Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Swamp Sensei]

EX: Swampasaur, .

Really?

I thought you thought the opposite dude.

I feel special now.

 

[LaniusShrike]

What we really need is more Yo-Yos. Its potential hasn't even been scratched, with all the different yo-yo techniques out there.

(Unless people seriously think that Around the World, and Walk the Dog are the only YoYo techniques ever made) XD

I think I know who you're talking about! A classic NES character that doesn't get nearly as much attention as he could be, jumping around fighting weird mutants with his trusty yo-yo...

Spoiler

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I think I know who you're talking about! A classic NES character that doesn't get nearly as much attention as he could be, jumping around fighting weird mutants with his trusty yo-yo...

Spoiler

Cheetah Men would be better.

 

[Arcanir]

Yeah... he comes across much more as a piece of backstory, like a father figure, not a part of the current story that is Samus's epic journey to fame across the galaxy.

I don't personally feel very positive about the thought of Dark Samus or MB getting in either, though, to be honest... DS would be an asbolutely fantastic alternate costume, but I have trouble regarding it as a Nintendo all-star... Partially because "it" is a much more accurate pronoun than "she". More of a phenomenon than a character, y'know?

Pretty much, he's somewhat like the Chozo in that regard since he helped shaped her.

Yeah I do doubt both (though I'll say DS may technically be a female, the Pirate logs and the like refer to her as such), MB I think she has a slightly better chance since she's connected to Mother Brain and thus could represent her but I can understand that not being enough.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Cheetah Men would be better.

WHATEVER.


Edit: @Arcanir
Yeah, referring to DS as "she" is fair, but the Space Pirates were doing so simply because they basically saw her literally as "The Dark Hunter (Samus)", so there's no reason that they'd consider calling DS anything but "she".

I always have trouble actually equating the MB character to Mother Brain. Also, I think the fact that they gave her the "MB" acronym is just kind of... silly and too meta. Takes you out of the game experience. Whatevs.

 

[Opossum]

No joke, a curling-character would be cool, if one ever existed for Nintendo. Most Nintendo character that have curled are already in Smash.

 

[AEMehr]

Again that doesn't take a lot of development time.

It's still time that could be better used towards other things.

Bowser has not become Dry Bowser once, he becomes Dry Bowser in Super Mario 3D Land, New Super Mario Bros. 2, and quite possibly Super Mario 3D World.

Also there's nothing SAYING that Dry Bowser is a separate entity in Mario Kart Wii or Mario Tennis Open. I believe Mario & Sonic at The Winter Olympic Games is the only one where he is officially a separate entity.

Where is the proof that Bowser has become Dry Bowser in 3D Land and NSMB2? I've played through both games and nothing suggested that Bowser became Dry Bowser. We can also only assume that Dry Bowser will be once again present as the "Secret" Final Boss again, but to what merit? He probably might just be stuck in it just like he was in 3D Land and NSMB2. We didn't see Bowser transform into Dry Bowser in those games, so we can't assume that he became him without any confirmation.

I thought we clarified this isn't Final Smash related.

Then what is it? Are you basically saying you want Bowser to take visible battle damage, because if that was scrapped in the previous game, why would it be present now? Dry Bowser should stick to being an alternate costume at best.

If you could better explain what you want to happen to Bowser to make him become Dry Bowser, maybe it would be easier for me to understand what you're wanting out of this.

Nobody wants to switch between 2 characters just to change their weight and speed, that is a waste of development time that would actually take up more development time.

You might not want to, but when the topic was brought up earlier in the topic people seemed very open to the idea and accepted the concept.
Also at least the development time would go into something that actually effects what is happening on the battlefield instead of it being wasted on something purely aesthetic.

That's not wacky or crazy, it's pointless and stupid. All you did was change his weight and speed. Who cares?

The person playing as Mewtwo would care very much.
A character isn't defined by their moveset.
Why would anyone want to play as Fox if you could play as Falco in Melee? Same goes for Link and Toon Link in Brawl.
They've got the same moveset after all.
>_>

That's not completely different. It's not even different enough to notice. It's just transforming into a slightly better Mewtwo with the same moves, meaning you'd always be the slightly better version so why not just start out as it?

I don't know why you're so against the idea of making a clone character be accessible by the original one. It's something we haven't really seen before and the transformation progress would ideally be faster, allowing you to swap on the fly.

I never said that, I said there's no point in transforming into an upgraded version of a character with better stats and the same exact moves. Just have Newtwo, it saves development time. I didn't even notice Dr. Mario's differences in physics until somebody told me. And even then Dr. Mario was pointless to have. It makes no sense for a character to get a smashball or press the down button transform into a clone of themselves.

>Giga Bowser

All the differences you've claimed Newtwo has are pointless, unnoticeable, or just better than Mewtwo. It's a waste of time so just have Newtwo. This is more pointless than Dry Bowser because it takes more time to treat both forms as their own character.

Maybe to a child they are, but to a game developer they are enough to make a character different, as is shown by the clone character present in Melee. As somebody aspiring to become a game developer yourself, I figured you would have understood this, but I seem to have been mistaken.

Basically what I'm saying is none of your suggestions make Newtwo unique from Mewtwo. If it's just a change in stats there is literally no point. You do realize I could just use physics as a dumb excuse to have Dry Bowser be a transformable, right?

He's just as unique as a clone character in Melee, which is the point of having the ability to swap forms in the first place.

Except your "dumb" excuse to make Dry Bowser a transformable character is dumb because Bowser doesn't choose to become Dry Bowser. He was forced to by having Kamek put a spell on his remains after being burnt to a crisp by Mario.
It's not something Bowser actually chose to have happen to him, is it?

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

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The whole "nobody here is intelligent enough to discuss this as third parties" bit would have more merit if you could list good examples for third party tie-breakers of your own. Most of those people are people you've named are all plenty intelligent and open-minded speculators. You're the only one who has blocked them for reasons of being "too unintelligent". Everyone here is a reasonable third party because they come up with their own decisions. They're not involved in this back-to-back blocks of anger you and I are swapping. They have plenty of merit to decide for us where we can't. Using random people is the exact same way US court determines their juries. The system has shown that third-party input works for ending cases like ours. So if you really want to veil a fair challenge as "biased on part of most people here being idiots", go right ahead Noah. That should speak miles for who's more sensible in all of this mess.

You have proved nothing other than that your belief is that being the most tenacious automatically makes you correct. I'm not as tenacious as you, however, so if that helps you sleep at night knowing that you've never lost an argument on the internet, go ahead, believe that. I can't save everyone from their own arrogance. Since you won't acknowledge any possible way for us to settle our differences besides being right, we should just end this here. Go ahead and block me again, since my kind is apparently idiotic to you. You'll be doing the thread a favor in that you won't be writing as many whiny, ranty blocks of texts if I'm not there to challenge your own self-satisfaction. Nothing I say will convince you anything beyond that I'm the core example of what's wrong here and that your "open-mindedness" is the best thing to ever come about this place.

Everyone like Noah's post while we're all at it. After all, he's never wrong and none know better than him, amirite guys??

 

[FlareHabanero]

No joke, a curling-character would be cool, if one ever existed for Nintendo.

We should start a kickstarter for this. The world must experience the joys of curling, even if the very life we bare is all for nothing!

 

[Hotfeet444]

Did you not read above the post you just replied to. Ignoring what I say doesn't make it non existent or wrong.


And what makes that so? You're picking random people off the internet to be judges without any background checks on their sense of logic or intelligence. If BluePikmin11 had 3 friends that say Tom Nook is a good idea as appose to my 2 friends who say it isn't, where is your proof that they know what they're talking about more than us? Just because there's more of them? Does that mean if the amount of Christians is bigger than Buddhists, that Christianity is the true religion?

And what debate are we having? The pointless addition of Dry Bowser (who I said could easily be a costume which most of you agreed on) or the pointlessness of Mewtwo being able to swap forms during battle (which people have defended saying that he has different physics, even though his abilities are the same)?

You're going to have to pick one. And I will only accept this if the people judging are qualified, civil, reasonable. And who's to say people won't just ignore my defenses or statements and say I never made them? I'm not doing this little "Challenge" Until I am convinced we have intelligent and reasonable people participating, preferably in an exclusive room.

EX: Swampasaur, Morbid Altruism, FalKoopa, KingMario92, Scoliosis Jones, Neanderthal, FrostWraith, Hotfeet444

I you trying to say you don't do that, because you clearly do. Just because I prove your side to be flawed it doesn't mean I won't acknowledge your side. Just because I'm right on something doesn't mean I'm never wrong.

Sort of like how you just post a gif or insult directed at me, even when it's not a response/quote to what I said, just to give the illusion you are either smarter or won something when you don't want to attempt to contradict my last post?

Just going to add my name because you're too smug to do so. Kay thanks, it's so kind of (me) you. :3

The whole "nobody here is intelligent enough to discuss this as third parties" bit would have more merit if you could list good examples for third party tie-breakers of your own. Most of those people are people you've named are all plenty intelligent and open-minded speculators. You're the only one who has blocked them for reasons of being "too unintelligent". Everyone here is a reasonable third party because they come up with their own decisions. They're not involved in this back-to-back blocks of anger you and I are swapping. They have plenty of merit to decide for us where we can't. Using random people is the exact same way US court determines their juries. The system has shown that third-party input works for ending cases like ours. So if you really want to veil a fair challenge as "biased on part of most people here being idiots", go right ahead Noah. That should speak miles for who's more sensible in all of this mess.

You have proved nothing other than that your belief is that being the most tenacious automatically makes you correct. If that helps you sleep at night knowing that you've never lost an argument on the internet, go ahead, believe that. I can't save everyone from their own arrogance. Since you won't acknowledge any possible way for us to settle our differences besides being right, we should just end this here. Go ahead and block me again, since my kind is apparently idiotic to you. You'll be doing the thread a favor in that you won't be writing as many whiny, ranty blocks of texts if I'm not there to challenge your own self-satisfaction.

Everyone like Noah's post while we're all at it. After all, he's never wrong and none know better than him, amirite guys??

OBJECTION! He hasn't won a single argument against me, or pretty much anyone else on this site from what I've seen, it's just been ignorance if you ask me.

PS: That was beautiful, I think I shed a tear.

 

[Opossum]

We should start a kickstarter for this. The world must experience the joys of curling, even if the very life we bare is all for nothing!

I know you're just joking and all, but I actually find it pretty funny that we have so many things that are opposite as far as what we like I legitimately like curling, haha.


Unless I overthought this and you were actually serious. But going off on that idea for a bit, I'd imagine the hypothetical character would have extremely low traction, can make the ground more slippery by brushing it, and then punish the foe when they trip and fall with a heavy curling stone. I dunno, I think that could be sort of cool. *shrugs*


But anyway, I do need to disagree with Noah on something. Having Mewtwo change between two forms while only the statistics of the character being adjusted is not a waste of development. That could be a legitimate playstyle that focuses on switching between the forms to keep your foe guessing, as well as fitting the situation at hand. It could lead to some pretty deep maneuvers. Writing the idea off because "no one would care" is highly false. I bet the competitive side of the community, at the very least, would eat it up.

 

[Reznor]

if we talking 3rd parties then I say we talk Bomberman (or pacman again)

 

[Autumn ♫]

The whole "nobody here is intelligent enough to discuss this as third parties" bit would have more merit if you could list good examples for third party tie-breakers of your own. Most of those people are people you've named are all plenty intelligent and open-minded speculators. You're the only one who has blocked them for reasons of being "too unintelligent". Everyone here is a reasonable third party because they come up with their own decisions. They're not involved in this back-to-back blocks of anger you and I are swapping. They have plenty of merit to decide for us where we can't. Using random people is the exact same way US court determines their juries. The system has shown that third-party input works for ending cases like ours. So if you really want to veil a fair challenge as "biased on part of most people here being idiots", go right ahead Noah. That should speak miles for who's more sensible in all of this mess.

You have proved nothing other than that your belief is that being the most tenacious automatically makes you correct. I'm not as tenacious as you, however, so if that helps you sleep at night knowing that you've never lost an argument on the internet, go ahead, believe that. I can't save everyone from their own arrogance. Since you won't acknowledge any possible way for us to settle our differences besides being right, we should just end this here. Go ahead and block me again, since my kind is apparently idiotic to you. You'll be doing the thread a favor in that you won't be writing as many whiny, ranty blocks of texts if I'm not there to challenge your own self-satisfaction. Nothing I say will convince you anything beyond that I'm the core example of what's wrong here and that your "open-mindedness" is the best thing to ever come about this place.

Everyone like Noah's post while we're all at it. After all, he's never wrong and none know better than him, amirite guys??

if we talking 3rd parties then I say we talk Bomberman (or pacman again)

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He's not really that likely, unless somehow Snake and Simon Belmont don't get in.

 

[Hotfeet444]

if we talking 3rd parties then I say we talk Bomberman (or pacman again)

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Hmmmmm...Bomberman...a good choice, but since Hudson isn't their own company anymore and is now owned by Konami, Bomberman would count as a Konami character, and would be getting rid of Snake. Snake, who is arguably more popular, more iconic, and from a much better series of games, is more deserving as he is pretty much their mascot. I say the idea of Bomberman before the Hudson merging was a good choice, but now he pretty much has no chance.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

if we talking 3rd parties then I say we talk Bomberman (or pacman again)

Personally, I would love Bomberman, but being Konami property now feels a little troublesome considering that Snake would be the only Konami character to make it in. More than one 3rd party per company would probably upset some people. If only Hudson didn't dissolve into Konami, Bomberman would seem a lot more realistic.

Quote of myself

Did you mean to do that? You didn't say anything else.

 

[Reznor]

He's not really that likely, unless somehow Snake and Simon Belmont don't get in.

hes probably my favorite 3rd party that even has a slight chance (his RPG game was awesome KirbyPikachu hyrbid is really cute)

Hmmmmm...Bomberman...a good choice, but since Hudson isn't their own company anymore and is now owned by Konami, Bomberman would count as a Konami character, and would be getting rid of Snake. Snake, who is arguably more popular, more iconic, and from a much better series of games, is more deserving as he is pretty much their mascot. I say the idea of Bomberman before the Hudson merging was a good choice, but now he pretty much has no chance.

Bomberman>MGS it multiplayer is awesome (i'm going to get so much hate for saying that)

I know bomberman doesn't have a chance but every one wants at least 1 character that won't make sense

 

[FlareHabanero]

I'd gladly take Bomberman over Pac-man any day to be honest.

 

[LaniusShrike]

I know you're just joking and all, but I actually find it pretty funny that we have so many things that are opposite as far as what we like I legitimately like curling, haha.


Unless I overthought this and you were actually serious. But going off on that idea for a bit, I'd imagine the hypothetical character would have extremely low traction, can make the ground more slippery by brushing it, and then punish the foe when they trip and fall with a heavy curling stone. I dunno, I think that could be sort of cool. *shrugs*


But anyway, I do need to disagree with Noah on something. Having Mewtwo change between two forms while only the statistics of the character being adjusted is not a waste of development. That could be a legitimate playstyle that focuses on switching between the forms to keep your foe guessing, as well as fitting the situation at hand. It could lead to some pretty deep maneuvers. Writing the idea off because "no one would care" is highly false. I bet the competitive side of the community, at the very least, would eat it up.

I'm thinkin' that'd be a great Assist Trophy, someone who comes up and sweeps the stage to lower the traction and then another curler comes and pushes people around then launches a... curling puck. Or whatever it's called.

I agree that different Mewtwo formes wouldn't be much work at all and that it could be an interesting mechanic...
But, is that how formes work in Pokemon? Are they an at-will transformation? I was under the impression that the new Mewtwo was basically a whole new creature, sort of.

Unfortunately, I don't think they'd be usable as alternate costumes, simply because the body proportions are different and the tail's completely changed between formes...

 

[Autumn ♫]

Did you mean to do that? You didn't say anything else.

Oh, sorry about that. I was meaning to say that at first I thought you were talking about characters like Snake and Sonic as 3rd partyXD

 

[Hotfeet444]

hes probably my favorite 3rd party that even has a slight chance (his RPG game was awesome KirbyPikachu hyrbid is really cute)



Bomberman>MGS it multiplayer is awesome (i'm going to get so much hate for saying that)

I know bomberman doesn't have a chance but every one wants at least 1 character that won't make sense

That's your opinion, and I respect it, but I personally disagree. MGS has fantastic stories, characters, locations, and more, as well as being an incredibly successful franchise with some of the best games ever created (My opinion, although alot seem to think so). And it's not that it doesn't make sense, it's just at a bad time, if Hudson was still on their own, I'm sure Hudson would be the next third party to be represented, but now it's all but a pipe dream, especially since Konami is not a company that Sakurai was looking for characters from but was only interested as including Snake as a sign of friendship to Kojima. As for my character that doesn't make sense...

Spoiler

Sue Me, it was a good nintendo-exclusive series

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Mr. L isn't the point either. Than why did you bring him up?

Why don't you if you insist upon predicting characters nobody else sees at all likely? Like Who?

Explain to me why we have Sheik, ZZS, and Pokemon Trainer and I think you'll find your answer. They are all Completely different, where as you have not posted a single thing that makes Newtwo's abilities unique from Mewtwo.

When Mewtwo has popularity going above characters like K. Rool, Ridley, Krystal, Bowser Jr., and Little Mac, yes, more people would be more satisfied with effort put into the most requested character will layers of importance to the Pokemon series. But, you'd still have him, he's just not the classic look. I'ts STILL Mewtwo. Are you denying that it isn't?

Not all of them would. With a different body structure, he could easily perform different attacks that aren't just psychic. LIKE??? (also how does his body structure make his moves different. Slapping someone with his tail is still the same thing regardless if it's connected to his head or his ass.) Please give examples instead of saying "well, he just does"

Here's the thing if tons of people say Newtwo has completely different moves, but don't say what those moves are, you seem to come to the conclusion that he has them when NONE of you have given proof or examples. Just claims. The amount of people who agree with you have to be people who back up their opinions.

Please post Newtwo's abilities or else you have NO proof that he is unique enough to be a swappable character. Meaning the amount of people who say he does, account for NOTHING, because they don't say what moves he has, just that he has them.

You could have 1,000 people saying they agree Newtwo has moves completely different from Mewtwo, but it doesn't make a difference unless they post proof of what they are.

There may be more people that believe in a god than those who don't, but that doesn't make him real unless those people have sufficient proof. You seem to think that if a side has bigger numbers that turns their beliefs into fact.

Where is the proof that Bowser has become Dry Bowser in 3D Land and NSMB2? He falls in the lava at the end of the battle in the first half in the game. Same in NSMB2. Where is the proof that he's a different person?

We didn't see Bowser transform into Dry Bowser in those games, so we can't assume that he became him without any confirmation. You can't assume he's a different person either.

I don't know why you're so against the idea of making a clone character be accessible by the original one. It's something we haven't really seen before and the transformation progress would ideally be faster, allowing you to swap on the fly. Again, because it serves no purpose, it's pointless and a waste of time. Of course it's different, but it's not different enough for Sakurai to even bother implementing it. Do you not understand the stupidity of a Character transforming into HIMSELF? If he reached this form after a certain amount of time THAT would make sense, but not switching back in fourth through them. The point is that you say he still does everything Mewtwo does! So it doesn't matter which one you are, so you might as well close your eyes and pick one. Sakurai does not have characters transform into a clones of themselves. That's enough to go on when I say it's almost certainly not gonna change this time. It doesn't matter what you all think would be cool, it matters what Sakurai thinks is worth implementing and having present alongside others.

This Mewtwo swapping between each other would have been a good idea for Melee, but this isn't Melee. If Mewtwo and Newtwo have different enough abilities, that will make it likely. But so far none have been confirmed.

The point is people just want both looks, they think that no matter how pointless there ideas are, the look alone is what makes that idea not pointless. Because they'll get what they want. Whatever it takes to to make both forms available no matter how bias.

I know bomberman doesn't have a chance but every one wants at least 1 character that won't make sense

Konami has recently acquired one of the most popular/iconic third-party characters from the deceased Hudson Soft. Bomberman has had as much affiliation with Nintendo as any of the third-parties if not more and has had games on practically every game machine since NES. It hasn't been confirmed that third-party characters will returna and Sakurai and Konami may want to make use of this character.
Most games that have guest characters usually only have them once. If any game does that it should be Smash Bros. I'm sure Sakurai may want to prioritize Nintendo Characters in a Nintendo fighting game, and not have too many Third-Parties. We could have Sonic, Snake, and Mega Man, and thought it's hard to imagine SSB without Sonic, there is the possibility either 3 will be too many and Sakurai may want a second third-party to have a chance.

So how is he not likely?

You have proved nothing other than that your belief is that being the most tenacious automatically makes you correct. I'm not as tenacious as you, however, so if that helps you sleep at night knowing that you've never lost an argument on the internet, go ahead, believe that. I can't save everyone from their own arrogance. Since you won't acknowledge any possible way for us to settle our differences besides being right, we should just end this here. Go ahead and block me again, since my kind is apparently idiotic to you. You'll be doing the thread a favor in that you won't be writing as many whiny, ranty blocks of texts if I'm not there to challenge your own self-satisfaction. Nothing I say will convince you anything beyond that I'm the core example of what's wrong here and that your "open-mindedness" is the best thing to ever come about this place.

Everyone like Noah's post while we're all at it. After all, he's never wrong and none know better than him, amirite guys??

If you don't post proof and examples of each statement, I'm gonna put you on ignore. If you don't post at least one example (through quote of me doing it) of me doing everything you claimed I do or say, I will put you on ignore. You are again just discrediting your opponent to give the illusion that your side is right.

 

[Opossum]

I'm thinkin' that'd be a great Assist Trophy, someone who comes up and sweeps the stage to lower the traction and then another curler comes and pushes people around then launches a... curling puck. Or whatever it's called.

Curling stone, actually.

I agree that different Mewtwo formes wouldn't be much work at all and that it could be an interesting mechanic...
But, is that how formes work in Pokemon? Are they an at-will transformation? I was under the impression that the new Mewtwo was basically a whole new creature, sort of.

It really depends on the Pokemon, actually. Most of them who have different formes go about the transformation in different ways. According to the leak, Mewtwo accesses his form(s) (since the leak described two new Mewtwo forms) through an item of some kind. The form itself isn't a new Pokemon, though. Just a new form, which may have a different stat spread.

Unfortunately, I don't think they'd be usable as alternate costumes, simply because the body proportions are different and the tail's completely changed between formes...

Agreed here. I think it would just make things a bit...awkward, seeing as they don't have the same proportions.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Noah, what's so wrong about having both forms of Mewtwo? They can transform, while still having the same moves, but their stats are different.

 

[LaniusShrike]

That's your opinion, and I respect it, but I personally disagree. MGS has fantastic stories, characters, locations, and more, as well as being an incredibly successful franchise with some of the best games ever created (My opinion, although alot seem to think so). And it's not that it doesn't make sense, it's just at a bad time, if Hudson was still on their own, I'm sure Hudson would be the next third party to be represented, but now it's all but a pipe dream, especially since Konami is not a company that Sakurai was looking for characters from but was only interested as including Snake as a sign of friendship to Kojima. As for my character that doesn't make sense...

Sue Me, it was a good nintendo-exclusive series

I think a lot of people who criticize Metal Gear Solid and say that Snake doesn't fit haven't played the games. They're super silly at times and a lot of the characters are really colorful.

All the same, Bomberman very much fits in with the rest of the cast. I'd love to see him, despite how unlikely he is.

Also... I don't think I have ever heard of Shantae. Seems fun, though!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

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Noah, what's so wrong about having both forms of Mewtwo? They can transform, while still having the same moves, but their stats are different.

That's what's wrong with it.

 

[Autumn ♫]

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That's what's wrong with it.

I don't see how.

 

[Reznor]

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I just don't think we will have 2 konami characters

 

[Swamp Sensei]

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That's what's wrong with it.

A character that has full control over its weight and speed could be very interesting.

We don't have a stat altering character in smash yet.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Mr. L isn't the point either. Than why did you bring him up?

Why don't you if you insist upon predicting characters nobody else sees at all likely? Like Who?

Explain to me why we have Sheik, ZZS, and Pokemon Trainer and I think you'll find your answer. They are all Completely different, where as you have not posted a single thing that makes Newtwo's abilities unique from Mewtwo.

When Mewtwo has popularity going above characters like K. Rool, Ridley, Krystal, Bowser Jr., and Little Mac, yes, more people would be more satisfied with effort put into the most requested character will layers of importance to the Pokemon series. But, you'd still have him, he's just not the classic look. I'ts STILL Mewtwo. Are you denying that it isn't?

Not all of them would. With a different body structure, he could easily perform different attacks that aren't just psychic. LIKE??? (also how does his body structure make his moves different. Slapping someone with his tail is still the same thing regardless if it's connected to his head or his ***.) Please give examples instead of saying "well, he just does"

Here's the thing if tons of people say Newtwo has completely different moves, but don't say what those moves are, you seem to come to the conclusion that he has them when NONE of you have given proof or examples. Just claims. The amount of people who agree with you have to be people who back up their opinions.

Please post Newtwo's abilities or else you have NO proof that he is unique enough to be a swappable character. Meaning the amount of people who say he does, account for NOTHING, because they don't say what moves he has, just that he has them.

You could have 1,000 people saying they agree Newtwo has moves completely different from Mewtwo, but it doesn't make a difference unless they post proof of what they are.

There may be more people that believe in a god than those who don't, but that doesn't make him real unless those people have sufficient proof. You seem to think that if a side has bigger numbers that turns their beliefs into fact.

Oh just put him on ignore already you ****er, stop acting like it's a gift to be able to argue with you, especially when it's all the more fun to be on it than off of it than on it. By the way, It's not called Newtwo, it's "Awakened/Eclair Mewtwo", seriously, we've only known about that for about four months now?

Noah, what's so wrong about having both forms of Mewtwo? They can transform, while still having the same moves, but their stats are different.

To be honest, if they're going to have the same moves, having them transform seems kind of pointless. Usually the point of having a transformation is to play as a different styled character, but if the only difference is going to be movement speed and power/weight, there's not really any point.

 

[Curious Villager]

Yeah I'd rather have Bomberman over Pac-man as well actually. Bomberman was actually one of my first third party series I've played. Had lots of fun with it.

But I still rather want Layton if we can only have one more third party newcomer....

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I just don't think we will have 2 konami characters

Who said Third-Parites are returning, if they don't that would only be 1 Konami character who didn't even descend from Konami.

A character that has full control over its weight and speed could be very interesting.

We don't have a stat altering character in smash yet.

I'm on the edge of my seat right now...

(if you want stat altering, wouldn't that be in the form of character customization? Did we forget Sakurai is considering that?)

 

[Opossum]

Who said Third-Parites are returning, if they don't that would only be 1 Konami character who didn't even descend from Konami.

If we get anyone from Konami, it'd be Snake. We'd never get Bomberman over Snake, considering Snake was a gesture between friends.

I'm on the edge of my seat right now

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(if you want stat altering, wouldn't that be in the form of character customization? Did we forget Sakurai is considering that?)

Plenty of people would find that to be an interesting character.

And as for the second part, I highly doubt that the "customization" things can be done mid-battle, which is what's being described here. It really does appear to be an interesting mechanic.

 

[Reznor]

Who said Third-Parites are returning, if they don't that would only be 1 Konami character who didn't even descend from Konami.



I'm on the edge of my seat right now...

(if you want stat altering, wouldn't that be in the form of character customization? Did we forget Sakurai is considering that?)

then it becomes an entirely new debate the will snake come back or not

 

[Hotfeet444]

I think a lot of people who criticize Metal Gear Solid and say that Snake doesn't fit haven't played the games. They're super silly at times and a lot of the characters are really colorful.

All the same, Bomberman very much fits in with the rest of the cast. I'd love to see him, despite how unlikely he is.

Also... I don't think I have ever heard of Shantae. Seems fun, though!

Well if you're interested, now's the perfect time to do so. The first game got released on the 3DS eShop recently and the Dsi ware sequel is still one of the best downloadable titles you can get at this point, not to mention the new game in the franchise is set to release later this year.

As for Metal Gear Solid, of course there's a ton of whacky and silly things, the most notable one? Psycho Mantis of course! Reads your memory cards, knows what games you play (If they're from Konami and/or Nintendo for the remake on the Gamecube), and makes your controller move on its own by making it vibrate like all hell's broken loose. ...I loved Psycho Mantis...it shocked me that his VA is now doing Valkenhayn R. Hellsing in Blazblue.

Who said Third-Parites are returning, if they don't that would only be 1 Konami character who didn't even descend from Konami.

Where in the hell did you even get the idea that Konami is the first go-to company if Sonic and Snake don't come from? And better yet, if they don't come back, what the hell makes you think they'll go back to the same company and ask for another character? If Snake doesn't come back, NO Konami character is getting in.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I'm on the edge of my seat right now...

(if you want stat altering, wouldn't that be in the form of character customization? Did we forget Sakurai is considering that?)

Imagine this.

Mewtwo has a move that allows him to change form. Stats are completely different and he could act like a stance character. He could change form mid combo too.

Imagine hitting the opponent with a bunch of small hits as Awakened form, changing form mid combo and then hitting the opponent with one final powerful attack as normal Mewtwo. Or using Awakened Mewtwo to rush to an item or switching to normal Mewtwo so that you can survive hits easier due to increased weight. There are all sorts of possibilities dude. Especially if you can switch on the fly. Think about it.

 

[Reznor]

I think a lot of people who criticize Metal Gear Solid and say that Snake doesn't fit haven't played the games. They're super silly at times and a lot of the characters are really colorful.

All the same, Bomberman very much fits in with the rest of the cast. I'd love to see him, despite how unlikely he is.

Also... I don't think I have ever heard of Shantae. Seems fun, though!

well I've never played a MGS game and I don't think I ever will game looks boring to me

 

[LaniusShrike]

Imagine this.

Mewtwo has a move that allows him to change form. Stats are completely different and he could act like a stance character. He could change form mid combo too.

Imagine hitting the opponent with a bunch of small hits as Awakened form, changing form mid combo and then hitting the opponent with one final powerful attack as normal Mewtwo. Or using Awakened Mewtwo to rush to an item or switching to normal Mewtwo so that you can survive hits easier due to increased weight. There are all sorts of possibilities dude. Especially if you can switch on the fly. Think about it.

If it was implemented, I don't think it'd be useable mid-combo (or smoothly) at all, but the general concept definitely isn't ridiculous or even "boring", really. It's another character gimmick, and Smash is full of 'em.

I don't really personally like the transforme, but I that's mostly because I really like Mewtwo in Melee and mostly want that guy but actually designed well.

Edit: Dang, people keep responding to me right when I'm making a post, heh.
@Reznor
Yeah, stealth games aren't everyone's bag... but the dialogue in the games is really solid and the characters are pretty fun. It's a super ridiculous game filled with sci-fi impossibilities and literal magic. Stealth games aren't really my thing, but I'm glad that I've played through the three MGS games that I have.

 

[Hotfeet444]

well I've never played a MGS game and I don't think I ever will game looks boring to me

Not really, but it's not exactly I'd recommend to someone who suffers from depression...although I suffer from clinical depression and have played every single title in the franchise, but none-the-less! No, but seriously, MGS3 & 4 are freaking depressing tear-jerkers.

 

[Reznor]

Not really, but it's not exactly I'd recommend to someone who suffers from depression...although I suffer from clinical depression and have played every single title in the franchise, but none-the-less! No, but seriously, MGS3 & 4 are freaking depressing tear-jerkers.

one reason I don't want to start playing them is that there are ton of games in the MGS franchise

 

[TheCreator]

I'd take Pacman over Bomberman any day.....imo Pacman earned his spot. And Bomberman did too, but Pacman is on a level of video game iconicness that I would call 'God Tier'
And while Bomberman goes on an adventure with Wario....Pacman and Mario and the rest of his friends go kart racing. 3 Times. With the latest recent enough to use his new design.