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Gune

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So I got bored and decided to do a new roster. That and I don't know what the current convo is. lol



You know what Chrom&Lissa menas.
Waluigi isn't under Wario due to me thinking he will be apart of Warioware/Wario Land shiz. He is next to Luigi to show off doppleganger status. Same reason Wario is next to Mario.
3 KI characters are there cause he ended up going from 1 Kirby rep to 3, so it isn't out of the realm of possibility that he might do it for KI and I feel like Magnus would be the one to get in.
Mewtwo replaces Lucario.
Zoroak is the new pokemon introducing a new gimmick.
Still say Lucario isnt going to be cut letalone for Zoroark. That magnus though love me some magnus but I do doubt sakurai would add 3 charecter's when has already stressed he doesent want to over rep his series. Kind off unlikely but I guess I would play 7.5/10
 

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They're pseudo-ordered sort of in this fashion

1
2
3/4
5/6/7
8/9/10

And I know people will disagree. I've taken the following into consideration:

1.- Number of characters representing the franchise (too many? Too bad. To little, they have a shot)
2.- Based on historical importance. How many times has Nintendo tried to reach out to this franchise.
3.- Based on Moveset potential (can you just slash, punch, or kick? Do you have a special gimmick for that? If you don't then is there any unique way in which you could fight?. If you don't have either then... we'll call you)
4.- Based on Assist Trophy status (not only for reaching it, but how dinamic was said assist trophy. Does it just stand there and stare while some extra action goes on? Or do you run across the stage trying to pummel different characters? How many actions do you perform? It's not the same comparing Barbara the Bat to Grey Fox for example).
5.- The game is as much Wii U as it's 3DS. Neither over the other. So characters from both sides should be considered.
6.- Games I know about. Clearly I'm not the biggest Fire Emblem fan, I've only played 2, and completed 1. Therefore I can't say how much of an impact characters like Crhom make over Ike, Roy, etc. I also don't pick popular picks just because they're popular, because neither does Sakurai.


More or less, sums it up.
I don't get why you put Ridley so low though?
also moveset potential is nothing they gave Fox a move set so they can give any one a move set
 

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I don't get why you put Ridley so low though?
also moveset potential is nothing they gave Fox a move set so they can give any one a move set

So low? He's still in the Top 10, and above the frowned upon Lip, Dillon and BF.

But I'll tell you why he's a mid-tier on my list:

1.- He's a villain. I know it's too early to say, but representing new franchises and new main characters might come first, this time at least.
2.- His size. (KIDDING! KIDDING!) He's competing in his own tier against Palutena (a sidekick) and Classic Link (a "clone"). Ridley could easily top at least Classc Link, but Sakurai probably knows Palutena and her moveset potential like the back of his hand. Something I'm not sure I can say he does for Ridley.
(I'm sorry I just don't see him topping the top 3-4 yet, for the following reason)
3.- Metroid just had a newcomer. In Sakurai's eyes, Zero Suit Samus was a Metroid newcomer. This means two things. He WILL probably give us another one when people weren't too amused with her, but he will also, again, try to represent other IPs as well.
4.- "Popularity alone won't make a character get into Smash Bros." - Masahiro Sakurai. But to be fair, he knows of the massive popularity in the west. I just don't think it will be enough to destroy Little Mac or Takamaru's chances. Though we could debate that he might be able to surpass Isaac, and maybe Saki too, but that's entering Japan fanbase territory as well.


And this is just what I think, btw. Don't take it too much to heart. :D I've just given several reasons, and that's it.
 

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Still say Lucario isnt going to be cut letalone for Zoroark. That magnus though love me some magnus but I do doubt sakurai would add 3 charecter's when has already stressed he doesent want to over rep his series. Kind off unlikely but I guess I would play 7.5/10
Did I say Lucario gerts cut for Zoroak? No I did not. I said Lucariop gets cut for Mewtwo and that Zoroak is a new addition with a new gimmick. e_e
 

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Did I say Lucario gerts cut for Zoroak? No I did not. I said Lucariop gets cut for Mewtwo and that Zoroak is a new addition with a new gimmick. e_e
Well, Sakurai would never say that "X character was replaced by Y", 'cause that would be insulting to the fans of the axed character.

So, who replaced Lucario will be open to interpretation. And I think most would believe Zoroark replaced him.
 

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So low? He's still in the Top 10, and above the frowned upon Lip, Dillon and BF.

But I'll tell you why he's a mid-tier on my list:

1.- He's a villain. I know it's too early to say, but representing new franchises and new main characters might come first, this time at least.
2.- His size. (KIDDING! KIDDING!) He's competing in his own tier against Palutena (a sidekick) and Classic Link (a "clone"). Ridley could easily top at least Classc Link, but Sakurai probably knows Palutena and her moveset potential like the back of his hand. Something I'm not sure I can say he does for Ridley.
(I'm sorry I just don't see him topping the top 3-4 yet, for the following reason)
3.- Metroid just had a newcomer. In Sakurai's eyes, Zero Suit Samus was a Metroid newcomer. This means two things. He WILL probably give us another one when people weren't too amused with her, but he will also, again, try to represent other IPs as well.
4.- "Popularity alone won't make a character get into Smash Bros." - Masahiro Sakurai. But to be fair, he knows of the massive popularity in the west. I just don't think it will be enough to destroy Little Mac or Takamaru's chances. Though we could debate that he might be able to surpass Isaac, and maybe Saki too, but that's entering Japan fanbase territory as well.


And this is just what I think, btw. Don't take it too much to heart. :D I've just given several reasons, and that's it.
what I don't understand is why every one thinks Palutena has a good chance Sakurai doesn't want to rep his own series to much it took 3 games to get more than 1 kirby rep
 

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Well, Sakurai would never say that "X character was replaced by Y", 'cause that would be insulting to the fans of the axed character.

So, who replaced Lucario will be open to interpretation. And I think most would believe Zoroark replaced him.
Well for my roster Mewtwo replaces Lucario. :p
 

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Who replaced who wasnt the main point, Zoroark being in smash while Lucario isnt is.
That's your opinion. I personally don't see the problem and find it totally acceptable. And don't try that "you hate Lucario" BS on me. I'm neutral to Lucario, indifferet if you will.
 

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Charizard is the biggest pokemon in the world, it's adored by fans, loved by all, and the most overrated Pokemon to ever exist. The Pokemon trainer as a character...not very popular, low-tiered, and not liked by a general consensus of people. Charizard's image is the only positive to his character, therefore he's the only reason he should stay around. I wouldn't go around saying "I'm sure you have plenty to back that up" when you yourself talk yourself in circles.

As for the Classic/Toon Link discussion, I don't even care enough to get into a debacle with you on it, because even if you're proven wrong, you can't accept it. That and the fact that others have explained it far better than I can since it's something so small to get angry over it's not even funny. By the way, guess who that "Someone gonna be mad :p" was for. :chuckle:
Your defense for PKMN Trainer was an opionion and thus you wasted your time. As for Toon Link you did not elaborate your senseless statement as I requested. You said Toon Link was illogical and I told you to explain how you came to that conclusion, yet you have no explanation. So I guess I'll prove why Classic Link is an illogical replacement for Toon Link.

Uniqueness

Classic Link

1. Young
2. Long hair
3. different tunic
4. Own items

Toon Link

1. Young
2. Cat Eyes
3. Cel Shaded
4. Different Tunic
5. Own items (including some of Classic Link's)
6. Different Head
7. Items have Toon effects


1. Classic Link can and has been implemented into a costume where as Toon Link can not.

2. Several characters have Classic Versions making Link no special case. No characters have Toon versions. The second Link was chosen because there are so many different versions. It's important to have another version, not another outfit.

Sure Classic Link has reasons to be in SSB4, but It doesn't matter what pros Classic Link has, Toon Link has more. That's what makes him MORE logical than Classic Link.

You shouldn't just not explain your side so you can proceed to say "Oh, you just can't accept when you're wrong, so there's no reason in stating a reason why I think you're wrong." It leads me to the assumtion you don't have reasons for your side.

I'm so done, we aren't discussing we are arguing.
1. Classic Link is a costume for Toon Link. Play SSBB

2. You have given NO reasons why Classic Link is more unique than Toon Link and continue to say he is.

3. Yeah, and Sheriff still shoots. You even admitted the retro characters hardly do anything from the game.

4. You admitted that you support Classic Link because you HOPE he will get in. You also admitted that the pattern of the newest PKMN gen being represented in SSB always happens and continue to say it doesn't matter. Where is your proof that it doesn't.

5. You also accept the proof and reasons of Bomberman's immense popularity and continue to not accept that he is popular.

Yeah, I think I'm just gonna put you on ignore now.

I plan on updating my roster tomorrow

A few things I can think of changing now:

-Replacing Matthew with Adult Isaac
-Replacing Genesect with Zoroark
-Replacing PKMN Trainer Gold with PKMN Trainer Red (but with different Pokemon, repping the first 3 Gens)
-Removing the Mii
-Adjusting my DLC section
-You should not have Adult Issac, I think that's the retire version of Issac and if you are going to represent Dark Dawn you should have the main character. Either have normal Issac or Matthew. I'd say Matthew.

-If you have a NEW Poke'mon rep it should be from gen 6. If it's not from gen 6 it needs to be Lucario.

-Don't remove the Mii it's important.

I shall! Just because somebody doesn't want someone in the game! doesn't mean they won't, back in 2006, I said wario should be in the next one, a lot of people said no, But he was! Thanks.

Also I was asked To remove Ridley from my roster because he was "to Big"..
Actually Ridley has several sizes, he was about the same size as Samus in the first Metroid and Melee. So size is not a reason not to have him. Though I don't care about ridley you have to admit he IS likely.
 

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Your defense for PKMN Trainer was an opionion and thus you wasted your time. As for Toon Link you did not elaborate your senseless statement as I requested. You said Toon Link was illogical and I told you to explain how you came to that conclusion, yet you have no explanation. So I guess I'll prove why Classic Link is an illogical replacement for Toon Link.

Uniqueness

Classic Link

1. Young
2. Long hair
3. different tunic
4. Own items

Toon Link

1. Young
2. Cat Eyes
3. Cel Shaded
4. Different Tunic
5. Own items (including some of Classic Link's)
6. Different Head
7. Items have Toon effects


1. Classic Link can and has been implemented into a costume where as Toon Link can not.

2. Several characters have Classic Versions making Link no special case. No characters have Toon versions. The second Link was chosen because there are so many different versions. It's important to have another version, not another outfit.

Sure Classic Link has reasons to be in SSB4, but It doesn't matter what pros Classic Link has, Toon Link has more. That's what makes him MORE logical than Classic Link.

You shouldn't just not explain your side so you can proceed to say "Oh, you just can't accept when you're wrong, so there's no reason in stating a reason why I think you're wrong." It leads me to the assumtion you don't have reasons for your side.
I agree with you on the whole Toon Link argument. Let's say that Sakurai hasn't made any cuts yet (I know he said it already but it's so vague I find it a bit too unreliable). That would mean we already have regular and Toon Link. It wouldn't make sense to add another Link. That's just my opinion, I just want Toon Link to stay though. Kind of my main, but he's still very popular and recurring.
 

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Here's what i think, since sakurai said each character is going to have their own unique system, this is my prediction:
Mario series:
-Mario
-Luigi (because its the year of luigi, snif)
-Peach
-Bowser
-Any random crappy chracter ( waluigi pls)

Wario ware series:
-Wario
-Anyone

Donkey kong series:
-DK
-Diddy or Dixie

Yoshi series:
-Yoshi and only yoshi, no more

The legend of zelda series:
-Link
-Zelda/Shiek
-Ganondorf ( maybe he will be removed, please nooooooo)
-random crappy ****head

Metroid series:
-Samus

Kid Icarus series:
-Pit

Pikmin series:
-Captain olimar

Kirby Series:
-Kirby
-Metaknight/King Dedede/another kirby character

Star Fox series:
-Fox
-Falco
-Someone else

F-zero:
Craptain ***ton

Pokemon:
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewthree
******** pokemon

Fire emblem:
Marth/that female version
Ike/chrom

Mother series:
Ness

Ice climbers:
Polar bear :3

3rd party characters
Megaman
Snake/Sonic
1 moar

4 characters from other franchises

Plus wii fit trainer and the villager

40 fighters in total
I like it, Wario can have ashley or mona. (9-volt even)
 

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That's your opinion. I personally don't see the problem and find it totally acceptable. And don't try that "you hate Lucario" BS on me. I'm neutral to Lucario, indifferet if you will.
Well you asked for thought's and I gave you mine, it's a great roster I just dont think Zoroark getting in over Lucario is Likely is all not saying it cant happen just saying zoroark's position right now makes it really unlikely... Anyway when have I ever acused that someone hates Lucario? I could care less if some people hate him, I like him thats all that matters.
 

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Well you asked for thought's and I gave you mine, it's a great roster I just dont think Zoroark getting in over Lucario is Likely is all not saying it cant happen just saying zoroark's position right now makes it really unlikely... Anyway when have I ever acused that someone hates Lucario? I could care less if some people hate him, I like him thats all that matters.
I've seen a few people accuse people of that and say that is why someoe gets rid of it. I just couldn't remember if you were on of them. :chuckle: But in all honesty I believe Zoroak has a better chance then you give it credit for.
 

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I've seen a few people accuse people of that and say that is why someoe gets rid of it. I just couldn't remember if you were on of them. :chuckle: But in all honesty I believe Zoroak has a better chance then you give it credit for.
Maybe Zoroak has a better chance than I give it credit for maybe...
 

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All punch can do is Little Mac, so he won't be in.

And Relevant hasn't been K. Rool for years!
 
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