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Despite that I'm pretty sure Wailord is less dense than air...

To be fair, it's called the Float Whale Pokémon.
In other words, it's an aquatic blimp.


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Anyone who uses Wario of all characters to make a point about how they "prove their thought process" for their character choices is giving themselves too much credit.
Wario was a sucker's bet; anyone who said he wouldn't get in were morons.
 

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I shall! Just because somebody doesn't want someone in the game! doesn't mean they won't, back in 2006, I said wario should be in the next one, a lot of people said no, But he was! Thanks.

Also I was asked To remove Ridley from my roster because he was "to Big"..
Many people said Wario should be in SSBB pre-Brawl days. He was a heavily requested character. And as well, do you have any proof you said that? Written proof? I can easily say "I said Pit should be in the next Smash bros." back before Brawl and, lo and behold, he was. Then I use that as an argument to further my point. However, it does nothing to strengthen my argument. I cannot take your word on baseless statements. You could be lying for all I know.

Whoever told you to remove Ridley is one of the few who are still stuck in the "duuuur Ridley too big!" mindset. Take a look at the Ridley support thread. It has tons of reasons why that way of thinking is a bunch of bull****.
 

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Many people said Wario should be in SSBB pre-Brawl days. He was a heavily requested character. And as well, do you have any proof you said that? Written proof? I can easily say "I said Pit should be in the next Smash bros." back before Brawl and, lo and behold, he was. Then I use that as an argument to further my point. However, it does nothing to strengthen my argument. I cannot take your word on baseless statements. You could be lying for all I know.

Whoever told you to remove Ridley is one of the few who are still stuck in the "duuuur Ridley too big!" mindset. Take a look at the Ridley support thread. It has tons of reasons why that way of thinking is a bunch of bull****.
I was looking for so long for my comment, I can't find it! it was on youtube, when people were asking for characters in brawl, still looking! just wait.
 

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I was looking for so long for my comment, I can't find it! it was on youtube, when people were asking for characters in brawl, still looking! just wait.
I'm just going to quote this:
EDIT:
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Anyone who uses Wario of all characters to make a point about how they "prove their thought process" for their character choices is giving themselves too much credit.
Wario was a sucker's bet; anyone who said he wouldn't get in were morons.
Kyonn, I'm curious what you are trying to prove.

"Guys, I predicted Wario back before Brawl!" Cool but that doesn't magically make you more legitimate when predicting characters this time around? Are you trying to convince us your predictions are likely because, supposedly, you predicted Wario back before Brawl. I'm sorry but I doubt you'll convince anyone.
 

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I'm just going to quote this:


Kyonn, I'm curious what you are trying to prove.

"Guys, I predicted Wario back before Brawl!" Cool but that doesn't magically make you more legitimate when predicting characters this time around. Are you trying to convince us your predictions are likely because, supposedly, you predicted Wario back before Brawl. I'm sorry but I doubt you'll convince anyone.
Forget I said that, I can't find my comment, for all I know, the video could have been delete.
 

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So, in general, should there be more characters from unrepped franchises than from those already repped? I mean, there's barely any juice left to squeeze from those franchises, but still.
 

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So, in general, should there be more characters from unrepped franchises than from those already repped? I mean, there's barely any juice left to squeeze from those franchises, but still.
I think they still have a lot to offer.

Mario: Bowser Jr, Toad, Waluigi, Paper Mario, and Fawful.

Zelda: Toon Zelda/Tetra, Vaati, Tingle, Impa

Pokémon: Zoroark, Genesect, N, etc.

Not saying that they all should be added in one go, but they still have a few popular newcomers left. They can all add one character each, without over-representation.
 

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I think they still have a lot to offer.

Mario: Bowser Jr, Toad, Waluigi, Paper Mario, and Fawful.

Zelda: Toon Zelda/Tetra, Vaati, Tingle, Impa

Pokémon: Zoroark, Genesect, N, etc.

Not saying that they all should be added in one go, but they still have a few popular newcomers left. They can all add one character each, without over-representation.
That's what I'm getting at. Since few of the current franchises can offer more characters (and even then, only one or two), most of the newcomers would be from unrepped series, which hasn't happened in any Smash game thus far (the original doesn't count).
 

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I don't think its completely unheard of for the Wario series to get another rep, and Ashley is good choice to be that rep.
 

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Hmm...I would rather the franchise's get one more rep while keeping the ones they have Mewtwo for pokemon Chrom or Lucina for FE Ghiram or Impa for zelda Toad or bowser jr for mario
 

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Rosters should be predictions. The approval of others doesn't matter in the end. What matters is if your roster is right when the game comes out. That's my philosophy.

If we were to predict two months ago who were the most likely members of the revealed cast at E3, many would have been wrong because they are applying the likelihood theories we espouse now. It's more important that your picks are right rather than having a formula how you got there. However, you should be prepared to defend any picks, even with just a litttle logic.

I found this on the Gamefaqs Smash 4 Wii U thread. It's someone who actually predicted Wii Fit Trainer way back in 2008. And she was right, 6 years later.
The Female Wii Fit trainer should be a character in the next SSB.
 

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Chrom is the latest Fire Emblem lord, while Roy is not. However, one of two things could happen. If Sakurai chooses to bring Roy back, I doubt we'll see Chrom. If Intelligent Systems decides on Chrom, Sakurai MAY choose him. Who knows at this point?

Thoughts?
I loved and agree with the entire analysis, especially this part. I've been saying for awhile that FE is going to get 3 reps, Marth, Ike, and either Roy or Chrom. It's just unclear which one.

And on a couple other things I've read:

1) PKMN Trainer needs to come back in some form because he's an important part of the Pokemon series as a whole. They just need to stop being coy and call him Red for crying out loud, thereby actually having the most significant trainer from the whole series playable instead of this generic "PKMN Trainer" name when he's clearly a nod to Red.

2) I don't understand the argument for Classic VS Toon Link. Either is probable. The important thing (in my opinion, and, apparently Sakurai's) is that there are 2 Links in Smash: The older one and the younger one. There are 3 main art styles that have represented Link throughout all of the games:

"realistic" art style
"classic" art style
"toon" art style

Older Link is almost synonymous with the more realistic art, while the younger one has been all 3 pretty much, with Toon being most prominent. I see no problem in Sakurai choosing a different art style for kid Link when all that matters is the representation of both Links.
 

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Well here's a new roster since I'm a bit bored.

Total characters: 50
Returning Characters: 33
Newcomers: 17 (3 confirmed)
Cut Characters: 2 (Being added as DLC, there's no real reason to keep him other than to keep the Charizard fans from being butthurt)

Newcomers: Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Captain Syrup, Impa, Classic Link (Someone gonna be mad:p) , Ridley, Mewtwo (returning), Sylveon, Chrom, Prince Fluff, Palutena, Little Mac, Takamaru, Shulk, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, MegaMan


Thoughts?
I would expect Waluigi or a WarioWare Employee before Captain Syrup. It's on odd choice.
Replacing Toon Link for another Link with more similarities to the original one is just asking for trouble.
I don't like that you replaced the main character of the Pokemon franchise. It's something I highly doubt we'd see be leaving. Also I'm still going to suggest Sylveon to be removed, I think it would make a much better Pokeball Pokemon (Actually now mentioning it, no Eeveelution has been a Pokeball Pokemon before. I wonder why that is the case).
Prince Fluff is in the same boat as Waddle Dee, except he's a lot less relevant and important to the franchise as a whole. I'll have to disagree with you here too.

Also why would you let there be three Links in the game when people already complain about two...
 

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The mighty Joshua bones' new and improved roster.
Super Mario

Mario

Luigi

Peach

Bowser

Toad

Toad can be swapped out for another mario newcomer



Legend of Zelda

Link

Zelda/Shiek

Toon Link

Ganondorf

Zelda doesn’t need a newcomer at all



Pokemon

Pikachu

Jigglypuff

Lucario

Pokemon Trainer

Mewtwo

I’m not going into specifics, so imagine mewtwo any way you want



Metroid

Samus/ZSS

Ridley

This should be obvious



WarioWare/Land

Wario



Animal Crossing

Villager



Wii Fit

Wii Fit Trainer



Donkey Kong

DK

Diddy/Dixie

King K. Rool

The best thing is to add them both



 

 

Star Fox

Fox

Falco

Wolf



Fire Emblem

Marth(a)

Ike

Roy

Roy can be swapped for chrom



Kirby

Kirby

MK

King Dedede

Waddle dee

Waddle dee is unlikely, but I think he would work well



Punch out!

Little Mac



Third Parties

Sonic

Snake

Mega Man



Pikmin

Olimar



Kid Icarus
Pit
Palutena

Retro

Ice Climbers

R.O.B

Mr. Game and Watch

Takamaru



Yoshi’s Island

Yoshi

Golden Sun
Isaac



45 Characters, no cuts. 10(I think) Newcomers. (Can't get the roster maker to work for my life) Any feedback will help. Try to tell me to cut waddle dee, and you will die
 

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The only thing I'm not too thrilled about is the Diddy/Dixie tag team, mainly because I think it would just feel...tacked on, you know? Other than that, I really like it.
 

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Here's what i think, since sakurai said each character is going to have their own unique system, this is my prediction:
Mario series:
-Mario
-Luigi (because its the year of luigi, snif)
-Peach
-Bowser
-Any random crappy chracter ( waluigi pls)

Wario ware series:
-Wario
-Anyone

Donkey kong series:
-DK
-Diddy or Dixie

Yoshi series:
-Yoshi and only yoshi, no more

The legend of zelda series:
-Link
-Zelda/Shiek
-Ganondorf ( maybe he will be removed, please nooooooo)
-random crappy ****head

Metroid series:
-Samus

Kid Icarus series:
-Pit

Pikmin series:
-Captain olimar

Kirby Series:
-Kirby
-Metaknight/King Dedede/another kirby character

Star Fox series:
-Fox
-Falco
-Someone else

F-zero:
Craptain Fagton

Pokemon:
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewthree
******** pokemon

Fire emblem:
Marth/that female version
Ike/chrom

Mother series:
Ness

Ice climbers:
Polar bear :3

3rd party characters
Megaman
Snake/Sonic
1 moar

4 characters from other franchises

Plus wii fit trainer and the villager

40 fighters in total
 

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Here's what i think, since sakurai said each character is going to have their own unique system, this is my prediction:
Mario series:
-Mario
-Luigi (because its the year of luigi, snif)
-Peach
-Bowser
-Any random crappy chracter ( waluigi pls)

Wario ware series:
-Wario
-Anyone

Donkey kong series:
-DK
-Diddy or Dixie

Yoshi series:
-Yoshi and only yoshi, no more

The legend of zelda series:
-Link
-Zelda/Shiek
-Ganondorf ( maybe he will be removed, please nooooooo)
-random crappy ****head

Metroid series:
-Samus

Kid Icarus series:
-Pit

Pikmin series:
-Captain olimar

Kirby Series:
-Kirby
-Metaknight/King Dedede/another kirby character

Star Fox series:
-Fox
-Falco
-Someone else

F-zero:
Craptain ***ton

Pokemon:
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewthree
******** pokemon

Fire emblem:
Marth/that female version
Ike/chrom

Mother series:
Ness

Ice climbers:
Polar bear :3

3rd party characters
Megaman
Snake/Sonic
1 moar

4 characters from other franchises

Plus wii fit trainer and the villager

40 fighters in total
If this isn't a joke, I'm going to bite your heat off
 

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Here's what i think, since sakurai said each character is going to have their own unique system, this is my prediction:
Mario series:
-Mario
-Luigi (because its the year of luigi, snif)
-Peach
-Bowser
-Any random crappy chracter ( waluigi pls)

Wario ware series:
-Wario
-Anyone

Donkey kong series:
-DK
-Diddy or Dixie

Yoshi series:
-Yoshi and only yoshi, no more

The legend of zelda series:
-Link
-Zelda/Shiek
-Ganondorf ( maybe he will be removed, please nooooooo)
-random crappy ****head

Metroid series:
-Samus

Kid Icarus series:
-Pit

Pikmin series:
-Captain olimar

Kirby Series:
-Kirby
-Metaknight/King Dedede/another kirby character

Star Fox series:
-Fox
-Falco
-Someone else

F-zero:
Craptain ***ton

Pokemon:
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewthree
******** pokemon

Fire emblem:
Marth/that female version
Ike/chrom

Mother series:
Ness

Ice climbers:
Polar bear :3

3rd party characters
Megaman
Snake/Sonic
1 moar

4 characters from other franchises

Plus wii fit trainer and the villager

40 fighters in total
I don't like how you defined any of that. Why are you even on this site if you're just going to bulls***?
 

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Okay, except for the polar bear...
It may have been a prediction except for the Polar Bear joke, but the way you described new characters and veterans was pretty disrespectful and lackluster. It was just a little rude (Any random crappy character, another ******** Pokemon). Just be a little respectful to the franchises.
 

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Surely I'm not the only one thinking this.

Getting real tired of very lengthy "worded rosters" taking up a chunk of scroll space.

People use this for a reason, and it's not just because it's pretty.
 

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To those for whom the Roster Maker is not working, download and install the latest version of Java.
 

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To those for whom the Roster Maker is not working, download and install the latest version of Java.
I did that for the one God Robert's Cousin posted but it still didn't work so I went for the new one
 

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Going for broke here and decided to make a list of what I consnider to be the most likely candidates for SSB4, with some explanation.


1.-Mewtwo (Awakened, "asleep", or both)
I think it goes without saying that Awakened Mewtwo is currently the most hyped thing in the Pokemon world. He has a movie coming along, and it seems a lot of people have been asking Sakurai directly wether we could see more of him in SSB4. Not to mention Mewtwo is apparently placed the highest in Japanese polls, or so I read recently.


2.-Little Mac
If you ask me, growing up with Nintendo since 1990, if there is one game franchise that has one big history with Nintendo, almost as much as Mario and Zelda, it's Punch Out. The game was also advertised everywhere, Movies, TV Shows, Magazines, arcades, etc.
One of Miyamoto's first roles at Nintendo, if I'm not mistaken, was to draw characters for this game, such as BALD BULL for example. So this game and Nintendo go a long way together. And now that Little Mac got a recent cameo in Captain Rainbow (paving the way for the Japanese audience), and a world-wide release of Punch Out on Wii... His Assist Trophy status in Brawl, plus the Boxing Ring stage in SSB4 which looks, I kid you not, EXACTLY like the boxing ring from World Circuit (to be precise) in Punch Out, to me Little Mac is as given as Yoshi coming back.


3.-Saki Amamiya
Sin & Punishment debuted with an english release of the game worldwide in 2007. Around a year before Brawl was released. In the meantime, people were exposed to his game, and Saki gained a lot of popularity. Giving Sakurai time to put him as an Assist Trophy in Brawl.
Probably due to interest in this series rising, Nintendo decided to release a new game, Sin & Punishment: Star Successor for Wii, thus exposing this franchise to many more people. Now Saki has a lot of things going for him:
The franchise is relatively new (due to the fact that outside Japan, this franchise is basically 6 years old) and the new game is only 3 years old.
And Sakurai is probably going to want to focus on more new franchises this time around. Or at least unrepresented ones.
Saki (or Isa) have a lot of unique moveset potential to represent the run&gun + hack&slash genres.
Again, Saki made it as an Assist Trophy in Brawl, which means he was "almost" playable.


4.-Takamaru
This samurai has been lurking in the shadows lately, but Nintendo has made sure to make references to him every now and then, especially these past few years.
From cameos in Pikmin 2 and Warioware, to a whole quest dedicated to Takamaru in Captain Rainbow, to a full blown "remake" or so to speak inside Samurai Warriors 3, to a whole section of Nintendo Land dedicated to Nazo no Murasame Jo... I say something is brewing. Nintendo is definitely, somehow, somewhere planning Takamaru's return. And with current talks about this game popping up (like Kamiya from Platinum Games claiming the desires to make a new Nazo no Murasame game... seriously, random?) Makes me believe something is definitely up.


5.- Classic Link
No excuse in the world saved Tom Nook for Brawl, and the same will apply to Toon Link here, IMO.
And there's a new Zelda game coming to a handheld, featuring Classic young Link, who will most likely take Toon Link's place now that he's driving the Phantom Train. Though this could also mean that no other form of Young Link could take his place (and regular Link's moveset being somewhat of a fusion between both), but I think they'll go with what's hot at the moment on Zelda. Just because they didn't go for the most recent look on LINK, doesn't mean it won't apply to Toon Link (though... Phantom Train?). As far as I know... Olimar didn't sport a whistle in Pikmin 1 and 2, did he?
But eh... Details. Anyway, I don't think TL is coming back, but if he is replaced, Classic Link will most likely take up his sword and shield.


6.- Palutena
Seeing as how a lot of people loved KI:U (myself included even though I haven't even played it), and how Sakurai knows every last inch of that game and its characters, it wouldn't be surprising if he could EASILY adapt one more character from said series into Super Smash Bros.
Palutena is arguably the most popular character right after Pit. So if anyone new is getting in from Kid Icarus, I'm betting it's Palutena.


7.-Ridley
Demand in the west is far too great for Sakurai to ignore a second time. If giving him TWO different versions of a boss fight in Brawl isn't an indication that Sakurai heard (perhaps a little late) the demand for Ridley, I don't know what is. But I'm sure this time he was ready, not only for the sheer demand of Ridley, but because... and this is a personal theory... Nintendo kind of dropped the ball with Metroid's Anniversary. And Other M wasn't exactly welcomed with open arms, Sakurai might "feel" the need to compensate for something on Nintendo's behalf.


8.-Dillon
Oh yes, Dillon from Rolling Western.
Don't forget that Super Smash Bros. 4 is as much for the Wii U as it is for the 3DS, so he might want to include SOMETHING that represents the 3DS exclusively. And I can't think of anything of more importance than Dillon from DRW. The guy has 2 games under his belt in a really short ammount of time.
And he's a pretty unique-looking Nintendo character. I think Dillon has a very good chance of being in the game. But I can unfortunately also see the scenario where they can't get this character in time, and they reduce him to Assist Trophy.


9.-Lip
I think it's due time for the fairy princess to make her Smash Bros. debut. The prime argument against her is that her weapon, Lip's Stick is an item.
But by now there could be OTHER items that cause the "flower" status, or many other attacks for that matter. Imagine Ivysaur getting a Leech Seed now, that causes Flower status. Or imagine Isaac using SAP Djinn that also places a Flower on enemies heads. What if the Villager's pot causes Flower status as well. There wouldn't need to be a Lip's Stick item if so many characters can already do this. Don't forget Jigglypuff also induces Flower status in Brawl.
Back to Lip, she had one Snes game, which is compilated to a Gamecube game later together with Yoshi's Cookies and Dr.Mario, and she appeared in Captain Rainbow as well.
But on what gives her an edge over other characters... Well she would certainly put up an interesting moveset, hailing from a PUZZLE game,


10.-Balloon Fighter
"Bu-bu-but VILLAGER!"
No way jose! I don't see anyone undermining Sonic's chances of return now that Mega Man also uses a spring to recover. Nor was Link's style cramped when Pit could also shoot arrows through his neutral B. Nor was Bowser outshined when Charizard could also flamethrow. What about those ridiculous times when people said Mega Man would be a Samus clone, yet look at how HIS Mega Buster was handled?

Balloon Fighter wouldn't have such an obvious UP+B move either. His whole mobility would be based on how many balloons he has inflated. Ranging from 0, 1, and 2. If he has 2, he'd be as floaty as Jigglypuff, 1 would be around Charizard's aerial mobility, and 0.. well, no multi jumps for him.

His balloons would be pop-able, and when he's on land, the player could inflate them again using one of the special moves.

Let's go to what makes him likely.

Ever since like... forever, Balloon Fight has cameod everywhere! The list is so huge.. I'm going to have to provide the Wikipedia link for you to see how many ports, cameos and whatnot it has.
In Brawl the giant fish appeared in Ice Climbers stage, in Warioware Smooth Moves there was a 3D-reimaine minigame of Balloon Trip mode.
And in Nintendo Land there is a whole segment dedicated to Balloon Fight as well.

What I'm trying to get at is... Balloon Fight has been a very dear franchise to Nintendo, and I'm pretty sure by now Sakurai has come up with a reasonable moveset for Balloon Fighter, especially now that he's more bent than ever on making "non-obvious fighters" into fighters. Meaning that if he were to choose from between... say, Urban Champion and Balloon Fighter, he'd obviously go with BF since he can get a lot more creative with him. At least this is me judging from his interviews.
The downside is that he could probably be too tough to program 3 different mobility styles for BF and would most likely not make it as a Playable Character, but an Assist Trophy instead.
 

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Going for broke here and decided to make a list of what I consnider to be the most likely candidates for SSB4, with some explanation.


1.-Mewtwo (Awakened, "asleep", or both)
I think it goes without saying that Awakened Mewtwo is currently the most hyped thing in the Pokemon world. He has a movie coming along, and it seems a lot of people have been asking Sakurai directly wether we could see more of him in SSB4. Not to mention Mewtwo is apparently placed the highest in Japanese polls, or so I read recently.


2.-Little Mac
If you ask me, growing up with Nintendo since 1990, if there is one game franchise that has one big history with Nintendo, almost as much as Mario and Zelda, it's Punch Out. The game was also advertised everywhere, Movies, TV Shows, Magazines, arcades, etc.
One of Miyamoto's first roles at Nintendo, if I'm not mistaken, was to draw characters for this game, such as BALD BULL for example. So this game and Nintendo go a long way together. And now that Little Mac got a recent cameo in Captain Rainbow (paving the way for the Japanese audience), and a world-wide release of Punch Out on Wii... His Assist Trophy status in Brawl, plus the Boxing Ring stage in SSB4 which looks, I kid you not, EXACTLY like the boxing ring from World Circuit (to be precise) in Punch Out, to me Little Mac is as given as Yoshi coming back.


3.-Saki Amamiya
Sin & Punishment debuted with an english release of the game worldwide in 2007. Around a year before Brawl was released. In the meantime, people were exposed to his game, and Saki gained a lot of popularity. Giving Sakurai time to put him as an Assist Trophy in Brawl.
Probably due to interest in this series rising, Nintendo decided to release a new game, Sin & Punishment: Star Successor for Wii, thus exposing this franchise to many more people. Now Saki has a lot of things going for him:
The franchise is relatively new (due to the fact that outside Japan, this franchise is basically 6 years old) and the new game is only 3 years old.
And Sakurai is probably going to want to focus on more new franchises this time around. Or at least unrepresented ones.
Saki (or Isa) have a lot of unique moveset potential to represent the run&gun + hack&slash genres.
Again, Saki made it as an Assist Trophy in Brawl, which means he was "almost" playable.


4.-Takamaru
This samurai has been lurking in the shadows lately, but Nintendo has made sure to make references to him every now and then, especially these past few years.
From cameos in Pikmin 2 and Warioware, to a whole quest dedicated to Takamaru in Captain Rainbow, to a full blown "remake" or so to speak inside Samurai Warriors 3, to a whole section of Nintendo Land dedicated to Nazo no Murasame Jo... I say something is brewing. Nintendo is definitely, somehow, somewhere planning Takamaru's return. And with current talks about this game popping up (like Kamiya from Platinum Games claiming the desires to make a new Nazo no Murasame game... seriously, random?) Makes me believe something is definitely up.


5.- Classic Link
No excuse in the world saved Tom Nook for Brawl, and the same will apply to Toon Link here, IMO.
And there's a new Zelda game coming to a handheld, featuring Classic young Link, who will most likely take Toon Link's place now that he's driving the Phantom Train. Though this could also mean that no other form of Young Link could take his place (and regular Link's moveset being somewhat of a fusion between both), but I think they'll go with what's hot at the moment on Zelda. Just because they didn't go for the most recent look on LINK, doesn't mean it won't apply to Toon Link (though... Phantom Train?). As far as I know... Olimar didn't sport a whistle in Pikmin 1 and 2, did he?
But eh... Details. Anyway, I don't think TL is coming back, but if he is replaced, Classic Link will most likely take up his sword and shield.


6.- Palutena
Seeing as how a lot of people loved KI:U (myself included even though I haven't even played it), and how Sakurai knows every last inch of that game and its characters, it wouldn't be surprising if he could EASILY adapt one more character from said series into Super Smash Bros.
Palutena is arguably the most popular character right after Pit. So if anyone new is getting in from Kid Icarus, I'm betting it's Palutena.


7.-Ridley
Demand in the west is far too great for Sakurai to ignore a second time. If giving him TWO different versions of a boss fight in Brawl isn't an indication that Sakurai heard (perhaps a little late) the demand for Ridley, I don't know what is. But I'm sure this time he was ready, not only for the sheer demand of Ridley, but because... and this is a personal theory... Nintendo kind of dropped the ball with Metroid's Anniversary. And Other M wasn't exactly welcomed with open arms, Sakurai might "feel" the need to compensate for something on Nintendo's behalf.


8.-Dillon
Oh yes, Dillon from Rolling Western.
Don't forget that Super Smash Bros. 4 is as much for the Wii U as it is for the 3DS, so he might want to include SOMETHING that represents the 3DS exclusively. And I can't think of anything of more importance than Dillon from DRW. The guy has 2 games under his belt in a really short ammount of time.
And he's a pretty unique-looking Nintendo character. I think Dillon has a very good chance of being in the game. But I can unfortunately also see the scenario where they can't get this character in time, and they reduce him to Assist Trophy.


9.-Lip
I think it's due time for the fairy princess to make her Smash Bros. debut. The prime argument against her is that her weapon, Lip's Stick is an item.
But by now there could be OTHER items that cause the "flower" status, or many other attacks for that matter. Imagine Ivysaur getting a Leech Seed now, that causes Flower status. Or imagine Isaac using SAP Djinn that also places a Flower on enemies heads. What if the Villager's pot causes Flower status as well. There wouldn't need to be a Lip's Stick item if so many characters can already do this. Don't forget Jigglypuff also induces Flower status in Brawl.
Back to Lip, she had one Snes game, which is compilated to a Gamecube game later together with Yoshi's Cookies and Dr.Mario, and she appeared in Captain Rainbow as well.
But on what gives her an edge over other characters... Well she would certainly put up an interesting moveset, hailing from a PUZZLE game,


10.-Balloon Fighter
"Bu-bu-but VILLAGER!"
No way jose! I don't see anyone undermining Sonic's chances of return now that Mega Man also uses a spring to recover. Nor was Link's style cramped when Pit could also shoot arrows through his neutral B. Nor was Bowser outshined when Charizard could also flamethrow. What about those ridiculous times when people said Mega Man would be a Samus clone, yet look at how HIS Mega Buster was handled?

Balloon Fighter wouldn't have such an obvious UP+B move either. His whole mobility would be based on how many balloons he has inflated. Ranging from 0, 1, and 2. If he has 2, he'd be as floaty as Jigglypuff, 1 would be around Charizard's aerial mobility, and 0.. well, no multi jumps for him.

His balloons would be pop-able, and when he's on land, the player could inflate them again using one of the special moves.

Let's go to what makes him likely.

Ever since like... forever, Balloon Fight has cameod everywhere! The list is so huge.. I'm going to have to provide the Wikipedia link for you to see how many ports, cameos and whatnot it has.
In Brawl the giant fish appeared in Ice Climbers stage, in Warioware Smooth Moves there was a 3D-reimaine minigame of Balloon Trip mode.
And in Nintendo Land there is a whole segment dedicated to Balloon Fight as well.

What I'm trying to get at is... Balloon Fight has been a very dear franchise to Nintendo, and I'm pretty sure by now Sakurai has come up with a reasonable moveset for Balloon Fighter, especially now that he's more bent than ever on making "non-obvious fighters" into fighters. Meaning that if he were to choose from between... say, Urban Champion and Balloon Fighter, he'd obviously go with BF since he can get a lot more creative with him. At least this is me judging from his interviews.
The downside is that he could probably be too tough to program 3 different mobility styles for BF and would most likely not make it as a Playable Character, but an Assist Trophy instead.
I'm not sure about the last two. I find Isaac and K. Rool more likely. Other than that, good explanations.
 

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So I got bored and decided to do a new roster. That and I don't know what the current convo is. lol



You know what Chrom&Lissa menas.
Waluigi isn't under Wario due to me thinking he will be apart of Warioware/Wario Land shiz. He is next to Luigi to show off doppleganger status. Same reason Wario is next to Mario.
3 KI characters are there cause he ended up going from 1 Kirby rep to 3, so it isn't out of the realm of possibility that he might do it for KI and I feel like Magnus would be the one to get in.
Mewtwo replaces Lucario.
Zoroak is the new pokemon introducing a new gimmick.
 

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are these ordered from what you think is most likely because if it is I have to disagree

They're pseudo-ordered sort of in this fashion

1
2
3/4
5/6/7
8/9/10

And I know people will disagree. I've taken the following into consideration:

1.- Number of characters representing the franchise (too many? Too bad. To little, they have a shot)
2.- Based on historical importance. How many times has Nintendo tried to reach out to this franchise.
3.- Based on Moveset potential (can you just slash, punch, or kick? Do you have a special gimmick for that? If you don't then is there any unique way in which you could fight?. If you don't have either then... we'll call you)
4.- Based on Assist Trophy status (not only for reaching it, but how dinamic was said assist trophy. Does it just stand there and stare while some extra action goes on? Or do you run across the stage trying to pummel different characters? How many actions do you perform? It's not the same comparing Barbara the Bat to Grey Fox for example).
5.- The game is as much Wii U as it's 3DS. Neither over the other. So characters from both sides should be considered.
6.- Games I know about. Clearly I'm not the biggest Fire Emblem fan, I've only played 2, and completed 1. Therefore I can't say how much of an impact characters like Crhom make over Ike, Roy, etc. I also don't pick popular picks just because they're popular, because neither does Sakurai.


More or less, sums it up.
 

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To the people who are having trouble with the Roster Maker, what exactly is the problem? I may have the same one...
 
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