Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Rebellious Treecko]

I didn't. I called it a representation of Gen 6. I also said that this Mewtwo is not the same one from Gen 1. It is a new Mewtwo, cloned in Gen 6.

Uhhhhh...........ehhhhh?

Where'd you get that from?

 

[Hotfeet444]

Victini is much cuter and more adorable.

I think they're equally adorable. Why?

They have the same eyes and overall adorable face.

 

[zauberdragon]

Predictions concerning both Pokemon and Fire Emblem, I always see as the hardest. Both franchises have hundreds of potential characters but only a fraction of those are realistic choices. Both have chequered histories with Smash Bros which causes even more debate.
No matter the result of what happens with these two franchises, it's going to be really interesting.

 

[kikaru]

While I do agree that all the Pokemon mentioned can bring in something cool/ different I don't agree that relevancy and especially rarity in the games play that big of a role in a character's inclusion. Let's take a look at Sheik for example, Sheik has only had a staple role in two Zelda games being Ocarina of Time and its 3DS remake, yet while Sheik has greatly fallen off the radar in terms of relevancy we have still seen her inclusion in Brawl, and most likely will see her return in the next game as well. Captain Falcon, the entire Star Fox crew, and everyone from the Mother series also suffer this issue in relevancy, (Although it hasn't been that many years for some of them) yet we continue to see their inclusions time and time again. And while Retro series don't really count here, we can still note that even as dead as Kid Icarus was pre-Brawl, the relevancy factor played a negligible role.

While all the Pokemon you mentioned are popular, Lucario as well, Lucario does have one ace card that none of the aforementioned characters have and that is veteran status. Now while this doesn't save everyone I still believe it's certainly a strong factor. I'd be down to play any of those characters, but my priority would have to go to the first four I mentioned in my previous post with the fifth slot really going to whoever would make the game more fun and enjoyable.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I believe that Lucario has a good chance of staying not just because of what kikaru said but also because he is still heavily promoted as a character even past his generation.

 

[Hotfeet444]

While all the Pokemon you mentioned are popular, Lucario as well, Lucario does have one ace card that none of the aforementioned characters have and that is veteran status. Now while this doesn't save everyone I still believe it's certainly a strong factor.

I'm just going to say this...if it wasn't enough to save Mewtwo, it DEFINITELY isn't enough to save Lucario.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Then prepare to see Pokemon reps being overrepped.
IMO, we need to keep reps at a minimum of 4 for each franchise, to give space for other characters.

 

[Starbound]

I'm hoping you're implying slots on the character selection screen...

and even if you did, Mario had five slots in Melee.

(and I think it should in SmashU).

 

[kikaru]

I'm just going to say this...if it wasn't enough to save Mewtwo, it DEFINITELY isn't enough to save Lucario.

And perhaps that might be the case, all we can really do is wait and see.

 

[Hotfeet444]

And perhaps that might be the case, all we can really do is wait and see.

That's pretty much the case with everything at this point, and I can only hope we'll get some new info during the time of San Diego Comic-Con. This news drought is kind of waring me out.

Then prepare to see Pokemon reps being overrepped.
IMO, we need to keep reps at a minimum of 4 for each franchise, to give space for other characters.

I'd normally agree, but I think the big three are deserving of five each. Mario and Pokemon are big enough to deserve this much. All I can say is that I wouldn't be surprised if this is the way it goes in Smash 4.

 

[PlatinumGamer64]

There's no hope............

Reasonably likely characters or transformations are immediately crucified for not being preferred or considered. Horrible ideas are supported for recency. I'm not saying anybody on here is a noob, but Smash noobs ARE the majority of Smashfans. So I'm not surprised the rioting on Dry Bowser transformation is so great in number. I suppose if the majority agreed he's a GOOD than that would be mean he's a BAD idea.

I've given several good reasons and evidence, but few listen to reason. All I can do now is smile and pretend.

If specific people won't listen there is not point trying to sway those specific people.

I'm just going to respectfully state opinions on new subjects, and ignore ignorant rioting. I'll just have to be nice, even if I'm pretending.......
There's really not left to do on this site.

(P.S. I'm not permabanned)

 

[Arcanir]

I just don't see Lucario receiving that kind of treatment. Lucario's overall popularity has been dropping recently and his importance to the franchise is almost little to non-existant. He's not even the super-rare pokemon he was in Brawl days, which seriously takes away from his interest factor.

Zoroark is a pokemon who had events that spread across two generations, is still a really rare and popular pokemon, and a Dark Type would be a new type of fighting style. Genesect is a Pokemon who has direct connections to the villainous team in the franchise, which is huge, and he's only continuing to become popular as time goes on, Victini is still popular thanks to having two movies, being the first major event Pokemon of Gen 5, and having a role in the latest Mystery Dungeon title, that and he's Junichi Masuda's favorite pokemon. Lucario just looks like he's going to become obscure as generations go on, and while these three may follow suit later on, they're still pretty relevant in the franchise and are still very popular, as well as being unique in their own rights.

Actually Lucario is still pretty popular, maybe not as much as he was in Generation 4 but he still has a very dedicated fanbase. Also, he's still pretty promoted even heading the B2W2 campaign.

As for Gen 5, I'm worried it's going to get the Gen 3 treatment that Brawl had. As said before Sakurai is not keen on equal representation of generations and with Mewtwo's demand along with a new form I think he'll settle on him for the fourth spot. Now Sakurai also said he's not keen on cuts and while that doesn't mean Lucario is safe it may also give him a chance to stay if circumstances permit it. Gen 5 Pokémon are at a disadvantage here because they don't have that popularity that Mewtwo has to compete nor do they have seniority on Lucario (and popularity to some extent), it's not looking the best for them which is a shame since I'd love for it to get a character in.

 

[Deleted member]

Mewtwo's situation in Brawl's time does not match Lucario's current situation.

Lucario is still promoted. It was used in advertising of Black/White 2, was featured in an episode of the anime, and is one of the mascots for the Pokémon Smash! show on Sundays in Japan.
Mewtwo had very little promotion during Brawl's time outside the Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon special, made after Mewtwo was already decided as a low priority character.

EDIT: Of course, before someone reads what I said wrong, Mewtwo's situation now doesn't match Lucario's either.
Mewtwo is in a much better position at this point.

 

[PlatinumGamer64]

Lol @ Noah trying desperately to understand how things work.

Peacock, I don't blame you for opinions you can't understand, if you refuse to even attempt to understand them. (actually that is a reason to blame.)

 

[AEMehr]

Nice try.

What the hell is that suppose to mean? Did you think that I tried to make you sound stupid? You said Claus had no PSI abilities. But he does.

Of course they are the same person. When someone says Clause and NOT Masked Man that usually implies they are not talking about the masked man. People have done that before.

When did that become a thing? When people mention Claus or the Masked Man they normally mean the same being in whole. Regardless it's really just a name change and nothing to really nitpick about.

I love how you're only way to make somebody look bad is making something up or pretending to be ignorant enough not to notice something like giant print that says "Fantasy Roster" still loling bout that.

...what?
I don't seriously expect you to really believe that Baby Yoshi will be in Smash, but when I see somebody with a roster (Dream or not) with a Baby Yoshi, using the same artwork and style of roster as yours. I could easily tell it was you.
Because from what I know, you're the only person I know that make a roster of that style and would want Baby Yoshi as a playable character.

So if you thought I was calling you stupid when I pointed out who you were, I wasn't. I was just pointing out the facts.

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Also, you ignored my first question.

Why is Giygas a "Horrible" idea?

There we go with the closed mindedness again. Explain why Bowser being able to switch to Dry Bowser through Final Smash doesn't work.

Again, just because Dry Bowser isn't talked about on SmashBoards doesn't dismiss him from likeliness. Sometimes the characters that get in aren't always the obvious ones. A good speculator takes time to consider.

Nothing is wrong with him being a Final Smash, but honestly I would much rather have a different type of Final Smash for Bowser especially because he's going to act more like he does in the games.
I'd love to see him grow in size and smack the stage around from the background (Akin to basically every mainstream Mario game because he grows in size in every single game). Him essentially becoming a Boss that you can control.

 

[BluePikmin11]

There's no hope............

Reasonably likely characters or transformations are immediately crucified for not being preferred or considered. Horrible ideas are supported for recency. I'm not saying anybody on here is a noob, but Smash noobs ARE the majority of Smashfans. So I'm not surprised the rioting on Dry Bowser transformation is so great in number. I suppose if the majority agreed he's a GOOD than that would be mean he's a BAD idea.

I've given several good reasons and evidence, but few listen to reason. All I can do now is smile and pretend.

If specific people won't listen there is not point trying to sway those specific people.

I'm just going to respectfully state opinions on new subjects, and ignore ignorant rioting. I'll just have to be nice, even if I'm pretending.......
There's really not left to do on this site.

(P.S. I'm not permabanned)

We post here because we are hyped for Smash Bros. 4.
There's no reason to leave the site really, just discuss.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Mewtwo's situation in Brawl's time does not match Lucario's current situation.

Lucario is still promoted. It was used in advertising of Black/White 2, was featured in an episode of the anime, and is one of the mascots for the Pokémon Smash! show on Sundays in Japan.
Mewtwo had very little promotion during Brawl's time outside the Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon special, made after Mewtwo was already decided as a low priority character.

EDIT: Of course, before someone reads what I said wrong, Mewtwo's situation now doesn't match Lucario's either.
Mewtwo is in a much better position at this point.

I'm pretty sure Lucario even replaced Zoroark as the mascot of Pokemn Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm pretty sure Lucario even replaced Zoroark as the mascot of Pokemn Smash.

That it did.

Lucario was one of the mascots for Pokémon Sunday, the predecessor of Pokémon Smash!, made during the 4th Generation.
When it became Pokémon Smash!, it shifted to the 5th, and replaced Chimchar and Lucario with Oshawott and Zoroark.

Though Lucario re-replaced Zoroark shortly after.


EDIT: I'd say it would be safe to say that Lucario is close to overall mascot status for Pokémon. (Obviously, not Pikachu level, though. I mean in a similar level to the likes of Charizard.)

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Alright, now now. Let's not get our panties in a twist here.

In my opinion, Dry Bowser would be better off as an alternate costume, as he isn't really important to Bowser as a whole. There have been several games where Bowser has appeared without Dry Bowser coming up at any point, save for a few ( NSMB and Mario Kart Wii).

Other than that, I really have no comment other than if you don't like anyone on this site and are bored of coming here, then simply don't come here. It's not like you're forced to listen to what we have to say.

 

[Hotfeet444]

There's no hope............

Reasonably likely characters or transformations are immediately crucified for not being preferred or considered. Horrible ideas are supported for recency. I'm not saying anybody on here is a noob, but Smash noobs ARE the majority of Smashfans. So I'm not surprised the rioting on Dry Bowser transformation is so great in number. I suppose if the majority agreed he's a GOOD than that would be mean he's a BAD idea.

I've given several good reasons and evidence, but few listen to reason. All I can do now is smile and pretend.

If specific people won't listen there is not point trying to sway those specific people.

I'm just going to respectfully state opinions on new subjects, and ignore ignorant rioting. I'll just have to be nice, even if I'm pretending.......
There's really not left to do on this site.

(P.S. I'm not permabanned)

*Cricket Chirping*

Actually Lucario is still pretty popular, maybe not as much as he was in Generation 4 but he still has a very dedicated fanbase. Also, he's still pretty promoted even heading the B2W2 campaign.

As for Gen 5, I'm worried it's going to get the Gen 3 treatment that Brawl had. As said before Sakurai is not keen on equal representation of generations and with Mewtwo's demand along with a new form I think he'll settle on him for the fourth spot. Now Sakurai also said he's not keen on cuts and while that doesn't mean Lucario is safe it may also give him a chance to stay if circumstances permit it. Gen 5 Pokémon are at a disadvantage here because they don't have that popularity that Mewtwo has to compete nor do they have seniority on Lucario (and popularity to some extent), it's not looking the best for them which is a shame since I'd love for it to get a character in.

Well, I think the reason Gen 3 got skipped was more than people think it was. It was more along the lines of there not being any suitable fighters from the gen that were popular or relevant enough. Sure you had some cool pokemon like Zangoose and Absol, but they didn't come close to the popularity that some of the 4th and 5th gen pokemon now have. There's always the rumor of Plusle and Minun, but I think that's been debunked for the most part.

And also, we don't even know now as to how Sakurai is seeing the pokemon, all we know is that Pikachu is in and Mewtwo is getting consideration. He does however state that he does go to Game Freak and discuss this with them, and the movies are included in the discussions. If we're talking current movies that are coming out between now and Smash Bros' release, the two big pokemon are Mewtwo and Genesect as well as Sylveon being featured (Being the first actual 6th Gen pokemon to be featured in a movie, like Lucario and Zoroark before it) in a side movie. So, if we're going to go into serious discussion, the three biggest pokemon to be included are Mewtwo, Genesect and Sylveon. They're what's big right now and are probably the biggest contenders for places if this is what Sakurai is going after. Of course, this is all speculation and it's all up in the air as of now. Also, welcome to Smashboards, your avatar is amazing.

 

[PlatinumGamer64]

What the hell is that suppose to mean? Did you think that I tried to make you sound stupid? You said Claus had no PSI abilities. But he does.

When did that become a thing? When people mention Claus or the Masked Man they normally mean the same being in whole. Regardless it's really just a name change and nothing to really nitpick about.



...what?
I don't seriously expect you to really believe that Baby Yoshi will be in Smash, but when I see somebody with a roster (Dream or not) with a Baby Yoshi, using the same artwork and style of roster as yours.
I could easily tell it was you. Because from what I know, you're the only person I know that make a roster of that style and would want Baby Yoshi as a playable character.

So if you thought I was calling you stupid when I pointed out who you were, I wasn't. I was just pointing out the facts.

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Also, you ignored my first question.

Why is Giygas a "Horrible" idea?



Nothing is wrong with him being a Final Smash, but honestly I would much rather have a different type of Final Smash for Bowser especially because he's going to act more like he does in the games.
I'd love to see him grow in size and smack the stage around from the background. Him essentially becoming a Boss that you can control.

No, I thought you were claiming me to be stupid when you claimed I predicted a character I never predicted. (Also Dry Bowser is not an individual character nor is he THE final smash, he's the Zero Suit Samus of the Final Smash.) I also never attempted to conceal myself.

Giygas isn't a horrible idea. I mispoke. I doubt he is going to make it. (Others can learn from this open minded statement.) If we were going to get a villian (Which I don't think we will.) That it should be Masked Man. I think it should either be Ninten, Ness, & Lucas or just Ness & Lucas.

 

[Hotfeet444]

That it did.

Lucario was one of the mascots for Pokémon Sunday, the predecessor of Pokémon Smash!, made during the 4th Generation.
When it became Pokémon Smash!, it shifted to the 5th, and replaced Chimchar and Lucario with Oshawott and Zoroark.

Though Lucario re-replaced Zoroark shortly after.


EDIT: I'd say it would be safe to say that Lucario is close to overall mascot status for Pokémon. (Obviously, not Pikachu level, though. I mean in a similar level to the likes of Charizard.)

Wouldn't the closest overall mascot to Pokemon next to Pikachu be Eevee?

 

[Opossum]

Dry Bowser's being discussed?

Hmm, nah. He seems more like alternate costume material.

 

[Deleted member]

Wouldn't the closest overall mascot to Pokemon next to Pikachu be Eevee?

Unknown.
It's hard to determine which 'Mon comes right after Pikachu, but there are quite a few "mascot-worthy" Pokémon, in which Eevee is a part of.

 

[Shorts]

Charizard. Blastoise. Mewtwo. Pichu. Mew. Jigglypuff. ect.

 

[Opossum]

Unknown.
It's hard to determine which 'Mon comes right after Pikachu, but there are quite a few "mascot-worthy" Pokémon, in which Eevee is a part of.

I read this really quick, and I first thought that you were saying that Unown was the secondary Pokemon mascot.

 

[PlatinumGamer64]

Alright, now now. Let's not get our panties in a twist here.

In my opinion, Dry Bowser would be better off as an alternate costume, as he isn't really important to Bowser as a whole. There have been several games where Bowser has appeared without Dry Bowser coming up at any point, save for a few ( NSMB and Mario Kart Wii).

Other than that, I really have no comment other than if you don't like anyone on this site and are bored of coming here, then simply don't come here. It's not like you're forced to listen to what we have to say.

Thanks, dude. At least somebody just wants to ENJOY this site. Instead of all this rioting and Crucifixions. I'm trying to have an opinion/predictions outside the boundaries of what EVERYBODY is predicting. What fun is there predicting a character if EVERYONE else predicted it? At least Scoliosis Jones took time to consider everything he said in this post. I have no objections to this post at all (Word for Word). You are at least being reasonable. And that's why you're one of the rare speculators.

Literally everything in this post was all the debate had to be.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

No, I thought you were claiming me to be stupid when you claimed I predicted a character I never predicted. (Also Dry Bowser is not an individual character nor is he THE final smash, he's the Zero Suit Samus of the Final Smash.) I also never attempted to conceal myself.

Like I said earlier, Dry Bowser IS an individual character in Mario Kart Wii and Mario & Sonic, much like how Metal Mario became his own character in the first Smash Bros and later appeared as an individual character in Mario Kart 7.

Giygas isn't a horrible idea. I mispoke. I doubt he is going to make it. (Others can learn from this open minded statement.) If we were going to get a villian (Which I don't think we will.) That it should be Masked Man. I think it should either be Ninten, Ness, & Lucas or just Ness & Lucas.

Just wondering, why not Pokey/Porky Minch?

 

[Hotfeet444]

Unknown.
It's hard to determine which 'Mon comes right after Pikachu, but there are quite a few "mascot-worthy" Pokémon, in which Eevee is a part of.

Well, if you can pardon me, I do have a theory to that.

I'll use a recent crossover game, Pokemon Conquest. This game is a huge crossover between Pokemon and the tactical RPG Nobunanga's Ambition. The main character you play as in this huge crossover game needs a really iconic pokemon and pokemon that matters to the franchise. You'd think they'd give you Pikachu since it's the series mascot and the most iconic pokemon in the world. No...they give you an Eevee.

They wanted a pokemon that's likeable, that's iconic, and means alot to the franchise, and Eevee was their choice. I'd also like to point in that Eevee has been available in every gen since its release and that the Eevee family of Pokemon have been the main pokemon of more games than that of Pikachu. And it's of course a very iconic pokemon, in the anime it's seen as Pikachu's rival as Gary's Eevee, in Yellow it's your rival's ultimate pokemon, and all of its different evolution choices make it the most popular pokemon family in the series. It may not be the popular pokemon overall, but it's definitely up there. And up until Gen 5, it was this super-special pokemon that has always been a one-time a file thing, so it keeps this status for a good amount of time. Also, like Pikachu, it was one of the first pokemon to be confirmed to be catchable in Generation 6. Eevee may not be THE mascot of Pokemon, but I'd honestly say he's pretty close.

Edit: Didn't Eevee also rank higher than Pikachu in the Top 100 most popular pokemon list that IGN did? I wouldn't know since I kind of hate IGN for being the Nintendo hating asses that they are, but still.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Should we go to fun mode in this thread, or go to debate mode?

 

[FlareHabanero]

I read this really quick, and I first thought that you were saying that Unown was the secondary Pokemon mascot.

That would be a horrible idea in theory considering how terrible Unown is overall.

 

[Hippopotasauce]

Should we go to fun mode in this thread, or go to debate mode?

No fun allowed, this is Smash Bros after all.

 

[Opossum]

My god, that Eevee art is adorable.

That would be a horrible idea in theory considering how terrible Unown is overall.

I know, right? Terrible stats, and only one move. And that move is Hidden Power. Funny, because in theory, it only has, like, a 1/17 chance of even getting a STAB move...they're seriously only good for collecting, and even that's more like a chore.

 

[jaytalks]

I think for Pokemon, it's best to not look at it as Pokemon generational representation, but Nintendo era representations. Each Smash tends to reflect the previous Nintendo generation. Smash for the N64 had SNES characters like Ness, Captain Falcon, and Samus (who took her Super Metroid outfit). Melee's Zelda roster was all derived from OOT as well as many of the key stages. Brawl was Gamecube heavy, with characters like Ike (in his GC form) and Olimar joining the roster. Standouts from the GBA games like Wario (in his Wario Ware form) and Lucas also joined the roster.

Jigglypuff and Pikachu represent the GB era of pokemon in the original. Pichu represented the GBC era of pokemon in Melee. Lucario represented the GBA and early DS era in Brawl. I think Pokemon will get a new rep and it will reflect the previous era of the DS generation (meaning generation V or possibly a generation VI). Whether its generation V or Vi, that probably depends more on the input of Pokemon Company. Who gets cut I don't know, but I don't see Lucario or Pokemon Trainer as being immune, or even Mewtwo (awakened form) as a guarantee. Mewtwo is very likely and probable, but I could still see it not in the roster. And I can't see Pokemon Trainer becoming just Charizard as a character, as I dont think thats why Pokemon Trainer was added. I dont think they will keep Charizard to avoid backlash, it would place him above the other starters, which is why they went with Pokemon Trainer in the first place.

 

[mimgrim]

Predictions concerning both Pokemon and Fire Emblem, I always see as the hardest. Both franchises have hundreds of potential characters but only a fraction of those are realistic choices. Both have chequered histories with Smash Bros which causes even more debate.
No matter the result of what happens with these two franchises, it's going to be really interesting.

Except Fire Emblem doesn't have 100s of potential characters to chose from. There is no way in hell a character like Tharja or Mia would get in. Fire emblem in all reality only has a few potential characters for Smash games, Marth, Ike, Chrom/Lucina/Robin, Roy, Lyn, Micaiha, and Anna. You migh have noticed I left out lords such as Hector, Eliwood, Ephraim, Erika, Sigurd, Lief ect... and that is because compared to the other lords they just don't have as much of a chance. Ofc you noticed I also said Anna, that is because she is basically the mascot of FE along with Marth due to her appearing in all but 1 FE game. So yea Fire Emblem doesn't have has many potential characters as you think. :/

 

[zauberdragon]

My god, that Eevee art is adorable.




I know, right? Terrible stats, and only one move. And that move is Hidden Power. Funny, because in theory, it only has, like, a 1/17 chance of even getting a STAB move...they're seriously only good for collecting, and even that's more like a chore.

I finished reading that then a really vivid image of the new smash roster being every single different type of Unown. I don't know whether to laugh, cry, or close my laptop and silently crawl into bed and hide from the world.

 

[PlatinumGamer64]

Like I said earlier, Dry Bowser IS an individual character in Mario Kart Wii and Mario & Sonic, much like how Metal Mario became his own character in the first Smash Bros and later appeared as an individual character in Mario Kart 7.


Just wondering, why not Pokey/Porky Minch?

The point is he's appeared as BOTH individual AND the same. Dry Bowser is a very famous, important, and recurring transformation and I'm VERY certain he will be a form in SSB4. And although Wikis claim Dry Bowser to be a different entity, I don't believe Nintendo officially did. The only person I ever recall them claiming as a different entity was Metal Mario in Mario Kart 7 & SSB. But, that doesn't make "Metal Mario" permanently and always a separate entity. If the Metal Box appears in SSB4 and Mario gets it that wouldn't make him a different person. And Dr. Mario & Young Link were never considered separate entities either.

So this whole Dry Bowser being a seperate entity in 3 out of 6 games doesn't mean anything nor does it mean he CAN'T be the same entity in SSB4 through a transformation.

As for Porky. It could work, but it seems highly unlikely (to me at least) I think we will either get another protagonist or just keep it Ness & Lucas.

 

[Arcanir]

Well, I think the reason Gen 3 got skipped was more than people think it was. It was more along the lines of there not being any suitable fighters from the gen that were popular or relevant enough. Sure you had some cool pokemon like Zangoose and Absol, but they didn't come close to the popularity that some of the 4th and 5th gen pokemon now have. There's always the rumor of Plusle and Minun, but I think that's been debunked for the most part.

And also, we don't even know now as to how Sakurai is seeing the pokemon, all we know is that Pikachu is in and Mewtwo is getting consideration. He does however state that he does go to Game Freak and discuss this with them, and the movies are included in the discussions. If we're talking current movies that are coming out between now and Smash Bros' release, the two big pokemon are Mewtwo and Genesect as well as Sylveon being featured (Being the first actual 6th Gen pokemon to be featured in a movie, like Lucario and Zoroark before it) in a side movie. So, if we're going to go into serious discussion, the three biggest pokemon to be included are Mewtwo, Genesect and Sylveon. They're what's big right now and are probably the biggest contenders for places if this is what Sakurai is going after. Of course, this is all speculation and it's all up in the air as of now. Also, welcome to Smashboards, your avatar is amazing.

True, Gen 3 didn't have that standout Pokémon (though they did try with Plusle/Minum). In that case it was probably easier to overlook Gen 3 then it would be Gen 5.

That's also true, though I will say that the promotion angle is also a part of the reason why I think Lucario is still a contender. GF did promote him during the B2W2 campaign (along with still being a part of Smash's Pokémon lineup and the like) which while it isn't a movie does give him a leg up since then they still see him as a popular Pokémon for fans. Now of course if Genesect or Sylveon manages to secure a really prominent spot in popularity among fans then that's in jeopardy especially with Mewtwo in consideration but that's getting into theory and prediction of course.

Also, thanks.

 

[kikaru]

considering how terrible Unown is overall.

My buddy RapeTime here would like to have a word with you.

Spoiler

 

[zauberdragon]

Except Fire Emblem doesn't have 100s of potential characters to chose from. There is no way in hell a character like Tharja or Mia would get in. Fire emblem in all reality only has a few potential characters for Smash games, Marth, Ike, Chrom/Lucina/Robin, Roy, Lyn, Micaiha, and Anna. You migh have noticed I left out lords such as Hector, Eliwood, Ephraim, Erika, Sigurd, Lief ect... and that is because compared to the other lords they just don't have as much of a chance. Ofc you noticed I also said Anna, that is because she is basically the mascot of FE along with Marth due to her appearing in all but 1 FE game. So yea Fire Emblem doesn't have has many potential characters as you think. :/

Well as I say, both have many potential characters with only a handful of realistic choices. There's plenty of Fire Emblem characters but the chances are you need to be a Lord, and a popular one at that, to make it into Smash.

My point was both pokemon and Fire Emblem have hundreds of characters with unique designs and back stories but there's a huge degree of variation in popularity and relevance.

In theory both Tharja and Weepingbell could make into the next smash but they're not going to. However at the upper end of the scale it's difficult to pinpoint exactly how relevant and important characters are. When I say a handful of realistic choices I'm talking maybe 2% of the overall characters of those games.