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The Light Music Club said:
In regards to Fire Emblem I would want to see Robin (Female) or Micaiah one of the mains from Radiant Dawn.
Here is my roster right now and I know I will be blasted for it:



Guys on the right are Alternates.
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(+) are good, (-) are bad, (0) are neutral

Characers:
Paper Mario, highly requested and had a recent new game, pretty good pick (+)

King K. Rool, requested and a villan which smash needs more of. DK and Falcon are the only two original 8 that still do not have a villan. Him and Dixie are pretty close, but I'd say he's got a better shot (+)

Shulk is likely based on his games response (+)

Micaiah, I think only the die-hard players are going to know who she is. A pretty good choice since it's a girl character which smash needs more of, but it is highly unlikey that FE will get two new reps and even more unlikely that it isn't a more popular character (-)

Chrom is a good choice based off of the FE Awakening stage reveal and a new FE rep (+)

Mewtwo is VERY likely to come back, I can't think of another gen 6 besides megalucario (+)

Lucario's cut could very well happen, but is more like a 50/50 with Mewtwo (0)

Hoenn Trainer, sorry you're a few gens short and the original 3 are the most iconic. (-)

0/No Ridley again, but its fair to exclude him I guess (0)

Lucas's cut could happen, but based on Mother 3's popularity in japan and Ness being one of the orignal 8 it is unlikely that Lucas will be cut reducing earthbound to 1. (-)

Takamaru is the most likely retro IMO, unless you count little Mac as a retro (+)

Palutena is obviously a good choice (+)

Layton is interesting. I can see him happening, but It's not all that likely that he would get in over Little Mac or Isaac (-)

R.O.B. as an alternative is ok, but I don't think they would cut any retros especially since his play-style is so original (-)

Snake's cut (0)

The Decision:
All together you scored a solid +2 congrats! Generally you're characters are very likely to get in minus a few odd balls, but hey everyone has hopes right?

Format:
5 by 9 block is is too bulky to happen. They have been horizontal ever since 64. (-)

Paper Mario before Mario in the row is odd and probably wouldn't happen (-), same with young link (-), but they are in the same Column and are technically both major characters (0)

Putting all Retros together (+)

Putting all 3rd Parties Together (+)

Shulk with FE (+)

Putting Olimar with SF (+), Captain Falcon with SF (-), not putting Samus with SF, but next to megaman (0), she looks cramped there (0)

The DK row looks like it should be moved down to the 2nd to last row. Ness would look better near villager and Pokemon/Kirby/Metroid has much more priority than DK/FE (-)

Wii Fit and Villager have good spots but Shulk and Olimar should have been rearrenged to be near them since they are Nintendo solo reps. (-)

The Decision:
All together you scored a solid 0. Although it is not on a horizontal basis you have clearly put some effort into the formatting of who goes into each row and the smart placement of most misc. characters.

The Result: Not a bad list, but some of it is too hopeful. The formatting needs just a little bit of work
You scored a +2 congrats it's positive!
 
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Cpt. said:
(+) are good, (-) are bad, (0) are neutral

Characers:
Paper Mario, highly requested and had a recent new game, pretty good pick (+)

King K. Rool, requested and a villan which smash needs more of. DK and Falcon are the only two original 8 that still do not have a villan. Him and Dixie are pretty close, but I'd say he's got a better shot (+)

Shulk is likely based on his games response (+)

Micaiah, I think only the die-hard players are going to know who she is. A pretty good choice since it's a girl character which smash needs more of, but it is highly unlikey that FE will get two new reps and even more unlikely that it isn't a more popular character (-)

Chrom is a good choice based off of the FE Awakening stage reveal and a new FE rep (+)

Mewtwo is VERY likely to come back, I can't think of another gen 6 besides megalucario (+)

Lucario's cut could very well happen, but is more like a 50/50 with Mewtwo (0)

Hoenn Trainer, sorry you're a few gens short and the original 3 are the most iconic. (-)

0/No Ridley again, but its fair to exclude him I guess (0)

Lucas's cut could happen, but based on Mother 3's popularity in japan and Ness being one of the orignal 8 it is unlikely that Lucas will be cut reducing earthbound to 1. (-)

Takamaru is the most likely retro IMO, unless you count little Mac as a retro (+)

Palutena is obviously a good choice (+)

Layton is interesting. I can see him happening, but It's not all that likely that he would get in over Little Mac or Isaac (-)

R.O.B. as an alternative is ok, but I don't think they would cut any retros especially since his play-style is so original (-)

Snake's cut (0)

The Decision:
All together you scored a solid +2 congrats! Generally you're characters are very likely to get in minus a few odd balls, but hey everyone has hopes right?

Format:
5 by 9 block is is too bulky to happen. They have been horizontal ever since 64. (-)

Paper Mario before Mario in the row is odd and probably wouldn't happen (-), same with young link (-), but they are in the same Column and are technically both major characters (0)

Putting all Retros together (+)

Putting all 3rd Parties Together (+)

Shulk with FE (+)

Putting Olimar with SF (+), Captain Falcon with SF (-), not putting Samus with SF, but next to megaman (0), she looks cramped there (0)

The DK row looks like it should be moved down to the 2nd to last row. Ness would look better near villager and Pokemon/Kirby/Metroid has much more priority than DK/FE (-)

Wii Fit and Villager have good spots but Shulk and Olimar should have been rearrenged to be near them since they are Nintendo solo reps. (-)

The Decision:
All together you scored a solid 0. Although it is not on a horizontal basis you have clearly put some effort into the formatting of who goes into each row and the smart placement of most misc. characters.

The Result: Not a bad list, but some of it is too hopeful. The formatting needs just a little bit of work
You scored a +2 congrats it's positive!
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Can you do that with my roster
 
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I doubt they would ditch Jiggs. Shes known to be extremely easy to develop (For the similar models between her and Kirby, and the simplicity of her moves)
 
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Cpt. said:
(+) are good, (-) are bad, (0) are neutral

Characers:
Paper Mario, highly requested and had a recent new game, pretty good pick (+)

King K. Rool, requested and a villan which smash needs more of. DK and Falcon are the only two original 8 that still do not have a villan. Him and Dixie are pretty close, but I'd say he's got a better shot (+)

Shulk is likely based on his games response (+)

Micaiah, I think only the die-hard players are going to know who she is. A pretty good choice since it's a girl character which smash needs more of, but it is highly unlikey that FE will get two new reps and even more unlikely that it isn't a more popular character (-)

Chrom is a good choice based off of the FE Awakening stage reveal and a new FE rep (+)

Mewtwo is VERY likely to come back, I can't think of another gen 6 besides megalucario (+)

Lucario's cut could very well happen, but is more like a 50/50 with Mewtwo (0)

Hoenn Trainer, sorry you're a few gens short and the original 3 are the most iconic. (-)

0/No Ridley again, but its fair to exclude him I guess (0)

Lucas's cut could happen, but based on Mother 3's popularity in japan and Ness being one of the orignal 8 it is unlikely that Lucas will be cut reducing earthbound to 1. (-)

Takamaru is the most likely retro IMO, unless you count little Mac as a retro (+)

Palutena is obviously a good choice (+)

Layton is interesting. I can see him happening, but It's not all that likely that he would get in over Little Mac or Isaac (-)

R.O.B. as an alternative is ok, but I don't think they would cut any retros especially since his play-style is so original (-)

Snake's cut (0)

The Decision:
All together you scored a solid +2 congrats! Generally you're characters are very likely to get in minus a few odd balls, but hey everyone has hopes right?

Format:
5 by 9 block is is too bulky to happen. They have been horizontal ever since 64. (-)

Paper Mario before Mario in the row is odd and probably wouldn't happen (-), same with young link (-), but they are in the same Column and are technically both major characters (0)

Putting all Retros together (+)

Putting all 3rd Parties Together (+)

Shulk with FE (+)

Putting Olimar with SF (+), Captain Falcon with SF (-), not putting Samus with SF, but next to megaman (0), she looks cramped there (0)

The DK row looks like it should be moved down to the 2nd to last row. Ness would look better near villager and Pokemon/Kirby/Metroid has much more priority than DK/FE (-)

Wii Fit and Villager have good spots but Shulk and Olimar should have been rearrenged to be near them since they are Nintendo solo reps. (-)

The Decision:
All together you scored a solid 0. Although it is not on a horizontal basis you have clearly put some effort into the formatting of who goes into each row and the smart placement of most misc. characters.

The Result: Not a bad list, but some of it is too hopeful. The formatting needs just a little bit of work
You scored a +2 congrats it's positive!
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Such reading.
 
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ScatmansWorld25 said:
I say, we need to make regular Ganondorf not a clone of Falcon before we add another Ganondorf. And Vaati could be way more unique than both.
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You wanna know what my idea was with that particular roster? I was imagining normal Ganondorf still being a slow Falcon clone and Toon Ganondorf being a fast Ike clone. lol

Could easily see it happen as well, Smash ain't complete without having some sort of clones. The irony of introducing another Ganondorf just for him being another clone sounds like something that would match Sakurai's humor quite perfectly. :p
 
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MorbidAltruism said:
Jigglypuff wasn't added as a joke character, the difference was intent. She had her own merits mostly exclusive to Japan. Even then, her significance in the anime is much more notable than Pichu's. Not only that, but Pichu was added as a last minute clone, unlike Jigglypuff.

I will give you Meowth.
Genesect doesn't have the necessary popularity or marketing. Zoroark is a maybe, but they haven't done much with it either. Jigglypuff is the more prevalent Pokemon, the more iconic Pokemon, and obviously the Pokemon with Smash relevance.
Greninja might actually be too late, as many speculate the roster to have been finalized in the summer (last summer, it could have been prior to that).
Blaziken. I doubt it as we already have Charizard, he would have made more sense in Brawl, in my opinion.
Garchomp... lol, wut? Gardevoir? You mean the Pokeball item? Uh huh. Before you mention Charizard, Sakurai was obviously saving him for Pokemon Trainer. Even if he wasn't, his model is apparently difficult to program.

It doesn't matter, that notion is irrelevant and doesn't pertain to our discussion. The point is that she is a prominent character in the Smash Bros. series. She took priority over Mewtwo in the last game, as she was easy to develop. She offers something unique. She DOES have players. You cannot blatantly disregard approximentally 1/12 of the fan-base from Smash 64... and even more in Melee. Jigglypuff was S-tier and she procured a lot of fame in the competitive scene. She is still a character that people love to hate, like ROB or Game and Watch. People do play her, just because you don't like her and implement your empirical mind-set to the situation doesn't mean that she is entirely unpopular.

You are basically giving me a glorified "muh recency" argument. She isn't recent, so she isn't important (which is utterly erroneous).
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Yes I may be giving you a "much recency" argument. But what about you ? Aren't you a little partial on this subject because you're a Jigglypuff player ?

You said earlier that Jiggly wasn't played on Brawl because she was bottom-tier, but she was played on Melee because she was S-Tier ? A character should be played whether the player like him (or his gameplay) or not . I was a Captain Falcon player from SSB64 to Brawl, and even if he was weak as hell, I used to play him with my friend.

I think we should end our debate here. You're a Jigglypuff player who wants to keep her in the game (I would do the same for my characters), and I'm thinking that she's not representing the Pokemon franchise well enough and should be replaced. I understand your point of view, and I hope you will understand mine.
 
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Cpt. said:
(+) are good, (-) are bad, (0) are neutral

Characers:
Paper Mario, highly requested and had a recent new game, pretty good pick (+)

King K. Rool, requested and a villan which smash needs more of. DK and Falcon are the only two original 8 that still do not have a villan. Him and Dixie are pretty close, but I'd say he's got a better shot (+)

Shulk is likely based on his games response (+)

Micaiah, I think only the die-hard players are going to know who she is. A pretty good choice since it's a girl character which smash needs more of, but it is highly unlikey that FE will get two new reps and even more unlikely that it isn't a more popular character (-)

Chrom is a good choice based off of the FE Awakening stage reveal and a new FE rep (+)

Mewtwo is VERY likely to come back, I can't think of another gen 6 besides megalucario (+)

Lucario's cut could very well happen, but is more like a 50/50 with Mewtwo (0)

Hoenn Trainer, sorry you're a few gens short and the original 3 are the most iconic. (-)

0/No Ridley again, but its fair to exclude him I guess (0)

Lucas's cut could happen, but based on Mother 3's popularity in japan and Ness being one of the orignal 8 it is unlikely that Lucas will be cut reducing earthbound to 1. (-)

Takamaru is the most likely retro IMO, unless you count little Mac as a retro (+)

Palutena is obviously a good choice (+)

Layton is interesting. I can see him happening, but It's not all that likely that he would get in over Little Mac or Isaac (-)

R.O.B. as an alternative is ok, but I don't think they would cut any retros especially since his play-style is so original (-)

Snake's cut (0)

The Decision:
All together you scored a solid +2 congrats! Generally you're characters are very likely to get in minus a few odd balls, but hey everyone has hopes right?

Format:
5 by 9 block is is too bulky to happen. They have been horizontal ever since 64. (-)

Paper Mario before Mario in the row is odd and probably wouldn't happen (-), same with young link (-), but they are in the same Column and are technically both major characters (0)

Putting all Retros together (+)

Putting all 3rd Parties Together (+)

Shulk with FE (+)

Putting Olimar with SF (+), Captain Falcon with SF (-), not putting Samus with SF, but next to megaman (0), she looks cramped there (0)

The DK row looks like it should be moved down to the 2nd to last row. Ness would look better near villager and Pokemon/Kirby/Metroid has much more priority than DK/FE (-)

Wii Fit and Villager have good spots but Shulk and Olimar should have been rearrenged to be near them since they are Nintendo solo reps. (-)

The Decision:
All together you scored a solid 0. Although it is not on a horizontal basis you have clearly put some effort into the formatting of who goes into each row and the smart placement of most misc. characters.

The Result: Not a bad list, but some of it is too hopeful. The formatting needs just a little bit of work
You scored a +2 congrats it's positive!
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I disagree with the addition of Paper Mario being positive. As we shouldn't expect a 6th, and he's not the obvious 6th choice. I'd honestly expect Bowser Jr before Paper Mario.
Hoenn is the third of the original three
I think 5 by 9 is very likely. Both Melee and Brawl had 9 columns.
 
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ScatmansWorld25 said:
I say, we need to make regular Ganondorf not a clone of Falcon before we add another Ganondorf. And Vaati could be way more unique than both.
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That's the main reason why a Ganondorf with 2 swords makes no sense. We still need a Ganondorf with one sword. And even though I disagree with Vaati, he would be very unique. I don't see a wind mage cloning anybody already on the roster.
 
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M23-X0 said:
I think we should end our debate here. You're a Jigglypuff player who wants to keep her in the game (I would do the same for my characters), and I'm thinking that she's not representing the Pokemon franchise well enough and should be replaced. I understand your point of view, and I hope you will understand mine.
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I don't mean to spur this on further, but Morbid just said she was an advocate for omitting Jigglypuff for Meowth. But as far as I know that is ONLY for Meowth.
 
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Ganondorf with two swords makes no sense?

You mean to tell me that this makes no sense?!

 
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I like how people request Duck Hunt Dog,but what would his moveset be?
 
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Arigarmy said:
Then I guess you have to change your avatar,since now he's the best.
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Morbid is female I believe, and she's definitely earned a cusToad from me. Morbid; PM me if there's any specific custom details you'd like for you Toad. I will most certainly make you a "THE BEST" avatar.

Arigarmy said:
I like how people request Duck Hunt Dog,but what would his moveset be?
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Did I not just reply to that with a video?

Very well here's a copy/paste one from their wiki.


Combo

  • Paw Swipe: He swipes his paw forward from top to bottom twice, then he leans forward and lets out a vicious bite which stuns the enemy in place.
Side Tilt

  • Dirty Trick: He places his foot to the ground and kicks dirt up in the air behind him.
Up Tilt

  • Duck Toss: He tosses a blue duck in the air, which spins around dealing multiple hits
Down Tilt

  • Paw Sweep: He crouches down, leans forward and sweeps his paw down to the ground.
Nair

  • Cartwheel: He does a rapid spinning cartwheel in the air that hits in all directions.
Fair

  • Red Duck Smack: He swings a red duck downward, which meteor smashes.
Bair

  • Mule Kick: He thrusts his back legs behind him in a dropkick-style attack.
Up Air

  • Spinning Paw Swipe: He rotates his whole body while swinging his paw over his head.
Dair

  • Doggy Paddle: He does a very rapid paddle on all 4 legs. This move is an air combo almost exactly like Yoshi's down air. The difference with this one from Yoshi's is that this one has more vertical reach.
Side Smash

  • Duck Smack: He pulls out a duck and swings it forward which smacks the opponent.
Up Smash

  • Backflip: He performs a backflip with much effort and speed then lands on his stomach.
Down Smash

  • Tail Chase: He rapidly chases his tail and spins twice. This is a combo smash with a final knockback. This works similar to Pikachu's Down Smash, but without the electricity.
Forward Throw

  • Mule Kick: After grabbing the opponent, he kicks them with both hind legs.
Back Throw

  • Back Somersault Kick: After grabbing the opponent, he leaps on their torso and grips them with his limbs. From here, he pulls his body weight back to do a reverse somersault while still holding on to the opponent. Once he does the full somersault, he kicks them away with his hind legs.
Up Throw

  • Grounded Spinning Paw Swipe: The same move as his Up Air, but performed on ground.
Down Throw

  • Jaw Lock: After grabbing the opponent, he lays them down and locks his teeth onto them. He shakes his head left to right to fortify the attack.
Dash Attack

  • Roll Over: While dashing forward, he does a very short leap and then rolls over twice.
Ledge attack

  • Back Kick: Once grabbing on the edge, he pulls himself up and does a back kick with his hind legs.
Duck Hunt Dog's Special Moves

Neutral Special : NES Zapper
Pulls out the classic NES Zapper and shoots a bullet. A small flashing screen appears where the bullet has been shot.

Side Special: Clay Shooting
Throws a Clay Disc from the mini-game Clay Shooting. It slides off his hand and doesn't stop until it makes contact with something.

Up Special: Flying Ducks
Pulls out 2 black ducks and hitches a ride into the air. The move ends when he lets go and the ducks fly away. The move only does damage if an opponent makes contact with the ducks during flight or fall.

Down Special: Pounce
Crouches down in a prepared attack position and growls. This position can be held so that you can time your jump. The amount of time you hold this attack does not change the distance or power of the attack. Can be performed in mid-air.

Final Smash: Retro Revenge
He points forward and barks, which summons a colorful group of ducks that move a certain distance forward and attack opponents. After the ducks begin their attack, he follows off with rapid clay disk throws. The Final Smash is ended with blowing the opponent away with not just one, but 2 NES Zappers. This Final Smash is notorious for being one of the worst in the game due to hardly ever succeeding, and when it does, it is easy to shield.
 
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andimidna said:
I disagree with the addition of Paper Mario being positive. As we shouldn't expect a 6th, and he's not the obvious 6th choice. I'd honestly expect Bowser Jr before Paper Mario.
Hoenn is the third of the original three
I think 5 by 9 is very likely. Both Melee and Brawl had 9 columns.
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I think that him and Bowser Jr. are equal for a 6th choice BJ may be a little higher, but I wouldn't count Paper Mario out especially with Sakurai's corkey picks. I also believe that a 6th Mario rep is still likely because there were technically none in Brawl.

So Hoenn is the 3rd gen.....so..........What are you getting at?

I believe that if anything 10 by 5/4 will happen.
 
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M23-X0 said:
Yes I may be giving you a "much recency" argument. But what about you ? Aren't you a little partial on this subject because you're a Jigglypuff player ?

You said earlier that Jiggly wasn't played on Brawl because she was bottom-tier, but she was played on Melee because she was S-Tier ? A character should be played whether the player like him (or his gameplay) or not . I was a Captain Falcon player from SSB64 to Brawl, and even if he was weak as hell, I used to play him with my friend.

I think we should end our debate here. You're a Jigglypuff player who wants to keep her in the game (I would do the same for my characters), and I'm thinking that she's not representing the Pokemon franchise well enough and should be replaced. I understand your point of view, and I hope you will understand mine.
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Yes. I am biased as I actually play her and adore her and advocate her return. That has nothing to do with the notion that she shouldn't be cut. I defend other characters that I don't like too. She just happens to be one of my mains that gets a lot of flak for reasons that aren't even that good.

All characters are played at the casual level. The exposure comes from the competitive scene though. People obviously play Captain Falcon at the casual level, but you don't see him in many tournaments as he is low-tier. The same thing happened to Jigglypuff. She had overt popularity in Melee as she was a prominent character. She was dropped in Brawl, hence the illusion that no one is playing her. No one really uploads casual matches, and even less watch them.

No, I think it is right to keep her in the game. She should have been cut in Brawl if she was ever intended to leave. You are arguing that Sakurai wishes to arbitrarily represent each generation of Pokemon to cater to fans who want another Pokemon based solely on the year they were released. The premise is utterly fallacious. He doesn't represent each generation as that is irrelevant. He can in other ways, such as Pokeball items, stages, stickers, music, and everything else. He doesn't do that for characters as the characters have to be prevalent, iconic, important, and approved by Pokemon Company/Game Freak (for the most part).

Again, this isn't Pokemon. This is Smash. So we need to stop pretending that Jigglypuff isn't popular or that she doesn't mean anything to a 15 year franchise. Cutting a character omits a player-base that enjoys a certain play-style. Bottom-line is that Sakurai is not going to desecrate an easy to develop play-style that has been around since the beginning just because she is a first generation Pokemon that is no longer recent.

Do I understand your perspective? Yes. She is one of the easiest characters to assert as irrelevant. I get it, she isn't popular in her series... so she needs to leave THIS series.
 
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At this point and from what we've seen I think each existing franchise will only get one newcomer or none. Think about it, we've gotten a high quality and eloborate trailer for each one of them. I can't see them doing a huge number of those and also them having to set up an interesting scenario for ones from series that already got one, Rosalinas was during a Mario kart race, so are we going to see another gathering of them for another character from the same series? I know it's possible but I just don't see them trying to drum up attention for bowser jr (or someone else) after another one from there could have had almost the same trailer.

Oh and has anyone noticed how there has been a focus on each newcomers eyes in these trailers? (save for WFT)
 
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ScatmansWorld25 said:
When he's only appeared once and regular Ganondorf is still a clone? Yes.
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Since when did Sakurai start picking characters by relevance? Also, where did you find out that Ganondorf will still be a clone next round? I respect your opinion, but I doubt those kinds of reasons hold any value to a guy like Sakurai.
 
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Out of the many remaining unrevealed veterans, who does everybody think is a total (100%) lock? I've got:

Yoshi
Captain Falcon
Ness
Ganondorf
Ice Climbers
Mr. Game & Watch
Meta Knight
Diddy Kong
Wario

There are others I'd put at very high percentages (95-99%), but those are the only definites to me. Have I missed anyone out?
 
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No Control said:
Out of the many remaining unrevealed veterans, who does everybody think is a total (100%) lock? I've got:

Yoshi
Captain Falcon
Ness
Ganondorf
Ice Climbers
Mr. Game & Watch
Meta Knight
Diddy Kong
Wario

There are others I'd put at very high percentages (95-99%), but those are the only definites to me. Have I missed anyone out?
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Probably falco and jigglypuff, I think anyone who has been in melee/64 till brawl is most likely coming back
 
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