Special Taunt: Goombette comes out and does an analysis of the opponent just like Fox, Falco, and Snake.

FINAL SMASH: Star Spirits

 

[Silverjay323]

Oh, and I still have slots open for my Japanese poll. So far the character list is:

Super Mario / Donkey Kong / Wario / Yoshi : Doc, Toad, B Junior, Waluigi, Paper Mario, Kamek, Mona, Syrup, Ashley, Dixie, K Rool

Legend Of Zelda: Young Link, Ghirahim, Impa, Majora, Tingle Midna

Kirby: Fluff, Gooey, Bandana Dee

Pokemon: Mewtwo, Pichu, Victini, Deoxys, Genesect, Sylveon, New Pokemon Trainer, Zoroark, Meowth, Plusle & Minun

Metroid: Ridley, Dark Samus, Anthony Higgs

StarFox: Krystal, Slippy

F-Zero: Shadow, Goroh

Fire Emblem: Roy, Micaiah, Black Knight, Caeda, Lyn, Lucina, Chrom, Anna, Avatar, Tharja

Others: Balloon Fighter, Elza, Isaac, Lip, Little Mac, Magnus, Medusa, Palutena, Mii, Ray MK, Saki, Starfy, Shulk, Sukapan, Takamaru, Mach Rider, Excitebiker

Third Party: Bomberman, Simon Belmont, Nightmare, Heihachi, Pac-Man, Slime, Chocobo, Black Mage, Geno, Layton, Jill Valantine, Ryu, Lloyd

Anyone else have a character they'd like to see Japanese Smashers be able to vote for?

Mother characters: Ninten, Porky, Maked Man, Jeff, Boney

 

[Shorts]

How are Doc and Toon Link different within' Smash?

How?

I want to hear.

You do realize Toon Link is a filler character, just like Young Link and Doc were right? He's one of the last characters added to Brawl.

 

[TheCreator]

And yet you have no proof that says this will certainly be the same case in SSB4. And if you think Toon Link was added solely because he's a clone, that's pretty dumb and you obviously don't have a clue what the point of having Toon Link is.

I don't think that he'll be added solely because he is a clone and never said anything like that, I don't know how that got in your head. I said if he makes it he will be a clone, as with any other version of link that may make it. And some pretty good proof is the fact that it's always been this way and that he has shown that this is how he feels over and over.

Dr. Mario has nothing from his game besides Pills. So no he can't. Unless you just MAKE UP a move set of stuff he doesn't use.

But he does do other things. Because he is mario. He does everything mario does.

Just because you say they are, doesn't mean they are. That's not how it works.
Truthfully, he is right they're pretty identical. Different versions of the same character, and will always be clones.

All this said, I don't see how these facts can add to or deduct from their chances other than having them be obvious targets for low priority.

 

[Shorts]

Mother characters: Ninten, Porky, Maked Man, Jeff, Boney

Oh I forgot them. I have Porky, Claus/Masked Man, and Kumatora. I'll add Ninten for sure.