Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[kingmario92]

gen 3 was probably my favorite to from a usefulness and effectiveness of each one. however gen 1 is still my favorite because Squirtle is my second fav pokemon there is, Eevee being first, and the other 2 starters are pretty great as well. gen 2 has honestly my least fav assortment of starters thus far... outside of gen 5 i guess

Same here. Gen 1 does come close in second for me. In fact, Blastoise is actually my favorite pokemon ever

 

[MargnetMan23]

gen 3 started the Fire/Fighting trend just because of this it is one of the worst gens
and Sceptile looks dumb



but Cyndaquil was the worst gen 2 starter

I don't really agree with any of this though I'm not a huge fan of cyndaquil either. I don't really understand the treecko line hate, frankly to me the only grass type that looks smoother is snivy , and don't blame gen 3 for starting it, blame gen 4 for making it a trend -_-

 

[3Bismyname]

We talking about favorite Generation starters? Generation 4 starters are best. (Puts up Flame Shields)

im actually pretty ok with that gen myself. to me gen 4 takes that middle ground. not bad in any way, but nothing fantastic. though i do love Infernape. but thats me personally.

 

[IsmaR]

The sad thing is if the rumors are true, and the new Fire Starter is Fire/Psychic, it automatically is better than/beats all the Firefighters.

 

[kingmario92]

So, who do you want to see as an assist trophy in the next game?

 

[MargnetMan23]

The sad thing is if the rumors are true, and the new Fire Starter is Fire/Psychic, it automatically is better than/beats all the Firefighters.

Fennekin to me is actually one of the best looking fire starters to me but that's not saying much because I still like Froakie a lot more :D

 

[Reznor]

gen 3 was probably my favorite to from a usefulness and effectiveness of each one. however gen 1 is still my favorite because Squirtle is my second fav pokemon there is, Eevee being first, and the other 2 starters are pretty great as well. gen 2 has honestly my least fav assortment of starters thus far... outside of gen 5 i guess

what's your problem with gen 2

I'd actually say gen 4 started it because Infernape and whatever was before him copied Blaziken. I don't think Blaziken is too happy about it either.
Oh, heck no! Sceptile is freaking awesome!

but Infernape copied Blaziken therefore it is Blazikens fault
Sceptile looks dumb and you know it

I'd say it's a bit unfair to completely dismiss the 5th Gen starters. I rather liked them.

it's the only gen where I killed my starter during a Nuzlocke

O.O...well a part of me just died now

hes probably the best Fire starter at least

I don't really agree with any of this though I'm not a huge fan of cyndaquil either. I don't really understand the treecko line hate, frankly to me the only grass type that looks smoother is snivy , and don't blame gen 3 for starting it, blame gen 4 for making it a trend -_-

Treecko looks cool until his 3rd form hes not that bad

We talking about favorite Generation starters? Generation 4 starters are best. (Puts up Flame Shields)

it does have a ground/grass so its ok


Dear god didn't think my post would get this big

 

[Opossum]

The sad thing is if the rumors are true, and the new Fire Starter is Fire/Psychic, it automatically is better than/beats all the Firefighters.

Oh, they're definitely true. The same rumor confirmed the Fairy type, Pangoro, Inkay, Malimar, Sky Battles, Parabolic Charge, and some other confirmed things. That's enough proof for me

Though, that sort of sucks, because while I like them all, Fennekin is my least favorite of the Kalos Starters, haha.

 

[Reznor]

The sad thing is if the rumors are true, and the new Fire Starter is Fire/Psychic, it automatically is better than/beats all the Firefighters.

it will be Fire/Fighting it has already been decided

and why do people think it will be psychic

 

[Hotfeet444]

im actually pretty ok with that gen myself. to me gen 4 takes that middle ground. not bad in any way, but nothing fantastic. though i do love Infernape. but thats me personally.

Pfffft, Screw Infernape!

PENGUINS!!!!

 

[Silverjay323]

Fennekin to me is actually one of the best looking fire starters to me but that's not saying much because I still like Froakie a lot more :D

Dat Chespin tho. Honestly, Grass/Rock would be the best combination for it. Grass/Dark just seems horrendous.

 

[3Bismyname]

Pfffft, Screw Infernape!

PENGUINS!!!!

not a fan of penguins. i like monkeys more

 

[Opossum]

it will be Fire/Fighting it has already been decided

and why do people think it will be psychic

Because of a rumor that listed the final typings of the starters. The same source confirmed Fairy types, Parabolic Charge, Sky Battles, Inkay, Malimar, and Pangoro before they were even confirmed officially. It's kind of hard to go against that.

 

[Hotfeet444]

not a fan of penguins. i like monkeys more

Well what about a Penguin in a full set of armor with a Trident on his face?

 

[Reznor]

Dat Chespin tho. Honestly, Grass/Rock would be the best combination for it. Grass/Dark just seems horrendous.

na man hes got to be Grass/Fighting so it will fit with what i want

Chespin Grass/Fighting
Fennekin Fire/Psychic
Froakie Water/ Ghost

its the only way we can get a ghost starter

 

[MargnetMan23]

Dat Chespin tho. Honestly, Grass/Rock would be the best combination for it. Grass/Dark just seems horrendous.

I think Chespin's evolutions will probably be awesome but something about chespin's derpiness turns me off.

 

[Reznor]

Because of a rumor that listed the final typings of the starters. The same source confirmed Fairy types, Parabolic Charge, Sky Battles, Inkay, Malimar, and Pangoro before they were even confirmed officially. It's kind of hard to go against that.

well that does make it very likely

Fennekin will be called the best starter and be the most popular starter ever calling it now (and I shall never use him)

 

[Opossum]

well that does make it very likely

Fennekin will be called the best starter and be the most popular starter ever calling it now (and I shall never use him)

If you were curious about Chespin and Froakie, Froakie's final evolution is Water-Fighting, and Chespin's is Grass-Dark.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Because of a rumor that listed the final typings of the starters. The same source confirmed Fairy types, Parabolic Charge, Sky Battles, Inkay, Malimar, and Pangoro before they were even confirmed officially. It's kind of hard to go against that.

what were the other starter types rumored?

 

[kikaru]

#RealTalk.

How dare you steal DarkPhazon's signature catchphrase.

And yes, Speed Boost Blaziken is quite broken.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

@Oppossum, It's not really my job to make sure what I predict is what you predict. If I predict something and have good reasons, which I do, I will do so, and I'm not going to consult you when I do. Hopefully this does not affect you in the real world.

You may post a gif now if you like.

 

[N3ON]

While the rolling western may not have sold very much, or had a character who got insanley popular and requested, it's pretty clear Nintendo has it for this series. The first game was averagely recieved, the second was recieved pretty well. Almost getting 5 stars on the eShop.

How is it so clear Nintendo "has it" for this series? It's not like they advertise it or anything... and I meant received critically and commercially, not rated by people who generally give five stars for something they like and zero for something they don't.

Also, Pikmin was the most recent character to have been created by nintendo by the time brawl came out besides the miis.

The problem is you're assuming Pikmin being new actually had something to do with it being included. Sure Sakurai looks for new series, but he's still not going to include a character because they're from a new series, that character still has to merit inclusion just like older characters. You're also discounting 2nd party series, which are *gasp* also Nintendo series, and also eligible for Smash.

And while I think you're right that people will take W101 more seriously than The Rolling Western, but you can't really compare a major second party Wii U title that has been being advertised, to a series with two little known entries on the eShop. If Dillon's Rolling Western had been a Wii U title, or they are planning to make one, and it was marketed as W101 was, you're dern tootin' it would be taken seriously.

First off, there's no evidence to support the theory that second-party series have inferior chances than first-parties, it's just that the majority of Nintendo's largest series are first-party, that's why the roster is primarily first-party, not because they get extra points or something. Secondly, you're right, if Dillon got a full-fledged Wii U title it would be a different story... but he hasn't, so that's fairly moot and hypothetical.

Also, the reason him looking cool helps is not because he would be more popular because of that. It's because he'd look nice and polished on the roster, and create appeal like habanero said. Making people say "Who is this guy? He's awesome! I gotta play his games." Smash did this for me with a lot of characters. But it's especially called for that they add him if they DO plan on releasing more titles in the series. Even so i doubt his appearance.

Yeah, if Dillon was included he'd gain many fans that would transfer to his series, as any character included in Smash would, but character don't get in on appearance alone, nor do they get in so more people will play their series of origin. They get in when Sakurai feels their series or that specific character merit inclusion, not the other way around. And truthfully, c'mon, as cool as Dillon is, he's not at the level of the other characters included in Smash.

"Just because it's a new IP and Dillon looks cool doesn't mean his IP has any sort of weight behind it yet, at least compared to some of the other post-Brawl IPs. Even though Sakurai was looking for new IPs doesn't mean just because an IP is new it has what it takes in Sakurai's mind for that character to merit inclusion in Smash." You are very right here. But at the same time it could, you never know.

"You never know" is usually used in a way in which some people seem to think they can justify their unlikely biases. You're right, Dillon could be added, but looking at past inclusions, Sakurai clearly goes for the biggest series first (other than retros), and there are several series ahead of Dillon in terms of scope and impact, so I wouldn't count on it. Even characters like Starfy have more in their favour than he does at this point.

I doubt he would need any popularity to make it too, because if Dillon does make it, I don't think it would be for popularity at all.

Right, if Dillon somehow made it in this time, it definitely wouldn't be due to popularity, but he's probably not going to make it in, so I was saying his best chance lies with getting really really popular.

Other characters have more popularity than Dillon. But not more appeal. I think once a character appeals, then they are appealing and that's that. There's no 'this character is more appealing than this one' and so on or so forth. So he's up there with that one. And with that said;
Popularity usually translates to appeal. Which is not the case here. Meaning Dillon is an exception.

Well I agree that appeal is subjective, and most commonly brought up candidates have appeal to some people, so that sort of cancels that factor out for most characters...

But if Dillon is the exception to a character with appeal that didn't transfer to popularity... that's not a good thing. Popularity plays a much larger role in inclusion than appeal does...

Do I expect this character to make it? Heeeelll fokkin no. But I don't think he has no chance whatsoever.

Ok, well I agree, so I guess there's no real point in continuing any further.
(I just wouldn't put him ahead of... most other characters from currently unrepresented series)

Now your posts are red! I wonder what color they'll be next week. My bet's on orange.

As if I've even decided yet.

I call pink. Pink is the color of love and a humanitarian like me loves people.

I can assure you it won't be pink though. It just was pink, I got bored of pink. It won't be pink for a while again.

I take offense on their behalf for having this happen to me all too often as well.

I'm not really offended someone couldn't tell I was a girl based on text alone... but I'll take a rain-cheque for the next time I need someone to take offense for me, thanks!

 

[Silverjay323]

Well what about a Penguin in a full set of armor with a Trident on his face?

I think you're forgetting about the true king of 4th gen: Torterra
Srsly though. Its a freakin turtle with shrubbery on its backl

 

[Opossum]

@Oppossum, It's not really my job to make sure what I predict is what you predict. If I predict something and have good reasons, which I do, I will do so, and I'm not going to consult you when I do. Hopefully this does not affect you in the real world.

You may post a gif now if you like.

Glad to see that you ignored everything I wrote. And Opossum only has one P.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

...This is apparently the new social thread.

Sceptile looks dumb and you know it

Die plz

*waiting for Noah to post his new roster*
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[3Bismyname]

Well what about a Penguin in a full set of armor with a Trident on his face?

what about a monkey based off of Sun Wukong? . but that said overall that gen was disapointing with its set of new pokemon honestly, regardless of how much i liked Pokemon like Infernape and Lucario

 

[Swamp Sensei]

@Oppossum, It's not really my job to make sure what I predict is what you predict. If I predict something and have good reasons, which I do, I will do so, and I'm not going to consult you when I do. Hopefully this does not affect you in the real world.

You may post a gif now if you like.

I'm sensing some hostility.

 

[MargnetMan23]

I think you're forgetting about the true king of 4th gen: Torterra
Srsly though. Its a freakin turtle with shrubbery on its backl

Empoleon and Torterra are awesome, Infernape can suck it :D

 

[Reznor]

If you were curious about Chespin and Froakie, Froakie's final evolution is Water-Fighting, and Chespin's is Grass-Dark.

I should really keep up with the gen stuff

gentlemen what gen Pokemon Trainer do you want to be playable in Smash4

Gen 2 is what I want

 

[Opossum]

I should really keep up with the gen stuff

gentlemen what gen Pokemon Trainer do you want to be playable in Smash4

Preferably just the one we currently have. But if I had to chose another, Gen III or V would be my personal pick.

 

[3Bismyname]

I should really keep up with the gen stuff

gentlemen what gen Pokemon Trainer do you want to be playable in Smash4

Gen 2 is what I want

personally i would want a trainer with Squirtle, Grovyle and Charizard. it wont happen that way but those are my favorites within the linup of pokemon

 

[Autumn ♫]

but Infernape copied Blaziken therefore it is Blazikens fault
Sceptile looks dumb and you know it

I would think it would be the copier's fault for copying.
Sceptile looks cool and you know it.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

gentlemen what gen Pokemon Trainer do you want to be playable in Smash4

with and .

 

[3Bismyname]

Grovyle looks better than Sceptile ill admit that right now

 

[Sebz]

I should really keep up with the gen stuff

gentlemen what gen Pokemon Trainer do you want to be playable in Smash4

Gen 2 is what I want

Gary Oak

OAKLIFE!!!

 

[N3ON]

@Oppossum, It's not really my job to make sure what I predict is what you predict. If I predict something and have good reasons, which I do, I will do so, and I'm not going to consult you when I do. Hopefully this does not affect you in the real world.

You may post a gif now if you like.

If you don't want the consultation of others, why do you keep posting your roster in a thread designed for consulting others' rosters?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Glad to see that you ignored everything I wrote. And Opossum only has one P.

I don't have to respond with the same reasons to the same arguments, nor do I have to explain things I never said, which is what most of the users are complaining about.

 

[3Bismyname]

Gary Oak

OAKLIFE!!!

to OP for smash

 

[Reznor]

...This is apparently the new social thread.


Die plz

*waiting for Noah to post his new roster*
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I would think it would be the copier's fault for copying.
Sceptile looks cool and you know it.

Sceptile has a giant ugly looking tail and he has yellow balls on his back its ugly

 

[Opossum]

I don't have to respond with the same reasons to the same arguments, nor do I have to explain things I never said, which is what most of the users are complaining about.

Everything that I claimed you said (minus the one "fix'd" that you'll inevitably bring up) was a direct quote from you. You can even check.