Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[jaytalks]

The DS is a seventh generation system, the generation didn't begin with the Wii. Even if both the DS and the GBA were meant to exist in tandem, they obviously weren't made in tandem; compared to the GBA the DS is a next-gen system.

When they were announced, they were meant to exist in tandem, until about 2006, when it was clear that there would be no successor to the game boy franchise. It may have been more clear before that, since the DS became such a huge success.
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I think it's success lead to it being the GB successor. And with Smash, I'm talking about how it integrates portable into nintendo eras, not the generation the console itself fits in. The Nintendo eras are easiest to indicate by the home console generation (or easiest to explain). Nintendo has always prioritized itself as being a home console company, despite it absolutely continuing to kill with portables. Smash reflects Nintendo eras and Nintendo eras are separated by home consoles, that's my point.

 

[LittleKrool]

to be honest, I wouldn't mind ashley not being playable, as long as ike and little mac are in.
Still, won't stop me from hoping for ashley. kat and ana.

 

[FalKoopa]

Ashley mii? where? All I see is my friends mii.

Anyways, It's still creepy.

 

[jaytalks]

I know some characters from brawl wll not make it, so who'd you cut from brawl?

Cuts? Nothing personal about the characters themselves:
Lucas, Lucario, Toon Link. Other than Lucas, it's to make room for other members of their series. Snake I also include, but that's more about restricting third parties.

I don't see Ghiraham or Black Shadow as an option. Ghiraham seems like Midna and Zant in the past, and he wasnt even the main villain. Don't see F-Zero getting another characters because it's not a series where people actually fight. I like Ashley I think the Wario series could use another rep.
I like the additions of Dixie and Krystal. I think both the DK and SF series are big and important enough four for reps. Pokemon is too much generation 1 for me. I would make Mewtwo in Awakened form and/or add a 5th or 6th generation rep. Could use a retro character add, but not at the cost of another franchise like GS or Xenoblade.

I always put Classic Link because I can see it happening. I call him "Young Link" however within the game. I don't really care if he's just as another clone; I think the second Link should always retain Link's trademark moveset.

 

[LittleKrool]

This is not even my wishlist, it was requested I put some of the characters in there, besides ashley, she's the only one I want in. little mac and ike are also characters I want! I don't like chrome.

 

[Deleted member]

lol, Noah, what kind of mentality is this?
I have proof of what I'm claiming (that Hudson no longer exists), you have no proof of your claims, you should be the one to supply the evidence. Simple as that.

Isn't it obvious?
Noah is always 100% right, so we should take his word as fact. It is the law.

 

[N3ON]

Isn't it obvious?
Noah is always 100% right, so we should take his word as fact. It is the law.

Oh, well in that case someone better go inform Sakurai before we end up getting a roster that's actually good.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Well here's a new roster since I'm a bit bored.

Total characters: 50
Returning Characters: 33
Newcomers: 17 (3 confirmed)
Cut Characters: 2 (Being added as DLC, there's no real reason to keep him other than to keep the Charizard fans from being butthurt)

Newcomers: Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Captain Syrup, Impa, Classic Link (Someone gonna be mad) , Ridley, Mewtwo (returning), Sylveon, Chrom, Prince Fluff, Palutena, Little Mac, Takamaru, Shulk, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, MegaMan

Thoughts?

 

[TheCreator]

@TheCreator

1, Bomberman is both majorly popular and iconic, look him up because I don't think you know who he is if you think he's not a popular and iconic character. What on EARTH are you talking about???
I do. He's about as popular and Iconic as earthworm Jim or Rayman. Actually Rayman is moreso, I see him in before Bomberman. Did you just decide he was iconic and popular because you think he should be or what? And I remember the pre brawl japanese poll, bomberman wasn't even on it if I remember lol

2. When did I say I'm predicting the most likely roster? Seriously, when did you hear that??? You always say you're trying to predict the most similar roster to what the final result would be. Also more than one question mark is improper.

3. Yes having a 6th gen Poke'mon IS important, it's always important in every SSB game to have a Poke'mon from the newest gen. You used Gen 3 as an example. That was released AFTER Melee. Gen 6 will be out before SSB is even ALMOST finished. But they still got no rep. Neither did gen 2 in brawl. It's not important for the most recent gen to be represented and you have no reason to think so other than the fact that Lucario showed up in Brawl, which probably happened for reasons not to do with the fact that he is a 4th gen pokemon. Moreso he was popular and being used to market.

4. How can you say 3rd party characters AREN'T one time things with no proof. Why would you think they are for no reason at all? No hints, no cues to think this at all, no nothing. This is really just an idea you came up with, that they would be one shots. And really there's no reason WHY this would happen, which is all the proof I need.

5. When did I say Roy WOULD be over Chrom because I'd prefer it. I said he SHOULD. It shows so on your roster, In which Roy and Lyn made it in over Chrom.

6. How is Sheriff not more likely than such Duck Hunt Dog. Ice Climbers made it so can Sheriff. How is he more likely? He literally doesn't move in his game. He fires a gun. If you remember something that Opossum said, the Ice Climbers were chosen specially for moveset potential. Sheriff is just another character from another old nintendo game. With less moveset potential than a LOT of others. So in all reality, he IS just as likely as Duck Hunt Dog, who also does basically nothing. But not as likely as a Takamaru or a Muddy Mole or characters that have moveset potential.

7. Banjo & Kazooie are 2nd Party Characters and are not 100% Microsoft. They are still Rare ltd. So bad example.
No sir. I'm gonna leave this alone though, because you don't quite understand what's going on with the party classifications and I can see there's no telling you.



Which game has come out since they're buyout that HASN'T branded them as Hudson Characters? If one does maybe I'll change my mind. Like every game since Hudson Soft stopped existing that has a Hudson character.

Also Banjo is not entirely a Microsoft Character. Rare is still existent and he IS a Rare character and branded as a Rare character. Microsoft just owns Rare. So he is both. Microsoft owns rare. which means rare is part of Microsoft. Which means Banjo Kazooie is the same party as Master Cheif.

Also we still have not confirmed Snake is returning. Why would he go? Is sakurai an asshole to his fans and friends? Is that why? I've already said it once. I'll say it again. A LOT of people used the third party characters in brawl. He knows that. He cares about his fans and the characters that they love, he has said this. He wouldn't want to cut any character that anybody has mained, AKA he doesn't want to cut anybody especially third parties. And once more, Snake is in as a favor to a personal friend of his. Removing him one game later sounds like a nice thing to do for a friend huh?

What's the point in representing Classic Link anyway? Every Character has classic versions of themselves Mario, Donkey Kong, Pit, Yoshi, Kirby, Fox, Yoshi. What makes the classic version of Link so special. There was actually a point in representing Young or Toon Link. Different Versions not different Eras. And if the assumption is that he has Items from the game, then we can Assume Toon Link will have his own items too. Making him even more unique and a better choice than he already was. NOT TO MENTION Four Swords Adventures makes use of SEVERAL LTTP Items. So yeah, I see NO reason to add Classic Link over Toon Link. It's just stupid.

Classic over Toon is biased and it's already a costume for Toon Link. Toon Link is clearly more popular, requested, and unique.

Noah, you just don't get it. He's not a different era. Classic link is in a game coming out in two months. He's a different version of link.
"Toon Link is clearly more popular, requested, and unique." no sir

Well here's a new roster since I'm a bit bored.

Total characters: 50
Returning Characters: 33
Newcomers: 17 (3 confirmed)
Cut Characters: 2 (Being added as DLC, there's no real reason to keep him other than to keep the Charizard fans from being butthurt)

Newcomers: Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Captain Syrup, Impa, Classic Link (Someone gonna be mad) , Ridley, Mewtwo (returning), Sylveon, Chrom, Prince Fluff, Palutena, Little Mac, Takamaru, Shulk, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, MegaMan

Thoughts?

Great roster. Just a little confused on a couple of additions.
Impa, C. Syrup, Sylveon, and prince fluff.

Holy **** i just triple posted. I appologize

 

[FalKoopa]

"Toon Link is clearly more popular, requested, and unique." no sir

I disagree. Toon Link IS more popular.

Can't say for unique... Link has enough gear for three unique non-clone Links.

 

[Curious Villager]

Yeah Toon Link actually is popular... At least in Japan since he was one of their most wanted characters for Brawl and apparently he's still popular there.

At least according to Chronobound.

 

[TheCreator]

I disagree. Toon Link IS more popular.

Can't say for unique... Link has enough gear for three unique non-clone Links.

Yeah I see Toon Link as more popular too. Requested, I doubt either got too many requests before brawl, and they're about the same on terms of uniqueness.
I just didn't like how noah declared it

 

[N3ON]

Toon Link is generally more popular in Japan than regular adult Link, Japan loves cute things, but for Smash, from what I've seen, regular Link is more popular, however Toon Link does have a decent amount of popularity. Probably the most out of all the semi-clones in Brawl (other than Lucas and Luigi).

 

[LittleKrool]

Well here's a new roster since I'm a bit bored.

Total characters: 50
Returning Characters: 33
Newcomers: 17 (3 confirmed)
Cut Characters: 2 (Being added as DLC, there's no real reason to keep him other than to keep the Charizard fans from being butthurt)

Newcomers: Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Captain Syrup, Impa, Classic Link (Someone gonna be mad) , Ridley, Mewtwo (returning), Sylveon, Chrom, Prince Fluff, Palutena, Little Mac, Takamaru, Shulk, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, MegaMan

Thoughts?

Isn't wario a warioware character? not wario land.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Well here's a new roster since I'm a bit bored.

Total characters: 50
Returning Characters: 33
Newcomers: 17 (3 confirmed)
Cut Characters: 2 (Being added as DLC, there's no real reason to keep him other than to keep the Charizard fans from being butthurt)

Newcomers: Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Captain Syrup, Impa, Classic Link (Someone gonna be mad) , Ridley, Mewtwo (returning), Sylveon, Chrom, Prince Fluff, Palutena, Little Mac, Takamaru, Shulk, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, MegaMan

Thoughts?

I like it, I don't think that removing Pokemon Trainer from the original roster is very good though.
I also have to question Prince Fluff and Captain Syrup.

 

[Swift Fox]

I know some characters from brawl wll not make it, so who'd you cut from brawl?

-Replace Ghirahim with TL or just add TL (-0.25)
-Add Lucario and R.O.B back in. It's very unlikely to kick them out unless your dreaming (-1.75)
-Add Bowser Jr. and Takamaru in (-0.75)
-kick Mii out (-0.25)
-Ridley and K.Rool are too big, you should kick their giant asses outta the roster with Wario's infinite FS hack (though, this will not affect my would-play score)
-Put Sylveon in?
-I NEVER want to see Pacman make an appearance in SSB >_> (-2)

5.0 would play

 

[TheCreator]

Yeah Toon Link actually is popular... At least in Japan since he was one of their most wanted characters for Brawl and apparently he's still popular there.

At least according to Chronobound.

Really? Didn't know TL was requested.

 

[FalKoopa]

Isn't wario a warioware character? not wario land.

I believe he represents both.

 

[jaytalks]

Isn't wario a warioware character? not wario land.

he represents both. hence his alternate costume.

I think the second Link representation doesn't come from popularity, now matter how popular Toon Link. It's more about having a younger link and older link, and better representing the totality of the zelda franchise. That's why i always put a classic link in my roster. he can fit that same role that both Young Link and Toon Link have fit before.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Great roster. Just a little confused on a couple of additions.
Impa, C. Syrup, Sylveon, and prince fluff.

Holy **** i just triple posted. I appologize

Um, maybe because Impa and Captain Syrup are awesome?!?

Not sure about the other two, though...

So, these rosters that people are throwing up... how many of them are actually predictions opposed to just what they want? You sure see a lot of things that seem unlikely here.

 

[LittleKrool]

-Replace Ghirahim with TL or just add TL (-0.25)
-Add Lucario and R.O.B back in. It's very unlikely to kick them out unless your dreaming (-1.75)
-Add Bowser Jr. and Takamaru in (-0.75)
-kick Mii out (-0.25)
-Ridley and K.Rool are too big, you should kick their giant ***** outta the roster with Wario's infinite FS hack (though, this will not affect my would-play score)
-Put Sylveon in?
-PACMAN?????? KICK HIM THE **** OUTTA ROSTER!!!!!! NAO!!! ;;__;; (-2)

5.0 would play

Sure, but most characters in there were requested to be in, I only had 45 votes for R.O.P and 113 votes for lucario, so I didn't put them in, Pacman has a good 173 Votes, So I had to put him in, mii had over 130 votes, Most voted Was palutena, with 567, Adding Ashley got 230 likes, King K. rool was 3rd most voted with over 300, I can kick Ridley, I don't think I can add anymore, the roster is big as it is, with 50 characters.

 

[TheCreator]

Man I want Pacman to be in this game so bad. It just ain't happenin'....

 

[Curious Villager]

Really? Didn't know TL was requested.

During the Brawl days. In the West Toon Link was overshadowed by the Midna (And Zant) supporters yes. But in Japan he was much more heavily requested there. Chronobound told me that he got a ton of flack from Western fans when he mentioned that Toon Link was much more requested there. The same thing goes for Wolf as he was much more requested there too compared to Krystal (Although I heard that westerners requested Wolf too but where overshadowed by the much more loud Krystal fanbase)

 

[TheCreator]

Well then I'm glad he looks at what japan wants and not us. Maybe Tingle has a chance.

 

[mimgrim]

Man I want Pacman to be in this game so bad. It just ain't happenin'....

Pacman actually has a better chance then you think. Even though Sakurai said NB won't get any special treatment, I take that to mean they won't get like more then one character in the game. Like other 3rd parties. However they are helping with the game meaning they have a good chance of getting a single rep with Pacman being the most likely. Not to mention the possible leak.

 

[jaytalks]

Um, maybe because Impa and Captain Syrup are awesome?!?

Not sure about the other two, though...

So, these rosters that people are throwing up... how many of them are actually predictions opposed to just what they want? You sure see a lot of things that seem unlikely here.

At the end of the day, there is certain amount of likelihood that we agree on, and a certain amount that we don't. Lots of third party characters is something I think we all agree on. But franchise representation is something that people differ on more than people realize. Just because there are a large amount of people that agree on something doesn't mean it's necessarily more likely. And popularity isn't as much of a proven factor as people treat it, because characters added for popularity also had other things going for them.

I'd rather make a risky prediction roster be right as opposed to having a roster that people on this board like but that's wrong. And there's literally no stakes so people can pick however they want, so I usually include a few reach characters so I can say I was right after the game is released.

 

[TheCreator]

Yeah, it's just he's not popular or requested. Just extremely iconic. Could anybody tell me how Pacman fares in Japan?

 

[FalKoopa]

Sure, but most characters in there were requested to be in, I only had 45 votes for R.O.P and 113 votes for lucario, so I didn't put them in, Pacman has a good 173 Votes, So I had to put him in, mii had over 130 votes, Most voted Was palutena, with 567, Adding Ashley got 230 likes, King K. rool was 3rd most voted with over 300, I can kick Ridley, I don't think I can add anymore, the roster is big as it is, with 50 characters.

You should add ROB. He's important to Nintendo's history. People don't like him much, yeah, but no character has ever been cut due to unpopularity.

 

[TheCreator]

Yeah, it's just he's not popular or requested. Just extremely iconic. Could anybody tell me how Pacman fares in Japan?

 

[Curious Villager]

From what I've heard. Japan mainly wants to see a Tales character in Smash when it comes to Namco. They can't seem to agree on which one though. Maybe a Tekken character too. But I'm not sure on Pac-Man so far I know at least... :/

 

[N3ON]

Yeah, it's just he's not popular or requested. Just extremely iconic. Could anybody tell me how Pacman fares in Japan?

He gets an ok amount of requests for a Namco character, but last I checked not nearly as many as Tales characters do. Still not bad for a 3rd party, but there are several others with much more popularity (however many of them are also much more unlikely, like Sora or FF characters).

 

[Hotfeet444]

Great roster. Just a little confused on a couple of additions.
Impa, C. Syrup, Sylveon, and prince fluff.

Holy **** i just triple posted. I appologize

Impa - An important character to the Zelda Franchise that is good enough to warrant a spot.
C.Syrup - If Wario represents everything WarioWare, a character to represent the WarioLand side of his games would be good.
Sylveon - I've already explained everything I can on Sylveon's inclusion.
Prince Fluff - The unique style of gaming deserves some recognition, and what better way to do so than with a character from the game that started it?

 

[Gam3rALO]

Yeah, it's just he's not popular or requested. Just extremely iconic. Could anybody tell me how Pacman fares in Japan?

Im not sure in Japan. but the leak is promising! if thats true Pac Man is confirmed!!!

 

[LittleKrool]

You should add ROB. He's important to Nintendo's history. People don't like him much, yeah, but no character has ever been cut due to unpopularity.

I guess, The only thing R.O.B ever did for me was be slow when I wanted to play to two players on My NES..

 

[jaytalks]

ROB definitely should not be missing from any roster. He saved western gaming from oblivion (or saved console western gaming, or at the very least, allowed it to recover from the crash of 1984).

I think if Pac-Man were to be added because of his iconic nature rather than popularity. Most tales characters don't have a strong connection with Nintendo, while Pac-Man has, considering Miyamoto even worked on him with Pac-Man Vs. Lloyd is the only tales character with a strong relationship with Nintendo, but that was weakened with the PS2 release of his game. You can make an argument for Cress, but I don't think he as strongly affiliated as Lloyd.

 

[TheCreator]

Impa - An important character to the Zelda Franchise that is good enough to warrant a spot.
C.Syrup - If Wario represents everything WarioWare, a character to represent the WarioLand side of his games would be good.
Sylveon - I've already explained everything I can on Sylveon's inclusion.
Prince Fluff - The unique style of gaming deserves some recognition, and what better way to do so than with a character from the game that started it?

Wellll....
Impa - Disagree bigtime. I don't think she's important at all to the series, and I think a character with his own games warrants that spot a teensy bit more.
C. Syrup - Makes sense. I get your point here. But If we get another wario character I still think it'd be from WarioWare. There's just so many.
Sylveon - Makes sense.
Prince Fluff - True, but he's been in one game.

 

[Gene]

Well here's a new roster since I'm a bit bored.

Total characters: 50
Returning Characters: 33
Newcomers: 17 (3 confirmed)
Cut Characters: 2 (Being added as DLC, there's no real reason to keep him other than to keep the Charizard fans from being butthurt)

Newcomers: Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Captain Syrup, Impa, Classic Link (Someone gonna be mad) , Ridley, Mewtwo (returning), Sylveon, Chrom, Prince Fluff, Palutena, Little Mac, Takamaru, Shulk, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, MegaMan

Thoughts?

I like your roster. My only disagreements are Prince Fluff, Sylveon, Bowser Jr., and King K. Rool. Impa I'm 50/50, as well as Sonic and Snake.


mfw I'll never be able to make a roster with the Roster Maker because I can' get it to work on my mac.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I like your roster. My only disagreements are Prince Fluff, Sylveon, Bowser Jr., and King K. Rool. Impa I'm 50/50, as well as Sonic and Snake.


mfw I'll never be able to make a roster with the Roster Maker because I can' get it to work on my mac.

I use a Mac, I just open it up using Java (The .jar file)

Also, I've discussed Sylveon many times before, if you look back you'll see my reasoning for that.

Wellll....
Impa - Disagree bigtime. I don't think she's important at all to the series, and I think a character with his own games warrants that spot a teensy bit more.
C. Syrup - Makes sense. I get your point here. But If we get another wario character I still think it'd be from WarioWare. There's just so many.
Sylveon - Makes sense.
Prince Fluff - True, but he's been in one game.

Well, Impa is important somewhat, and has been a consistent character in five different titles that has served as assistance to Link and Zelda on many different occasions. Not to mention Impa kind of isn't hated by America.

As for Prince Fluff...sure, it's only been one game, but the game style seems to be a series in itself that will probably continue in the future. But hey, if Prince Fluff doesn't get in, no fret, I'd want Galacta Knight first.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

"Toon Link is clearly more popular, requested, and unique." no sir

How many posts are you going to make that simply aren't true. And I've said this several times: You can't just use a recent installment as an excuse for a character and give that as the only reason.

Toon Link has way more things to make him more logical than Classic Link. He's more unique because of his design and game style, he IS more popular, and more people want him over Classic Link. Classic Link can easily be implemented into a costume and already has been. Recency does not surpass logic.

Also your other posts are unbelievable. You're saying representing the newest gen has never happened when it always happened. And then you say "Oh, gen 2 wasn't represented in Brawl." YEAH, that's because it wasn't the new gen and neither was Gen 3 in brawl or Melee. Pichu is a gen 2 so Melee DID get the new gen rep. And then after all this you go on and support Classic Link for being the recent installment. History Lesson:

64's newest was gen 1:

Melee's newest was gen 2:

Brawl's newest was gen 4:

You can't use gen 3 or 5 as an excuse because they were not the newest gen at the time of Melee or SSB4.

Lol at you comparing Bomberman to Earthworm Jim & Rayman. Again look him up. He's had games from NES to Wii on almost all consoles and handhelds. Everybody knows him, he's had Nintendo exclusives, he was in Nintendo comics, he appeared alongside Wario on the Gameboy, there were animes, Bomberman Land was a hit, on and he is one of the most recognized game series. Honestly I'm getting a headache now.

Toon Link & Classic Link are NOT on the same level of uniqueness. Classic Link is Young Link with long hair and orange sleeves. Toon Link is a more unique design and has Toon styled attacks, All Classic Link has over Toon Link in uniqueness is Long Hair and Toon Link has more than that. And Toon Link has Classic Link's items because of Four Swords. And Classic Link isn't the newest version of Link (not that it's influential in the decision of which one.) It's simply a call-back to an already existing one.

As for your defense against Sheriff not moving, Pit can't fly on his own, all of Lucas's attacks belong to Kumatora, Olimar doesn't jump, and R.O.B. is a malfunctioning piece of crap that doesn't shoot lasers, or has a jetpack.

Duck Hunt Dog was not playable and was just a dog that made reactions based on the outcome of your performance. He was just the thing people remember most from the game.

How many of your posts are just biased lies?

@Hotfeet: Don't add Sylveon until X/Y is released and we know which Poke'mon GameFreak is going to exploit and represent X&Y.

 

[LittleKrool]

Sorry, couldn't make it look great. What is a "Smash roster maker"?