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To be fair, it wouldn't exactly be surprising if Charizard was at least a contribution to the idea as a whole.
Exactly! That's what I said as well! Charizard is a big reason the Pokemon Trainer was included. I'm sure Sakurai knew about the demand to play as a Charizard in the days of Melee, so when Brawl came around, he wanted to include him but didn't want to under-rep the other starters, so poof, Pokemon Trainer is made so people can stop ******** about Charizard. It's basically. 45% wanting to rep the player people played as in the Pokemon games and 55% fans not shutting the hell up about wanting to play as a Charizard...an HM Slave Charizard at that.
 

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What have you ever said that's actually logical with any proof to back it up? None? Thought so. By the way, you didn't even prove anything. You gave no proof to back up anything you said, as you never do with pretty much anything else you try to disprove.
See what I mean? :cool:

He can use alot of different powers that are already available and possibly more unrevealed powers in a Link Between Worlds.
So can Toon Link , plus he has some of Classic Link moves. Oh, wait that proves why Toon Link is better than Classic Link again so it doesn't count according to Hotfeet. :rolleyes:
 

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Well, the idea of a Pokemon Trainer was brought up during Melee, but instead using the Johto starters. It can be assumed it was a case of utilizing an unused concept when the Pokemon Trainer character came in Brawl, albeit not exactly in the same way.

As to why the trainer is themed after Kanto, it can be assumed that it was chosen for the opportunity to include three generally popular Pokemon characters into Super Smash Bros. And Ivysaur.
 

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See what I mean? :cool:

See what I mean? :rolleyes:

So can Toon Link , plus he has some of Classic Link moves. Oh, wait that proves why Toon Link is better than Classic Link again so it doesn't count according to Hotfeet. :rolleyes:
That doesn't prove anything than the fact that he has some of his moves. :p You need more than that to prove that Toon Link is better. It's like saying Dr. Mario is better to represent because he's stronger and has some of normal Mario's moves, it just don't work like that. :chuckle:
 

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Ignoring the ignorant replies left on my statements when people can't even prove anything themselves while trying to prove someone wrong, I'm finally here.

....Where did all these Lucarios come from?
Ignoring counter arguments isn't a good way to prove your point to others.
 

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that's a good point. Ganondorf will be very interesting to see because of what art style they will use. I would hope they use OOT.

I don't think they will rework Toon Link or any second Link into a separate character, I think should stay roughly as they are.

I do think they'll basically do TP Ganondorf with some color and slight design changes. I'm much more curious about gameplay differences... for instance, it'll be pretty obvious if he's carrying around a sword now.

You wouldn't want to see Toon Link get new specials that are more closely aligned with his appearances? Give him a Deku Leaf, Hurricane Spin, and all that?
 

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Ignoring counter arguments isn't a good way to prove your point to others.
You can only prove so much, but when the opposition refuses to listen, there's no point in carrying on. That and the discussions of Classic/Toon Link are stupid, they're both a second Link and both shouldn't be in the game. Not to mention there are alot of others that have explained it better than I have, so I'll in turn let them say it. Also, when you come home from the dentist after having a couple of cavities filled in, you don't really feel like continuing useless debacles...I just got home from the dentist after having a couple of cavities filled in and I don't feel like continuing useless debacles.

Well, the idea of a Pokemon Trainer was brought up during Melee, but instead using the Johto starters. It can be assumed it was a case of utilizing an unused concept when the Pokemon Trainer character came in Brawl, albeit not exactly in the same way.

As to why the trainer is themed after Kanto, it can be assumed that it was chosen for the opportunity to include three generally popular Pokemon characters into Super Smash Bros. And Ivysaur.
It was probably because of the, at the time, pretty recent remakes of the original generation that labeled his chance to include the design. And I'm not going to lie...it's kind of odd to see you this serious. :p
 

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Again, see what I mean guys. Did you not read the post only a couple pages back. Of course you did. But, when you don't agree with something than it doesn't count and you refuse to admit it even existed. That's a horrible way to convince yourself that you're always right. Even Ariand/AEM agrees.

P.S. Not that it's relevant, but wouldn't getting your cavities filled make you tired of talking, not typing?
 

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I do think they'll basically do TP Ganondorf with some color and slight design changes. I'm much more curious about gameplay differences... for instance, it'll be pretty obvious if he's carrying around a sword now.

You wouldn't want to see Toon Link get new specials that are more closely aligned with his appearances? Give him a Deku Leaf, Hurricane Spin, and all that?
I think is they use OOT Ganondorf he can be faster. Sakurai specifically mentioned TP Ganondorf was slower because he's middle aged.

The way I look Toon Link is the way I look at all other clone characters. If I were to design Toon Link without respect to any other characters (including Link), I would probably wouldn't change his moveset. All his weapons are iconic to the Zelda series. If he was the main Link, I would want him to keep the moveset he has now. And the two play differently enough right now.

I don't have a need to see clones lose their movesets (mainly their specials). I wouldn't mind if was differentiated, but I also don't think it's necessary.
 

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It was probably because of the, at the time, pretty recent remakes of the original generation that labeled his chance to include the design. And I'm not going to lie...it's kind of odd to see you this serious. :p
Very odd indeed...ate a really hot corndog maybe?
 

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Again, see what I mean guys. Did you not read the post only a couple pages back. Of course you did. But, when you don't agree with something than it doesn't count and you refuse to admit it even existed. That's a horrible way to convince yourself that you're always right. Even Ariand/AEM agrees.

P.S. Not that it's relevant, but wouldn't getting your cavities filled make you tired of talking, not typing?
The point is you can't prove it, it's basically the same character with different designs, and which ever character people think is better is determined on someone's opinion. And if you think you can try and prove people's OPINIONS wrong, you look like a Grade A Douche-nozzle, especially since both characters have reasons to be in the game and not be in the game at the same time.

Also, what it makes me have is a lack of patients...that and I don't want another Dry Bowser conversation.

So, everyone, what was the current topic before Noah tried proving opinions wrong again? Fire Emblem? Pokemon? Zelda? Retros? ANYTHING?

This thread has gone to **** a long time ago, so taking it seriously anymore is just a waste of breath.
*Sigh* Tell me about it.

...Sonic 06 glitches for Smash 4? :)
 

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The point is you can't prove it, it's basically the same character with different designs, and which ever character people think is better is determined on someone's opinion. And if you think you can try and prove people's OPINIONS wrong, you look like a Grade A Douche-nozzle, especially since both characters have reasons to be in the game and not be in the game at the same time.

Also, what it makes me have is a lack of patients...that and I don't want another Dry Bowser conversation.

So, everyone, what was the current topic before Noah tried proving opinions wrong again? Fire Emblem? Pokemon? Zelda? Retros? ANYTHING?
umm what Pikmin character do people want to be playable in smash other than olimar of course
 

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umm what Pikmin character do people want to be playable in smash other than olimar of course
Oh! That's an easy one!



You can command an army of bulbmen, throw your babies at people, attack with bites and headbutts, and transform into Emperor Bulbax as a final Smash. :p


Well, we could always discuss Fire Emblem and make huge essays as to why your favorite Lord is a load of crap.
It's times like that that make me happy that my favorite Fire Emblem characters are side-characters. :ohwell:
 

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umm what Pikmin character do people want to be playable in smash other than olimar of course
Was gonna say Louie, but BRITTANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. her voice is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CUTE!
 

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So, everyone, what was the current topic before Noah tried proving opinions wrong again? Fire Emblem? Pokemon? Zelda? Retros? ANYTHING?
Talking about which returner you are most excited for.
I'm excited to see Marth (and Ike if he gets in) to see their new redesigns from their most recent games in action (FE12 and FE10 respectively).
 

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Charlie would be a heavyweight Olimar + Falcon clone, and use moves like Pikmin Punch.:chuckle:
 

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Favorite returning veterans?


Gotta go fast! :p
I would like that since that means we could get another trailer with Live and Learn. Or if they want to represent the Wii Generation, they could feature Sonic Colors' main theme. Sonic Colors was a good 3D sonic.
 

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I would like that since that means we could get another trailer with Live and Learn. Or if they want to represent the Wii Generation, they could feature Sonic Colors' main theme. Sonic Colors was a good 3D sonic.
Both Generations and Colors were really good games, the same with the Sonic 4 titles, especially episode 2. Sonic Lost World also looks really promising. It's like ever since Sonic's VA became Roger Craig Smith his games started getting better. Now...if only more of Sonic's abilities can be represented in his moveset in Smash Bros. His side smash should seriously be his Sonic boost ability, his up smash could be Blue Tornado and down smash being Sonic wind. Aerial attacks can be mixed with his trick moves from the handheld games, and more. The point is...Sonic should NOT be boring this time around.
 

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I think its just that Sonic hasn't had a good game in so long that even a mediocre games look good
Sonic lost worlds looks cool though
that's a bit unfair to these game. They are definitely not mediocre. They take the right cues from great platformers like Mario Galaxy, so they weren't as innovative, but they were still good games.

Sega and Sonic have maintained a great relationship with Nintendo, so the only reason I can imagine he does make it back in is if the 3rd party spots are one time deals. But there is too much money to be made from seeing Sonic, Mario, and Mega Man in one game. And Sonic already has experience fighting and teaming up with Mega Man.
 

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I think its just that Sonic hasn't had a good game in so long that even a mediocre games look good
Sonic lost worlds looks cool though
Perhaps, but considering how well-made the games are, especially generations, they really are good games. Not to mention I hope Episode 3 of Sonic 4 comes out soon...probably going to be playing as or involve Knuckles this time around. I'm just thankful they brought back Metal Sonic and actually explained what happened to the real Metal Sonic after the events of Sonic CD...as odd as the reasons were...
 

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Returning veterans... First is first, ganondorf, and then comes snah-ki and sanic
 

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Did I mention how happy I was to see Megaman after people said he was a dead franchise and wouldnt make smash? I WAS F****** HAPPY
 

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I know some people would not be happy about that, there is never a perfect game :( the same goes for my hopes of heavy weapons guy entering smash bros...
 

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Honestly, I'd be really mad if they removed the Ice Climbers...good thing that won't happen. Seriously, Sakurai doesn't like bringing up things that didn't make it into the game, so the fact that he mentioned the Ice Climbers by name is giving me a sort of guarantee that they'll be in...
 

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that's a bit unfair to these game. They are definitely not mediocre. They take the right cues from great platformers like Mario Galaxy, so they weren't as innovative, but they were still good games.

Sega and Sonic have maintained a great relationship with Nintendo, so the only reason I can imagine he does make it back in is if the 3rd party spots are one time deals. But there is too much money to be made from seeing Sonic, Mario, and Mega Man in one game. And Sonic already has experience fighting and teaming up with Mega Man.
Perhaps, but considering how well-made the games are, especially generations, they really are good games. Not to mention I hope Episode 3 of Sonic 4 comes out soon...probably going to be playing as or involve Knuckles this time around. I'm just thankful they brought back Metal Sonic and actually explained what happened to the real Metal Sonic after the events of Sonic CD...as odd as the reasons were...
well I found them both boring sadly but the only sonic game I ever liked is Sonic Adventure 2 battle so maybe i'm not the best to judge sonic games
 

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Did I mention how happy I was to see Megaman after people said he was a dead franchise and wouldnt make smash? I WAS F****** HAPPY
As a Capcom fan that has seen how far many fanbases of their franchises have crumbled *cough* ULTRA STREET FIGHTER IV *Cough*, I can easily say I felt the exact same way.
 

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You can only prove so much, but when the opposition refuses to listen, there's no point in carrying on. That and the discussions of Classic/Toon Link are stupid, they're both a second Link and both shouldn't be in the game. Not to mention there are alot of others that have explained it better than I have, so I'll in turn let them say it. Also, when you come home from the dentist after having a couple of cavities filled in, you don't really feel like continuing useless debacles...I just got home from the dentist after having a couple of cavities filled in and I don't feel like continuing useless debacles.
If you find discussions of Classic / Toon Link stupid, why do you choose to create them by saying that you expect Classic Link over Toon Link?
I have no issue with your preference, everybody has a right to say "Hey I'd love to see this character because I like him / her / it". But suggesting that Classic Link, a character who looks more like the regular Link we see in Smash in body type is more likely than the more popular and cartoony-proportioned Toon Link who would be a returning veteren.
The point is you can't prove it, it's basically the same character with different designs, and which ever character people think is better is determined on someone's opinion. And if you think you can try and prove people's OPINIONS wrong, you look like a Grade A Douche-nozzle, especially since both characters have reasons to be in the game and not be in the game at the same time.
I suppose I can try to prove it then.

Link to Classic Link

They share the exact same Sword and Shield, with both designs being EXTREMELY similar (If not the same for the Sword).
Classic Link's tunic is very basic and simple in comparison to Links. They both have leggings and fairly similar boots though. But their body type and general design are just far too similar, it would really just be another case of Young Link.

Link to Toon Link

Toon Link is just very different from Link (Despite this being a beta colored image, it was the only one with a pose with both his Sword and Shield visible). The head, legs, eyes, body type, and shield are remarkably different. We can't also forget that is color scheme and overall style is unique too (With his shirt color normally being a lime green). His overall size and design are very different to the Link we have in SSBWU/3DS. This is why he would make much more sense as a playable character, being a clone or not.

There are far too many people who complain about two Links as it is, but replacing the visibly different one with a more similar looking Link is just begging for trouble (Especially when the previous one is then changed to become Downloadable Content in your roster Hotfeet).
Especially when you suggest that he could use more of his unique items in his moveset when Toon Link not only has more at his disposal, but he also has access to several of Classic Link's as well. Toon Link just is the more logical character choice due to both his veteren status and unique body type in comparison to the already existing Link.
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Another thing I want to touch on is Sylveon. Now I'm not saying that Sylveon isn't likely, but I'm saying that it is a very odd character choice. You say that the Eevee Family is very important to the Pokemon franchise. But if that was the case, why haven't they received anything else other than getting Eevee as a trophy in Melee and Glaceon and Leafeon sharing a trophy in Brawl?

I think we would probably see Sylveon to be a Pokeball Pokemon before being a playable character and I think this would be the logical thing to do. As it seems to be branded as the first Fairy type Pokemon, it makes sense for it to represent Fairy type Pokemon using Moonblast. As Jigglypuff, an already existing playable character, be allowed to utilize the Fairy type moves. It just seems like the better thing to do to me.
 
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