Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheCreator]

Touche.

Depends on what you mean by superior. If we're going by amount of games in the series and sales, Starfy clearly wins. If we're going by universal acclaim, Golden Sun clearly wins.

 

[N3ON]

If you want to get technical, any character under the ownership of Nintendo does have a place in Super Smash Bros.

It's not that I think Dillon has no place in Smash, I just think several characters should get in before him, one of whom is Starfy.

Because he's the newest Nintendo IP at the moment and aesthetically he's well done. Whereas starfy I think is just as likely as a character from advanced wars or something.

Since when has being the newest IP meant anything? BTW he's not the newest IP anymore... and by the time Smash comes out he definitely won't be. Plus looking nice isn't exactly the most important qualification for Smash inclusion.

Unlike a Wars character though, Starfy does have a notable amount of popularity, has been the sole lead protagonist of his series, and got a game post-Brawl.

 

[Bajef8]

I know this is a stretch, but I have an extra idea to add to that DLC idea.

Being a huge fighting game fan and being a veteran of many different titles, I've seen many different ways that companies have incorporated extra characters into their games. While there are good ones (Like Skullgirls) there is always bad ones (Like Street Fighter X Tekken). So...what about a vote?

A vote for a total of four characters, two being able to be voted on by North America and Europe while the other two revolve around Japan. The two characters to be voted for would be most overall wanted Nintendo characters and the most-wanted new IP to be represented in Smash Bros. Say if someone big didn't get into Smash Bros that many people wanted in North America but no so much in Japan and vice versa, well then you can vote for said character to try and get them in the game. As for the second one, it's a vote for whatever franchise hasn't been represented in Smash Bros yet. So if Starfy doesn't get in, Japan's vote would most likely be that of the Starfy series, and if Isaac or Shulk doesn't get in, North America's vote could be either Golden Sun or Xenoblade. If it's done that way, it's fair game and it's a fan-input.

Any thoughts on an idea like this?

I like this. The idea of after everything has been said and done, but then getting our voices heard in order to get someone most people wanted in sounds appealing. Especially if say Ridley didn't make it in. North America's uproar would be heard haha. Our love of Ridley seems to baffle Sakurai.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Xenosaga, Xenogears, and Xenoblade are their own franchises. They are related in name only, and currently distributed to different companies.

I see that now, seeing how it was started by Square, but they broke off and formed Monolith Soft which would go on to create the Xenosaga titles, as well as Xenoblade and the upcoming X. Also, it states that Xenoblade ties into the rest of the Xeno series, so perhaps there's some kind of connection? But yes, the publishers has changed three different times, going from Square, to Namco, then now Nintendo as the full-time owner. Still, it does seem like a franchise that is pretty long-lived, and although Shulk may be from only one title, I think he'd still do a good job of representing the series.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Noah. Don't hold back characters just to add them for DLC. That's what Capcom does, and people despise that.



I'm not even gonna touch anything else. You're off the deep end today. More bonkers than normal.

 

[FalKoopa]

He doesn't seem very smart. He seems pretty close minded, not considering that Sakurai may take a course of action that isn't exactly what everybody wants or thinks should happen.

My reaction:

 

[Silverjay323]

I know this is a stretch, but I have an extra idea to add to that DLC idea.

Being a huge fighting game fan and being a veteran of many different titles, I've seen many different ways that companies have incorporated extra characters into their games. While there are good ones (Like Skullgirls) there is always bad ones (Like Street Fighter X Tekken). So...what about a vote?

A vote for a total of four characters, two being able to be voted on by North America and Europe while the other two revolve around Japan. The two characters to be voted for would be most overall wanted Nintendo characters and the most-wanted new IP to be represented in Smash Bros. Say if someone big didn't get into Smash Bros that many people wanted in North America but no so much in Japan and vice versa, well then you can vote for said character to try and get them in the game. As for the second one, it's a vote for whatever franchise hasn't been represented in Smash Bros yet. So if Starfy doesn't get in, Japan's vote would most likely be that of the Starfy series, and if Isaac or Shulk doesn't get in, North America's vote could be either Golden Sun or Xenoblade. If it's done that way, it's fair game and it's a fan-input.

Any thoughts on an idea like this?

Have to agree with N3ON here. It just doesn't sound like something they'd do. If a poll was conducted, Sakurai may not even choose the one with the highest votes, after all the decision eventually comes down to him and who knows how long It'll be before we actually get it? SEGA still hasn't responded to the ASRT DLC poll, and they've been good with responding to fan feedback as of late.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

So Golden Sun actually is superior than a series with 5 installments????!!!!

It is to people who don't WANT Starfy and WANT Issac.

 

[TheCreator]

It's not that I think Dillon has no place in Smash, I just think several characters should get in before him, one of whom is Starfy.



Since when has being the newest IP meant anything? BTW he's not the newest IP anymore... and by the time Smash comes out he definitely won't be. Plus looking nice isn't exactly the most important qualification for Smash inclusion.

Unlike a Wars character though, Starfy does have a notable amount of popularity, has been the sole lead protagonist of his series, and got a game post-Brawl.

It meant a lot for pikmin. And I mean, newest IP to be taken seriously.
I think it helps to look cool. Plus Sakurai has said that Nintendo needed Cool, New IPs shortly after brawl was released. I'm not arguing his chances, because that'd be pointless.....but he has some things going for him.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

My reaction:

So Sakurai is going to just visit Smashboards and put in what everybody wants or thinks should happen.

 

[Hotfeet444]

My reaction:

Can't even admit when he's wrong, I'm literally falling out of my seat laughing at that. And what's funny enough is that my laugh sounds like Ganondorf's.

 

[mimgrim]

Welp my post was totally ignored.

Dang thread moves to fast. :L

 

[FlareHabanero]

Plus looking nice isn't exactly the most important qualification for Smash inclusion.

I think he's talking about appeal, which is one of the basic criteria for a character's inclusion. Appeal is a bit of a factor when it comes to inclusion, because in someway you have to attract people to a character. Even if what is appealing is suggestive, there has to be something that makes people enthusiastic.

Dillon does have that appeal if we're talking from a design standpoint, even you cannot exactly deny that.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Noah. Don't hold back characters just to add them for DLC. That's what Capcom does, and people despise that.



I'm not even gonna touch anything else. You're off the deep end today. More bonkers than normal.

What the hell is your problem?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So Sakurai is going to just visit Smashboards and put in what everybody wants or thinks should happen.

Nope.

But he's never going to use your ideas either. I can guarantee you that. Trying to be nice.

Besides, he did look at polls and fan demand for both Brawl and Melee, no reason why he wouldn't do it again.

What the hell is your problem?

You're being rude and insulting people again. Instead of assuming things, why not ask them why they think that. You may learn something.

 

[SuperBrawler]

But no one saw your post, except me.

Well, I did.

 

[Silverjay323]

So Golden Sun actually is superior than a series with 5 installments????!!!!

To be fair the number of installments really have nothing to do with superiority. Just look at Mother.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Nope.

But he's never going to use your ideas. I can guarantee you that. Trying to be nice.

Besides, he did look at polls and fan demand for both Brawl and Melee, no reason why he wouldn't do it again.


You're being rude again.

Of course he's being rude, because he knows he's wrong, can't admit it, and let alone he knows I'm the one who said it, so of course he's going to act extra smug. May want to bow down and kiss his feet before he ignores you, you know, for having an opinion that's against what he wants.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

To be fair the number of installments really have nothing to do with superiority. Just look at Mother.

Valid point.

Popularity and impact are also big factors when adding new series.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Nope.

But he's never going to use your ideas. I can guarantee you that. Trying to be nice.

Besides, he did look at polls and fan demand for both Brawl and Melee, no reason why he wouldn't do it again.


You're being rude again.

Yeah, you're being rude too. And you're being naive by acting like you're so sure he's never going to use such reasonably likely choices. You're not Sakurai.

 

[FalKoopa]

So Sakurai is going to just visit Smashboards and put in what everybody wants or thinks should happen.

I wanted an excuse to use that. xD

Anyways, my point was that Sakurai does look at fan demand, and also about the user being "close-minded".

 

[N3ON]

Depends on what you mean by superior. If we're going by amount of games in the series and sales, Starfy clearly wins. If we're going by universal acclaim, Golden Sun clearly wins.

Dark Dawn was the only Golden Sun game with mediocre sales, the first two definitely surpass the sales of any game in the Starfy series. In fact the GS series with three entries has sold better than the Starfy series with five, but that is pretty clearly due to Starfy's longtime Japan-only status. Not that sales really matter... (but it does show GS has a larger audience than Starfy)

It meant a lot for pikmin. And I mean, newest IP to be taken seriously.
I think it helps to look cool. Plus Sakurai has said that Nintendo needed Cool, New IPs shortly after brawl was released. I'm not arguing his chances, because that'd be pointless.....but he has some things going for him.

Yeah, but Pikmin was also a largely successful and popular series, not like Rolling Western which has been averagely received for the most part. Plus Pikmin wasn't a "new" IP by Brawl, it was seven years old, hardly the "newest". Plus what is "taken seriously" is kinda subjective, but people will probably be taking W101, (a series newer than Dillon's) more seriously than two eShop releases.

I guess it helps the character's popularity if they look cool, which then helps chances, but looking cool doesn't directly affect chances. Plus we've gotten many new IPs since Brawl's character selection period, like Wii Fit, Xenoblade, and other series larger or more popular than Rolling Western. Just because it's a new IP and Dillon looks cool doesn't mean his IP has any sort of weight behind it yet, at least compared to some of the other post-Brawl IPs. Even though Sakurai was looking for new IPs doesn't mean just because an IP is new it has what it takes in Sakurai's mind for that character to merit inclusion in Smash.

I think he's talking about appeal, which is one of the basic criteria for a character's inclusion. Appeal is a bit of a factor when it comes to inclusion, because in someway you have to attract people to a character. Even if what is appealing is suggestive, there has to be something that makes people enthusiastic.

Dillon does have that appeal if we're talking from a design standpoint, even you cannot exactly deny that.

Yeah he does... but appeal usually translates to popularity, and other characters have more than Dillon. At this point popularity is Dillon's best shot (it would take a lot of popularity for a character like him to have a good shot for this game), and he's clearly not leading any packs.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Yeah, you're being rude too. And you're being naive by acting like you're so sure he's never going to use such reasonably likely choices. You're not Sakurai.

And you are? (I surely hope not, if you are, we'll never get a decent roster )

 

[jaytalks]

I see that now, seeing how it was started by Square, but they broke off and formed Monolith Soft which would go on to create the Xenosaga titles, as well as Xenoblade and the upcoming X. Also, it states that Xenoblade ties into the rest of the Xeno series, so perhaps there's some kind of connection? But yes, the publishers has changed three different times, going from Square, to Namco, then now Nintendo as the full-time owner. Still, it does seem like a franchise that is pretty long-lived, and although Shulk may be from only one title, I think he'd still do a good job of representing the series.

It's connected only in that Xenoblade was also created from the mind of Tetsuya Takahashi. They are not really connected as series.

here's a great article explaining evertything: http://xenoverse.xenotensei.com/history/history_of_xeno_part04.htm#takahashi

"The world setting, story and other elements have no relation [to past Xeno games], it's a completely new title," Takahashi said in an interview with Famitsu magazine. Takahashi suggested that players consider the "Xeno" part of the title to be just a symbol. "I wanted to to have some sort of common point with the games I've made." He was a little shy in fully explaining the Xenoblade name to the magazine. "Xeno" has the meaning of "different nature" or "uniqueness," he explained. As for the "Blade" part, Takahashi asked that we refer to the game's ending to find out, even though it seems an obvious reference to the Monado sword."

So it's very much it's own series.

I don't really like the idea of vote for DLC. A rather like characters to be decided on potential rather than popularity.

I think Golden Sun is more prominent of a series than Starfy, and that's part of why a character from that series is more likely.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Yeah, you're being rude too.

Yep. I apologize for being rude, but my point still stands...

And that means you just admitted it.

And you're being naive by acting like you're so sure he's never going to use such reasonably likely choices. .

What makes them likely? Because you think they will happen? Let me tell you something.

You're not Sakurai.

None of us are, but when the majority of the internet thought something was likely during Pre-Brawl and Pre-Melee, a good chunk of the time, they were right.

Just look at... in Melee.

And in Brawl.

I'm not just going off by my own thoughts. They're pretty different from the majority, but people do have something called common sense. And a good chunk of the time, it is right.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I wanted an excuse to use that. xD

Anyways, my point was that Sakurai does look at fan demand, and also about the user being "close-minded".

But, he doesn't base his roster on that like you think he does.

 

[Bajef8]

He doesn't seem very smart. He seems pretty close minded, not considering that Sakurai may take a course of action that isn't exactly what everybody wants or thinks should happen.

1. What's wrong with Mewtwo being DLC? He's a returning character who was removed. Why do you think you're so sure he'll be available from the start, what matters is that he's playable. What about being DLC has no point to it? Wouldn't it make sense to have an already removed character be DLC rather than remove Lucario just so that he can be DLC?
2. People need to stop acting like they are so sure every Pokemon is going to return, that's just so naive. I'm trying to add a Gen 6 rep, it's most likely Newtwo will just be a Final Smash like Super Sonic. We have 4 Gen 1 reps. First you're all talking about removing Pokemon Trainer entirely which is stupid, and when someone just makes it a Gen 6 Trainer, there's a problem. I realize the populariyt of Squirtle, IvySaur, and Charizard, but again not every Pokemon is going to return. What do you suggest?
3. Also you don't know Third-Parties are going to return, nothing even implies that. This roster will have cuts, it makes sense to prioritize Nintendo Fighters in a Nintendo Fighting game. Third-Parties have only appeared once, so there's nothing saying they aren't gonna be a one time thing.
4. Already explained why there is nothing wrong with Dry Bowser.

i·de·a


/īˈdēə/
Noun

1. A thought or suggestion as to a possible course of action: "the idea of linking pay to performance".
2. A concept or mental impression.

Why is Metal Mario NOT considered an idea?


I swear, with some people it's just recency and fan support.

Rude
Adjective
1. discourteous or impolite, especially in a deliberate way
2. without culture, learning, or refinement
3. rough in manner of behavior, unmannerly, uncouth

Anyway Noah, don't speak about recency because I'm not sure you understand how to apply it to arguments and when not to.

Don't plan DLC characters from the start, it's stupid. Especially if you're talking about cuts. DLC is the exact opposite of cuts. They won't cut somebody just to make them DLC.

Cuts aren't final. You're ignorant if you think that cuts will happen. They won't happen due to lack of space, and Sakurai himself doesn't like them.

Gen 1 Pokemon just happened to make the biggest impact on the series. Pikachu is staying. Jiggs is most likely staying now. Mewtwo is most likely making a return. (See what I did there?) PKMN Trainer isn't going anywhere when he is repping Red and has Charizard. Sorry if those guys are too iconic for most people to not see why they won't be gone. Pokeballs were made to rep more Pokemon.

Dry Bowser. No. Most of your idea section. No.

 

[BluePikmin11]

But, he doesn't base his roster on that like you think he does.

All you need to know is that Sakurai is a senior game developer, and he is smarter than the rest of us on Smashboards.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Yeah, you're being rude too. And you're being naive by acting like you're so sure he's never going to use such reasonably likely choices. You're not Sakurai.

Oh my god. Seriously, whether this is trolling or not, this is still abominable behavior on the boards.

I know I'm being that guy, but seriously, can we just ban him now? He's turning the thread yet again into the "Noah's always right while everyone else is a ****ing loser" thread. He still hasn't been banned for making that alternate account, either. I'm tired of this. He's not listening to anyone. You know it, I know, we all know it. He's practically spamming at this point in that nothing he says actually contributes to "Roster Prediction Discussion" whatsoever.

I'm reporting this. Sue me. I'm just done with this kid mangling the thread into this.

 

[Hippopotasauce]

Why do you guys even respond to him.

 

[mimgrim]

New roster yay.

I forgot to switch out Chrom and Lissa for just Chrom this time around so treat that as jsut Chrom please.
Total of 45 character slots, I don't count Mii as an extra character slot as I suspect Mii to be a clone of literally every character in the game via costumes and thus not counted as put of the roster slot (just like how Random isn't counted).
Including transformations we have a total of 57 charatcers. Yes I know that is probably way to much.
The reason for that is due to the 2 trainer character, while I'm on that subject I only chose Kanto Female Trainer because I liked the design best and no other reason then that. Whil I know it would take up allot of development, it would be a good to actually rep all the gens whith male Trainer having starter Pokemon from the first 3 gen and female Trainer having Pokemon from the 3 most recent gens. But this is the most unlikely part of my roster I admit, however it's not totally unwaranted.

So thoughts?

Quoted for feedback. :L

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Why do you guys even respond to him.

I'm secretly masochistic.

I DON'T KNOW!

 

[Hippopotasauce]

Quoted for feedback. :L

Why is there both a Kanto Trainer and Pokemon Trainer when they're both from the same region

 

[Hotfeet444]

Why do you guys even respond to him.

Well...his ignorance is funny...sue me. Not to mention I'm on the ignore list so anything I say doesn't even get seen by him. I could be tearing him a new one and he'd never even know.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Quoted for feedback. :L

You cut quite a bit of characters.

I would add them back.

 

[Silverjay323]

Quoted for feedback. :L

Two trainers is an interesting idea, and I like the rest of the roster, but Mach Rider over Isaac? And most importantly, WHERE IS LUCAS
EDIT: Oh and R.O.B

 

[Bajef8]

Quoted for feedback. :L

Only big things that bug me are Waluigi. He's a spin off only character, so AT status fits him.

2 FE characters being combined seems weird to me as well.

Simon is unlikely. And I think Pac-Man is just a bad idea. Sakurai chose NES Meg Man, so it makes sense Pac-Man would be 2D and thus, a stage, AT, or something besides a character.

Also I see very many cuts, so any of the cuts you have make me grumpy.

Not too shabby of a roster, just a little on the slim side. And if you're going slim, you shouldn't have some out there characters or 4 3rd parties.

 

[mimgrim]

Why is there both a Kanto Trainer and Pokemon Trainer when they're both from the same region

Why can't you read?

I stated in my comments why I chose female Kanto Trainer. -_-

 

[Hotfeet444]

I like this. The idea of after everything has been said and done, but then getting our voices heard in order to get someone most people wanted in sounds appealing. Especially if say Ridley didn't make it in. North America's uproar would be heard haha. Our love of Ridley seems to baffle Sakurai.

I think it's a little less baffling now than it was during Brawl development. I think he knows we really want him, Japan wants him to some extent as well, and I'm sure he knows about his importance to both Nintendo as one of the biggest villains they have and the Metroid franchise as a whole. I don't doubt Ridley's inclusion this time, I'm sure it will happen, especially since there's no other franchise that needs a newcomer before Metroid.

 

[Bajef8]

I think it's a little less baffling now than it was during Brawl development. I think he knows we really want him, Japan wants him to some extent as well, and I'm sure he knows about his importance to both Nintendo as one of the biggest villains they have and the Metroid franchise as a whole. I don't doubt Ridley's inclusion this time, I'm sure it will happen, especially since there's no other franchise that needs a newcomer before Metroid.

Or F-Zero. The good Falcon deserves a new one by now.