Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[mimgrim]

I never wanted to start anything, I said that before.

You like the Star Fox characters. I like the Star Fox gameplay.

There really isn't anything else that needs to be said.

I still don't get how you came to the conclusion you did. ._.

I don't even play the SF games because I detest the gameplay of those games, and yes I have tried playing them before. Do I know very llittle about the story of SF outside of what I have read on indivisual characters. This is a reason I want SF to be rebooted, so that I can play and enjoy a game that has imo a good cast of characters. So I still don't get what you were trying to get at. .-.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I still don't get how you came to the conclusion you did. ._.

I don't even play the SF games because I detest the gameplay of those games, and yes I have tried playing them before. Do I know very llittle about the story of SF outside of what I have read on indivisual characters. This is a reason I want SF to be rebooted, so that I can play and enjoy a game that has imo a good cast of characters. So I still don't get what you were trying to get at. .-.

I don't think you listened to me.

You like the Star Fox characters. I like the Star Fox gameplay. The end.

Stop insisting I held anything more in what I said. That's all there was to be said. That's all I was trying to get at. I don't know how to be any more black and white with this.

 

[TheCreator]

I still don't get how you came to the conclusion you did. ._.

I don't even play the SF games because I detest the gameplay of those games, and yes I have tried playing them before. Do I know very llittle about the story of SF outside of what I have read on indivisual characters. This is a reason I want SF to be rebooted, so that I can play and enjoy a game that has imo a good cast of characters. So I still don't get what you were trying to get at. .-.

It doesn't matter guys, you have different taste. You're still buddies, as are the rest of us.
I'd like to point everybody in the direction of the Pacman thread right now, to make sure everyone has seen that amazing OP, and challenge anyone to try and test it.

 

[MagnesD3]

I'm not gonna lie I can't stand talking about the star fox games in here, the opinions are so scewed, as a die hard star fox fan it's hard to hear some of the thoughts people have on the series, it makes me smh. The good games are easy to spot out in the series, the gameplay and characters are great, the story has been awesome and can be again. Just to clarify no reboots as they are dumb exspecially after the lore is this developed and command is not canon for various reasons including them outright saying it isn't canon.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

@God Robert's Cousin
Two times and maybe three is what you're saying. That's absolutely nothing when the Mario mainseries alone is more than 13 games big. I guess Luigi should become Mr. L through his final smash since he's already halfway there with the amount of times Bowser has turned Dry Bowser. If you consider half of 3 to be 1 I think you're calculator is broken. Not to mention Mr. L is a persona from one Paper Mario title and has never reappeared in any shape or form since and can be expected not to in the future. Bad example, dude.

Well the fact that they're separate characters in various games should show that. Well, then I guess Dr. Mario and Young Link are separate entities.

What the hell is it then if you're saying it's not just an alternate outfit you can pick? I've already said several times it can easily just be an outfit.

A lot of people who want both forms of Mewtwo. So they should post it in the wishlist thread.

Where the hell has it been established that the Awakened Forme is going to be better? It certainly hasn't in X&Y news, and Sakurai isn't going to make it outright better than the other forme when characters are made to be balanced with one another. Please post the differences between the two then. And reasons why Mewtwo would bother transforming into this if it didn't increase his powers and is equally balanced with his original form.

For the last damn time, nowhere did we say he'd be upgraded. If this is really an issue for you, let's either have him as a temporary final smash or forme that can be switched around like Sheik with different moves as well. Is that better? That is better because it makes sense. And if it's not an upgrade then what is it? He's not a different Pokemon type.

Except more people would be satisfied with the end result. More people would be satisfied wasting development time that can be used for other things to make A character transform into a clone of himself? Or someone with the same type of abilities?

Change his regular moves then. They'd still be psychic moves, so just give them all to one character.[/quote]

I've given very credible responses, just because you don't agree that doesn't make you qualified to say they are not. After reading what you posted, the only person putting literally no effort into their comebacks is you.

So just keep posting comments complaining about me posting in the thread if you don't have anything left to back up why your side is right and mine isn't. Because every time you contradict what I say I seem to be able to defend it with something else. If anything that should mean you're not posting anything credible. So you're not as great as you think you are if you just give up and start complaining through posts to other people about a user that has different opinions. As if it's as big a deal as you make it.

 

[mimgrim]

I don't think you listened to me.

You like the Star Fox characters. I like the Star Fox gameplay. The end.

Stop insisting I held anything more in what I said. That's all there was to be said. That's all I was trying to get at. I don't know how to be any more black and white with this.

Well before it was like you were accusing me of only playing games for story characters and not caring about the gameplay, which is what got me confused.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Hmm, I think it's time for me to actually look up who the heck "Sheriff" is, since I keep seeing him everywhere. My immediate take is that he's way too similar to Game&Watch to actually be considered.

... ah. Interesting. So, he really does fulfill a similar role as G&W in Nintendo's history... I think I'd personally rate his likelihood very, very low.

Is this a prediction roster or an ideal roster?

It's a prediction roster. There's really nothing ideal about it.

1. What is the current topic about now?

Anybody who says something that contradicts what you say is stupid.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Do you think they would keep him 2D? I think they would pull a Pit and update him.

I don't think they'd update him. The only reason he'd get in would be to represent Nintendo's Arcade era. Pit was really representing himself as a character, while Sheriff isn't a character so much as the game itself. (Also, Pit had multiple games throughout the years, and has had them since, and I don't think there will ever be plans to make a sequel to "Sheriff".)

But, yeah. I do think Game&Watch successfully represents Nintendo's pre-NES era, and I don't think we'll ever see another relatively-unknown character from Nintendo's less glorious days.

More on your roster... I do think Isaac is more likely than Matthew, as it seems that Matthew's game wasn't super popular and Isaac seems more like the face of the series (as demonstrated by Isaac's Assist Trophy).

Makes me a little sad to see Adam there and Ridley not... I get that Ridley isn't everyone's idea of an ideal character nomination, but I do feel very strongly that Adam will never be a Nintendo all-star. It's unlikely that he'll ever be in another game.

A lot of interesting character picks, though!

 

[Arcanir]

All this Anthro talk makes me regret not getting Star Fox 64 (3DS), I have to fix that one of these days...

Makes me a little sad to see Adam there and Ridley not... I get that Ridley isn't everyone's idea of an ideal character nomination, but I do feel very strongly that Adam will never be a Nintendo all-star. It's unlikely that he'll ever be in another game.

A lot of interesting character picks, though!

Adam irks me, because he has appeared in more games and is more tied to Samus then a majority of other characters not named Mother Brain, Ridley or Dark Samus but he is connected to a part of Other M that's really controversial and I think that it will hurt him in the long run.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Wait....
Noah unblocked Robert?

Woah....

 

[LaniusShrike]

All this Anthro talk makes me regret not getting Star Fox 64 (3DS), I have to fix that one of these days...

Adam irks me, because he has appeared in more games and is more tied to Samus then a majority of other characters not named Mother Brain, Ridley or Dark Samus but he is connected to a part of Other M that's really controversial and I think that it will hurt him in the long run.

Oh, I'd forgotten that he was in anything other than Other M. I unfortunately never got to play that game.

I'd say he's more tied to Samus's backstory than a lot of other characters, but Ridley for instance is more tied to who she currently is, y'know? She trained under Adam, but Ridley is tied to the events that actually formed her.

I dunno. I guess I just don't want to see another human character from Metroid when there are so many more interesting characters to choose from.

I haven't actually played any SF game after SF:Adventures. I wonder how hard it'd be to get SF:Assault these days?
Edit: $100 new, you say? Wow.

... but $17 used... hmm...

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

White is mine, red is Noah.
If you consider half of 3 to be 1 I think you're calculator is broken. Not to mention Mr. L is a persona from one Paper Mario title and has never reappeared in any shape or form since and can be expected not to in the future. Bad example, dude. Your own calculator is broken if you think 2=3. Two games confirm your statement. Period. It's as likely as saying Rex or Birdo will be in Super Mario 3D World simply because they can... When there's no evidence of either... Same deal with Dry Bowser. Don't treat "ifs" as reason. Mr. L isn't the point, either. It's the fact that they're both in a very, very small amount of Mario games in proportion to the rest of the series. Don't think about this in a vacuum, "dude".

Well, then I guess Dr. Mario and Young Link are separate entities. In Smash Bros., aka the non-canon Nintendo fighter? I'm talking about in actual Mario games.

I've already said several times it can easily just be an outfit. Then I suppose we can agree that there's nothing wrong with making Dry Bowser a mere alternate outfit beyond being unnecessary.

So they should post it in the wishlist thread. Why don't you if you insist upon predicting characters nobody else sees at all likely?

Please post the differences between the two then. And reasons why Mewtwo would bother transforming into this if it didn't increase his powers and is equally balanced with his original form. Explain to me why we have Sheik, ZZS, and Pokemon Trainer and I think you'll find your answer. Mewtwo is one of the most popular Pokemon, is a veteran of the Smash Bros. series already, and is the outright most popular request for Super Smash Bros. 4 (as seen with Shortie's poll). Newtwo represents the new generation and potential for an alternate playstyle. Having both is warranted.

That is better because it makes sense. And if it's not an upgrade then what is it? He's not a different Pokemon type. He's a different forme. Like Deoxys and its formes. Like Giratina and its formes. Understand? Formes that aren't aesthetic usually play very differently in the Pokemon games. It's as easy as applying that to Smash Bros. as well.

More people would be satisfied wasting development time that can be used for other things to make A character transform into a clone of himself? Or someone with the same type of abilities? When Mewtwo has popularity going above characters like K. Rool, Ridley, Krystal, Bowser Jr., and Little Mac, yes, more people would be more satisfied with effort put into the most requested character will layers of importance to the Pokemon series.

They'd still be psychic moves, so just give them all to one character. Not all of them would. With a different body structure, he could easily perform different attacks that aren't just psychic.

I've given very credible responses, just because you don't agree that doesn't make you qualified to say they are not. After reading what you posted, the only person putting literally no effort into their comebacks is you. If that's the case, why do more people agree with me than you? The clear winner of a debate is he who garners the most support. Last I checked, I wasn't the only one arguing with you about this. The losing side is the one guy arguing that unicorns exist while everyone else is saying they don't. If the one guy had a reasonable argument, he wouldn't be alone.

So just keep posting comments complaining about me posting in the thread if you don't have anything left to back up why your side is right and mine isn't. Because every time you contradict what I say I seem to be able to defend it with something else. If anything that should mean you're not posting anything credible. So you're not as great as you think you are if you just give up and start complaining through posts to other people about a user that has different opinions. As if it's as big a deal as you make it. I seem to contradict you back just as easily, though, so from that standpoint, we're about even. I don't get why that gives you the audacity to say I'm the losing side, if that's the case. Either way, the fact that you post whatever you want regardless of what others think of you, as you have directly told me, should be reason enough that I'm the one trying to be credible here.

So how about this. I'll give you one more post to give counter-arguments to what I said. After that, we'll ask some 3rd parties who sounds more correct in this debate. Whoever has more that agrees with him is the clear winner, since it's obvious just you and I won't be determining that by ourselves. Does that work for you, or is that suddenly not credible because you have the feeling what you say only convinces yourself rather than anyone else reading this?

 

[Hotfeet444]

Well, would you look at that, MORE Noah rants. Absolutely fantastic. Anyone got a new subject to talk about? Well, how about this...say we're allowed to get another Kirby character, who do you think it'll be? The biggest choices at the moment are Bandana Dee, Galacta Knight and Dark Matter. Who would you choose to be in the game?

 

[Arcanir]

Oh, I'd forgotten that he was in anything other than Other M. I unfortunately never got to play that game.

I'd say he's more tied to Samus's backstory than a lot of other characters, but Ridley for instance is more tied to who she currently is, y'know? She trained under Adam, but Ridley is tied to the events that actually formed her.

I dunno. I guess I just don't want to see another human character from Metroid when there are so many more interesting characters to choose from.

I haven't actually played any SF game after SF:Adventures. I wonder how hard it'd be to get SF:Assault these days?
Edit: $100 new, you say? Wow.

... but $17 used... hmm...

Yeah he was in Fusion, however I do agree with you. Ignoring that there are other characters I'd prefer over him I just don't think he has enough to stand out and get a spot. With Ridley and Mother Brain, they not only have a strong connection to Samus and the series as a whole but also had a strong role in the backstory. Dark Samus doesn't have the backstory but she plays a very strong role in the Prime subseries. Adam relies too much on the backstory compared to the former two and compared to all three while he does have major influence in Fusion and Other M, neither allowed him to get popular and Other M caused him to be detested as a character for a good number of people. He has a chance I'll admit due to that influence and backstory but I just don't think it's enough to break through and get that slot, especially compared to Ridley, Dark Samus and even Mother Brain (via MB form).

 

[LaniusShrike]

So how about this. I'll give you one more post to give counter-arguments to what I said. After that, we'll ask some 3rd parties who sounds more correct in this debate. Whoever has more that agrees with him is the clear winner, since it's obvious just you and I won't be determining that by ourselves. Does that work for you, or is that suddenly not credible because you have the feeling what you say only convinces yourself rather than anyone else reading this?

Lol at the concept of us reading all these angry blocks of text.

Edit, @Arcanir
[quote="Arcanir]
Yeah he was in Fusion, however I do agree with you. Ignoring that there are other characters I'd prefer over him I just don't think he has enough to stand out and get a spot. With Ridley and Mother Brain, they not only have a strong connection to Samus and the series as a whole but also had a strong role in the backstory. Dark Samus doesn't have the backstory but she plays a very strong role in the Prime subseries. Adam relies too much on the backstory compared to the former two and compared to all three while he does have major influence in Fusion and Other M, neither allowed him to get popular and Other M caused him to be detested as a character for a good number of people. He has a chance I'll admit due to that influence and backstory but I just don't think it's enough to break through and get that slot, especially compared to Ridley, Dark Samus and even Mother Brain (via MB form).
[/quote]

Yeah... he comes across much more as a piece of backstory, like a father figure, not a part of the current story that is Samus's epic journey to fame across the galaxy.

I don't personally feel very positive about the thought of Dark Samus or MB getting in either, though, to be honest... DS would be an asbolutely fantastic alternate costume, but I have trouble regarding it as a Nintendo all-star... Partially because "it" is a much more accurate pronoun than "she". More of a phenomenon than a character, y'know?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Anyone got a new subject to talk about?

Why the swordsman argument is a load of crap.

 

[Reznor]

So how about this. I'll give you one more post to give counter-arguments to what I said. After that, we'll ask some 3rd parties who sounds more correct in this debate. Whoever has more that agrees with him is the clear winner, since it's obvious just you and I won't be determining that by ourselves. Does that work for you, or is that suddenly not credible because you have the feeling what you say only convinces yourself rather than anyone else reading this?

if you abridge it then maybe

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Lol at the concept of us reading all these angry blocks of text.

You'd just have to read his latest response and compare what I said to his counter-argument. Arduous, I'm sure, but a good way to show which one of us should just zip it.*

*We should both zip it. This determines who should admit being wrong, not who should shut up.

if you abridge it then maybe

Explain and I'll do the best to avoid it.

 

[Reznor]

You'd just have to read his latest response and compare what I said to his counter-argument. Arduous, I'm sure, but a good way to show which one of us should just zip it.*

*We should both zip it. This determines who should admit being wrong, not who should shut up.

Explain and I'll do the best to avoid it.

what?
I was asking for you to abridge the argument because I don't wanna read a block or anger

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

what?
I was asking for you to abridge the argument because I don't wanna read a block or anger

Oh, I thought you were saying if I abridged the argument, it wouldn't be fair to ask for others' input on this, okay.

Unfortunately, neither of us will be able to abridge it without the other claiming to have had details left out. So unless a third party really is involved, we'll be stuck with another situation where Noah believes he won despite no clear winner being decided at all.

Not he'd listen to anything less than him winning, either way.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Why the swordsman argument is a load of crap.

We have too many characters who punch. We need less of them.

 

[Gune]

We have too many characters who punch. We need less of them.

appaerently metalman disagrees

 

[Swamp Sensei]

appaerently metalman disagrees

He's punishing himself through punching because he loves irony.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Wait....
Noah unblocked Robert?

Woah....

Yeah, I do stupid things sometimes.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Yeah, I do stupid things sometimes.

Sorry for being such a burden to your online experience.

Are you taking up my challenge, or are you backing off already knowing this won't turn out well for you? Anything besides the former choice will be accepted as the latter. Not that you'd care.

 

[Gene]

Woah wait a minute. I'm really late but I just watch the new Pokemon movie trailer and heard Mewtwo's voice. I heard everyone talking about Mewtwo's voice being female but hearing it caught me off guard. And I for one welcome Mewtwo's new voice actress.

 

[Gune]

Yeah, I do stupid things sometimes.

Atleast try to start out on a good foot with everyone this time...

And yes mewtwo's new voice actress is, great funny how a female voice fits him so well.

 

[FlareHabanero]

We have too many characters who punch. We need less of them.

We need more curling users on the roster, everyone loves curling!

 

[Swamp Sensei]

We need more curling users on the roster, everyone loves curling!

Of course.

It's an Olympic Sport for a reason!

I say we completely redo Wario's moveset so that he does nothing but curl.

 

[Reznor]

Atleast try to start out on a good foot with everyone this time...

And yes mewtwo's new voice actress is, great funny how a female voice fits him so well.

wait metwo has a female voice some one get that link for me

 

[Swamp Sensei]

wait metwo has a female voice some one get that link for me

 

[shinhed-echi]

We need more curling users on the roster, everyone loves curling!

What we really need is more Yo-Yos. Its potential hasn't even been scratched, with all the different yo-yo techniques out there.

(Unless people seriously think that Around the World, and Walk the Dog are the only YoYo techniques ever made) XD

 

[Reznor]

that music does not match the city being destroyed
and dang all this time every one was calling him a he its a she (well in game no gender but we can't call her an it"

first pokemon movie i'm going to watch in years

 

[Gune]

What we really need is more Yo-Yos. Its potential hasn't even been scratched, with all the different yo-yo techniques out there.

(Unless people seriously think that Around the World, and Walk the Dog are the only YoYo techniques ever made) XD

Its settled then Bridget for smash!

 

[Reznor]

Its settled then Bridget for smash!

remember Reznor thats a man don't get any ideas

 

[FlareHabanero]

Its settled then Bridget for smash!

But we already have our penis confusing characters.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

So how about this. I'll give you one more post to give counter-arguments to what I said.

Did you not read above the post you just replied to. Ignoring what I say doesn't make it non existent or wrong.

Whoever has more that agrees with him is the clear winner

And what makes that so? You're picking random people off the internet to be judges without any background checks on their sense of logic or intelligence. If BluePikmin11 had 3 friends that say Tom Nook is a good idea as appose to my 2 friends who say it isn't, where is your proof that they know what they're talking about more than us? Just because there's more of them? Does that mean if the amount of Christians is bigger than Buddhists, that Christianity is the true religion?

And what debate are we having? The pointless addition of Dry Bowser (who I said could easily be a costume which most of you agreed on) or the pointlessness of Mewtwo being able to swap forms during battle (which people have defended saying that he has different physics, even though his abilities are the same)?

You're going to have to pick one. And I will only accept this if the people judging are qualified, civil, reasonable. And who's to say people won't just ignore my defenses or statements and say I never made them? I'm not doing this little "Challenge" Until I am convinced we have intelligent and reasonable people participating, preferably in an exclusive room.

EX: Swampasaur, Morbid Altruism, FalKoopa, KingMario92, Scoliosis Jones, Neanderthal, FrostWraith.

So how about this. I'll give you one more post to give counter-arguments to what I said.

Did you not read above the post you just replied to. Ignoring what I say doesn't make it non existent or wrong.

Whoever has more that agrees with him is the clear winner

And what makes that so? You're picking random people off the internet to be judges without any background checks on their sense of logic or intelligence. If BluePikmin11 had 3 friends that say Tom Nook is a good idea as appose to my 2 friends who say it isn't, where is your proof that they know what they're talking about more than us? Just because there's more of them? Does that mean if the amount of Christians is bigger than Buddhists, that Christianity is the true religion?

And what debate are we having? The pointless addition of Dry Bowser (who I said could easily be a costume which most of you agreed on) or the pointlessness of Mewtwo being able to swap forms during battle (which people have defended saying that he has different physics, even though his abilities are the same)?

You're going to have to pick one. And I will only accept this if the people judging are qualified, civil, reasonable. And who's to say people won't just ignore my defenses or statements and say I never made them? I'm not doing this little "Challenge" Until I am convinced we have intelligent and reasonable people participating, preferably in an exclusive room.

EX: Swampasaur, Morbid Altruism, FalKoopa, KingMario92, Scoliosis Jones, Neanderthal, FrostWraith.

. So unless a third party really is involved, we'll be stuck with

So how about this. I'll give you one more post to give counter-arguments to what I said.

Did you not read above the post you just replied to. Ignoring what I say doesn't make it non existent or wrong.

Whoever has more that agrees with him is the clear winner

And what makes that so? You're picking random people off the internet to be judges without any background checks on their sense of logic or intelligence. If BluePikmin11 had 3 friends that say Tom Nook is a good idea as appose to my 2 friends who say it isn't, where is your proof that they know what they're talking about more than us? Just because there's more of them? Does that mean if the amount of Christians is bigger than Buddhists, that Christianity is the true religion?

And what debate are we having? The pointless addition of Dry Bowser (who I said could easily be a costume which most of you agreed on) or the pointlessness of Mewtwo being able to swap forms during battle (which people have defended saying that he has different physics, even though his abilities are the same)?

You're going to have to pick one. And I will only accept this if the people judging are qualified, civil, reasonable. And who's to say people won't just ignore my defenses or statements and say I never made them? I'm not doing this little "Challenge" Until I am convinced we have intelligent and reasonable people participating, preferably in an exclusive room.

EX: Swampasaur, Morbid Altruism, FalKoopa, KingMario92, Scoliosis Jones, Neanderthal, FrostWraith.

. So unless a third party really is involved, we'll be stuck with another situation where Noah believes he won despite no clear winner being decided at all.

Not he'd listen to anything less than him winning, either way.

Like you don't do that???


Not he'd listen to anything less than him winning, either way.

Are you seriously trying to claim you don't do that? Because you often do, and even get pretty snippy about it. Just because I prove your side to be flawed doesn't mean I'm never wrong. You seem to say that when I defend anything.

we'll be stuck with another situation where Noah believes he won despite no clear winner being decided at all.

Sort of like how you try to get the last word in, to make it sound like you won because you posted a gif or insult to the other person, even if it's not a response to their defenses at all, again to make it seem as if you won something?

 

[Curious Villager]

B-But.... Lucina....

Ah well I like Anna more anyway.

 

[Gune]

But we already have our penis confusing characters.

Not enough we need more.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

So how about this. I'll give you one more post to give counter-arguments to what I said.

Did you not read above the post you just replied to. Ignoring what I say doesn't make it non existent or wrong.

Whoever has more that agrees with him is the clear winner

And what makes that so? You're picking random people off the internet to be judges without any background checks on their sense of logic or intelligence. If BluePikmin11 had 3 friends that say Tom Nook is a good idea as appose to my 2 friends who say it isn't, where is your proof that they know what they're talking about more than us? Just because there's more of them? Does that mean if the amount of Christians is bigger than Buddhists, that Christianity is the true religion?

And what debate are we having? The pointless addition of Dry Bowser (who I said could easily be a costume which most of you agreed on) or the pointlessness of Mewtwo being able to swap forms during battle (which people have defended saying that he has different physics, even though his abilities are the same)?

You're going to have to pick one. And I will only accept this if the people judging are qualified, civil, reasonable. And who's to say people won't just ignore my defenses or statements and say I never made them? I'm not doing this little "Challenge" Until I am convinced we have intelligent and reasonable people participating, preferably in an exclusive room.

EX: Swampasaur, Morbid Altruism, FalKoopa, KingMario92, Scoliosis Jones, Neanderthal, FrostWraith.

. So unless a third party really is involved, we'll be stuck with another situation where Noah believes he won despite no clear winner being decided at all.

Not he'd listen to anything less than him winning, either way.

I you trying to say you don't do that, because you clearly do. Just because I prove your side to be flawed it doesn't mean I won't acknowledge your side. Just because I'm right on something doesn't mean I'm never wrong.

we'll be stuck with another situation where Noah believes he won despite no clear winner being decided at all.

Sort of like how you just post a gif or insult directed at me, even when it's not a response/quote to what I said, just to give the illusion you are either smarter or won something when you don't want to attempt to contradict my last post?