Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Hotfeet444]

For the courtesy of others tired of reading Noah drama, I'll just be collapsing this all. If you're still interested however, read on. Shameless? Sure. Long? Probably too long. Worth getting out? You're damn right.

Spoiler

Dude, I said I was done. You want to start quoting PMs in public? I can play your game right back. This is no longer about your faulty logic or sub-par rosters. This is about you.

I'm not about to get into any more of your goddamn whining when you aren't even here to debate. You're here to prance around saying whatever comes into your head. It doesn't matter what you say, as long as you say something back, you're still winning the argument, and frankly I'm tired of that. I'm not about to waste my valuable time arguing with someone who won't even acknowledge anything I say as remotely plausible. I've given you countless chances. I've stood by in our public and private conversations looking for that redeeming factor in you nobody else sees. Maybe he's misunderstood. Maybe he's just being picked on after having a rough start, I told myself... But no, you have literally shown me that you are as self-centered, arrogant, and ****-sure as you are on first impression.

You can't answer the most simple of questions without having to justify yourself as still on top. You can't spare a single shred of courtesy for the others around you. Hell, you can't even admit your own flaws. The times you've said people have insulted you and posted reaction gifs to what you've said is unbelievably hypocritical considering how much you do it yourself. It's outright narcissistic, the way you project your own shortcomings onto others without even acknowledging your own. I'm hard-headed, a little obsessive, and quick to anger. I'd make a horrible tolerance counselor. I've said my fair share of dumb things on the forum, and I've been proven wrong by others before. But you know what? I can accept that. The day I see you accept your own weaknesses is the day I can power a microwave with the amount of shock I feel.

I don't know you in real life, and I hopefully I never will. The sheer amount of disregard you hold for others online makes me think you're probably rude as a person as well if this is how you let strangers see yourself simply because you can. No, I'm sure you have a great personality because you can manage to get half a forum to hate you. I'm sure your parents are absolutely proud that you paid 3 bucks to get a premium account on a forum you only go to to blow whatever comes to mind out your ***. Maybe that's how you were raised, but the way I go on the internet, it's entirely different. Go online, mind my manners, talk about a video game, make some friends, put up with the rest. I don't think it's far off to say many other humans here follow the same ideology. So when a group of people have to up with your **** simply because you can, you're being a pile of scum on the internet. You can't justify your behavior as acceptable simply because you don't know us. That's what trolls do, which you so ironically hate yet claim not to be.

So no, Noah. You're not on the same level as I. You lack the social tactness, the common sense, the understanding of when an argument is no longer a debate, and the ability to tolerate victories beyond your own. You contribute nothing worthwhile to the forum aside from unneeded drama, and you make the Prediction Thread your own toilet rather than a place where others can say something you disagree with without it being **** all over. So let us leave on this note. I think you're simply the worst piece of gray-matter to ever tread the forums and I hope that you really do have good things going for you in real life, because I don't see a mind as enclosed as yours having any bright future on the forums. I don't want to talk to you or even hear about you again, because I can tell that this anger I have for you isn't good for my health. I can be devoting my energies to something much healthier, like contributing to discussion rather than bickering with you, instead.

With that, I'm done. Set me on ignore, report me for flaming you, I don't care anymore. I got all that out and that's all I'll ever need.

**** you and everything about you.
Sincerely, GRC

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Now that I got that mess out of the way and Noah set on ignore, what else is there to say?

I believe Metal Gear Solid 3D Snake Eater was 3DS exclusive and wasn't on the PS Vita, though I could be wrong. The fact that it's a somewhat recent game works in his favor, especially since it's not just The Twin Snakes re-ported to a Nintendo handheld.

With the popularity he had in Brawl and the close ties between Masahiro and Hideo, I'm sure Snake won't be such a low priority this time around.

...Can I give you a high five for that? No seriously, you deserve some recognition. That was incredibly beautiful and true. No seriously, kudos to you, you deserve something in return. What do you want? A drawing? Something else?

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

...Can I give you a high five for that? No seriously, you deserve some recognition. That was incredibly beautiful and true. No seriously, kudos to you, you deserve something in return. What do you want? A drawing? Something else?

I'm flattered. Honestly, as long as one other person out there knows what I'm feeling from having the put up with Noah, I'm thrilled to have said what I did.

 

[SchAlternate]

I don't get it why people would want a character transformations that only alters stats. If Mewtwo ever becomes a Zelda-type character, his transformation would not only change in stats, but moveset overall. Of course, since Mewtwo and Newtwo aren't as vastly different from each other as are Zelda and Sheik, they will share some moves. But at least they should have different specials.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater may not be on the Vita, but it's still a game that came out 9 years ago on the PS2. Konami make a main-series game for MGS on PS/Xbox, make all the money they can off it, then release the same game with extra bells and whistles years down the line on a Nintendo console.

EDIT: In fact, Snake Eater is on the Vita, because Vita got the Metal Gear Solid collection, which includes MGS2 and MGS3.

But it is not the same version as the vita one, it has many different aspects including a new crouch walk mechanic that was taken from MGS4 and peacewalker that isnt present in any other version.

But either way why should the quality and amount of games whether they are main entries or not matter at all?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

(yellow is my text, and behind brackets in case the color doesn't display)

@ Swampasaur (white is my text, red is Swampasaur.)

ALSO, Mewtwo's transformation would have to be in 1 second for this to work properly, and we know that's not the time it takes for him to transform. Actually Mewtwo changes form pretty quick. Go check the anime special.

It's just not worth it. It makes more sense to implement all of it into one single character. How so? A fun and unique playstyle isn't worth it?

Sheilding is not the same as switching between 2 forms.


How would that be a chore? It's pressing on button IF you want to change. But, why would you want to, it's really not gonna highten or lower your chances of victory or defeat by a noticeable amount. And before I go further, you're coming up with ideas for this. In order for this to work Sakurai has to be mutually thinking that Mewtwo can do all the same things you're suggesting. You're being so specific in how it works. Where does the predicting come in? Why do you predict Sakurai wants to do exactly this?Just because he hasn't done it before?

This is still an IDEA that everybody on Smashboards seems to like, we need to remember this is an idea and not a prediction. We don't even know much about Newtwo so how can we consider this a prediction? (he INTENDED for it to be an idea. It seems you skipped to the conclusion that he was predicting it would happen, he's not saying it's likely to happen)


Now THAT would be kinda boring. So is every character boring, now because they don't do that?

Again this IDEA should be for customization, not this one character. (no, Mewtwo would actually make sense as a transforming character, it would be cool for this being with two forms to make good use of both it's forms. He's saying it would be disappointing if Mewtwo only used one of it's forms for the epic combos and powers)


if Mewtwo is heavily damaged he could stay in his normal form so that he had a higher chance of surviving due to increased weight. If a good item appears on the other side of the stage, Mewtwo could switch to the Awakened form and get the item due to increased speed. Right, but in the end you'd be slown down, by the time your done transforming, someone else is running towards that item. If you're Mewtwo I highly doubt you couldn't get to the item in time. Being Newtwo is not essential to acheive that unless you suggest Mewtwo is extremely faster, but weaker than any character and Newtwo is extremely slower, but stronger than any character. Again this is going on assumptions that Sakurai has the same idea you guys invented.

Actually Mewtwo changes form pretty quick. Not quick enough, shall I time it? Assuming they didn't do clip cuts to make it seem like he transforms really fast so the trailer isn't long? (the speed of the transformation in the anime isn't that important, Zelda transforming into Sheik and vice versa takes a shorter time than when she transformed from Sheik into Zelda in Ocarina of Time, why should it be more important for Mewtwo?)


How so? A fun and unique playstyle isn't worth it? What you described doesn't sound very fun or unique to me.(that's your opinion, Noah)

What you are describing is more complicated than it needs to be and in the end is still just an IDEA.

GAH! The color refuses to show up, just look for Brackets.

 

[CalumG]

I dunno, I like the idea of a stat-changing B move - now that we've got Zelda/Sheik, Samus/Zero-Suit and Pokemon Trainer, the whole character switch-out thing isn't big or clever anymore. If they're gonna have another transformer, they need to have a fresh take on the idea, like with each of the above three.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I'm flattered. Honestly, as long as one other person out there knows what I'm feeling from having the put up with Noah, I'm thrilled to have said what I did.

I'm pretty sure a majority of people on this forum knows how you're feeling, and I give you kudos for having the balls to say it, most would probably let it pass and regret the chances later on, but you did what you did and you deserve some respect for it. Now then, I was serious about the drawing thing BTW.

 

[CalumG]

But it is not the same version as the vita one, it has many different aspects including a new crouch walk mechanic that was taken from MGS4 and peacewalker that isnt present in any other version.

But either way why should the quality and amount of games whether they are main entries or not matter at all?

It matters because it shows that Konami don't take Nintendo platforms very seriously when it comes to one of their biggest franchises. When Konami treats Nintendo like a second-rate platform for Metal Gear Solid, why should Nintendo treat Snake as a big, respectable Nintendo star?

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I'm pretty sure a majority of people on this forum knows how you're feeling, and I give you kudos for having the balls to say it, most would probably let it pass and regret the chances later on, but you did what you did and you deserve some respect for it. Now then, I was serious about the drawing thing BTW.

Draw a Fronk and Pyoro as back-to-back badasses for me then, please.

I dunno, I like the idea of a stat-changing B move - now that we've got Zelda/Sheik, Samus/Zero-Suit and Pokemon Trainer, the whole character switch-out thing isn't big or clever anymore. If they're gonna have another transformer, they need to have a fresh take on the idea, like with each of the above three.

This. It can be really interesting to see how the momentum flows back and forth between using a speedy characters versus a more bulky one mid-fight. This is the best way for that without simply recycling Zelda's niche.

 

[Reznor]

My Jigglypuff has been destorying in my FireRed nuzlocke right now so I wanna know what you guys think is the chance of Jiggs returning because I've heard people saying she won't get in because shes low prioraty but then people saying shes a fairy type so its hard to know her chances

my Jiggs is named Bubbles one of the 2 pokemon on my party the others died from crits (damn you machop) and just noticed if you remove the p from machop you get Macho wow i'm slow

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

It matters because it shows that Konami don't take Nintendo platforms very seriously when it comes to one of their biggest franchises. When Konami treats Nintendo like a second-rate platform for Metal Gear Solid, why should Nintendo treat Snake as a big, respectable Nintendo star?

They still have games there though, it doesnt mean they have to kiss rump on a constant basis and in massive ways to show support. Why cant third parties just be big name characters to gaming in general? They have ties to nintendo either way, and regardless of how big some may think of that as the main factor it definitely isnt their biggest deciding factors.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Draw a Fronk and Pyoro as back-to-back badasses for me then, please.

This. It can be really interesting to see how the momentum flows back and forth between using a speedy characters versus a more bulky one mid-fight. This is the best way for that without simply recycling Zelda's niche.

But of course...but might I ask...who are Fronk and Pyoro?

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

But of course...but might I ask...who are Fronk and Pyoro?

Fronk.

Pyoro.

Both minor WarioWare characters that have appeared in nearly every game of the series. The former is there to see whatever's going on. The latter eats beans from a long distance using his very long bird-tongue.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Fronk.

Pyoro.

Both minor WarioWare characters that have appeared in nearly every game of the series. The former is there to see whatever's going on. The latter eats beans from a long distance using his very long bird-tongue.

Alright then consider it done.

And with that, I'm off, for I'm extremely tired. G'night all!

 

[KingofPhantoms]

For the courtesy of others tired of reading Noah drama, I'll just be collapsing this all. If you're still interested however, read on. Shameless? Sure. Long? Probably too long. Worth getting out? You're damn right.

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Dude, I said I was done. You want to start quoting PMs in public? I can play your game right back. This is no longer about your faulty logic or sub-par rosters. This is about you.

I'm not about to get into any more of your goddamn whining when you aren't even here to debate. You're here to prance around saying whatever comes into your head. It doesn't matter what you say, as long as you say something back, you're still winning the argument, and frankly I'm tired of that. I'm not about to waste my valuable time arguing with someone who won't even acknowledge anything I say as remotely plausible. I've given you countless chances. I've stood by in our public and private conversations looking for that redeeming factor in you nobody else sees. Maybe he's misunderstood. Maybe he's just being picked on after having a rough start, I told myself... But no, you have literally shown me that you are as self-centered, arrogant, and ****-sure as you are on first impression.

You can't answer the most simple of questions without having to justify yourself as still on top. You can't spare a single shred of courtesy for the others around you. Hell, you can't even admit your own flaws. The times you've said people have insulted you and posted reaction gifs to what you've said is unbelievably hypocritical considering how much you do it yourself. It's outright narcissistic, the way you project your own shortcomings onto others without even acknowledging your own. I'm hard-headed, a little obsessive, and quick to anger. I'd make a horrible tolerance counselor. I've said my fair share of dumb things on the forum, and I've been proven wrong by others before. But you know what? I can accept that. The day I see you accept your own weaknesses is the day I can power a microwave with the amount of shock I feel.

I don't know you in real life, and I hopefully I never will. The sheer amount of disregard you hold for others online makes me think you're probably rude as a person as well if this is how you let strangers see yourself simply because you can. No, I'm sure you have a great personality because you can manage to get half a forum to hate you. I'm sure your parents are absolutely proud that you paid 3 bucks to get a premium account on a forum you only go to to blow whatever comes to mind out your ***. Maybe that's how you were raised, but the way I go on the internet, it's entirely different. Go online, mind my manners, talk about a video game, make some friends, put up with the rest. I don't think it's far off to say many other humans here follow the same ideology. So when a group of people have to up with your **** simply because you can, you're being a pile of scum on the internet. You can't justify your behavior as acceptable simply because you don't know us. That's what trolls do, which you so ironically hate yet claim not to be.

So no, Noah. You're not on the same level as I. You lack the social tactness, the common sense, the understanding of when an argument is no longer a debate, and the ability to tolerate victories beyond your own. You contribute nothing worthwhile to the forum aside from unneeded drama, and you make the Prediction Thread your own toilet rather than a place where others can say something you disagree with without it being **** all over. So let us leave on this note. I think you're simply the worst piece of gray-matter to ever tread the forums and I hope that you really do have good things going for you in real life, because I don't see a mind as enclosed as yours having any bright future on the forums. I don't want to talk to you or even hear about you again, because I can tell that this anger I have for you isn't good for my health. I can be devoting my energies to something much healthier, like contributing to discussion rather than bickering with you, instead.

With that, I'm done. Set me on ignore, report me for flaming you, I don't care anymore. I got all that out and that's all I'll ever need.

**** you and everything about you.
Sincerely, GRC

...

You have done a great act of justice to the Smashboards today.

I wish we could all repay you in some way.

 

[SchAlternate]

I dunno, I like the idea of a stat-changing B move - now that we've got Zelda/Sheik, Samus/Zero-Suit and Pokemon Trainer, the whole character switch-out thing isn't big or clever anymore. If they're gonna have another transformer, they need to have a fresh take on the idea, like with each of the above three.

Again, since Mewtwo and Awakened M. share minor differences with each other compared to Zelda and Sheik, I wouldn't mind if the differences in gameplay were minimal. But at least let them have (slightly) different specials, or have their attacks have different animations (especially for attacks that uses Mewtwo's tail)

 

[TheLastJinjo]

My Jigglypuff has been destorying in my FireRed nuzlocke right now so I wanna know what you guys think is the chance of Jiggs returning because I've heard people saying she won't get in because shes low prioraty but then people saying shes a fairy type so its hard to know her chances

my Jiggs is named Bubbles one of the 2 pokemon on my party the others died from crits (damn you machop) and just noticed if you remove the p from machop you get Macho wow i'm slow

.........I haven't played Pokemon in years! I think that's the next game I want to play, I played the Gameboy gen 1 when I was a kid, and the GBA when I was a little older.

I'm thinking if I should:

• Buy Soul Silver on DS
• Buy Pokemon X (no way that's gonna happen)
• or just play the GB Silver I have lying around.

Zelda transforming into Sheik and vice versa takes a shorter time than when she transformed from Sheik into Zelda in Ocarina of Time

When was the last time you played Ocarina of Time?

(he INTENDED for it to be an idea. It seems you skipped to the conclusion that he was predicting it would happen, he's not saying it's likely to happen)

How can you blame me if it's on everyone's prediction roster and when Ariand/AEM is talking about how it's going to happen.

 

[CalumG]

Again, since Mewtwo and Awakened M. share minor differences with each other compared to Zelda and Sheik, I wouldn't mind if the differences in gameplay were minimal. But at least let them have (slightly) different specials, or have their attacks have different animations (especially for attacks that uses Mewtwo's tail)

Oh, this I can agree with. They still wouldn't be the same character - it'd effectively, for lack of a better way of describing it, be like transforming from Mewtwo into a Mewtwo clone, or Link and Toon Link (if we put aside for a second that nobody would ever transform back into Link due to how much better Toon is). Differing animations, different hitboxes, different weight and speed and force - but the crux of each move at it's most basic level is fundamentally the same.

 

[3Bismyname]

My Jigglypuff has been destorying in my FireRed nuzlocke right now so I wanna know what you guys think is the chance of Jiggs returning because I've heard people saying she won't get in because shes low prioraty but then people saying shes a fairy type so its hard to know her chances

my Jiggs is named Bubbles one of the 2 pokemon on my party the others died from crits (damn you machop) and just noticed if you remove the p from machop you get Macho wow i'm slow

i think she could still be considered lower priority. lets face it, by comparison to a lot of characters in Smash, she is expendable in a way. that said im still sure she'll make it in the end

 

[KingofPhantoms]

My posts are behind brackets again. (except for that last sentance)

When was the last time you played Ocarina of Time? (I've watched the cutscene not long ago, it takes Sheik 7 seconds to transform, in Smash it takes 1 to 4 seconds)



How can you blame me if it's on everyone's prediction roster and when Ariand/AEM is talking about how it's going to happen? (fixed your lack of a question mark. You still can't jump to the conclusion without even asking if they intended for it to be an idea or a prediction)

Either way, God Robert's Cousin has done a great act of justice, and I'm ending this conversation here. I'm not going to get stuck in an argument with you like, to my knowledge, nearly everyone else on this thread has.

 

[Reznor]

.........I haven't played Pokemon in years! I think that's the next game I want to play, I played the Gameboy gen 1 when I was a kid, and the GBA when I was a little older.

I'm thinking if I should:

• Buy Soul Silver on DS
• Buy Pokemon X (no way that's gonna happen)
• or just play the GB Silver I have lying around.

soul Silver is a great game better than the original (mostly because of the special physical split)
why won't you but Pokemon X?
the battery is probably dead so you can't save

i think she could still be considered lower priority. lets face it, by comparison to a lot of characters in Smash, she is expendable in a way. that said im still sure she'll make it in the end

I think the following 3 reasons are good reasons why she should be in game
1. she is a fairy type she is relevant again
2. easy to program so less time on making characters
3. one of the original 12 and all 12 should be in every game

 

[3Bismyname]

I think the following 3 reasons are good reasons why she should be in game
1. she is a fairy type she is relevant again
2. easy to program so less time on making characters
3. one of the original 12 and all 12 should be in every game

the second reason is why i primarily think she'll still make it in the end. but she isnt the highest of priorities

 

[TheLastJinjo]

My posts are behind brackets again. (except for that last sentance)


Either way, God Robert's Cousin has done a great act of justice, and I'm ending this conversation here. I'm not going to get stuck in an argument with you like, to my knowledge, nearly everyone else on this thread has.

I wouldn't know as I have him on ignore. But, it seems you have followed him in the ways of not answering to stuff you don't want to be wrong about.

 

[Reznor]

the second reason is why i primarily think she'll still make it in the end. but she isnt the highest of priorities

i'm not saying shes a high priority character i'm just saying she still has a chance to be in game and ya the second reason is probably her best chance to get into smash4

I wouldn't know as I have him on ignore. But, it seems you have followed him in the ways of not answering to stuff you don't want to be wrong about.

well he burned you in one of his posts like a really bad burn I say keep him on ignore it might make ya feel bad

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I wouldn't know as I have him on ignore. But, it seems you have followed him in the ways of not answering to stuff you don't want to be wrong about.

Words in bold are better applied to yourself.

Fare thee well.

well he burned you in one of his posts like a really bad burn I say keep him on ignore it might make ya feel bad

Not like he's actually going to show his true reaction to it on this site.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

well he burned you in one of his posts like a really bad burn I say keep him on ignore it might make ya feel bad

Let, me guess, he probably went on a giant hypocritical post rambling about how SaturnGamer is always right, and how robert is so perfect and doesn't do anything he claims I do. and all his reasons are right and all of mine are wrong and anytime I post something that proves his side flawed it's not listening to what he says. All he really does is complain and never really continues any debate he doesn't want to be wrong about.

I wouldn't expect anything better.

 

[CalumG]

They still have games there though, it doesnt mean they have to kiss rump on a constant basis and in massive ways to show support. Why cant third parties just be big name characters to gaming in general? They have ties to nintendo either way, and regardless of how big some may think of that as the main factor it definitely isnt their biggest deciding factors.

Well, this is why I say he's well within possibility to be removed - not that he will be. Assuming that the amount of spots on the roster are limited (as Sakurai ever-so-frequently suggests) and taking his "third parties are special exceptions" rule literally, it wouldn't be a stretch by any means to make the assumption that Sakurai would remove Snake for a character for the sake of one that is more important to Nintendo, or has more to offer moveset-wise. The roster is a delicate balancing act between keeping as many veterans possible, adding the right amount of newcomers, and not stretching their development resources too far, so whilst I can't see that they'd remove a significant portion of Brawl's roster (any more than 4 chars), if they do choose to remove people it's not a massive leap of faith to assume Snake would be one of the more likely to go, purely on the basis of limited roster slots and his relatively lackluster contribution to Nintendo or Nintendo lore.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Let, me guess, he probably went on a giant hypocritical post rambling about how SaturnGamer is always right, and how robert is so perfect and doesn't do anything he claims I do. and all his reasons are right and all of mine are wrong and anytime I post something that proves his side flawed it's not listening to what he says. All he really does is complain and never really continues any debate he doesn't want to be wrong about.

I wouldn't expect anything better.

You just described yourself near perfectly, just take what you said about GRC and apply it to yourself.

(clicks on the ignore button)

 

[Gune]

Im bored so im uploading my roster in the works not really my favorite picks to choose but i have been listening to you guys and I think this might be a good one that alot of people can agree on.

So like it? Yes? No? Maybe so? Or is there something you think could be changed?

 

[LaniusShrike]

@Everybody.

So... I'm sure we were talking about something Smash related at some point...

Yeah, I think Jiggs is safe, though I'm always confused when I hear that she was considered a low priority for Brawl. She's a super-veteran, if we lose any of the N64 characters I'm gonna be shocked.

Besides, she's kind of the joke character of Smash. Or, rather, the Killer Joke character (back when her rest attack was worthwhile to pull off, at least.)

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Im bored so im uploading my roster in the works not really my favorite picks to choose but i have been listening to you guys and I think this might be a good one that alot of people can agree on.
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So like it? Yes? No? Maybe so? Or is there something you think could be changed?

Me likes.

All it's missing is Dixie Kong and Ridley, and I personally think this would be a pretty good roster.

I'm still personally hoping for Waddle Dee though, also Plusle and Minun.

@Everybody.

So... I'm sure we were talking about something Smash related at some point...

Yeah, I think Jiggs is safe, though I'm always confused when I hear that she was considered a low priority for Brawl. She's a super-veteran, if we lose any of the N64 characters I'm gonna be shocked.

Besides, she's kind of the joke character of Smash. Or, rather, the Killer Joke character (back when her rest attack was worthwhile to pull off, at least.)

Same here. Some say Jigglypuff has stayed long over her welcome, but I disagree. All characters from the very first game deserve to stay until the series comes to an end. Even if they say she shouldn't have been brought back after the first game, it's too late to change it now. She has a fine moveset, and I see no reason for her to be removed at this point.

 

[Gune]

@Everybody.

So... I'm sure we were talking about something Smash related at some point...

Yeah, I think Jiggs is safe, though I'm always confused when I hear that she was considered a low priority for Brawl. She's a super-veteran, if we lose any of the N64 characters I'm gonna be shocked.

Besides, she's kind of the joke character of Smash. Or, rather, the Killer Joke character (back when her rest attack was worthwhile to pull off, at least.)

I dont really know jiggs has been here since the begging it apparently there was some low priority junk going on so thats only reason people think shes despensable but in my Opinion unique movesets need to stay they make the game have more variety this definitly inculdes jiggs as she was the first joke charecter with a unique and charming moveset.

 

[Deleted member]

Anyone who actually thinks Sakurai cares about how Snake "isn't important to Nintendo" really doesn't know what they are talking about.

If he did he wouldn't have added Snake in the first place. He wasn't under any legal obligation and could have just said "No Kojima, I cannot include a non-Nintendo character that is more associated with Nintendo's competitor Sony in a series about Nintendo's All-Stars. I hope you and your son can understand this."

Notably, higher-ups at Nintendo were against the idea distinctly because they felt Snake was too "Sony" and wouldn't fit, yet Sakurai, being his own man and the one in charge of the project, went through with it.
Why? Because he felt like helping out a friend's request, and because he clearly saw potential for an interesting fighter within Snake.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Anyone who actually thinks Sakurai cares about how Snake "isn't important to Nintendo" really doesn't know what they are talking about.

If he did he wouldn't have added Snake in the first place. He wasn't under any legal obligation and could have just said "No Kojima, I cannot include a non-Nintendo character that is more associated with Nintendo's competitor Sony in a series about Nintendo's All-Stars. I hope you and your son can understand this."

Notably, higher-ups at Nintendo were against the idea distinctly because they felt Snake was too "Sony" and wouldn't fit, yet Sakurai, being his own man and the one in charge of the project, went through with it.
Why? Because he felt like helping out a friend's request, and because he clearly saw potential for an interesting fighter within Snake.

This is precisely why I feel Snake is going to stay. Do you guys really think Sakurai would straight up tell his friend to screw off like that? I would surely think not.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

They still have games there though, it doesnt mean they have to kiss rump on a constant basis and in massive ways to show support. Why cant third parties just be big name characters to gaming in general? They have ties to nintendo either way, and regardless of how big some may think of that as the main factor it definitely isnt their biggest deciding factors.

Well Konami should support Nintendo more

 

[shinhed-echi]

Im bored so im uploading my roster in the works not really my favorite picks to choose but i have been listening to you guys and I think this might be a good one that alot of people can agree on.
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So like it? Yes? No? Maybe so? Or is there something you think could be changed?

It's alright.
I would change certain things, but they're no big deal.

But if you must know...

Spoiler

Bowser Jr. is kind of unneeded imho. This is obviously subjective, but if there's any other Mario character that deserves a spot, that's Toad. He's been playable several times, and is pretty important to the franchise. I can't imagine a single Mario game without him.
(And to debunk the "Peach already has him as part of her moves", just remember Tron Bonne in MvC2 where Servebot was also playable)

Toon Zelda is also kind of unneeded. Toon Link's role is just to be a clone to Link because some people preferred a faster version of him. Zelda's faster version of herself is Sheik, so having two more versions of Zelda is quadruply redundant)

Other than that, I think everything's fine.
Everything else is pretty likely and likeable.

I normally don't go telling people what to remove from their rosters because.. well it's theirs.. but I'm kinda bored lately. The Saku-pics aren't really helping quench my thirst for new info on the game either. (Also, you asked for critique, so... critique I shall.) :D

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Well Konami should support Nintendo more

That may be so. But I don't think that that is the point. Sakurai was approached by Kojima, not Konami as a company. Snake got in based on a friendship. Obviously a very strong one if he is willing to go against his employer to defend the idea of having Solid Snake, iconic character of a predominantly Sony series, in a predominantly Nintendo fighting game.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

That may be so. But I don't think that that is the point. Sakurai was approached by Kojima, not Konami as a company. Snake got in based on a friendship. Obviously a very strong one if he is willing to go against his employer to defend the idea of having Solid Snake, iconic character of a predominantly Sony series, in a predominantly Nintendo fighting game.

I wasn't even really referring to anything Smash Bros. I just mean they should support them more.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I wasn't even really referring to anything Smash Bros. I just mean they should support them more.

Yea I figured. I was just building off of what you said really lol.

 

[TheCreator]

Im bored so im uploading my roster in the works not really my favorite picks to choose but i have been listening to you guys and I think this might be a good one that alot of people can agree on.
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So like it? Yes? No? Maybe so? Or is there something you think could be changed?

Love It. Pretty much exactly what I would say, besides Toon zelda taking that last zelda spot, and starfy. I'd replace Isaac with takamaru, and Starfy with Pacman.



Also about Snake returning, I always say the exact same thing that Golden and ScolioJo are.