Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheLastJinjo]

then it becomes an entirely new debate the will snake come back or not

that sounds funner.

I don't see how.

A character transformation should be between forms with different abilities, not jumping and running speed. There's a reason Sakurai has never done that.

Let me ask you this: What's the problem with just being the Awakened form? Because Sakurai would REALLY want that oppurtunity for one character to slightly change their speed at will or because people like the classic form?

Imagine this.

Mewtwo has a move that allows him to change form. Stats are completely different and he could act like a stance character. He could change form mid combo too.

Imagine hitting the opponent with a bunch of small hits as Awakened form, changing form mid combo and then hitting the opponent with one final powerful attack as normal Mewtwo. Or using Awakened Mewtwo to rush to an item or switching to normal Mewtwo so that you can survive hits easier due to increased weight. There are all sorts of possibilities dude. Especially if you can switch on the fly. Think about it.

Now that you mention it, that sounds like a real chore. That's not fun at all. And you can't plan fast enough what stats would be best in each situation before the situation has happened. If DK's coming at you with a Beam Sword are you going ot think of what to counter him with or are you gonna think of what speed would be best to counter it with whatever move you decided to counter it with. What you're suggesting is confusing for intermediate players, and just a chore for fast thinking players. You'd have to be really good at statistics and fast thinking in order for this to not fall flat on it's face. In the end people are just gonna say "f*** it" and not care what speed of jumping or running they currently are or if they have a directional attack that's slightly more powerful, because in the end you can still KO a character with any smash attack, they are focused in beating the opponent, not necessarily what style of doing it they choose. The only time you'd want to change your stats is if you know ahead of time who you're facing in which case you would just pick the form you want BEFORE the fight and never change it during the fight. Plus, Everything you suggested could fit into one Mewtwo. The swapping between stats and calculating your move takes you out of the heat of the battle. And try doing all this with 3 other people online trying to kill you.

ALSO, Mewtwo's transformation would have to be in 1 second for this to work properly, and we know that's not the time it takes for him to transform.

It's just not worth it. It makes more sense to implement all of it into one single character.

 

[Hotfeet444]

one reason I don't want to start playing them is that there are ton of games in the MGS franchise

I'd stick with the main four titles in the series, and there isn't that many titles, just MGS 1-4, Peace Walker and Portable Ops, not including Rising and Acid as well as the original NES titles.

 

[Reznor]

that sounds funner.

I'm probably not qualified to debate that I have little to no knowledge about Snake and his inclusion in Smash

I'd stick with the main four titles in the series, and there isn't that many titles, just MGS 1-4, Peace Walker and Portable Ops, not including Rising and Acid as well as the original NES titles.

I don't even own a Sony system

and dang my first double post (i think this counts as a double post)

 

[TheCreator]

Snake will probably return. Who even disagrees?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'm probably not qualified to debate that I have little to no knowledge about Snake and his inclusion in Smash

• Like Bomberman, Snake has been around since NES.
• He was requested by the owner to be in BRAWL
• He's very popular, but not as iconic as Bomberman

basically Sakurai was doing a favor for a friend, by giving his character a chance to be in one of the titles.

I don't really personally like the transforme, but I that's mostly because I really like Mewtwo in Melee and mostly want that guy but actually designed well.

Sooooo, does that mean you want him to transform between the 2 because you like his original design?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Snake will probably return. Who even disagrees?

When it comes to the third party characters, it's a matter of prospective as to whether or not there is a desire to bring them back. In other words, we're in the dark.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I don't even own a Sony system

and dang my first double post (i think this counts as a double post)

Well, the MGS collection is available on the Xbox 360 as well if you're interested, including MGS 2, 3 and Peace Walker.

Snake will probably return. Who even disagrees?

Considering Sakurai and Kojima are still good friends, we'll probably see Snake back, but I'm unsure if they'll use actual Solid Snake or Naked Snake/Big Boss from MGS3 thanks to the 3DS port.

When it comes to the third party characters, it's a matter of prospective as to whether or not there is a desire to bring them back. In other words, we're in the dark.

Considering Sakurai openly stated he loved Snake and Sonic in Brawl, the amazing amount of fan support for both characters, and how Third parties are supposed to be kept to a minimum, Snake and Sonic's chances of returning are incredibly high, Sonic might as well be confirmed, since we know he's not going anywhere.

 

[TheCreator]

When it comes to the third party characters, it's a matter of prospective as to whether or not there is a desire to bring them back. In other words, we're in the dark.

Well of course, but where's the fun in that?
Besides, I think they have a desire to bring Sonic back. And I think Snake goes with him.

 

[CalumG]

Snake will probably return. Who even disagrees?

I disagree, to an extent. I'm not saying he won't return, but there's definitely a chance of his exclusion - out of the Brawl newcomers I'd chalk him up as one of the most likely to go. Partly, I don't think he'd fit in as well with the less detailed, more vibrant and cartoony visual style that SSB4 has exhibited so far, partly I don't think he's done anything particularly worthwhile for Nintendo to stay in the game, and then there's Sakurai's "Third-parties are special exceptions" attitude towards the whole thing. It's not a definite that he won't come back, but if roster space is as limited as we suspect, I don't think it's too big of a stretch to say he'd probably be one of the first on the chopping block.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Snake will probably return. Who even disagrees?

Lots of people, for no particular reason.

I don't even own a Sony system

and dang my first double post (i think this counts as a double post)

The first MGS game I played was MGS: Twin Snakes on the Gamecube.
(and the first Metal Gear game I played was Metal Gear for the NES. )

On a general note, I hope the transformation times in the next Smash game approach something reasonable. Obviously I don't really know all the technical this-and-that behind it all, but I feel like it shouldn't be too difficult to load an additional model ahead of time.

 

[Reznor]

• Like Bomberman, Snake has been around since NES.
• He was requested by the owner to be in BRAWL
• He's very popular, but not as iconic as Bomberman

basically Sakurai was doing a favor for a friend, by giving his character a chance to be in one of the titles.

I told ya man I can't debate about the snake thing

Well, the MGS collection is available on the Xbox 360 as well if you're interested, including MGS 2, 3 and Peace Walker.



Considering Sakurai and Kojima are still good friends, we'll probably see Snake back, but I'm unsure if they'll use actual Solid Snake or Naked Snake/Big Boss from MGS3 thanks to the 3DS port.



Considering Sakurai openly stated he loved Snake and Sonic in Brawl, the amazing amount of fan support for both characters, and how Third parties are supposed to be kept to a minimum, Snake and Sonic's chances of returning are incredibly high, Sonic might as well be confirmed, since we know he's not going anywhere.

sold my 360 last week

 

[Arcanir]

Yeah, referring to DS as "she" is fair, but the Space Pirates were doing so simply because they basically saw her literally as "The Dark Hunter (Samus)", so there's no reason that they'd consider calling DS anything but "she".

I always have trouble actually equating the MB character to Mother Brain. Also, I think the fact that they gave her the "MB" acronym is just kind of... silly and too meta. Takes you out of the game experience. Whatevs.

True, and she is a more abstract character, it's just one of those times where a gender can still fit in because of how she's referred to.

That's completely fair, but it's the name the game went with so... *shrug* Not the best choice I'll admit though.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

sold my 360 last week

Dear god.................I prayed nobody would ever make the same mistake I did.............................

 

[Swamp Sensei]

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Now that you mention it, that sounds like a real chore. Uh-oh. That's not fun at all. And you can't plan fast enough what stats would be best in each situation before the situation has happened. If you can shield fast enough to block an attack, you can do what I'm thinking. If DK's coming at you with a Beam Sword are you going ot think of what to counter him with or are you gonna think of what speed would be best to counter it with whatever move you decided to counter it with. What you're suggesting is confusing for intermediate players, I believe you mean beginner, intermediate would mean they have a decent idea. and just a chore for fast thinking players. How would that be a chore? It's pressing on button IF you want to change. I'm not saying make this a "press this button or die" situation. I was suggesting a couple of situations where one form could do something better than another. You'd have to be really good at statistics Lol wut? Wrong word buddy. and fast thinking in order for this to not fall flat on it's face. Like smash in general? In the end people are just gonna say "f*** it" and not care what speed of jumping or running they currently are, they are focused in beating the crap out of someone. You're exaggerating here. If other fighting games can do stuff like this all the time and have plenty of players choose that character, smash can as well.The only time you'd want to change your stats is if you know ahead of time who you're facing in which case you would just pick the form you want BEFORE the fight and never change it during the fight. I don't think you understand what I mean. I mean changing stats to fit the situation, not necessarily the character you're fighting against. For example, if Mewtwo is heavily damaged he could stay in his normal form so that he had a higher chance of surviving due to increased weight. If a good item appears on the other side of the stage, Mewtwo could switch to the Awakened form and get the item due to increased speed. Everything you suggested could fit into one Mewtwo. Now THAT would be kinda boring. I was just thinking of a fun and unique way to get the different forms some play time. I think it's pretty cool.

ALSO, Mewtwo's transformation would have to be in 1 second for this to work properly, and we know that's not the time it takes for him to transform. Actually Mewtwo changes form pretty quick. Go check the anime special.

It's just not worth it. It makes more sense to implement all of it into one single character. How so? A fun and unique playstyle isn't worth it?

In the long run, this doesn't matter though. I'll be happy if Mewtwo gets in no matter how he plays.

He's very popular, but not as iconic as Bomberman

I wouldn't say that.

Metal Gear is a huge series and incredibly iconic.

At the VERY LEAST, it's on the same level as Bomberman.

 

[3Bismyname]

I told ya man I can't debate about the snake thing



sold my 360 last week

good call

 

[Hotfeet444]

Dear god.................I prayed nobody would ever make the same mistake I did.............................

Nobody cares.

I told ya man I can't debate about the snake thing



sold my 360 last week

Yeesh, that's rough. Well...MGS 1 & 2 are available on PC if you're a PC gamer...

In the long run, this doesn't matter though. I'll be happy if Mewtwo gets in no matter how he plays.



I wouldn't say that.

Metal Gear is a huge series and incredibly iconic.

At the VERY LEAST, it's on the same level as Bomberman.

I don't recall anyone ever revering a Bomberman title to be on the best games ever made...like pretty much every MGS title except for MGS2.

 

[Reznor]

Nobody cares.



Yeesh, that's rough. Well...MGS 1 & 2 are available on PC if you're a PC gamer...

my PC sucks

 

[CalumG]

The way I see it is this; Megaman and Sonic both got in by being absolute undisputed fan-favourites for Smash. Over half of Megaman's games have been Nintendo-exclusive to the point where many see him as representative of the NES just as much as Samus or Mario or Ice Climbers, and his best days were arguably when he was entirely Nintendo-exclusive (hence the Megaman design they're using). Sonic has had dozens of Nintendo-exclusives since SEGA went software-only, sells better on Nintendo than Sony or Microsoft, has had Mario/Sonic crossovers and allows us to play out the age old Sonic/Mario rivalry in a Smash Bros. game.

Snake, by contrast, got in by Kojima giving Sakurai a cheeky blowjob behind the back of an E3 stall.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Snake, by contrast, got in by Kojima giving Sakurai a cheeky blowjob behind the back of an E3 stall.

Hey we honor blowjobs around here.

 

[Hotfeet444]

The way I see it is this; Megaman and Sonic both got in by being absolute undisputed fan-favourites for Smash. Over half of Megaman's games have been Nintendo-exclusive to the point where many see him as representative of the NES just as much as Samus or Mario or Ice Climbers, and his best days were arguably when he was entirely Nintendo-exclusive (hence the Megaman design they're using). Sonic has had dozens of Nintendo-exclusives since SEGA went software-only, sells better on Nintendo than Sony or Microsoft, has had Mario/Sonic crossovers and allows us to play out the age old Sonic/Mario rivalry in a Smash Bros. game.

Snake, by contrast, got in by Kojima giving Sakurai a cheeky blowjob behind the back of an E3 stall.

You're forgetting the fact that Metal Gear started on the NES, the series is incredibly successful, it had a remake of the first game on the Gamecube, and Sakurai and Kojima are good friends, not to mention Snake's pretty much the face of Konami.

my PC sucks

Talk about being stuck in between a rock and a hard place. Do you at least own a 3DS? If so, there's MGS3 3D for that.

 

[Reznor]

You're forgetting the fact that Metal Gear started on the NES, the series is incredibly successful, it had a remake of the first game on the Gamecube, and Sakurai and Kojima are good friends, not to mention Snake's pretty much the face of Konami.



Talk about being stuck in between a rock and a hard place. Do you at least own a 3DS? If so, there's MGS3 3D for that.

I got a 3DS got it day 1 (the 20 free games make up for me being an idiot)

 

[CalumG]

You're forgetting the fact that Metal Gear started on the NES, the series is incredibly successful, it had a remake of the first game on the Gamecube, and Sakurai and Kojima are good friends, not to mention Snake's pretty much the face of Konami.


Talk about being stuck in between a rock and a hard place. Do you at least own a 3DS? If so, there's MGS3 3D for that.

Metal Gear did not start on the NES. In fact, the NES port of the MSX version of Metal Gear is considered near-universally bad, Kojima had no say in it's production and he's gone on record to say he wishes the 'port' of the game (if you could even call it that) never existed in the first place.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

@ Swampasaur (white is my text, red is Swampasaur.)

ALSO, Mewtwo's transformation would have to be in 1 second for this to work properly, and we know that's not the time it takes for him to transform. Actually Mewtwo changes form pretty quick. Go check the anime special.

It's just not worth it. It makes more sense to implement all of it into one single character. How so? A fun and unique playstyle isn't worth it?

Sheilding is not the same as switching between 2 forms.


How would that be a chore? It's pressing on button IF you want to change. But, why would you want to, it's really not gonna highten or lower your chances of victory or defeat by a noticeable amount. And before I go further, you're coming up with ideas for this. In order for this to work Sakurai has to be mutually thinking that Mewtwo can do all the same things you're suggesting. You're being so specific in how it works. Where does the predicting come in? Why do you predict Sakurai wants to do exactly this?Just because he hasn't done it before?

This is still an IDEA that everybody on Smashboards seems to like, we need to remember this is an idea and not a prediction. We don't even know much about Newtwo so how can we consider this a prediction?


Now THAT would be kinda boring. So is every character boring, now because they don't do that?

Again this IDEA should be for customization, not this one character.


if Mewtwo is heavily damaged he could stay in his normal form so that he had a higher chance of surviving due to increased weight. If a good item appears on the other side of the stage, Mewtwo could switch to the Awakened form and get the item due to increased speed. Right, but in the end you'd be slown down, by the time your done transforming, someone else is running towards that item. If you're Mewtwo I highly doubt you couldn't get to the item in time. Being Newtwo is not essential to acheive that unless you suggest Mewtwo is extremely faster, but weaker than any character and Newtwo is extremely slower, but stronger than any character. Again this is going on assumptions that Sakurai has the same idea you guys invented.

Actually Mewtwo changes form pretty quick. Not quick enough, shall I time it? Assuming they didn't do clip cuts to make it seem like he transforms really fast so the trailer isn't long?


How so? A fun and unique playstyle isn't worth it? What you described doesn't sound very fun or unique to me. Keep in mind the audience of SSB expands outside this website.

What you are describing is more complicated than it needs to be and in the end is still just an IDEA.I'd

I'd like to end on this:

Dry Bowser being present in the game is a prediction. Saying he can become it during battle is an idea. A costume of Dry Bowser is a prediction.

Saying both forms of Mewtwo will be present in the games is a decent prediction. But, what you are describing to me is an idea.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Metal Gear did not start on the NES. In fact, the NES port of the MSX version of Metal Gear is considered near-universally bad, Kojima had no say in it's production and he's gone on record to say he wishes the 'port' of the game (if you could even call it that) never existed in the first place.

Really? Well then, never knew that, there was never any details about it, but that's not that big a deal.

I got a 3DS got it day 1 (the 20 free games make up for me being an idiot)

Well then, it's definitely worth the thirty dollars. ...I need moar 3DS games.

 

[3Bismyname]

Well then, it's definitely worth the thirty dollars. ...I need moar 3DS games.

my suggestion is Project X Zone. its my favorite game atm

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

Really? Well then, never knew that, there was never any details about it, but that's not that big a deal.

Tis true, but it really doesnt make that big of a difference in the long run since there were a number of other titles released on nintendo systems, and its part of metal gears history whether they mention it or not.

 

[Hotfeet444]

my suggestion is Project X Zone. its my favorite game atm

Oh GOD no! I don't waste money on bad Crossovers with rosters that look as if they lost money halfway through development to afford characters that matter. I'll just wait for X & Y while playing New Leaf, Dark Moon, Gates of Infinity, Sticker Star and Awakening thanks.

 

[Reznor]

Really? Well then, never knew that, there was never any details about it, but that's not that big a deal.



Well then, it's definitely worth the thirty dollars. ...I need moar 3DS games.

I only play games in order so if I want to play the MGS series I have to start with the first one

 

[3Bismyname]

Oh GOD no! I don't waste money on bad Crossovers with rosters that look as if they lost money halfway through development to afford characters that matter. I'll just wait for X & Y while playing New Leaf, Dark Moon, Gates of Infinity, Sticker Star and Awakening thanks.

its actually one of the better crossovers ive played in years, def one of the best rpgs ive played lately. but whatever thats your choice. the roster is good on Namco and Capcoms end... with that said Sega got lowballed

 

[CalumG]

The big thing working against Snake in my opinion is that unlike Megaman and Sonic, he's never had even a single Nintendo-exclusive. Every Metal Gear and Metal Gear Solid game released on a Nintendo console has been a port, downgrade or remake in some fashion - Nintendo gets the second-fiddle treatment from the Metal Gear franchise, with Konami only throwing a port or remake their way when they want to make a quick buck on a game that's already made a sizable profit on the other systems.

Actually, wait, I take that back. Nintendo got exclusives in 'Snake's Revenge', another awful NES title, and 'Ghost Babel' for the GBC, once again not worked on by the main Metal Gear team and neither of which considered even remotely canon - cash-ins on the Metal Gear name for all intents and purposes. My point still stands.

 

[Curious Villager]

I played the demo's of Project X Zone.... I wasn't very sure what I was doing....

Ah well, I'm currently waiting for Flipnote Memo that will be coming out next week and then over to Pokemon X and Y. ^^

 

[Hotfeet444]

its actually one of the better crossovers ive played in years, def one of the best rpgs ive played lately. but whatever thats your choice. the roster is good on Namco and Capcoms end... with that said Sega got lowballed

The rosters of all companies was sub-par. They add Demitri, Morrigan and Hsien-Ko but not Felicia? No Amaterasu? No Viewtiful Joe? No Regina? Just an over-abundance of Street Fighter characters. Namco does it even worse, there's no Klonoa, and also...where the hell are the Soul Calibur characters? As for SEGA, it's self said, no Sonic, no Golden Axe, no Jet Set Radio, no nothing noteworthy but the fact that they actually included Ulala from Space Channel Five...which is mockable. I'm not giving a company my money if they overlook characters like this.

I only play games in order so if I want to play the MGS series I have to start with the first one

Well then I'm sorry, there's not much I can do. My best advice is the luck of finding the Gamecube remake of the first title.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

block

For the courtesy of others tired of reading Noah drama, I'll just be collapsing this all. If you're still interested however, read on. Shameless? Sure. Long? Probably too long. Worth getting out? You're damn right.

Spoiler

Dude, I said I was done. You want to start quoting PMs in public? I can play your game right back. This is no longer about your faulty logic or sub-par rosters. This is about you.

I'd actually prefer to be banned, that way I don't have an excuse to not be doing more important things in my time. When I first joined I didn't even bother using a proper user name as I thought I wouldn't be using this site very much. But, I don't have much to do this summer (or at least nothing better). I just work on my writing and play video games.

Basically, I don't care if people don't like me on the site. I came here to make my roster and predictions heard, not to make my roster what other people want, although suggestions and criticism are nice. I have plenty of reasons to keep the characters I keep. And I don't consider the majority of a thread thinking otherwise as a big influence because very few smash fans in the entire world, know what they are talking about. Anybody can join smashboards, so nobody here has verification that they are any better speculators. A good speculator takes chances, where as smashboards never does and always has generic rosters.

On Smashboards all people do is talk about the same characters and subjects. Sometimes they bring up the same subjects, acting as if they've never talked about in their lives.

"Let's talk about characters cuts!"
"Now, let's talk about Chrom"
"Now let's talk about character cuts again"

I mostly just use smashboards to post opinions and if people get that ****ed off about, that's not really my problem. It's about as important as a flame war between Mario & Call of Duty.

To answer your question, I post on Smashboards because I can. And because I don't care what other people think unless I consider them good thinkers.

Personally, I DON'T KNOW YOU ROBERT! You're probably REALLY nice and understanding in real life, but people are NOT the same on the internet as they are in real life, things that nobody cares about in reality are like the most important things on the internet. Super Smash Brothers is just a game, weather my characters make it in the game or not isn't really going to affect me one way or another, so if you disagree with a character than disagree, just don't make a big deal about it because in real life it's nothing. And that's why I don't care what other people think or say over the internet, because they don't know me and I don't know them. I'll post the rosters I want and I will discuss it with other people, but I'm not gonna flame with others

Whether I am banned or not is no longer a big deal, this site can be kinda hopeless sometimes, so I just post because I can, and if I can't then I won't post because I can't.

I'm not about to get into any more of your goddamn whining when you aren't even here to debate. You're here to prance around saying whatever comes into your head. It doesn't matter what you say, as long as you say something back, you're still winning the argument, and frankly I'm tired of that. I'm not about to waste my valuable time arguing with someone who won't even acknowledge anything I say as remotely plausible. I've given you countless chances. I've stood by in our public and private conversations looking for that redeeming factor in you nobody else sees. Maybe he's misunderstood. Maybe he's just being picked on after having a rough start, I told myself... But no, you have literally shown me that you are as self-centered, arrogant, and ****-sure as you are on first impression.

You can't answer the most simple of questions without having to justify yourself as still on top. You can't spare a single shred of courtesy for the others around you. Hell, you can't even admit your own flaws. The times you've said people have insulted you and posted reaction gifs to what you've said is unbelievably hypocritical considering how much you do it yourself. It's outright narcissistic, the way you project your own shortcomings onto others without even acknowledging your own. I'm hard-headed, a little obsessive, and quick to anger. I'd make a horrible tolerance counselor. I've said my fair share of dumb things on the forum, and I've been proven wrong by others before. But you know what? I can accept that. The day I see you accept your own weaknesses is the day I can power a microwave with the amount of shock I feel.

I don't know you in real life, and I hopefully I never will. The sheer amount of disregard you hold for others online makes me think you're probably rude as a person as well if this is how you let strangers see yourself simply because you can. No, I'm sure you have a great personality because you can manage to get half a forum to hate you. I'm sure your parents are absolutely proud that you paid 3 bucks to get a premium account on a forum you only go to to blow whatever comes to mind out your ass. Maybe that's how you were raised, but the way I go on the internet, it's entirely different. Go online, mind my manners, talk about a video game, make some friends, put up with the rest. I don't think it's far off to say many other humans here follow the same ideology. So when a group of people have to put up with your **** simply because you can, you're being a pile of scum on the internet. You can't justify your behavior as acceptable simply because you don't know us. That's what trolls do, which you so ironically hate yet claim not to be.

So no, Noah. You're not on the same level as I. You lack the social tactness, the common sense, the understanding of when an argument is no longer a debate, and the ability to tolerate victories beyond your own. You contribute nothing worthwhile to the forum aside from unneeded drama, and you make the Prediction Thread your own toilet rather than a place where others can say something you disagree with without it being **** all over. So let us leave on this note. I think you're simply the worst piece of gray-matter to ever tread the forums and I hope that you really do have good things going for you in real life, because I don't see a mind as enclosed as yours having any bright future on the forums. I don't want to talk to you or even hear about you again, because I can tell that this anger I have for you isn't good for my health. I can be devoting my energies to something much healthier, like contributing to discussion rather than bickering with you, instead.

With that, I'm done. Set me on ignore, report me for flaming you, I don't care anymore. I got all that out and that's all I'll ever need.

**** you and everything about you.
Sincerely, GRC

...

Now that I got that mess out of the way and Noah set on ignore, what else is there to say?

The big thing working against Snake in my opinion is that unlike Megaman and Sonic, he's never had even a single Nintendo-exclusive. Every Metal Gear and Metal Gear Solid game released on a Nintendo console has been a port, downgrade or remake in some fashion - Nintendo gets the second-fiddle treatment from the Metal Gear franchise, with Konami only throwing a port or remake their way when they want to make a quick buck on a game that's already made a sizable profit on the other systems.

Actually, wait, I take that back. Nintendo got exclusives in 'Snake's Revenge', another awful NES title, and 'Ghost Babel' for the GBC, once again not worked on by the main Metal Gear team and neither of which considered even remotely canon - cash-ins on the Metal Gear name for all intents and purposes. My point still stands.

I believe Metal Gear Solid 3D Snake Eater was 3DS exclusive and wasn't on the PS Vita, though I could be wrong. The fact that it's a somewhat recent game works in his favor, especially since it's not just The Twin Snakes re-ported to a Nintendo handheld.

With the popularity he had in Brawl and the close ties between Masahiro and Hideo, I'm sure Snake won't be such a low priority this time around.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Noah.

You realize that I never predicted that being in the game and that was just an idea right?

 

[Seraphim.]

I played the demo's of Project X Zone.... I wasn't very sure what I was doing....

Ah well, I'm currently waiting for Flipnote Memo that will be coming out next week and then over to Pokemon X and Y. ^^

Are there any other interesting 3DS games coming out in the meantime between Pokemon X and Y and now? :/

Flipnote 3D is finally coming after like 2 years of waiting lol, I'm waiting for it as well.

 

[CalumG]

Now that I got that mess out of the way and Noah set on ignore, what else is there to say?

I believe Metal Gear Solid 3D Snake Eater was 3DS exclusive and wasn't on the PS Vita, though I could be wrong. The fact that it's a somewhat recent game works in his favor, especially since it's not just The Twin Snakes re-ported to a Nintendo handheld.

With the popularity he had in Brawl and the close ties between Masahiro and Hideo, I'm sure Snake won't be such a low priority this time around.

Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater may not be on the Vita, but it's still a game that came out 9 years ago on the PS2. Konami make a main-series game for MGS on PS/Xbox, make all the money they can off it, then release the same game with extra bells and whistles years down the line on a Nintendo console.

EDIT: In fact, Snake Eater is on the Vita, because Vita got the Metal Gear Solid collection, which includes MGS2 and MGS3.

 

[Curious Villager]

Flipnote 3D is finally coming after like 2 years of waiting lol, I'm waiting for it as well.

Haha yeah, I had lots of fun with Flipnote Studio back when I still had my DSI then when I traded it in for a 3DS I've been waiting for so long now for Flipnote Memo, now finally we are going to get it. Going to spend hours on that game doodling and making silly and fun animations again. xD

 

[LaniusShrike]

• Like Bomberman, Snake has been around since NES.
• He was requested by the owner to be in BRAWL
• He's very popular, but not as iconic as Bomberman

basically Sakurai was doing a favor for a friend, by giving his character a chance to be in one of the titles.


Sooooo, does that mean you want him to transform between the 2 because you like his original design?

Technically, as far as I recall the story, Snake was requested to be Smash in general, but it was too late to include him in the Melee cycle.

In any case, both Bomberman and Snake are fantastic, unique, and worthy additions.

I don't want him to transform at all, I just don't think it's inherently a silly concept like you do. It wouldn't be hard to control at all... I mean, it's a lot easier to handle than the transformation between Zelda/Sheik. They serve the same basic function... Zelda/Sheik is (supposedly) designed so start off with Sheik to wrack up damage and then switch to Zelda to finish them off. The fact that the moveset wouldn't change between formes just means that it'd be a much easier transition for players. Something like weight/speed/strength would be immediately obvious to someone trying out Mewtwo on a first play through.

But, yes, I still don't want it.

I just want him to him to be the old design from Melee refurbished as if someone actually put some thought into his design.
No more "Ah ha, I caught you with my confuse! I sure hope you don't just punch me for more damage as soon as you get out."

I just want Mewtwo. But good.

 

[Reznor]

The rosters of all companies was sub-par. They add Demitri, Morrigan and Hsien-Ko but not Felicia? No Amaterasu? No Viewtiful Joe? No Regina? Just an over-abundance of Street Fighter characters. Namco does it even worse, there's no Klonoa, and also...where the hell are the Soul Calibur characters? As for SEGA, it's self said, no Sonic, no Golden Axe, no Jet Set Radio, no nothing noteworthy but the fact that they actually included Ulala from Space Channel Five...which is mockable. I'm not giving a company my money if they overlook characters like this.



Well then I'm sorry, there's not much I can do. My best advice is the luck of finding the Gamecube remake of the first title.

maybe but like I said i'm not to interested in the series

 

[3Bismyname]

The rosters of all companies was sub-par. They add Demitri, Morrigan and Hsien-Ko but not Felicia? No Amaterasu? No Viewtiful Joe? No Regina? Just an over-abundance of Street Fighter characters. Namco does it even worse, there's no Klonoa, and also...where the hell are the Soul Calibur characters? As for SEGA, it's self said, no Sonic, no Golden Axe, no Jet Set Radio, no nothing noteworthy but the fact that they actually included Ulala from Space Channel Five...which is mockable. I'm not giving a company my money if they overlook characters like this.



Well then I'm sorry, there's not much I can do. My best advice is the luck of finding the Gamecube remake of the first title.

frankly i wish Sega never got involved. only a couple of the seires they brought were actually worth bringing (Virtua Fighter and Sakura Wars) and really there's only 3 Street Fighter characters (5 if you count Juri and Seth who are enemies with the former helping you later). overall they added nothing but human anime-esque characters which is really hit or miss with some people. but whatever, i like the game. the gameplay is simple but still challenging, the characters have a lot of personality and frankly im so glad Sonic wasnt in the game he would have ruined the game for me personally.