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Now your posts are red! I wonder what color they'll be next week. My bet's on orange.
I call pink. Pink is the color of love and a humanitarian like me loves people.

Yea he needs to saty away from my pink. :<

Ironically pink isn't even a fave color of mine, in fact it is one of the ones I like less... But I must stay true to Joshua from TWEWY. :<
 

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I call pink. Pink is the color of love and a humanitarian like me loves people.

Yea he needs to saty away from my pink. :<

Ironically pink isn't even a fave color of mine, in fact it is one of the ones I like less... But I must stay true to Joshua from TWEWY. :<

Um...
 

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Dark Dawn was the only Golden Sun game with mediocre sales, the first two definitely surpass the sales of any game in the Starfy series. In fact the GS series with three entries has sold better than the Starfy series with five, but that is pretty clearly due to Starfy's longtime Japan-only status. Not that sales really matter... (but it does show GS has a larger audience than Starfy)



Yeah, but Pikmin was also a largely successful and popular series, not like Rolling Western which has been averagely received for the most part. Plus Pikmin wasn't a "new" IP by Brawl, it was seven years old, hardly the "newest". Plus what is "taken seriously" is kinda subjective, but people will probably be taking W101, (a series newer than Dillon's) more seriously than two eShop releases.

I guess it helps the character's popularity if they look cool, which then helps chances, but looking cool doesn't directly affect chances. Plus we've gotten many new IPs since Brawl's character selection period, like Wii Fit, Xenoblade, and other series larger or more popular than Rolling Western. Just because it's a new IP and Dillon looks cool doesn't mean his IP has any sort of weight behind it yet, at least compared to some of the other post-Brawl IPs. Even though Sakurai was looking for new IPs doesn't mean just because an IP is new it has what it takes in Sakurai's mind for that character to merit inclusion in Smash.



Yeah he does... but appeal usually translates to popularity, and other characters have more than Dillon. At this point popularity is Dillon's best shot (it would take a lot of popularity for a character like him to have a good shot for this game), and he's clearly not leading any packs.
While the rolling western may not have sold very much, or had a character who got insanley popular and requested, it's pretty clear Nintendo has it for this series. The first game was averagely recieved, the second was recieved pretty well. Almost getting 5 stars on the eShop.
Also, Pikmin was the most recent character to have been created by nintendo by the time brawl came out besides the miis. And while I think you're right that people will take W101 more seriously than The Rolling Western, but you can't really compare a major second party Wii U title that has been being advertised, to a series with two little known entries on the eShop. If Dillon's Rolling Western had been a Wii U title, or they are planning to make one, and it was marketed as W101 was, you're dern tootin' it would be taken seriously.
Also, the reason him looking cool helps is not because he would be more popular because of that. It's because he'd look nice and polished on the roster, and create appeal like habanero said. Making people say "Who is this guy? He's awesome! I gotta play his games." Smash did this for me with a lot of characters. But it's especially called for that they add him if they DO plan on releasing more titles in the series. Even so i doubt his appearance.
"Just because it's a new IP and Dillon looks cool doesn't mean his IP has any sort of weight behind it yet, at least compared to some of the other post-Brawl IPs. Even though Sakurai was looking for new IPs doesn't mean just because an IP is new it has what it takes in Sakurai's mind for that character to merit inclusion in Smash." You are very right here. But at the same time it could, you never know.
I doubt he would need any popularity to make it too, because if Dillon does make it, I don't think it would be for popularity at all.
Other characters have more popularity than Dillon. But not more appeal. I think once a character appeals, then they are appealing and that's that. There's no 'this character is more appealing than this one' and so on or so forth. So he's up there with that one. And with that said;
Popularity usually translates to appeal. Which is not the case here. Meaning Dillon is an exception.
Do I expect this character to make it? Heeeelll fokkin no. But I don't think he has no chance whatsoever.
 

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Dry Bowser is simply a skin. Bowser seems to transition over to Dry Bowser a lot. I figured this should either be a costume or something he becomes through some sort of mechanic during fight. It's not a sheik thing or a zero suit thing. Stop acting like you are so certain this minor mechanic would never happen. Obviously something so minor wouldn't waste as much development time as you make it out to be.

If you disagree that's fine, but stop taking something that's not a big deal so personally.

I added Pokemon Trainer X because Pokemon characters usually get cut. Pikachu and JigglyPuff have no reason to leave, and Mewtwo is definitely making it in. The way I see it ALL the Pokemon in Brawl are important. Including Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard. But, this did NOT stop Mewtwo from not making it into brawl. Sakurai always has the latest gen as a rep, so I added a gen 6 Pokemon Trainer because there is nobody else from Gen 6 to represent, and I thought the Trainer's Pokemon was the least important of the Brawl Pokemon Veterans.

Again, stop getting all riled up and taking the opinion of someone on the internet so seriously and personally. If you think it shouldn't be that way, suggest civilly how you think it should be.

Bottom Line: If you disagree with something or think I should change it. Why don't you SUGGEST that. I'd much rather prefer that than having my inbox spammed with rants and complaints that aren't even very good rants or complaints. You take this Smash Speculation thing way too seriously. Instead of acting like you would know better, just kindly suggest things to better my roster instead of freaking out at what I have because I'm not **** scared to step foot outside the box. I'd much appreciate that from my fellow Smashboardians.

And if you don't like an "IDEA" deal with it. It's just my opinion on what I think would be a cool idea for a Smash character, you're taking that a little too seriously too.

No offense, but even you have to agree that made you sound pretty arrogant.

You don't need to rep every generation. That's just foolish. And who's to say for sure they all won't return? That's the only naivety here...
I never said for sure they won't all return, but you just seem to instantly take it that way.

Sakurai has always had a Pokemon from the most recent Gen. He stated HIMSELF he asks the Pokemon company what the hottest Pokemon is. You're also acting real arrogant by saying that it's naive to think not all Pokemon will return, but NOT naive to think they all will.

Stop acting so certain of everything. I'd like to inform you that Mewtwo, an incredibly popular and important Pokemon character was removed for Lucario. You can't be sure Lucario will return, as his status is not even as good as Mewtwo. So why are you so sure Squirtle and the gang will return?

I will gladly take suggestions to fix my roster, I was even asking for suggestions on the Pokemon part.

As for the third-parties you say logic is a two way street, okay so why do you state the return of Sonic & Snake as fact. I didn't state their removal as fact. You just want what you think should happen to sound right. So you go around editing people's quotes to praise you.

When you say "Just put the original Pokemon Trainer there" It's not as simple as you think. Making Rosters is more complicated. I don't JUST put him there. I have to think of other things too, which Pokemon is vital, which ones would not be missed as much, am I over representing, or representing badly. I take things into consideration before I "Just put" a character in.

I will gladly take suggestions, but you're just ranting on what you don't like.
 

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Popularity =/= quality. ;)

However, I REALLY don't see Charizard going anywhere. I could see them mixing up PT and going with Piplup, Grovyle (?), and Charizard.

MY picks would probably be Snivy, Quilava, and mother fudging Swampert.
 

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Dry Bowser is simply a skin. Bowser seems to transition over to Dry Bowser a lot. I figured this should either be a costume or something he becomes through some sort of mechanic during fight. It's not a sheik thing or a zero suit thing. Stop acting like you are so certain this minor mechanic would never happen. Obviously something so minor wouldn't waste as much development time as you make it out to be.

If you disagree that's fine, but stop taking something that's not a big deal so personally.

I added Pokemon Trainer X because Pokemon characters usually get cut. Pikachu and JigglyPuff have no reason to leave, and Mewtwo is definitely making it in. The way I see it ALL the Pokemon in Brawl are important. Including Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard. But, this did NOT stop Mewtwo from not making it into brawl. Sakurai always has the latest gen as a rep, so I added a gen 6 Pokemon Trainer because there is nobody else from Gen 6 to represent, and I thought the Trainer's Pokemon was the least important of the Brawl Pokemon Veterans.

Again, stop getting all riled up and taking the opinion of someone on the internet so seriously and personally. If you think it shouldn't be that way, suggest civilly how you think it should be.

Bottom Line: If you disagree with something or think I should change it. Why don't you SUGGEST that. I'd much rather prefer that than having my inbox spammed with rants and complaints that aren't even very good rants or complaints. You take this Smash Speculation thing way too seriously. Instead of acting like you would know better, just kindly suggest things to better my roster instead of freaking out at what I have because I'm not **** scared to step foot outside the box. I'd much appreciate that from my fellow Smashboardians.

And if you don't like an "IDEA" deal with it. It's just my opinion on what I think would be a cool idea for a Smash character, you're taking that a little too seriously too.



No offense, but even you have to agree that made you sound pretty arrogant.



I never said for sure they won't all return, but you just seem to instantly take it that way.

Sakurai has always had a Pokemon from the most recent Gen. He stated HIMSELF he asks the Pokemon company what the hottest Pokemon is. You're also acting real arrogant by saying that it's naive to think not all Pokemon will return, but NOT naive to think they all will.

Stop acting so certain of everything. I'd like to inform you that Mewtwo, an incredibly popular and important Pokemon character was removed for Lucario. You can't be sure Lucario will return, as his status is not even as good as Mewtwo. So why are you so sure Squirtle and the gang will return?

I will gladly take suggestions to fix my roster, I was even asking for suggestions on the Pokemon part.

As for the third-parties you say logic is a two way street, okay so why do you state the return of Sonic & Snake as fact. I didn't state their removal as fact. You just want what you think should happen to sound right. So you go around editing people's quotes to praise you.

When you say "Just put the original Pokemon Trainer there" It's not as simple as you think. Making Rosters is more complicated. I don't JUST put him there. I have to think of other things too, which Pokemon is vital, which ones would not be missed as much, am I over representing, or representing badly. I take things into consideration before I "Just put" a character in.

I will gladly take suggestions, but you're just ranting on what you don't like.
lol

Yeah, I agree that people are taking this too seriously sometimes, but you are too.

Not sure what suggestions I should put out for now.

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If you want to get riled up and **** off about stuff you think I said or implied (which I didn't) that's not my problem either.
 

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If you want to get riled up and **** off about stuff you think I said or implied (which I didn't) that's not my problem either.
Were you referring to me or was the timing of your post a coincidence?

Blaziken.
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I wonder how Noah justifies to himself that NOBODY here likes him.
....I like him.
Well, I don't dislike him at least.
 

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While the rolling western may not have sold very much, or had a character who got insanley popular and requested, it's pretty clear Nintendo has it for this series. The first game was averagely recieved, the second was recieved pretty well. Almost getting 5 stars on the eShop.
Also, Pikmin was the most recent character to have been created by nintendo by the time brawl came out besides the miis. And while I think you're right that people will take W101 more seriously than The Rolling Western, but you can't really compare a major second party Wii U title that has been being advertised, to a series with two little known entries on the eShop. If Dillon's Rolling Western had been a Wii U title, or they are planning to make one, and it was marketed as W101 was, you're dern tootin' it would be taken seriously.
Also, the reason him looking cool helps is not because he would be more popular because of that. It's because he'd look nice and polished on the roster, and create appeal like habanero said. Making people say "Who is this guy? He's awesome! I gotta play his games." Smash did this for me with a lot of characters. But it's especially called for that they add him if they DO plan on releasing more titles in the series. Even so i doubt his appearance.
"Just because it's a new IP and Dillon looks cool doesn't mean his IP has any sort of weight behind it yet, at least compared to some of the other post-Brawl IPs. Even though Sakurai was looking for new IPs doesn't mean just because an IP is new it has what it takes in Sakurai's mind for that character to merit inclusion in Smash." You are very right here. But at the same time it could, you never know.
I doubt he would need any popularity to make it too, because if Dillon does make it, I don't think it would be for popularity at all.
Other characters have more popularity than Dillon. But not more appeal. I think once a character appeals, then they are appealing and that's that. There's no 'this character is more appealing than this one' and so on or so forth. So he's up there with that one. And with that said;
Popularity usually translates to appeal. Which is not the case here. Meaning Dillon is an exception.
Do I expect this character to make it? Heeeelll fokkin no. But I don't think he has no chance whatsoever.

as far as Dillon is concerned i think it all depends on what Sakurai and his team think of the characters potential. the series success is... debatable to say the least. but lets also keep in mind that overall there hasnt been a hugely successful new series within this last generation outside of the Wii series and Xenoblade i suppose. now i dont think he's likely either. if i were Sakurai tho i would def consider Dillon before a lot of the other more recent series around just off of design alone. but then again they may not add any more characters who premiered within the last gen so who knows. i do hope Dillon makes an apearence tho.
 

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Dry Bowser is simply a skin. Bowser seems to transition over to Dry Bowser a lot. I figured this should either be a costume or something he becomes through some sort of mechanic during fight.
Dry Bowser being a Bowser skin is an excellent idea. It's about that time Sakurai makes alternate costumes for other characters besides Wario.
 

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gentlemen this is why I picked 2nd gen it has the best pokes

1st gen
Bulbasaur- hes pretty cool not great not bad
Squirtle- this guys grows into a giant turtle with canons insta win
Charmander- wow a dragon so original :glare:

2nd gen
Chikorita- cute but is useless against every gym
Totodile- cure crocodile that turns into a monster hells yes
Cyndaquil- meh

3rd gen
Treecko- ok I guess
Mudkip- one weakness and destroyer of everything
Torchic- ok I guess but starts the fire/fighting thing so I hate him

4th gen
Turtwig- Ground/Grass and its a turtle is awesome
Piplup- its cool but Turtwig is cooler
Chimchar- fire monkey :urg:

5th Gen
all suck move on

6th gen
Chespin- dude looks awesome can't explain why though
Froakie- Frogs = best thing
Fennekin- meh
 

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3. rough in manner of behavior, unmannerly, uncouth

Anyway Noah, don't speak about recency because I'm not sure you understand how to apply it to arguments and when not to.

Don't plan DLC characters from the start, it's stupid. Especially if you're talking about cuts. DLC is the exact opposite of cuts. They won't cut somebody just to make them DLC.

Cuts aren't final. You're ignorant if you think that cuts will happen. They won't happen due to lack of space, and Sakurai himself doesn't like them.

Gen 1 Pokemon just happened to make the biggest impact on the series. Pikachu is staying. Jiggs is most likely staying now. Mewtwo is most likely making a return. (See what I did there?) PKMN Trainer isn't going anywhere when he is repping Red and has Charizard. Sorry if those guys are too iconic for most people to not see why they won't be gone. Pokeballs were made to rep more Pokemon.

Dry Bowser. No. Most of your idea section. No.
So you're NOT being rude? Also, why did you post the definition? Because I posted the definiton of idea? Why are you copying what I did? I posted the definition because it was used out of context. You posted rude because?

don't speak about recency because I'm not sure you understand how to apply it to arguments and when not to.
As if YOU ever did?


those guys are too iconic for most people to not see why they won't be gone.
:mewtwomelee:





Pokeballs were made to rep more Pokemon.
Reeeeeeeeeally? Are you SURE???

You're ignorant if you think that cuts will happen. They won't happen due to lack of space

Then why DO they happen? Also why is it ignorant to think cuts will happen when Sakurai told us "Not every character may return from Brawl."

As for the rest. I'm perfectly aware why Pokemon Trainer should stay. Excuse me for trying something new. Next time all consult the leauge of super speculators before posting something, as to avoid people taking it more seriously than a troll in a YouTube comment of a Mario game.

Also I can't answer all of your posts if my inbox is full of Gif's and rants. I can't read them ALL

Next time come up with an organized list of SUGGESTIONS. And then I will read and respond accordingly.


Dry Bowser being a Bowser skin is an excellent idea. It's about that time Sakurai makes alternate costumes for other characters besides Wario.
Don't say that, You'll get crucified :laugh:
 

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Dry Bowser is simply a skin. Bowser seems to transition over to Dry Bowser a lot. I figured this should either be a costume or something he becomes through some sort of mechanic during fight. It's not a sheik thing or a zero suit thing. Stop acting like you are so certain this minor mechanic would never happen. Obviously something so minor wouldn't waste as much development time as you make it out to be.

If you disagree that's fine, but stop taking something that's not a big deal so personally.
But the whole thing is: why change it? Just make him a costume, if anything.

I added Pokemon Trainer X because Pokemon characters usually get cut.
Only one Smash game has had cuts, so this statement is just wrong. How can they "usually get cut" if there were only cuts in one game?

Pikachu and JigglyPuff have no reason to leave, and Mewtwo is definitely making it in. The way I see it ALL the Pokemon in Brawl are important. Including Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard. But, this did NOT stop Mewtwo from not making it into brawl. Sakurai always has the latest gen as a rep, so I added a gen 6 Pokemon Trainer because there is nobody else from Gen 6 to represent, and I thought the Trainer's Pokemon was the least important of the Brawl Pokemon Veterans.
There's a problem with the bolded. Smash 64 obviously can't count toward this, as there was only generation at the time. In Melee, Sakurai has been on record saying that originally, there wasn't going to be any Johto Pokemon playable. Pichu was only put in to be an easy Pikachu clone. It had nothing to do with generational representation.

Again, stop getting all riled up and taking the opinion of someone on the internet so seriously and personally. If you think it shouldn't be that way, suggest civilly how you think it should be.
It's not taking it personally. Here's a tip: people are going to disagree with you in life. Deal with it, that's how life works. You can't just expect people to take what you say and not give their input. It doesn't help, either, that you often get smug and snarky about things either.

Bottom Line: If you disagree with something or think I should change it. Why don't you SUGGEST that. I'd much rather prefer that than having my inbox spammed with rants and complaints that aren't even very good rants or complaints. You take this Smash Speculation thing way too seriously. Instead of acting like you would know better, just kindly suggest things to better my roster instead of freaking out at what I have because I'm not **** scared to step foot outside the box. I'd much appreciate that from my fellow Smashboardians.
We've been suggesting things, and you don't change them, often giving a "my way or the highway" stance on things.

And if you don't like an "IDEA" deal with it. It's just my opinion on what I think would be a cool idea for a Smash character, you're taking that a little too seriously too.
People are allowed to state their opinions on others' "IDEAS" just as much as you're allowed to state them to begin with. Deal with it.


No offense, but even you have to agree that made you sound pretty arrogant.
Drives the point home.


I never said for sure they won't all return, but you just seem to instantly take it that way.
  1. People need to stop acting like they are so sure every Pokemon is going to return, that's just so naive. I'm trying to add a Gen 6 rep, it's most likely Newtwo will just be a Final Smash like Super Sonic. We have 4 Gen 1 reps. First you're all talking about removing Pokemon Trainer entirely which is stupid, and when someone just makes it a Gen 6 Trainer, there's a problem. I realize the populariyt of Squirtle, IvySaur, and Charizard, but again not every Pokemon is going to return. What do you suggest?
Ahem?


Sakurai has always had a Pokemon from the most recent Gen. He stated HIMSELF he asks the Pokemon company what the hottest Pokemon is. You're also acting real arrogant by saying that it's naive to think not all Pokemon will return, but NOT naive to think they all will.
I'm not saying it's naive to think they won't all return. I'm saying that it's naive to believe that Pokemon cuts are a certainty, as you yourself stated above.

Stop acting so certain of everything.
Hehe...

I'd like to inform you that Mewtwo, an incredibly popular and important Pokemon character was removed for Lucario. You can't be sure Lucario will return, as his status is not even as good as Mewtwo. So why are you so sure Squirtle and the gang will return?
Time constraints were the only thing holding Mewtwo back. He wasn't "removed for Lucario." They were intended to coexist.

I will gladly take suggestions to fix my roster, I was even asking for suggestions on the Pokemon part.
You seem to be putting up a fight whenever someone suggests a change...

As for the third-parties you say logic is a two way street, okay so why do you state the return of Sonic & Snake as fact.
Quote one time when I said they were a guarantee. Good luck with that.

I didn't state their removal as fact. You just want what you think should happen to sound right. So you go around editing people's quotes to praise you.
Hold up right there. That bolded sentence right there is completely inaccurate, and downright slander. Well, libel, but still. As for that last sentence, the only time I've ever edited your quote was when I humorously added a "fix'd". Don't make me out to be some sort of ****ing criminal

When you say "Just put the original Pokemon Trainer there" It's not as simple as you think. Making Rosters is more complicated. I don't JUST put him there. I have to think of other things too, which Pokemon is vital, which ones would not be missed as much, am I over representing, or representing badly. I take things into consideration before I "Just put" a character in.
Except all of those things are completely subjective, giving you a biased roster. And do you honestly think that people wouldn't care much if ****ing Charizard, the most popular Pokemon according to various polls, was cut? That's bull. Having the Brawl Pokemon + Mewtwo, for example, wouldn't be "representing badly."


I will gladly take suggestions, but you're just ranting on what you don't like.

That's the problem. You don't listen to suggestions by others. You just keep having this attitude of "you just can't see how these characters are as good as I claim them to be." Here's a tip: if you claim it's likely, and literally everyone else here disagrees, it's probably not likely.
 

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I added Pokemon Trainer X because Pokemon characters usually get cut. Pikachu and JigglyPuff have no reason to leave, and Mewtwo is definitely making it in. The way I see it ALL the Pokemon in Brawl are important. Including Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard. But, this did NOT stop Mewtwo from not making it into brawl. Sakurai always has the latest gen as a rep, so I added a gen 6 Pokemon Trainer because there is nobody else from Gen 6 to represent, and I thought the Trainer's Pokemon was the least important of the Brawl Pokemon Veterans.
mewtwo might not get in actually i'm pretty sure he isn't I do think the new Mewtwo form will get in he will be the 6th gen rep
 

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So you're NOT being rude? Also, why did you post the definition? Because I posted the definiton of idea? Why are you copying what I did? I posted the definition because it was used out of context. You posted rude because?

don't speak about recency because I'm not sure you understand how to apply it to arguments and when not to.
As if YOU ever did?


those guys are too iconic for most people to not see why they won't be gone.
:mewtwomelee:





Pokeballs were made to rep more Pokemon.
Reeeeeeeeeally? Are you SURE???

You're ignorant if you think that cuts will happen. They won't happen due to lack of space

Then why DO they happen? Also why is it ignorant to think cuts will happen when Sakurai told us "Not every character may return from Brawl."

As for the rest. I'm perfectly aware why Pokemon Trainer should stay. Excuse me for trying something new. Next time all consult the leauge of super speculators before posting something, as to avoid people taking it more seriously than a troll in a YouTube comment of a Mario game.

Also I can't answer all of your posts if my inbox is full of Gif's and rants. I can't read them ALL

Next time come up with an organized list of SUGGESTIONS. And then I will read and respond accordingly.




Don't say that, You'll get crucified :laugh:
If we're done wasting comment space, is there anything else to talk about that Noah won't try to force his opinion on and never deny being wrong about? Think of something before he gives the Mewtwo excuse like it means anything again! Only you all can save yourselves!

Oh jeeze, it's getting heated in here again. Time to bail!
TAKE ME WITH YOU!!!! The P-Wave has happened, you know what happens next! :c
 

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I'm gonna post a new roster. People on the internet seem to care about stuff that doesn't matter in real life. WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED! :dizzy:
Not me actually, I use to see better on smash boards.
 

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I'd say it's a bit unfair to completely dismiss the 5th Gen starters. I rather liked them. :grin:
 

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So you're NOT being rude? Also, why did you post the definition? Because I posted the definiton of idea? Why are you copying what I did? I posted the definition because it was used out of context. You posted rude because?

don't speak about recency because I'm not sure you understand how to apply it to arguments and when not to.
As if YOU ever did?


those guys are too iconic for most people to not see why they won't be gone.
:mewtwomelee:





Pokeballs were made to rep more Pokemon.
Reeeeeeeeeally? Are you SURE???

You're ignorant if you think that cuts will happen. They won't happen due to lack of space

Then why DO they happen? Also why is it ignorant to think cuts will happen when Sakurai told us "Not every character may return from Brawl."

As for the rest. I'm perfectly aware why Pokemon Trainer should stay. Excuse me for trying something new. Next time all consult the leauge of super speculators before posting something, as to avoid people taking it more seriously than a troll in a YouTube comment of a Mario game.

Also I can't answer all of your posts if my inbox is full of Gif's and rants. I can't read them ALL

Next time come up with an organized list of SUGGESTIONS. And then I will read and respond accordingly.

Dang dude, you need to chill out a little. Look can we talk about something else.
 

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Agreed. In gen 2, I only cared about Cyndaquil and that's it. Gen 3 on the other hand, all 3 starters are really useful and strong.
gen 3 was probably my favorite to from a usefulness and effectiveness of each one. however gen 1 is still my favorite because Squirtle is my second fav pokemon there is, Eevee being first, and the other 2 starters are pretty great as well. gen 2 has honestly my least fav assortment of starters thus far... outside of gen 5 i guess
 

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gen 3 started the Fire/Fighting trend just because of this it is one of the worst gens
and Sceptile looks dumb
I'd actually say gen 4 started it because Infernape and whatever was before him copied Blaziken. I don't think Blaziken is too happy about it either.
Oh, heck no! Sceptile is freaking awesome!
 
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