Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[FalKoopa]

Link, Ganon, Zelda (+ Sheik) are pretty much the necessary choices for The Legend of Zelda, anything else is a bonus.

Fixed for truth.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I disagree. I would like to see Smash have more flavor, i.e. add charaters with different styles from popular series.

So, what you're saying is that we should pad out the varies series with incredibly minor characters?

 

[Morbi]

So, what you're saying is that we should pad out the varies series with incredibly minor characters?

If you think Tingle is a minor character... I feel sorry for you. Refer to your sig.

 

[mimgrim]

I still think that if Toon Link stays Toon Zelda&Tetra are going to be the most likely new Zelda rep, if Zelda gets a new rep. Then in the next Smash game If the Toons remains then we will see Toon Ganaondorf and thus have 2 complete sets from the Zelda games. :L

 

[volbound1700]

Eh, this isn't really a point. I have an account on Wikipedia, and I can just as easily make a page on Ghirahim or Vaati.

EDIT: I think we've come to an agreement though.

Actually you cannot just edit the main Zelda page and pages do exist for characters.

@ Noah - What makes Midna a dumb idea? Every poll indicates she been more popular than any of the advice companions in Zelda (over Navi, Tatl, Fi, and King of Red Lions).

 

[TheLastJinjo]

What about Operation Moonfall & Majora's Mask in Animal Crossing New Leaf?

So, what you're saying is that we should pad out the varies series with incredibly minor characters?

He has a point. I think is ALL we need. The 4 necessary Zelda characters.

I don't think it should be anybody, but this.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Skull Kid surpasses Vaati by a LOOOOOOONG Shot

Vaati is a PERFECT example showing that appearing in more installments does not always make you more likely than another character.

Are you saying that Skull Kid has a better chance at getting into SSB4 than Vaati does?

 

[Morbi]

Actually you cannot just edit the main Zelda page and pages do exist for characters.

@ Noah - What makes Midna a dumb idea? Every poll indicates she been more popular than any of the advice companions in Zelda (over Navi, Tatl, Fi, and King of Red Lions).

Well Midna is the most popular because she isn't annoying. LOL. Just saying. I actually liked King of Red Lions more. Mostly because he doesn't grind poor animals...

 

[Hotfeet444]

Well there is a pose in Wii Fit called the Solar Salutation, and she's doing that exact same pose.

and the image is back online at the main site so I doubt it's an unintentional leak.

Also Hotfeet, you should make a Sylveon thread.

Thanks for the suggestion....because I just did.

http://smashboards.com/threads/power-of-the-fairy-type-sylveon-for-ssb4.338458/

 

[FlareHabanero]

Also, Noah, please back up your claims instead of spewing garbage. It's one thing to say something is true, and another thing when it's actually proven.

If you're disguising a lie as a truth, that will hurt your credibility.

 

[volbound1700]

So, what you're saying is that we should pad out the varies series with incredibly minor characters?

Sakurai likes characters that add unique playstyles.

A list of Nintendo characters I think will be well received and add value/playstyle wise to the game:

Bowser Jr.
Midna/Wolf Link
Skull Kid
Prince Fluff/Yarn Kirby
Krystal
Ridley (could be similar to Charizard)
Any sorceror character from Fire Emblem series
Saki
Little Mac
Duck Hunt Dog
Takamaru

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Actually you cannot just edit the main Zelda page and pages do exist for characters.

@ Noah - What makes Midna a dumb idea? Every poll indicates she been more popular than any of the advice companions in Zelda (over Navi, Tatl, Fi, and King of Red Lions).

Several Stupid Characters Are Requested.

 

[Arcanir]

Well Midna is the most popular because she isn't annoying. LOL. Just saying. I actually liked King of Red Lions more. Mostly because he doesn't grind poor animals...

The hell?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Are you saying that Skull Kid has a better chance at getting into SSB4 than Vaati does?

 

[mimgrim]

What about Operation Moonfall & Majora's Mask in Animal Crossing New Leaf?



He has a point. I think is ALL we need. The 4 necessary Zelda characters.

I don't think it should be anybody, but this.

I think if we keep Toon Link we should get Toon Zelda&Tetra. :L

 

[Autumn ♫]

I think if we keep Toon Link we should get Toon Zelda&Tetra. :L

or we could add Vaati as a villian for the toon series and not another Toon version of a character we already have.

 

[Morbi]

or we could add Vaati as a villian for the toon series and not another Toon version of a character we already have.

I actually agree with this. Toon Zelda seems more likely because she is one of the 7. However, I would actually prefer Vaati... by far.

The hell?

Mostly a joke... but Midna does bump and grind on Links back. It is canon, bro.

 

[MexM]

Any link in that art style is Toon Link. Toon Link is a generalization of Cel shaded link. This is fact. And Toon Link is part of a stage. Maybe he's planned a replacement, like Young Link or Classic Link. But I doubt any of you could convince me that toon link has not been removed, or is not likely to go.
Maybe he'll return if they call him Wind Waker link

Nope. If you readed the Toon Link trophy, you will see it refers to him specifically as the Link from Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass which is the same. There is no evidence that this also refers to the Links from Four Swords Adventures, Four Swords, Minish Cap and Spirit Tracks (which came out AFTER Brawl.)

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

He has a point. I think is ALL we need. The 4 necessary Zelda characters.

I don't think it should be anybody, but this.

So Skull Kid is in your most recent roster because.....?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

My theory is Toon Zelda was removed from Brawl because it was excessive an unnecessary.
It's like having Paper Mario and then adding Paper Peach. You made your point with one Toon Character.

Besides I thought smash fans hated Semi-Clones

So Skull Kid is in your most recent roster because.....?

The mere possibility that Toon Link may be removed.

 

[Deleted member]

Low priority =/= definate cut. The reason Jigs is low priority is because it is eseay to create but just because it is low priority doesn't mean it doesn't have one heck of a chance to get into the new game.

a) Never argued that it was a definite cut. Just that she isn't a definite stay.
b) Until you have a source to back up the "easy to create" case, do not use it. We have Mr. Game & Watch as pretty much the easiest character to make, and Mr. Game & Watch was not among the low-priority characters. Jigglypuff was.

I think she would have higher priority this time around. I don't have any proof, but I feel that since she managed to survive the axe in Brawl, her position on Smash Bros. is kind of cemented.

Not a really good way to think, to be honest.

One major reason is because the implied reasoning she was low-priority in the first place is still in effect; no longer heavily promoted, which is something Sakurai said is what he looks at when it comes to Pokémon.
And no, being one of many Pokémon to gain the new Fairy Type doesn't mean much.

 

[Gune]

My theory is Toon Zelda was removed from Brawl because it was excessive an unnecessary.
It's like having Paper Mario and then adding Paper Peach. You made your point with one Toon Character.

Besides I thought smash fans hated Semi-Clones



The mere possibility that Toon Link may be removed.

We hate clones that dont make sense aka Falcondorf. Toon link and Toon zelda make sense as clones.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

We hate clones that dont make sense aka Falcondorf toon link and toon zelda make sense as clones.

Of course they are, but that's not what I hear most of the time if you ask me.

However Toon Link & Lucas should have their own PSI & Items.

I like semi-clones though. Adding a character like Wolf and putting a unique twist on Fox's moves is cool

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

The list isn't totally complete, but:

[collapse="Zelda characters and their appearances"]
List of major story-related Zelda characters that have appeared in more than one Zelda game:

• Link
• Zelda
• Ganondorf (OoT, WW, TP)
• Ganon
• Young Link (OoT, MM)
• Impa (going by name: Zelda 1, Zelda 2, OoT, OoS, OoA, SS)
• Twinrova (OoT, MM, OoS, OoA)
• Vaati (FS, FSA, MC)
• Toon Link (WW, PH, ST)
• Tetra (WW, PH, FSA)
• Toon Zelda (WW, ST)
• Linebeck (going by name: PH, ST)
• ALttP Link (ALttP, LA, OoS, OoA, possibly ALttP2)

List of major story-related Zelda characters that have only appeared in one Zelda game:

• Agahnim (ALttP)
• Navi (OoT)
• Sheik (OoT)
• (Majora) Skull Kid (MM)
• The King of Red Lions (WW)
• Midna (TP)
• Zant (TP)
• Byrne (ST)
• Groose (SS)
• Fi (SS)
• Ghirahim (SS)

List of recurring Zelda characters:

• Epona
• Deku Tree
• Kaepora Gaebora
• Happy Mask Salesman
• Beedle
• Biggoron
• Maple
• (Regular) Skull Kid
• The Postman

List of characters named Tingle:

• Tingle (MM, OoA, WW, MC, SS as an easter egg, Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland, Tingle's Love Balloon Fight)

[/collapse]
The characters in green are characters that have been in Smash Bros. either in the form as a playable character or an Assist Trophy. Take note that the only playable characters so far have been the major story-related ones. The only exception to this is Sheik, who is already Zelda in the first place as well as that OoT has been re-released a multitude of times, as well as that it has gotten a recent remake. None of the other one-off characters have the advantage of familiarity and veteranship that Sheik has.

That being said, it's realistic to say that it's unlikely that Majora Skull Kid, Midna, or Ghirahim will ever be in Smash Bros. unless they're involved in a future Zelda game, none of which appears to be likely considering Majora was destroyed in a parallel universe to Hyrule (having no effects of consequence on the main timeline), Midna has gone back to her realm never to see Link again, and Ghirahim was abolished away by the end of Skyward Sword.

So can we stop trying to beg for one-offs when they're unlikely to happen based on what evidence we have from 3 Smash Bros. games?

 

[Autumn ♫]

The list isn't totally complete, but:

[collapse="Zelda characters and their appearances"]
List of major story-related Zelda characters that have appeared in more than one Zelda game:

• Link
• Zelda
• Ganondorf (OoT, WW, TP)
• Ganon
• Young Link (OoT, MM)
• Impa (going by name: Zelda 1, Zelda 2, OoT, OoS, OoA, SS)
• Twinrova (OoT, MM, OoS, OoA)
• Vaati (FS, FSA, MC)
• Toon Link (WW, PH, ST)
• Tetra (WW, PH, FSA)
• Toon Zelda (WW, ST)
• Linebeck (going by name: PH, ST)
• ALttP Link (ALttP, LA, OoS, OoA, possibly ALttP2)

List of major story-related Zelda characters that have only appeared in one Zelda game:

• Agahnim (ALttP)
• Navi (OoT)
• Sheik (OoT)
• (Majora) Skull Kid (MM)
• The King of Red Lions (WW)
• Midna (TP)
• Zant (TP)
• Byrne (ST)
• Groose (SS)
• Fi (SS)
• Ghirahim (SS)

List of recurring Zelda characters:

• Epona
• Deku Tree
• Kaepora Gaebora
• Happy Mask Salesman
• Beedle
• Biggoron
• Maple
• (Regular) Skull Kid
• The Postman

List of characters named Tingle:

• Tingle (MM, OoA, WW, MC, SS as an easter egg, Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland, Tingle's Love Balloon Fight)

[/collapse]

The characters in green are characters that have been in Smash Bros. either in the form as a playable character or an Assist Trophy. Take note that the only playable characters so far have been the major story-related ones. The only exception to this is Sheik, who is already Zelda in the first place as well as that OoT has been re-released a multitude of times, as well as that it has gotten a recent remake. None of the other one-off characters have the advantage of familiarity and veteranship that Sheik has.

That being said, it's realistic to say that it's unlikely that Majora Skull Kid, Midna, or Ghirahim will ever be in Smash Bros. unless they're involved in a future Zelda game, none of which appears to be likely considering Majora was destroyed in a parallel universe to Hyrule (having no effects of consequence on the main timeline), Midna has gone back to her realm never to see Link again, and Ghirahim was abolished away by the end of Skyward Sword.

So can we stop trying to beg for one-offs when they're unlikely to happen based on what evidence we have from 3 Smash Bros. games?

That's why we should support Vaati!

 

[MexM]

• Toon Link (WW, PH, ST)

Hey hey hey, the Link from Spirit Tracks is not the same Link as WW and PH, sir. Buy if you're reffering to the use of the model of Toon Link, you should include Four Swords Adventures, Four Swords, Minish Cap.

Also, no Ezlo in major story-related characters?

 

[Starbound]

Yeah, I don't really get Ghirahim either. He's like a much less popular Midna, and Midna didn't get in either.

 

[SchAlternate]

Well, let's not forget Toon Link comes from a different game than Adult Link. Therefore, if they do get around on changing his movepool, they'd give him items and skills that only appear/appear more commonly in games were the "toon" artstyle is used (ex. Grappling Hook, Mole Mitts, Bombchus, Hurricane Spin, etc.)

Speaking of Zelda characters that need to be more than just a clone... wouldn't it be cool if Ganondorf used a trident or something?

 

[jaytalks]

I don't think any of the villains in the series other than Ganon (and by extension Ganondorf) outrank Toon Link (WW) in terms of importance to the series. So I don't see any of the replacing Toon Link's spot. If Zelda got a fifth slot, then we can talk about these other characters, but all that really comes down to preference, especially the villains. Most of Zelda games have been really critically received well, so it's hard to compare them in that aspect. The villains don't really sell or add to the game critically, as they all have been great bosses (aside from Skull Kid). Being a reoccurring character hasn't helped other Zelda characters before, other than Tingle, who has his own game anyway. But Tingle is also a character so hated, that they decided to not include him in TP. So it's all just debate about who you lioke more when it comes down to it.

I think when it comes down to it, the best person to replace Toon Link is a new Young Link (Classic Link) (ALTTP). But there really isn't a need as he would be just another "clone." Which doesn't make sense with Toon Link or any Link for that matter. If you designed any Link and he was the only Link you had in the game, you would give him bombs, arrows, a boomerang, a hookshot, and a swordspin. Why should Toon Link or any other Link be needlessly differentiated to make him use less of the Zelda series iconic weapons? All that matters is that the play different, and all you need to look at is a tier list to know that they do.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Hey hey hey, the Link from Spirit Tracks is not the same Link as WW and PH, sir. Buy if you're reffering to the use of the model of Toon Link, you should include Four Swords Adventures, Four Swords, Minish Cap.

Also, no Ezlo in major story-related characters?

Like I said, it wasn't a complete list, but it got the point out. Toon Link is plenty recurring and important. You and I both know that.

 

[MexM]

Like I said, it wasn't a complete list, but it got the point out. Toon Link is plenty recurring and important. You and I both know that.

Okay then. :3

 

[shrooby]

Everyone's throwing out these characters like Ghirahim, Toon Zelda, Vaati and Skull Kid, and while I respect all of them, we all know who the REAL next Zelda rep is going to be:

 

[8-peacock-8]

Everyone's throwing out these characters like Ghirahim, Toon Zelda, Vaati and Skull Kid, and while I respect all of them, we all know who the REAL next Zelda rep is going to be:

I would love it if he somehow got in.

 

[mimgrim]

or we could add Vaati as a villian for the toon series and not another Toon version of a character we already have.

I guess you just don't get the reasoning I have state multiple times of hainv Toon Zelda&Tetra. I ONLY say Toon Zelda&Tetra IF we keep Toon Link and Get Toon Ganondorf in the next Smash after Smash 4. That way we can have 2 complete sets from the LoZ games. e_e

 

[FalKoopa]

I guess you just don't get the reasoning I have state multiple times of hainv Toon Zelda&Tetra. I ONLY say Toon Zelda&Tetra IF we keep Toon Link and Get Toon Ganondorf in the next Smash after Smash 4. That way we can have 2 complete sets from the LoZ games. e_e

Eh, do we really need Toon Ganondorf for the 2nd set? I'd say Vaati fits in nicely.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I guess you just don't get the reasoning I have state multiple times of hainv Toon Zelda&Tetra. I ONLY say Toon Zelda&Tetra IF we keep Toon Link and Get Toon Ganondorf in the next Smash after Smash 4. That way we can have 2 complete sets from the LoZ games. e_e

I don't see why we should have Toon Ganon in ssb5 if he's only appeared in one game

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

I guess you just don't get the reasoning I have state multiple times of hainv Toon Zelda&Tetra. I ONLY say Toon Zelda&Tetra IF we keep Toon Link and Get Toon Ganondorf in the next Smash after Smash 4. That way we can have 2 complete sets from the LoZ games. e_e

Three pairs of clones. Delightful.

 

[FalKoopa]

Three pairs of clones. Delightful.

Nah, pretty sure Tetra and Toon Ganondorf won't be clones.

 

[mimgrim]

Eh, do we really need Toon Ganondorf for the 2nd set? I'd say Vaati fits in nicely.

For me it makes sense because realistic Link, Zelda/Shiek, and Ganondorf and then toon versions of each one. But it seems like it's just me. :L

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Nah, pretty sure Tetra and Toon Ganondorf won't be clones.

I meant "clone" as in "incarnation". Tetra is clearly not a ninja and Toon Ganondorf is easily different. We don't need multiple Toon characters. We only need one. It'll get stale if we overdo it. That was what I was getting at.