Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Reznor]

ok guys took me a long time but here is what I think is the best roster ever

Edit: forgot pic

 

[SchAlternate]

I'm just not a fan of his series and find his personality to be fairly irritating but with that said, I am aware that he has a better chance than Snake to be in this game simply because of the whole Nintendo v Sega v Capcom mascot 'easy-money' idea that I mentioned and the fact that Sonic is pretty much in Nintendo's hands now.

Dunno about you, but everyone is pretty much diggin' that idea.

 

[MargnetMan23]

ok guys took me a long time but here is what I think is the best roster ever

IT'S SO GOOD WE'RE NOT WORTHY OF SEEING ITS GREATNESS!

 

[Gune]

ok guys took me a long time but here is what I think is the best roster ever

Where is it?

 

[SchAlternate]

ok guys took me a long time but here is what I think is the best roster ever

Edit: forgot pic
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Needs more Mewtwo. And perhaps Roy.

 

[Wyoming]

Dunno about you, but everyone is pretty much diggin' that idea.

I know but I'm personally more keen on seeing iconic Nintendo characters getting in. Brawl did so by adding Meta Knight, Wario, Diddy, Dedede and Wolf so I'm optimistic. I have a feeling a certain crocodile is in...
Otherwise, I just want Paper Mario and Ridley. I feel those three characters are the only ones that are truly missing in a Nintendo All-Star game. But of course I'm open to anyone being added.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

ok guys took me a long time but here is what I think is the best roster ever

Edit: forgot pic
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You're going a little overboard. There's not gonna be that many characters.

Megaman and Pac-Man Bumbermun are taking over son Sonic and Snake are finished

 

[Silverjay323]

I'm really concerned about Snake's chances of returning. I want to see him back, but he has much less of a reason to stay then Sonic. I fear he may be a one-time inclusion. I hope I'm wrong though.

 

[Wyoming]

Didn't Sakurai confirm that nobody has been cut yet? That surely means Snake could well still be in consideration.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'm really concerned about Snake's chances of returning. I want to see him back, but he has much less of a reason to stay then Sonic. I fear he may be a one-time inclusion. I hope I'm wrong though.

That's what I think is gonna happen. Also Snake not returning could then leave room for Bumbermon, he deserves it most.

 

[Opossum]

Honestly, if Snake were hypothetically removed for Bomberman, I'd hate it. Snake's already proved his worth in my opinion.

 

[mimgrim]

Didn't Sakurai confirm that nobody has been cut yet? That surely means Snake could well still be in consideration.

We don't know what context he means. Sakurai is vauge about this stuff. He has also stated the roster is already "finalized" and that was said before the "no cuts." So it could mean no characters from Brawl have been cut, no characters from the already finalized roster hav ebeen cut yet, or could even possibly mean no vets have been cut yet (characters who have been in at least 2 games)

 

[TheLastJinjo]

We don't know what context he means. Sakurai is vauge about this stuff. He has also stated the roster is already "finalized" and that was said before the "no cuts." So it could mean no characters from Brawl have been cut, no characters from the already finalized roster hav ebeen cut yet, or could even possibly mean no vets have been cut yet (characters who have been in at least 2 games)

Maybe if someone is good at hacking we can find another 7 codes.

It's going to be hard to imagine Smash without Sonic, but it's also hard for me to imagine a 3rd Party character returning. I'm sure Sakurai will prioritize Nintendo Characters over them and Games usually have guest characters as a one time special thing, of all games I think Smash would be the same way.

 

[Wyoming]

But to be honest, anyone with an unique moveset shouldn't be cut, at least not now. If the roster gets too big then I'd consider cutting a few of them out. As much as I like him, someone like Marth will soon lose his spark with more FE characters and swordsmen every game.

if there's a Smash 5, then I can see Sakurai culling the roster and rebooting the series per say but I can't see many characters being left out for this one.

 

[Silverjay323]

Looking back at the Pokemon Crossover discussion....What about the Fire Emblem one? I'd love to see a Shinigami Tensei character, albeit it not being likely, but Atlus could use the advertisement.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

But to be honest, anyone with an unique moveset shouldn't be cut, at least not now. If the roster gets too big then I'd consider cutting a few of them out. As much as I like him, someone like Marth will soon lose his spark with more FE characters and swordsmen every game.

if there's a Smash 5, then I can see Sakurai culling the roster and rebooting the series per say but I can't see many characters being left out for this one.

Replace Marth with Roy. Once you unlock Roy there's really no reason to play as Marth. Marth is one of my least favorite Lords.

 

[mimgrim]

But to be honest, anyone with an unique moveset shouldn't be cut, at least not now. If the roster gets too big then I'd consider cutting a few of them out. As much as I like him, someone like Marth will soon lose his spark with more FE characters and swordsmen every game.

if there's a Smash 5, then I can see Sakurai culling the roster and rebooting the series per say but I can't see many characters being left out for this one.

Ermmm Marth will never lose his spark or be cut. He is a 2 time vet and is pretty much the mascot of FE for being the Lord with the most games (4 games to be exact), appearing and being refrenced the most (I believe he made a cameo apperance in FE2 and has been refenced quite abit throughout the different FE games), and being the first lord ever created. There is just no way he will lose his spark.

As for the unique moveset thing, IMO just because a character has a unique moveset doesn't mean it should be the only reason or main reason to be kept. There are other more important factors to consider, imo.

 

[Opossum]

Marth's not getting cut, people. He's pretty much the face of the series...

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Marth's not getting cut, people. He's pretty much the face of the series...

We know.

 

[mimgrim]

Replace Marth with Roy. Once you unlock Roy there's really no reason to play as Marth. Marth is one of my least favorite Lords.

You do realize Roy is just a crappier version of Marth in Melee? e_e

 

[Autumn ♫]

I don't see Snake leaving as their is really no reason for him to leave.

 

[Reznor]

Marth's not getting cut, people. He's pretty much the face of the series...

and such a pretty face

 

[mimgrim]

I don't see Snake leaving as their is really no reason for him to leave.

There is a reason, and imo it is a perfectly valid reason. There are other 3rd party characters with ties to Nintendo and offer more history to Nintendo. If you want a Konami rep wouldn't a Castlvania rep or even Bomberman actually be a better one due to them having more importance to Nintendo? Sure Snake was unique but the 2 characters could be unique to and they have stronger ties to Nintendo. The strongest argument I have seen people brought up in favor of keeping him is that he reps a bond of friendshipe and while I understand that I still doubt it a bit.

 

[MexM]

I don't see Snake leaving as their is really no reason for him to leave.

The new Metal Gear Solid not coming to Wii U?

 

[Silverjay323]

The new Metal Gear Solid not coming to Wii U?

It could be since it's also one the 360 and PS3, and Kojima said himself the Wii U could run the Fox engine, so its unlikely it won't be on Wii U, but there hasn't been any announcements for it as of yet. We've already missed out on KH3.....

 

[Wyoming]

Ermmm Marth will never lose his spark or be cut. He is a 2 time vet and is pretty much the mascot of FE for being the Lord with the most games (4 games to be exact), appearing and being refrenced the most (I believe he made a cameo apperance in FE2 and has been refenced quite abit throughout the different FE games), and being the first lord ever created. There is just no way he will lose his spark.

By spark I mean having his own flavor in the Smash games. If you have too many swordsmen then they feel a little redundant. Kind of like how Falco has lost his spark for me - there's simply nothing they can do to expand him any further and he should perhaps go for a character that can add some substance to the roster.

As for the unique moveset thing, IMO just because a character has a unique moveset doesn't mean it should be the only reason or main reason to be kept. There are other more important factors to consider, imo.

I personally like to have a large variety of 'unique' characters. There isn't any other character that plays like R.O.B (for example) hence why him getting cut would be a little unnecessary. (Note: I know that every character don't play the same way, but there's a difference between R.O.B and everyone different and Fox-Falco different)

With that said, I don't want Marth cut but if they keep adding characters with a sword or a Luigified version of his moves then he'll get old eventually. Kind of like how some people think Jigglypuff is outdated or that Mario sticks out like a sore thumb because his moveset is rather bland compared to the rest of the cast. But I don't play Fire Emblem so perhaps Marth could play a little differently (with new moves) in this game or in potential future installments? After all, wouldn't you find he'd eventually get old if he kept the same moves forever? That's my point about the 'spark', and you have to consider that eventually the Smash games will have a big roster and thus some characters might have to leave in order to freshen up the experience? Someone like the Ice Climbers, Falco, Marth and Mr. Game & Watch are rather disposable if they stay the same for too long.

But that's all poppycock and depends on the Smash series getting more games - nobody knows if it will and it's pointless to debate that at this time.

 

[mimgrim]

It could be since it's also one the 360 and PS3, and Kojima said himself the Wii U could run the Fox engine, so its unlikely it won't be on Wii U, but there hasn't been any announcements for it as of yet. We've already missed out on KH3.....

If it has been announced for the 360 and PS3 then it probably won't be for the Wii-U. I mean really, wasn't KH3 announced for PS4 and Xbone at the same time? or very close to the same time?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Super enhanced roster :D
Does it look good?

 

[mimgrim]

By spark I mean having his own flavor in the Smash games. If you have too many swordsmen then they feel a little redundant. Kind of like how Falco has lost his spark for me - there's simply nothing they can do to expand him any further and he should perhaps go for a character that can add some substance to the roster.



I personally like to have a large variety of 'unique' characters. There isn't any other character that plays like R.O.B (for example) hence why him getting cut would be a little unnecessary. (Note: I know that every character don't play the same way, but there's a difference between R.O.B and everyone different and Fox-Falco different)

With that said, I don't want Marth cut but if they keep adding characters with a sword or a Luigified version of his moves then he'll get old eventually. Kind of like how some people think Jigglypuff is outdated or that Mario sticks out like a sore thumb because his moveset is rather bland compared to the rest of the cast. But I don't play Fire Emblem so perhaps Marth could play a little differently (with new moves) in this game or in potential future installments? After all, wouldn't you find he'd eventually get old if he kept the same moves forever? That's my point about the 'spark', and you have to consider that eventually the Smash games will have a big roster and thus some characters might have to leave in order to freshen up the experience? Someone like the Ice Climbers, Falco, Marth and Mr. Game & Watch are rather disposable if they stay the same for too long.

I really doubt characters like ICs, Marth, and G&W would get old, even if they keep their old moves and are no where near disposable. You are highly overrating the importance of moves. The moves of a character is not the biggest thing. Smash Bros is about Nintendo's history and in some extreme cases possible future. Moves play a ver very low part in this proccess. And if you are going to go that far, let's get rid of Mario, Falcon, Ness, Kirby, Pikachu, Fox, Bowser, Peach, ect... while we go off of you idea as they have pretty much had the same moves and thus are disposable. -_-

 

[Silverjay323]

If it has been announced for the 360 and PS3 then it probably won't be for the Wii-U. I mean really, wasn't KH3 announced for PS4 and Xbone at the same time? or very close to the same time?

PS4 first, then Xbox One a little later, but the reasoning for KH3 not being on Wii U, according to Square, was that it couldn't run Direct X11, the engine KH3 runs on. MGS 5 however, is on both next gen consoles and the current ones, and since the Wii U is more powerful than the 360 and PS3, and it CAN run the Fox engine, there's really no reason to leave it out this time around.

 

[BluePikmin11]

PS4 first, then Xbox One a little later, but the reasoning for KH3 not being on Wii U, according to Square, was that it couldn't run Direct X11, the engine KH3 runs on. MGS 5 however, is on both next gen consoles and the current ones, and since the Wii U is more powerful than the 360 and PS3, and it CAN run the Fox engine, there's really no reason to leave it out this time around.

It makes me super sad.

 

[mimgrim]

PS4 first, then Xbox One a little later, but the reasoning for KH3 not being on Wii U, according to Square, was that it couldn't run Direct X11, the engine KH3 runs on. MGS 5 however, is on both next gen consoles and the current ones, and since the Wii U is more powerful than the 360 and PS3, and it CAN run the Fox engine, there's really no reason to leave it out this time around.

Stil if I am not mistaken the game was announced a good while ago meaning the chances of it being on the Wii-U are rather slim has the systems it was already announced to be on where announced a good while ago while KH3 was announced for Xbone just a little later.

 

[MexM]

PS4 first, then Xbox One a little later, but the reasoning for KH3 not being on Wii U, according to Square, was that it couldn't run Direct X11, the engine KH3 runs on. MGS 5 however, is on both next gen consoles and the current ones, and since the Wii U is more powerful than the 360 and PS3, and it CAN run the Fox engine, there's really no reason to leave it out this time around.

It's their plan. Konami doesn't want to put any MGS games on the Wii U yet want Snake to be part of the roster celebrating Nintendo related important character to it's history.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Super enhanced roster :D
Does it look good?

THIS ROSTER IS SO GOOD THAT I WOULDN'T MIND IF THIS WERE THE ACTUAL ROSTER! I don't really see why Pokemon Trainer has to go and whatever but I liek.

 

[Wyoming]

I really doubt characters like ICs, Marth, and G&W would get old, even if they keep their old moves and are no where near disposable. You are highly overrating the importance of moves. The moves of a character is not the biggest thing. Smash Bros is about Nintendo's history and in some extreme cases possible future. Moves play a ver very low part in this proccess. And if you are going to go that far, let's get rid of Mario, Falcon, Ness, Kirby, Pikachu, Fox, Bowser, Peach, ect... while we go off of you idea as they have pretty much had the same moves and thus are disposable. -_-

Personally, I want some of these characters to have different moves. In Brawl they did and that helped them stay fresh. Could Marth have changes to his moveset in this game?

And don't forget that Bowser, Samus and Pit seem to be completely different in this installment so I don't think Sakurai shares your opinion that 'moves don't matter' in a video game. You can't just keep a character the same way it has been from the start, that's just lazy and makes them boring. That's why I hope Jigglypuff has a new fairy move to replace Rollout. She would be noticeably different for the first time since...ever. And something like the Poltergust would give someone like Luigi a rather nice makeover. The characters I mentioned (Game and Watch, Marth, ICs, Falco) need something to make them a little different because this isn't Brawl 2.0 after all.

 

[BluePikmin11]

THIS ROSTER IS SO GOOD THAT I WOULDN'T MIND IF THIS WERE THE ACTUAL ROSTER! I don't really see why Pokemon Trainer has to go and whatever but I liek.

Pretty sure you're not serious

 

[MargnetMan23]

Pretty sure you're not serious

Well the first part is somewhat sarcastic and the other part a legit inquiry

 

[Autumn ♫]

Super enhanced roster :D
Does it look good?

I like it but I think Zelda deserves as many characters as Mario and Pokemon, I don't see why we should take out Ike, and the Pokemon Trainer should be in instead of Zoroark.

 

[Silverjay323]

Super enhanced roster :D
Does it look good?

Noticing a severe lack of Omastar. I'm very disappointed.

 

[mimgrim]

Personally, I want some of these characters to have different moves. In Brawl they did and that helped them stay fresh. Could Marth have changes to his moveset in this game?

And don't forget that Bowser, Samus and Pit seem to be completely different in this installment so I don't think Sakurai shares your opinion that 'moves don't matter' in a video game. You can't just keep a character the same way it has been from the start, that's just lazy and makes them boring. That's why I hope Jigglypuff has a new fairy move to replace Rollout. She would be noticeably different for the first time since...ever. And something like the Poltergust would give someone like Luigi a rather nice makeover. The characters I mentioned (Game and Watch, Marth, ICs, Falco) need something to make them a little different because this isn't Brawl 2.0 after all.

Bowser was done to make him appear less animalistic and more like he is in the games he participated in and due to that a few of his moves probably had to be re-done to compensate for it.

Samus mostly just has a reddesigned artwork.

Pit has only appeared in one game so far. And the difference being the Pit in Brawl didn't have as much to work with as Pit does today due to Uprising.

2 of the characters have legitimate reasons for getting new moves while the other one is just a new artwork in all respects.

You really are overstating the importance of moves on characters if you truly think that characters keeping the same moves gives them a chance to be disposable. And besides look at the other vets returning, they seem to have pretty much the same moves as before and there are more of them then ones you mentioned further supporting my point that moves do not have as much of a importance on a character staying or not.

EDIT - Also many of the character that went from Melee to Brawl kept allot of their same moves, so does that mean Brawl is Melee 2.0 to you? -_-