Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[8-peacock-8]

Lol @ Noah trying desperately to understand how things work.

 

[PlatinumGamer64]

The question is...who the hell would bother giving reasons against Dry Bowser when the reasons are pretty obvious.

#1: Dry Bowser is an obscure character who is so far behind in Mario series reps
#2: A simple skin change does not make him a different character, it's like giving King Dedede a seperate character for Masked Dedede because he looks slightly different while being the same person.
#3: We have Normal Bowser, the form of Bowser that actually matters.
#4: Dry Bowser is just a blatantly stupid idea.

This argument is over, throw it in the trash where it belongs.

Hahah Yeah, nice try. before I continue DRY BOWSER IS NOT A SEPERATE CHARACTER. That's like the 4th time I had to say that. Who would assume that Dry Bowser would be an individual character????

#1: Dry Bowser is NOT obscure. he was in NSMB, NSMB2, Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart Wii, and Mario Tennis Open. WHAT are you talking about???????

#2: DRY BOWSER IS NOT A SEPARATE CHARACTER.

 

[Reznor]

Hahah Yeah, nice try. before I continue DRY BOWSER IS NOT A SEPERATE CHARACTER. That's like the 4th time I had to say that. Who would assume that Dry Bowser would be an individual character????

#1: Dry Bowser is NOT obscure. he was in NSMB, NSMB2, Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart Wii, and Mario Tennis Open. WHAT are you talking about???????

#2: DRY BOWSER IS NOT A SEPARATE CHARACTER.

but google says they are the same

 

[mimgrim]

Well research shows he became Dry Bowser in NSMB, NSMB2, and also 3D Land.

Also if Dry Bowser is just a change in looks............what's wrong with that??? Are you seriously saying it would eat up development time just to give him a different skin (or rather no skin ) ? Also Dry Bowser (if just a change in looks) would not count as part of the roster either.

Not to mention if THAT'S a problem, he can have his own moves. So he'd work either way.

So really there is no problem with Dry Bowser at all.

It doesn't take up development time.
If it's considered pointless he can be given his own moveset. Which still wouldn't take up that much development time.

So I honestly see nothing wrong with Dry Bowser. But, oh it's not Ridley, Little Mac, or Palutena so it's not gonna happen.

Well, excuse me for trying to predict something other than what EVERYBODY predicts. Seriously even the the slightest step outside of the "Obvious predictions" box results in people having a problem, regardless of how reasonable or realistic the prediction is.



And yet you give no reasons, or at least valid ones.

Except Dry Bowser isn't realistic outside of a alternate costume. He would literally play exactly like bowser. Also what gives him better chances then say, Bowser JR., Waluigi, King, or even Daisy or Roselina?There is nothig different between Dry Bowser and Bowser other then apperance. Aside from a possible alt costume there is no reaslistic reason why Dry Bowser would ever get in over other Mario characters. Toad even has a better chance. .-.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Can you just state Dry Bowser would be a new final smash. You're confusing everyone.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Gen 5 is old news Gen 6 will have really big and popular pokemon to choose from for fighters, and they'd all represent a new fighting style we haven't seen before. and frankly... who woudln't want to play as (insert 3 gen 6 pokemon that we don't know about yet)

Genesect would be awesome though

The only other Pokemon I'd like to play as from 6th Gen, aside from Awakened Mewtwo, is Sylveon.

I mean seriously, aside from being absolutely adorable and one of the best designed Eeveelutions, Sylveon is one of those early-release Pokemon that has made its mark on Pokemon fans like Lucario and Zoroark before it. Not to mention that unlike Jigglypuff, Sylveon's a pokemon who would be solely based on Fairy type moves...and frankly...the Eevee family has kind of been shafted in terms of being represented in Smash Bros. I'll also add that its bows would allow for combat while still be a quadruped. ....I wanna play as a Sylveon now.

 

[Deleted member]

@Noah
It doesn't ****ing matter if he isn't an "individual character", you stupid cuntmonger.
A transformation takes development time and roster space regardless.

Zero Suit Samus, Sheik, and all three of Pokémon Trainer's Pokémon count individually as characters despite being part of a single character slots.
Dry Bowser would be no ****ing different no matter what pathetically rancid dribble of an excuse you can struggle to think of out of your ass.

 

[FalKoopa]

Shulk weeps silently in a corner.

I don't really think his chances are that high. I'll add him in if Xenoblade is confirmed to be related to X.

I like your drawing. But, don't you worry this roster is a bit too generic?

Nah.

Toad has lost his luster, if they were going to add him, they would have done it already. We don't need more characters from the Toon series, since that trio of games seems to already be over. I'm unsure on Isaac, I personally think Shulk may have a better chance, NO ROY...as part of the main game, and we're already unsure on the fate of Pac-Man. And my God, the Wii Fit Trainer looks depressed.

1. Toad has been making a lot of playable appearances lately. (NSMB series and the newly announced SM3D world.) I find him likely
2. Sakurai had considered adding Toon Zelda in Brawl and now we have WW HD coming up, so think Tetra/Toon Zelda has a good chance.
3. I find Isaac more likely than Shulk. He was already an AT in Brawl, and he also has 3 games under his belt, and is much more requested than Shulk.
4. You can swap Roy for Chrom if you want. I think they are equally likely, so I added Roy just due to personal preference, and I wanted to limit FE at 3 reps.
5. Wii-Fit Trainer is depressed because of how she was initially received.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Hahah Yeah, nice try. before I continue DRY BOWSER IS NOT A SEPERATE CHARACTER. That's like the 4th time I had to say that. Who would assume that Dry Bowser would be an individual character????

#1: Dry Bowser is NOT obscure. he was in NSMB, NSMB2, Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart Wii, and Mario Tennis Open. WHAT are you talking about???????

#2: DRY BOWSER IS NOT A SEPARATE CHARACTER.

Compared to Toad, Bowser Jr.,Paper Mario, hell...even to Rosalina and Waluigi, Dry Bowser is as obscure as they come.

So just stop, this is a waste of time. You're not convincing anybody and, frankly, are wasting comment space.

 

[kikaru]

I think perhaps our definitions of 'characters' are different. Sakurai considered Dr. Mario and Mario different characters although one was basically a skin of the other with a slightly altered moveset, and they were both some form of Mario. He also considers ZSS and Samus to be different characters even though the person under the suit is still Samus. Even Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard are considered separate characters even though th

But by giving a character a different playstyle, attacks, etc. Sakurai seems to consider them as different playable characters even though the person may still be the same.

Having Dry Bowser become a skin isn't that big of a deal but I could've sworn there was an interview that Sakurai mentioned something along the lines of, 'Costumes take away from the character.' or something like that. And in the universe of Smash Giga Bowser is much more iconic than Dry Bowser, even though Dry Bowser has seen multiple appearances, it would make more sense to keep Giga Bowser especially if they still have his assets from Brawl.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Toon Zelda? I think she would really get in the way for other characters.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Oh, while I'm here. Here's my roster. Criticisms and comments please!

Notes:
1. Zelda includes Sheik
2. Tetra includes Toon Zelda
3. Samus includes ZSS
4. Made in GIMP
5. Yes, I almost wasted a whole day drawing this.

1. Props for using an original art style.
2. All four guests would be so amazing.
3. Wii Fit Trainer is starting to become the new Negative Man.

 

[Starbound]

you guys think we will get Dixie Kong or King K. Rool?
or both

Would not mind to see both, but I think King K. Rool wins out in the end.

Would Dry Bowser best represent the Mario series? I think Toad.

While Toad does have a lot going for him, I do think Bowser Jr. fits with the rest of the Mario characters.

Bowser Jr's credentials include:
- The main villain in Super Mario Sunshine (he's the one who frames Mario and kidnaps Peach. Bowser never shows up until the final battle. The game could not have Bowser in it and nothing would be lost)
- The main villain of New Super Mario Bros. (he kidnaps Peach again. It's worth noting that it's possible for him to be the main antagonist too, because Bowser "dies" after the first castle.)
- Secondary antagonist in both Mario Galaxy games
- The main villain of New Super Mario Bros. Wii (he kidnaps Peach again. He's also fought the most times in the game, with three fights.)
- Secondary antagonist in New Super Mario Bros. U (again, he's fought the most times)
- Secondary antagonist in Paper Mario: Sticker Star, should this count as a main Mario game (he's got three boss battles, the same as Kamek)
- Playable in 14 spinoffs
- Secondary antagonist in a few spin-offs, including Mario Sluggers, the Olympic games, and Mario Party DS.

He's only been around for 12 years, but he's really made a name for himself.

If we compare this to Toad:
- Protagonist in Super Mario Bros. 2
- Protagonist in Super Mario 3D World
- Main Protagonist in Wario's Woods
- Playable in 17 spinoffs (I think I counted this right)
- Supporting character in... pretty much every game except for New Super Mario Bros.

Both have really good resumes, but I do have to give the pass to Bowser Jr., because he does more than stand around in like 70% of his appearances.

 

[Curious Villager]

5. Wii-Fit Trainer is depressed because of how she was initially received.

But she was received with lots of love.... and rule 34....

On second thoughts. I guess it's understandable why she looks so depressed.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

My Very First Roster. What do you guys think.
Yes, there are 5 FE reps, I couldn't help myself.
Also, since this is my first roster tell me if I missed anybody that would be a facepalm if I forgot.

 

[Hotfeet444]

My Very First Roster. What do you guys think.
Yes, there are 5 FE reps, I couldn't help myself.
Also, since this is my first roster tell me if I missed anybody that would be a facepalm if I forgot.

More Zelda and Pokemon than Mario, Four Reps for DK is a little much, WAY over the limit with FE, a new rep for F-Zero and Starfox is not necessary, Having Toon Zelda without Toon Link is odd, and everything else is fine.

 

[Reznor]

My Very First Roster. What do you guys think.
Yes, there are 5 FE reps, I couldn't help myself.
Also, since this is my first roster tell me if I missed anybody that would be a facepalm if I forgot.

FE and Zelda gets 5 reps and Mario only gets 4

 

[BluePikmin11]

If the representation is that ridiculous, why didn't you add Hades?

 

[FalKoopa]

FalKoopa, if you make a Genesect picture in that style, I'd gladly wear it as my avatar.

Lol. I'll do it tomorrow. Kinda tired now.

 

[Silverjay323]

While we're on the topic of considering new characters, I've recently come to an realization of some sort. Looking back on Sakurai's whiteboard drawing, I noticed that the only Mother representation we got was a Mr. Saturn, which got me thinking....What if Mr. Saturn was a playable character?! I've already come up with the ideal moveset:

Neutral B(Do you want to sell things at me?) In similar fashion to Kirby's Pikmin throw and Mr G&W's neutral special except with faster firing speed. Saturn throws a variety of objects native to Mother. Pendants, Ribbons etc. Also has a chance of throwing items like Peach and DDD. 4-3% each hit.

Up B(Birdie Cage) Mr. Saturn calls the Bird cage from Mother 3 and uses it to rise back to the stage. The cage semi spikes opponents with decent knockback. Leaves Saturn in a free falling position in likeness to Sonic. 10-14%

Side B(Zoom Zoom) A move pretty similar to Pikachu's and Jigglypuff's side B except it can be cancelled, in similarity to Sonic, by shielding or using any other special move. Can't be charged, always launches at moderate speed,(Lucas' PK Thunder 2) And has a large amount of knockback(Ness' PK Thunder 2) Leaves Saturn in helpless state afterwards if used in mid-air. 27-40%

Down B(Coffee Break) Mr.Saturn sits down and has a cup of coffee. Recovers 4-6% per second.

F-Smash(Ladder) Up to 5 Mr.Saturns gather during charge and collapse down on opponents with great force. Good priority. High knockback. 30-36%

U-Smash(Boing Ribbon) Shoots its ribbon/antennae directly upwards. Extremely poor range, be this attack can be sweet spotted in similarity to Peach causing high knockback.

D-Smash: Mr. Saturn uses its whiskers to slice at the ground. Fairly weak. Very fast. Covers both sides. Good for building damage. Can chain into itself at lower percents. 9-12%

Dash Attack: Mr. Saturn falls, slidin his nose forward. 7-11% Very slow and extremely high ending lag.

F-Tilt: Mr. Saturn shoves his nose out at opponents. 8-10% Poor range, low knockback

U-Tilt: Mr. Saturn lies down on its back and shoves its nose upward. 10-11% Poor range, low knockback. (The U and F tilts can effectively chain into each other well into high percents)

D-Tilt: Mr.Saturn crouches and uses his nose to push forward. 12-15% Can be used to pseudo crawl, reflects projectiles similar to Bowser, decent knockback.

Grab: Mr. Saturn Inexplicably manages to hold his opponent in place. Poor range. Very laggy dash grab

Pummel: Mr. Saturn pummels the opponent with his nose. 2-3% Very slow.

F-Throw: Mr. Saturn uses his nose to shove the opponent at an angle.

U-Throw: Mr. Saturn quickly uses his ribbon to throw the opponent directly upwards. Can Star KO lighter opponents at around 94-100%

D-Throw: Mr. Saturn slams the opponent into the ground. Can chain grab in a manner similar to Falco.

Final Smash(Phase Distorter) Sucks all opponents on screen inwards, much like Kirby and ZSS, but with much greater range and knockback, damages opponents repeatedly and launches foes Horizontally to the edge of the screen with very high knockback. 40-62%

 

[Fire Emblemier]

More Zelda and Pokemon than Mario, Four Reps for DK is a little much, WAY over the limit with FE, a new rep for F-Zero and Starfox is not necessary, Having Toon Zelda without Toon Link is odd, and everything else is fine.

FE and Zelda gets 5 reps and Mario only gets 4

Like I said before, I'm might have forgotten key character's I'll add Bowser Jr. for Mario and edit other stuff.

 

[FalKoopa]

My Very First Roster. What do you guys think.
Yes, there are 5 FE reps, I couldn't help myself.
Also, since this is my first roster tell me if I missed anybody that would be a facepalm if I forgot.

Let's see.
1. FE won't get 5 reps. Lyn is the least likely among them, as much as it pains me to say that.
2. Mother getting another character is unlikely.
3. Mario should get another rep, especially if you can give 5 reps to FE.
4. StarFox getting another rep seems unlikely, but it can happen.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I think Chrom stands out as the next FE rep, most of Awakening's story revolved around a lot on Chrom. I would switch Lucina with Chrom.

 

[Gune]

Lucario is old news. Gen 5 has three really big and popular pokemon to choose from for fighters, and they'd all represent a new fighting style we haven't seen before. And frankly...who wouldn't want to play as a Zoroark, a Genesect, or a Victini? Zoroark's my favorite of the three, but I'd personally like to play as Genesect more.

To be fair when gen 6 comes out Genesect, Zoroark, and Victini will all be old news really so while that help's your argument some it does hurt it, also I beg to differ about Lucario being old news Gamefreak apparently doesent see it that way or else they would have dropped him already I think the fact his generation has been over for about 3-4 year's now and gamefreak still uses him till this day for promotions and advertisements says he has a pretty bright future and his popularity is still astonishingly high.
Though Genesect would be completely awesome! I like his design and im also a sucker for steel types...

 

[Hotfeet444]

Character Roster

Total Characters: 47

Newcomers: Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Ghirahim, Classic Link, Ridley, Mewtwo, Sylveon, Chrom, Takamaru, Little Mac, Villager, Shulk, Palutena, Wii Fit Trainer, MegaMan (15 newcomers)

Cut: Toon Link, Ike, Lucario

I couldn't resist okay?

 

[Sebz]

Character Roster

Total Characters: 47

Newcomers: Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Ghirahim, Classic Link, Ridley, Mewtwo, Sylveon, Chrom, Takamaru, Little Mac, Villager, Shulk, Palutena, Wii Fit Trainer, MegaMan (15 newcomers)

Cut: Toon Link, Ike, Lucario

I couldn't resist okay?

Sylveon+Jigglypuff= Dragon Slaying Squad

Poor old Ridley's gonna be humiliated by a puff ball and a pink dog with a bow tie. Ay ay ay.

 

[Gune]

While we're on the topic of considering new characters, I've recently come to an realization of some sort. Looking back on Sakurai's whiteboard drawing, I noticed that the only Mother representation we got was a Mr. Saturn, which got me thinking....What if Mr. Saturn was a playable character?! I've already come up with the ideal moveset:

Neutral B(Do you want to sell things at me?) In similar fashion to Kirby's Pikmin throw and Mr G&W's neutral special except with faster firing speed. Saturn throws a variety of objects native to Mother. Pendants, Ribbons etc. Also has a chance of throwing items like Peach and DDD. 4-3% each hit.

Up B(Birdie Cage) Mr. Saturn calls the Bird cage from Mother 3 and uses it to rise back to the stage. The cage semi spikes opponents with decent knockback. Leaves Saturn in a free falling position in likeness to Sonic. 10-14%

Side B(Zoom Zoom) A move pretty similar to Pikachu's and Jigglypuff's side B except it can be cancelled, in similarity to Sonic, by shielding or using any other special move. Can't be charged, always launches at moderate speed,(Lucas' PK Thunder 2) And has a large amount of knockback(Ness' PK Thunder 2) Leaves Saturn in helpless state afterwards if used in mid-air. 27-40%

Down B(Coffee Break) Mr.Saturn sits down and has a cup of coffee. Recovers 4-6% per second.

F-Smash(Ladder) Up to 5 Mr.Saturns gather during charge and collapse down on opponents with great force. Good priority. High knockback. 30-36%

U-Smash(Boing Ribbon) Shoots its ribbon/antennae directly upwards. Extremely poor range, be this attack can be sweet spotted in similarity to Peach causing high knockback.

D-Smash: Mr. Saturn uses its whiskers to slice at the ground. Fairly weak. Very fast. Covers both sides. Good for building damage. Can chain into itself at lower percents. 9-12%

Dash Attack: Mr. Saturn falls, slidin his nose forward. 7-11% Very slow and extremely high ending lag.

F-Tilt: Mr. Saturn shoves his nose out at opponents. 8-10% Poor range, low knockback

U-Tilt: Mr. Saturn lies down on its back and shoves its nose upward. 10-11% Poor range, low knockback. (The U and F tilts can effectively chain into each other well into high percents)

D-Tilt: Mr.Saturn crouches and uses his nose to push forward. 12-15% Can be used to pseudo crawl, reflects projectiles similar to Bowser, decent knockback.

Grab: Mr. Saturn Inexplicably manages to hold his opponent in place. Poor range. Very laggy dash grab

Pummel: Mr. Saturn pummels the opponent with his nose. 2-3% Very slow.

F-Throw: Mr. Saturn uses his nose to shove the opponent at an angle.

U-Throw: Mr. Saturn quickly uses his ribbon to throw the opponent directly upwards. Can Star KO lighter opponents at around 94-100%

D-Throw: Mr. Saturn slams the opponent into the ground. Can chain grab in a manner similar to Falco.

Final Smash(Phase Distorter) Sucks all opponents on screen inwards, much like Kirby and ZSS, but with much greater range and knockback, damages opponents repeatedly and launches foes Horizontally to the edge of the screen with very high knockback. 40-62%

I approve of this Mr.Saturn for top tier!

 

[FalKoopa]

Let's see.

1. Sylveon is a rather random pick, honestly. Lucario remaining is much better.
2. I'm very doubtful on Ghirahim. He just screams "SSB4 Zant/Midna" and we know how that turned out.
3. Please don't cut Ike.

The rest is fine by me.

 

[Gune]

Double post

 

[BluePikmin11]

Ike should be back there for FE's popularity.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Character Roster

Total Characters: 47

Newcomers: Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Ghirahim, Classic Link, Ridley, Mewtwo, Sylveon, Chrom, Takamaru, Little Mac, Villager, Shulk, Palutena, Wii Fit Trainer, MegaMan (15 newcomers)

Cut: Toon Link, Ike, Lucario

I couldn't resist okay?

Seems pretty good. There are a few things I disagree about it though.
-Zelda and Impa seems a little odd, especially when both deserve their unique slot.
-Long story short, there are better Zelda characters than Ghirihem
-I'm iffy on child link
-I don't really see how Sylveon would work in Smash
-FE can hold 3 characters so I would suggest adding back Ike
Other than that I like it.

 

[Deleted member]

Character Roster

Total Characters: 47

Newcomers: Bowser Jr., King K.Rool, Ghirahim, Classic Link, Ridley, Mewtwo, Sylveon, Chrom, Takamaru, Little Mac, Villager, Shulk, Palutena, Wii Fit Trainer, MegaMan (15 newcomers)

Cut: Toon Link, Ike, Lucario

I couldn't resist okay?

What is that Mewtwo image from?

 

[Hotfeet444]

Let's see.

1. Sylveon is a rather random pick, honestly. Lucario remaining is much better.
2. I'm very doubtful on Ghirahim. He just screams "SSB4 Zant/Midna" and we know how that turned out.
3. Please don't cut Ike.

The rest is fine by me.

1. Everyone is entitled their own opinion, but I'm not sure about Sylveon being a random selection. It's a Pokemon that alot of people like, it's the first pokemon revealed that was a fairy type, and it represents one of the most popular families of pokemon (The Eevee family). I also kind of seeing it being like the Lucario/Zoroark of this gen, AKA the early-released Pokemon that People really like and used by alot of people when the game comes out. Also, some would say it's Mewtwo's new forme, and I kind of agree, but it's still the same pokemon in the end so it can't really count. I still love the new forme though.

2.) I'm doubtful to, I really am, but Ghirahim is the character people really want to come back somehow since he is a really liked and popular character. I can't think of a single Zelda character that gained as much as much popularity as Ghirahim has so quickly. But hey, it's all up to chance.

3.) I was thinking about that, and I may reverse that in the next roster I do. If they return Ike, they've got to knock down his armor frame count, it's way too damn high.

 

[Starbound]

Sylveon seems like an interesting enough choice that it could really work.

Those ribbons could act like arms when it comes to grabbing items, much like Ivysaur's vines.

 

[Hotfeet444]

What is that Mewtwo image from?

I am actually not sure, I saw the icon custom-made by someone on a forum about a month ago, and I really liked the art, but I had no idea what it's even from. I think it may be a custom 3D model made by someone, I'm honestly not sure.

Sylveon seems like an interesting enough choice that it could really work.

Those ribbons could act like arms when it comes to grabbing items, much like Ivysaur's vines.

I was actually thinking the same thing too, using Ivysaur as a key example. I would do a video design on Sylveon, but I need to know more about the variation in Fairy moves first. Moon-Blast would probably be a Standard B or be super-powerful for a Final Smash.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Since Jigglypuff and Slveon are fairy types, do you think it's possible Jigglypuff could be cut for Slveon?
Also if that was the case, these could be the next reps for Pokemon.
-Pikachu
-Slveon
-Zoroark
-Pokemon Trainer

 

[Starbound]

Moonblast could be a final smash. Fairy Wind is another move that Sylveon gets. Could be a side special.

 

[Autumn ♫]

3.) I was thinking about that, and I may reverse that in the next roster I do. If they return Ike, they've got to knock down his armor frame count, it's way too damn high.

 

[FalKoopa]

Since Jigglypuff and Slveon are fairy types, do you think it's possible Jigglypuff could be cut for Slveon?

I don't expect it in the slightest. A three-time veteran should not be cut. Also, Jigglypuff as a character is easy to program.

 

[Reznor]

Since Jigglypuff and Slveon are fairy types, do you think it's possible Jigglypuff could be cut for Slveon?
Also if that was the case, these could be the next reps for Pokemon.
-Pikachu
-Slveon
-Zoroark
-Pokemon Trainer

Zoroark is old news man its all about gen 6 pokemon now