Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Swift Fox]

5 slots is more likely than having 4 again for the big 3 in SSB4.

 

[jaytalks]

That was very beautiful, jaytalks. I actually felt something warm inside reading that. I could almost hear a motivating fanfare playing in the back of my mind picturing those trials and hardships. I never really considered retro in that type of depth, but it's an excellent point. Thank you for showing me that.

#RealTalk

All that said, do you think Sakurai adds retro characters simply because he can, or do his retro picks have more depth to them than just "This one. I want to see this one get revived."? Does he have to add retro characters because he actually enjoys them, or does he feel as if he needs to as some sort of justice for their history? What constitutes being retro: being a pre-N64-only character, or having the qualities jaytalks mentioned? All this and more, I wish could be answered. If only interviewers could ask such for such deep insight in Sakurai.

I believe Little Mac is retro for the reasons listed above. In that sense, as much as I'd welcome the revival of characters like Takamaru and Lip, I don't see them as truly necessary in being in the roster for any retro role to be fulfilled. Both Mega Man and Little Mac would do that nicely themselves.

On a more pivotal topic that I relate all this back to, say we only had 4 character slots max per series. Pokemon, on the other hand, has Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokemon Trainer, Lucario, and Mewtwo in this case, bringing their amount to 5. Which would be the lesser evil in this situation?

• Cut Lucario, bringing the amount to four like Mario and Zelda, but removing a brawl veteran for that reason only.
• Keep Lucario, letting the Pokemon series have the entire spectrum of representation it wants, but making it look bloated otherwise.

thanks for the kind words.

I think retro revivals are have about representing something history, and the other half about bringing a character to the present. So in that sense, it feels like more of some sort of corrective justice to their history. But I'm sure he enjoys them as well. Creatively, I imagine they are quite a challenge. But Pit was such a rousing success in Brawl (what it did to the character, reviving his old franchise).

Cut Lucario. It's just a prediction, and I think cuts are going to be less this time around but will still happen. You don't bring yourself to the brink of death for a cut and not pursue it. Although for me, most rosters are still too Gen 1 heavy. Mewtwo being only in his awakened form would smooth that over, but I still don't think that will be enough. But that's just me personally.

The Mario series reps are Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser. Donkey Kong & Diddy Kong, Wario, and Yoshi all inhabit that universe as well, but their series are so distant from Mario that they really aren't connected. And they all inhabit really different parts, as Yoshi's Island takes place way before everything (Baby Mario), DK lives in a place where bananas are the currency, and the Wario Ware series takes place in the real world, with Wario selling his microgames to that real world's public. Each of them carry their own multi-million selling franchises, and have their own icons to represent that. It's like the Marvel Cinematic Universe. All the films take place in the same universe but that doesn't make Iron Man a part of the Thor series.

 

[FourStar]

King K. Rool, Ridley, Palutena, Villager, Isaac, Little Mac, Wii Fit Trainer, and Mega Man... 8 newcomers, not even counting Mewtwo as a ninth. Gotcha covered bro. Doesn't look like a third FE character is necessary by the whole 7-9 logic.

whoops. didn't count wii fit trainer. but still at this point i think FE will get another rep over over Kid Icarus. FE just has more popularity and Kid Icarus just recently got revived

 

[Swift Fox]

Not sure how likely will Lucario go but I like the way you mentioned that it'd be too 1st gen heavy when the 4th gen pokemon was gone.

There are two pokemons in the forbidden 7 so that sums up to 6 reps for the pokemon series for Brawl, for sure it will balance pokemon out of the big 3. The first obvious pokemon from forbidden 7 is Mewtwo, another one is "Pra_mia" which believed to be Pichu or Plusle+Minun those of who are from another gen. 4 Mario, 6 pokemon, 4 Link wouldn't look very balanced when Mewtwo/Pichu was actually returning for the Brawl.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Not sure how likely will Lucario go but I like the way you mentioned that it'd be too 1st gen heavy when the 4th gen pokemon was gone.

There are two pokemons in the forbidden 7 so that sums up to 6 reps for the pokemon series for Brawl, for sure it will balance pokemon out of the big 3. The first obvious pokemon from forbidden 7 is Mewtwo, another one is "Pra_mia" which believed to be Pichu or Plusle+Minun those of who are from another gen. 4 Mario, 6 pokemon, 4 Link wouldn't look very balanced when Mewtwo/Pichu was actually returning for the SSB4.

I don't think that Pra_Mai was Plusle and Minum because if it were they would have 2 different slots like Nana and Popo do.

 

[Deleted member]

Pra_Mai is unlikely to be Plusle & Minun.

Signs point towards a possible custom character, given that the "translation" people use to say it's the Random Box ("each player") can also mean "my player".

Given that Sakurai mentioned that Smash 4 would have customization in the 3DS version that can be transferred to the Wii U version, it's likely that this feature was initially planned to be incorporated into Brawl somehow (perhaps an original idea for SSE was for there to be a custom character as the main "star" so to speak? Though that's just speculation on my part.).

 

[Hotfeet444]

Let's just clarify, at this point, Jigglypuff is actually at a bigger risk at being cut then Lucario.

Original 12 BS doesn't exactly excuse the fact that Jigglypuff has the stigma of having low priority, and characters that don't have priority are generally the ones most at risk if development time isn't available.

I highly doubt she's that low, especially since she's one of the easiest characters to implement into the game. Not to mention there's no way in hell we're going to have a character who has been implemented in every single title in the series, I'm sure Sakurai knows that the original 20 (Smash 64 12 + 8 Melee newcomers) are the biggest priority for this game. And Lucario has priority? That's news to me.

 

[PlatinumGamer64]

I dunno, I wasn't around for the specifics, but he always argued with people for or against characters. Mainly unlikable and very close-minded.

Isn't debating characters what this thread is about?

I hardly think realizing how embarrassingly stupid it is to have a recolor of someone as a separate character is "closed minded"

You know what's closed minded, denying characters for the sole reason of recency. Let's all strip characters from their stardom and impact. In fact why don't we just pretend they didn't even exist. That's just ignorant.

It's "Nintendo All-Stars" not "Nintendo's Latest Hits"

The reason I'm one of the few open minded one is because I can predict characters others don't take a second to consider while staying with the bounds of realism.

Why IS Giygas a horrible idea? Could you try to elaborate?
...Do you even know who Claus is? Claus IS the Masked Man /spoilerforgamethathasbeenoutforyears.
You should at LEAST do some research on some of the existing franchises in Smash.

Nice try. Of course they are the same person. When someone says Clause and NOT Masked Man that usually implies they are not talking about the masked man. People have done that before. I love how you're only way to make somebody look bad is making something up or pretending to be ignorant enough not to notice something like giant print that says "Fantasy Roster" still loling bout that.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Not sure how likely will Lucario go but I like the way you mentioned that it'd be too 1st gen heavy when the 4th gen pokemon was gone.

There are two pokemons in the forbidden 7 so that sums up to 6 reps for the pokemon series for Brawl, for sure it will balance pokemon out of the big 3. The first obvious pokemon from forbidden 7 is Mewtwo, another one is "Pra_mia" which believed to be Pichu or Plusle+Minun those of who are from another gen. 4 Mario, 6 pokemon, 4 Link wouldn't look very balanced when Mewtwo/Pichu was actually returning for the Brawl.

Look, it's not about the Gen 1 being heavily represented, it's about the Pokemon that represent Pokemon overall as a whole. If it were really repping Gen 1, Pikachu would still be fat and not thinned out like he is in recent gens. It's more than just repping Gen 1. And Pra_Mai is not Plusle and Minun, it's a random space. And you obviously forgot that Dr. Mario was planned at one point and so was a Toon Zelda/Sheik, so they'd all have five...therefore it was even.

 

[PlatinumGamer64]

Who's Noah?

Yeah, ignore him. Otherwise he might try predict a character most don't think about. Or worse, he might doubt a requested character.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Look, it's not about the Gen 1 being heavily represented, it's about the Pokemon that represent Pokemon overall as a whole. If it were really repping Gen 1, Pikachu would still be fat and not thinned out like he is in recent gens. It's more than just repping Gen 1. And Pra_Mai is not Plusle and Minun, it's a random space. And you obviously forgot that Dr. Mario was planned at one point and so was a Toon Zelda/Sheik, so they'd all have five...therefore it was even.

Very true. But, to be honest, Generation 1 seems to be repping Pokemon as a whole as far as characters go for a very good reason: popularity. People can argue all they want, but Gen 1 is the most known and most popular, so that's why we''re getting so many Gen 1 reps. I believe Sakurai doesn't care for equal generation representation (I'm sure the Pokemon Company does, though).

 

[Hotfeet444]

Very true. And, to be honest, Generation 1 is what really represents Pokemon as a whole. People can argue all they want, but Gen 1 is the most known and most popular, so that's why we''re getting so many Gen 1 reps. I believe Sakurai doesn't care for equal generation representation (I'm sure the Pokemon Company does, though).

I think the Pokemon Company cares more about having something to show something current than overall representation. Pikachu is already shown to be a new-looking Pikachu whose final smash is a move that was only introduced in gen 3, so it's obviously not a Gen 1 Pikachu, Jigglypuff may know some Fairy moves to help represent 6th Gen while being a pokemon from 1st Gen, Mewtwo could be partially or fully in his Awakened Forme, repping 1st Gen and 6th Gen, and for all we know, the Pokemon Trainer's pokemon may know some new 5th and 6th gen moves. I also think they won't skip 5th Gen either, especially considering the big three pokemon that would make for excellent fighters (Zoroark, Genesect, Victini)

 

[Deleted member]

And Pra_Mai is not Plusle and Minun, it's a random space.

We don't know what it is, but it is FOR SURE not a random space.

The file is under character effects, and the file would either be labeled "random" or "omakase" rather than "pra_mai" anyway.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I think the Pokemon Company cares more about having something to show something current than overall representation. Pikachu is already shown to be a new-looking Pikachu whose final smash is a move that was only introduced in gen 3, so it's obviously not a Gen 1 Pikachu, Jigglypuff may know some Fairy moves to help represent 6th Gen while being a pokemon from 1st Gen, Mewtwo could be partially or fully in his Awakened Forme, repping 1st Gen and 6th Gen, and for all we know, the Pokemon Trainer's pokemon may know some new 5th and 6th gen moves. I also think they won't skip 5th Gen either, especially considering the big three pokemon that would make for excellent fighters (Zoroark, Genesect, Victini)

Yes, in a sense, Sakurai is trying to rep all gens in the games, whether it be bosses, moves, characters, Pokeballs, or stages. But for the most part, the character slots will mainly consist of Generation 1 Pokemon since those are the most popular. And I'm guessing Generation 5 will be repped in some way, whether it be a stage or a boss. Imagine the skyscrapers of Castelia City as a stage.

 

[Hotfeet444]

We don't know what it is, but it is FOR SURE not a random space.

The file is under character effects, and the file would either be labeled "random" or "omakase" rather than "pra_mai" anyway.

Well, from what I've heard, the terms "pra" and "mai" are part of the japanese word meaning Random or different or something along those lines, but whatever it is, it's not two little crappy mouses who would be better off being the Pichu Bros.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, from what I've heard, the terms "pra" and "mai" are part of the japanese word meaning Random or different or something along those lines, but whatever it is, it's not two little crappy mouses who would be better off being the Pichu Bros.

It's unlikely to be the two of them, but they have more reason to believe it's them than the Random Box.

I going more towards my custom character theory, as it makes logic out of the illogical Random Box theory.

 

[TumblrFamous]

So, instead of talking about Pokemon, which will be a neverending argument that will never be over even when the Smash Series is dead, let's move onto a new topic.

 

[Curious Villager]

FIRE EMBLEM!

What do you propose?

 

[Reznor]

you guys think we will get Dixie Kong or King K. Rool?
or both

 

[Deleted member]

Impa.

Not really.
Well, we haven't talked about F-Zero in a while.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

FIRE EMBLEM!

What do you propose?

Shipping?

 

[TumblrFamous]

you guys think we will get Dixie Kong or King K. Rool?
or both

I don't think it's entirely out of the realm of possibility to get both, just more unlikely than likely. Despite Dixie's recent appearance in Tropical Freeze, it should be K. Rool.

I have a good idea, let's do another Sheik vs. Impa debate!

 

[FlareHabanero]

FIRE EMBLEM!

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Well, we haven't talked about F-Zero in a while.

There honestly isn't very much to say.

It's Black Shadow or Goroh(if anyone) at this point.

 

[Curious Villager]

Shipping?

Habanero X GoldenYuiitusin FTW!

Oh jolly...

 

[FourStar]

god i can never keep up with this thread......

 

[PlatinumGamer64]

Let's talk about Dry Bowser. :3

 

[TumblrFamous]

Let's talk about Dry Bowser. :3

Or, you know, we /*SPOILER*/ don't. /*SPOILER*/

 

[Deleted member]

There honestly isn't very much to say.

It's Black Shadow or Goroh(if anyone) at this point.

That is true.

But let's talk about them. About Goroh and B. Shadow, I mean.
Who does everyone want between the two of them here and why?

 

[Reznor]

That is true.

But let's talk about them. About Goroh and B. Shadow, I mean.
Who does everyone want between the two of them here and why?

Black Shadow so we don't have another Sword guy and would rather have a villain

 

[TumblrFamous]

That is true.

But let's talk about them. About Goroh and B. Shadow, I mean.
Who does everyone want between the two of them here and why?

I think it's just a matter of representation for the F-Zero Franchise. People believe we should have another rep other than Falcon. To be honest, though, I feel like Falcon represents it fine on his own, in my own opinion.

 

[PlatinumGamer64]

Or, you know, we /*SPOILER*/ don't. /*SPOILER*/

There we go with the closed mindedness again. Explain why Bowser being able to switch to Dry Bowser through Final Smash doesn't work.

Again, just because Dry Bowser isn't talked about on SmashBoards doesn't dismiss him from likeliness. Sometimes the characters that get in aren't always the obvious ones. A good speculator takes time to consider.

 

[Curious Villager]

Black Shadow I'm not very certain. Like do people actually want him or do they just want a guy to shove Ganondorf's old moveset down his throat? I guess that's one of the reasons why I would rather have Samurai Goroh. Just give Ganondorf his sword and everything instead of throwing his old moveset at someone else. But that's just my opinion really....

 

[Autumn ♫]

There we go with the closed mindedness again. Explain why Bowser being able to switch to Dry Bowser through Final Smash doesn't work.

Again, just because Dry Bowser isn't talked about on SmashBoards doesn't dismiss him from likeliness. Sometimes the characters that get in aren't always the obvious ones. A good speculator takes time to consider.

The only good way of adding Dry Bowser in is through a costume.

 

[Deleted member]

I am fine with either, really.
Or if Falcon remains solo, that's fine too. Disappointing, but understandable.

EDIT: As for Black Shadow, while yes, being given Ganon's old set is a big reason he's popular, it's not the only one.
Japan really likes him as a character because of his portrayal in the F-Zero anime by none other than Norio Wakamoto.

Essentially, what he did to B. Shadow there is what Mako did to Aku from Samurai Jack here.

 

[Reznor]

There we go with the closed mindedness again. Explain why Bowser being able to switch to Dry Bowser through Final Smash doesn't work.

Again, just because Dry Bowser isn't talked about on SmashBoards doesn't dismiss him from likeliness. Sometimes the characters that get in aren't always the obvious ones. A good speculator takes time to consider.

Giga Bowser is way more threatening than Dry Bowser
honestly I think Dry Bowser looks stupid and was an awful idea

 

[kikaru]

Giga Bowser is way more threatening than Dry Bowser
honestly I think Dry Bowser looks stupid and was an awful idea

But what about Giga Dry Bowser :D

 

[Fire Emblemier]

That is true.

But let's talk about them. About Goroh and B. Shadow, I mean.
Who does everyone want between the two of them here and why?

Both represent a part of F-Zero, but not as well as Falcon, I don't really care who we get, even if we don't get another F-Zero rep, I wouldn't care really. So it's either the main Antagonist or interesting racer, each know hardly about and don't bother trying TBH. So it's pretty much a pick your poison type of thing.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I'd be fine with either, but I'd prefer Goroh. He's one of the original 4 racers and is Falcon's rival.

Plus Smash needs more fat dudes.

 

[TumblrFamous]

There we go with the closed mindedness again. Explain why Bowser being able to switch to Dry Bowser through Final Smash doesn't work.

Again, just because Dry Bowser isn't talked about on SmashBoards doesn't dismiss him from likeliness. Sometimes the characters that get in aren't always the obvious ones. A good speculator takes time to consider.

Hey, I have predictions that I rarely discuss on Smashboards, but Dry Bowser should only be a costume at best. And regardless of being talked on a website or not, that doesn't make anyone any more likely.