Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Morbi]

I'll only accept Black Shadow if his voice actor isn't as bad as his GX voice.

I agree with that sentiment. That was horrific. Apparently his voice actor is really popular in Japan... and we got... like that... pre-teen angst voice actor. So wrong.

 

[andimidna]

Because Sakurai is lazy hence why Wario rarely did his Wario Land techniques.

It's much more difficult to add Alph as a new playable character and differentiate him past Olimar besides 2 Pikmin. I mean, wasn't Olimar in Pikmin 3 too? And Alph was only one of 3 main protagonists? Not that I want Louie, but I'm pretty sure he's the 2nd main character of the series. Olimar had the new Pikmin in Brawl, and I don't believe we've seen Olimar running around with a full set of Pikmin... I like the idea a lot.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I am going to post my AMAZING roster on this thread as well!
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100000000/10 because it has Piccolo

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I agree with that sentiment. That was horrific. Apparently his voice actor is really popular in Japan... and we got... like that... pre-teen angst voice actor. So wrong.

Captain Falcon sounded more macho and mature compared to that manchild of a villain. He better have that sexy Norio Wakamoto voice or else Sakurai will be known as Suck-ur-eye!

 

[Morbi]

What would Sakurai do to differentiate Chrom or Lucina if they were to become separate fighters. Chrom is a mix of Marth and Ike. Lucina is basically a female Marth. They have the same sword... why not? It's more of a suggestion over speculation. But Chrom and Lucina as a team has a chance.

I am not sure if you are actually asking a question, but I actually envisioned it like this...

Essentially, Chrom and Lucina have the exact same move-set (this is to save development time and to avoid falling under a transformation character). Lucina would be the quick and agile character with the more dominant priority. Her neutrals and specials do not have much knock-back, but they come out fast. They both share the same special which is a quick slash (or whatever) that transitions the characters, it is safe to switch (unlike transformation characters). Chrom is just the bulkier variant, his moves don't have much priority, but they have crazy knock-back and damage, he is much more difficult to KO.

So you learn one character, but you use both. You fight with Lucina for the beginning and switch to Chrom for the kill. Lucina's recovery move would probably be horrible, so if you don't switch to Chrom early enough, it could result in an easy KO for your opponent. However, she does have the better counter. Its start-up is quick and the hit itself creates a lot of space between you and the enemy.

That is just what I imagine when I think "tag-team." I am not really imagining them to follow the transformation archetype or the Ice Climbers archetype.

 

[Arcadenik]

Because some people like to play as Falcondorf.

Melee Falcondorf with Flame Choke >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Melee Falcondorf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brawl Falcondorf

Making a thread...

Here it is.

 

[M23-X0]

Ness wasn't almost cut in brawl, that was melee. Only the second game. Then he came back for brawl, alongside Lucas.

Jiggs is staying, and we are not getting 2 Pokemon trainers.

OK, didn't know it was Melee. But I find it unfair, giving immunity to the original smash roster. If a character is not revelant anymore, and not played too much (<- I'm not sure for that, I watched a lot of games but I never saw a Jigglypff player), creators should think if this character should be cut ot not.
In Jigglypuff's case, we have 700 pokemons, and some of them are really popular (Genesect, Zoroark, Blaziken...). There is 6 generations of Pokemon, and we already have 5 reps for gen 1 (Pikachu, Charizard, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Jiggly) and 6 if we're counting Mewtwo.

So what are you thinking ? Should Jigglypuff has to be replaced or not ?

 

[Starcutter]

So many people play jiggs, especially in the melee competitive scene.

 

[The Light Music Club]

OK, didn't know it was Melee. But I find it unfair, giving immunity to the original smash roster. If a character is not revelant anymore, and not played too much (<- I'm not sure for that, I watched a lot of games but I never saw a Jigglypff player), creators should think if this character should be cut ot not.
In Jigglypuff's case, we have 700 pokemons, and some of them are really popular (Genesect, Zoroark, Blaziken...). There is 6 generations of Pokemon, and we already have 5 reps for gen 1 (Pikachu, Charizard, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Jiggly) and 6 if we're counting Mewtwo.

So what are you thinking ? Should Jigglypuff has to be replaced or not ?

Jigglypuff will stay. It makes sense that the originals all stay, they were what got SSB of to a good start. The Pokemon Trainer will be the one changing.

 

[Hotfeet444]

So many people play jiggs, especially in the melee competitive scene.

That reminds me, when Jigglypuff comes back, Rest better make an explosion again.

Also, has anyone designed a Fairy-type Jigglypuff moveset yet?

 

[Morbi]

OK, didn't know it was Melee. But I find it unfair, giving immunity to the original smash roster. If a character is not revelant anymore, and not played too much (<- I'm not sure for that, I watched a lot of games but I never saw a Jigglypff player), creators should think if this character should be cut ot not.
In Jigglypuff's case, we have 700 pokemons, and some of them are really popular (Genesect, Zoroark, Blaziken...). There is 6 generations of Pokemon, and we already have 5 reps for gen 1 (Pikachu, Charizard, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Jiggly) and 6 if we're counting Mewtwo.

So what are you thinking ? Should Jigglypuff has to be replaced or not ?

Do you know why nobody plays Jigglypuff? She is bottom tier, that is why. ****, I main her and I can hardly play as her without trying my little heart out. I mean should we cut Mario, Samus, Captain Falcon, Link, Ganon, and Zelda just because nobody really plays them?

Jigglypuff has been a part of Smash for 15 years. Jigglypuff was 1/12 (roughly) of the player-base in Smash 64. Jigglypuff was used to extremities in Melee. Jigglypuff is unique and different (rest, sing, shield-pop). Jigglypuff is probably the easiest character to develop. So should he cut an iconic character to Smash that is not only diverse, but easy to develop? No.

 

[The Light Music Club]

I just wish Johto had a new rep because Gold is my favorite videogame. Pichu was a terrible choice, and Feraligatr, Chikorita, and Quilava would be an awesome Pokemon Trainer. I'm sure it won't happen, but I wish it would.

 

[Sonicguy726]

That reminds me, when Jigglypuff comes back, Rest better make an explosion again.

Also, has anyone designed a Fairy-type Jigglypuff moveset yet?

I say get rid of pound and rollout, move sing to neutral B and make it more useful, Make it's up B fairy wind creating a pink tornado around it you could control and making it's side B dazzling gleam stunning opponents like mewtwos disable. Also give it a moonblast final smash and add pink sparkle effects to it's A moves

 

[M23-X0]

Do you know why nobody plays Jigglypuff? She is bottom tier, that is why. ****, I main her and I can hardly play as her without trying my little heart out. I mean should we cut Mario, Samus, Captain Falcon, Link, Ganon, and Zelda just because nobody really plays them?

Jigglypuff has been a part of Smash for 15 years. Jigglypuff was 1/12 (roughly) of the player-base in Smash 64. Jigglypuff was used to extremities in Melee. Jigglypuff is unique and different (rest, sing, shield-pop). Jigglypuff is probably the easiest character to develop. So should he cut an iconic character to Smash that is not only diverse, but easy to develop? No.

I said a character who's not relevant and not too played. She was first included on SSB64 as a joke character, because she was popular on the show. But what about now ? There is a ton of more popular pokemon who should be in her place.
Like I said before, Smash Bros is about the history of Nintendo, and representing Pokemon as Gen I only, is causing harm to this franchise.

And about the "more easy to develop" argument, I don't think that characters should be included because they are "easy to develop". Hell, I don't want to play a game where all characters are "easy to develop". And in this case, brawl should have keep Pichu because he was easy to develop too, no ?

 

[andimidna]

OK, didn't know it was Melee. But I find it unfair, giving immunity to the original smash roster. If a character is not revelant anymore, and not played too much (<- I'm not sure for that, I watched a lot of games but I never saw a Jigglypff player), creators should think if this character should be cut ot not.
In Jigglypuff's case, we have 700 pokemons, and some of them are really popular (Genesect, Zoroark, Blaziken...). There is 6 generations of Pokemon, and we already have 5 reps for gen 1 (Pikachu, Charizard, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Jiggly) and 6 if we're counting Mewtwo.

So what are you thinking ? Should Jigglypuff has to be replaced or not ?

She should stay, but I hope they change up her specials. Going off Brawl:
Side B was Ok, wasn't great, it should get more distance.
Down B... I was only able to successfully use this move about 3 times, I honestly hope they just remove it with a fairy-esque move.
Up B... the characters woke up right as she stopped singing... I'd rather her sing just be a taunt, but it can affect peole like Luigi's, and then she can have a recovery that involves fairy type.
Neutral B... needs to still work well not charged up, if they want her to spin slowly and hit nobody if it's not charged up, she should at least be able to stop being vulnerable and be able to move. But I think one quick button press should make her roll medium-slowly... fast enough to hit somebody.

 

[Knight Dude]

I agree with that sentiment. That was horrific. Apparently his voice actor is really popular in Japan... and we got... like that... pre-teen angst voice actor. So wrong.

Captain Falcon is voiced by Vegeta. No one can top that.

Melee Falcondorf with Flame Choke >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Melee Falcondorf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brawl Falcondorf

Project M Falcondorf is still the best Falcondorf I've seen yet. He has all the Brawl moves while being as good as the Melee version.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I say get rid of pound and rollout, move sing to neutral B and make it more useful, Make it's up B fairy wind creating a pink tornado around it you could control and making it's side B dazzling gleam stunning opponents like mewtwos disable. Also give it a moonblast final smash and add pink sparkle effects to it's A moves

Hyper Voice is a much better alternative for a Standard B. Not to mention if I get rid of Pound, it would be turned into Double-slap.

 

[Sonicguy726]

Hyper Voice is a much better alternative for a Standard B. Not to mention if I get rid of Pound, it would be turned into Double-slap.

Sing is kind of a big part of jiggs' character though, I don't think they should get rid of it just make it more useful

 

[Morbi]

I said a character who's not relevant and not too played. She was first included on SSB64 as a joke character, because she was popular on the show. But what about now ? There is a ton of more popular pokemon who should be in her place.
Like I said before, Smash Bros is about the history of Nintendo, and representing Pokemon as Gen I only, is causing harm to this franchise.

And about the "more easy to develop" argument, I don't think that characters should be included because they are "easy to develop". Hell, I don't want to play a game where all characters are "easy to develop". And in this case, brawl should have keep Pichu because he was easy to develop too, no ?

Fallacious, she was never added as a joke character, apparently she was quite popular in Japan. The character doesn't need to be relevant and well played... Captain Falcon.. the face of the series? Did you forget him? Or Ness, perhaps.

No, name one Pokemon that can replace Jigglypuff. Try it.

She was low on the priority list last time, and they pumped her out in the time it takes to make a pseudo-clone. So yes, Sakurai is developing the game on time constraints. It (innate nature of easy development) does matter. I don't care if you don't care. Sakurai cares.

Pichu was a joke character, unlike Jigglypuff. His play-style was also congruent with Pikachu's. The different mechanic didn't magically change his play-style.

 

[Cpt.]

Discuss my roster :

• Amongst the elite 5, IMO, only 3 will make the cut : Mewtwo, Little Mac and Palutena.
I know it's taboo here to not put Ridley nor K. Rool on the roster, but I sincerely don't see them in the next SSB (even if I'm hoping to be wrong).

• Jigglypuff is cut. Is somebody capable of giving me an answer about why they are keeping her here even if she's not revelant anymore ? (SSB64 I know, but I heard that Ness would have been cut in Brawl if Mother 3 wasn't delayed). So, I would prefer a Kalos trainer with the 3 new starters which is more revelant.

• Ike is cut and replaced with Chrom and Robin (I'm biased here, because I really want the Avatar xD)

• Smash Bros is about representing all the history of Nintendo, not just the big ones. So, new franchises are added : Golden Sun (Isaac), Xenoblade (Shulk), Sutte Hakkun (Hakkun), Duck Hunter (the dog), Punch Out (Little Mac) and the new IP that Miyamoto is working on (what do you think ?). We have thus, both new and retro franchises.


I know that my roster is really different from what we saw here, and I also know that some characters won't make the cut (Bomberman, both Shulk and Isaac, Hakkun nor the dog) but I wanted to add some diversity to the roster, because this is what Smash Bros is about.

(+) are good, (-) are bad, (0) are neutral

Characers:

Spoiler

0/No Ridley, but I guess its 50/50 for him at this point so I can accept it (0)

Snake not getting cut is more like a 40/60 off his favor (0)

Getting Rid of Jiggly Puff one of the 8 (-)

Dixie and K. Rool can really go either way, but I don't see Dixie as her own character being too likely (-)

Palutena seems like an obviously good choice (+)

Kalos Trainer won't happen. Sorry. Not important enough even though greninja is a beast (-)

Mewtwo, the Return (+)

Lucario staying in is in the air (0)

Chrom is (+) but Robin is (-) so that evens out to (0)

Ike can go either way of staying in (0)

Shulk is another likely one (+)

I feel like Issac is less likely, but not absurd (+)

Little Mac is a pretty likely candidate (+)

Duck Hunt and Hakkun not really sure about this, I feel like with the addition of Little mac and Megaman they will only put in 1 retro (-)

Bomberman isn't going in sorry (-)

The Decision:

Spoiler

All together you scored a solid 0 this score is neither positive nor negative meaning that I am neutral to your character list. I wouldn't be happy with it, but I wouldn't be upset with it.

Format:

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5 by 10 block is pretty decent looking (+)

Rosalina being before Bowser in the column (-)

Putting all Retros together (+)

Putting all 3rd Parties Together (+)

Shulk and Issac with FE (+)

Putting Olimar with SF (+), Captain Falcon with SF (-), not putting Samus with SF (0), it would look nicer if all the Space people were together IMO but Samus is very important so that's a (0)

Craming in Wii Fit, Villager and Little Mac. You could have avoided this (-)

The Decision:

Spoiler

All together you scored a solid +2 nice job! Although it is not the smoothest, you have clearly put some effort into the formatting of your list which I respect.

The Result: Not a bad list, but some of it is quite unlikely. The formatting needs just a little bit of work

Spoiler

You scored a +2 congrats it's positive!

 

[Hotfeet444]

Sing is kind of a big part of jiggs' character though, I don't think they should get rid of it just make it more useful

It's a big part of the classic Anime's Jigglypuff, but we're past that, and it's time to embrace new alternatives. Jigglypuff's main power comes from its voice, so it should use moves like Hyper Voice, Uproar, Disarming Voice, Round and more.

 

[Knight Dude]

Not really sure what I want from Jigglypuff honestly. When it comes to pokemon I just want Red and Lucario to come back. And if it isn't too much, have one more newer Pokemon some time down the line.

 

[Chandeelure]

I really hate that Jigglypuff can't learn Moonblast.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Am I the only one that thinks representing the different types of Pokemon is more important than representing the different generations of Pokemon?

 

[deebeethedeity]

Discuss my roster :

• Amongst the elite 5, IMO, only 3 will make the cut : Mewtwo, Little Mac and Palutena.
I know it's taboo here to not put Ridley nor K. Rool on the roster, but I sincerely don't see them in the next SSB (even if I'm hoping to be wrong).

• Jigglypuff is cut. Is somebody capable of giving me an answer about why they are keeping her here even if she's not revelant anymore ? (SSB64 I know, but I heard that Ness would have been cut in Brawl if Mother 3 wasn't delayed). So, I would prefer a Kalos trainer with the 3 new starters which is more revelant.

• Ike is cut and replaced with Chrom and Robin (I'm biased here, because I really want the Avatar xD)

• Smash Bros is about representing all the history of Nintendo, not just the big ones. So, new franchises are added : Golden Sun (Isaac), Xenoblade (Shulk), Sutte Hakkun (Hakkun), Duck Hunter (the dog), Punch Out (Little Mac) and the new IP that Miyamoto is working on (what do you think ?). We have thus, both new and retro franchises.


I know that my roster is really different from what we saw here, and I also know that some characters won't make the cut (Bomberman, both Shulk and Isaac, Hakkun nor the dog) but I wanted to add some diversity to the roster, because this is what Smash Bros is about.

cheers bruh. first person to consider the new ip from miyamoto (besides me) and ik i'm kinda scared that ridley and krool wont make it.


also only person who think the jiggster will be cut. i always felt she took up space that could be given to unique non gen 1 pokemon. i dont think ike will or should be cut though. hakkun is certainly very intriguing, i'd love for his(her?) inclusion.


relevancy however shouldn't determine the roster as that will lead to no variety or diversity and no expansion

 

[BluePikmin11]

Am I the only one that thinks representing the different types of Pokemon is more important than representing the different generations of Pokemon?

Let's cut Pikachu for Stunfisk, he has more types than Pikachu.

 

[andimidna]

Sing is kind of a big part of jiggs' character though, I don't think they should get rid of it just make it more useful

I want sing to be her new standard taunt. Like Peach, who sings for her side taunt.
I also think she needs a new final smash
Standards are fine.
Even though the gravity will be closer to Melee this time around, I think Jiggs should stay floaty like Brawl, I think it makes sense for her character.

 

[Morbi]

Am I the only one that thinks representing the different types of Pokemon is more important than representing the different generations of Pokemon?

Absolutely not. Sakurai doesn't "represent" every generation of Pokemon for a reason. It isn't about that, it is about including the most important and recognizable Pokemon... minus Meowth.

 

[The Light Music Club]

(+) are good, (-) are bad, (0) are neutral

Characers:

Spoiler

0/No Ridley, but I guess its 50/50 for him at this point so I can accept it (0)

Snake not getting cut is more like a 40/60 off his favor (0)

Getting Rid of Jiggly Puff one of the 8 (-)

Dixie and K. Rool can really go either way, but I don't see Dixie as her own character being too likely (-)

Palutena seems like an obviously good choice (+)

Kalos Trainer won't happen. Sorry. Not important enough even though greninja is a beast (-)

Mewtwo, the Return (+)

Lucario staying in is in the air (0)

Chrom is (+) but Robin is (-) so that evens out to (0)

Ike can go either way of staying in (0)

Shulk is another likely one (+)

I feel like Issac is less likely, but not absurd (+)

Little Mac is a pretty likely candidate (+)

Duck Hunt and Hakkun not really sure about this, I feel like with the addition of Little mac and Megaman they will only put in 1 retro (-)

Bomberman isn't going in sorry (-)

The Decision:

Spoiler

All together you scored a solid 0 this score is neither positive nor negative meaning that I am neutral to your character list. I wouldn't be happy with it, but I wouldn't be upset with it.

Format:

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5 by 10 block is pretty decent looking (+)

Rosalina being before Bowser in the column (-)

Putting all Retros together (+)

Putting all 3rd Parties Together (+)

Shulk and Issac with FE (+)

Putting Olimar with SF (+), Captain Falcon with SF (-), not putting Samus with SF (0), it would look nicer if all the Space people were together IMO but Samus is very important so that's a (0)

Craming in Wii Fit, Villager and Little Mac. You could have avoided this (-)

The Decision:

Spoiler

All together you scored a solid +2 nice job! Although it is not the smoothest, you have clearly put some effort into the formatting of your list which I respect.

The Result: Not a bad list, but some of it is quite unlikely. The formatting needs just a little bit of work

Spoiler

You scored a +2 congrats it's positive!

Do you mind doing that with mine? I'm curious: http://smashboards.com/threads/roster-prediction-discussion-thread.336018/page-2166#post-16257173

 

[Knight Dude]

Am I the only one that thinks representing the different types of Pokemon is more important than representing the different generations of Pokemon?

Probably not. But you could easily do both at the same time if need be. So few Pokemon types were really used. I would want to see a Dark Type be playable myself. Maybe Zoroark, Darkrai,or Tyranitar(though the latter isn't all that likely). We already had Fire,Water,and Grass, so I guess we any other starters. Lucario is a good fighting type. And very few Psychic types could do as good of a job as Mewtwo.

Now that I think of it, a Dragon Type would be cool too.

 

[Morbi]

Probably not. But you could easily do both at the same time if need be. So few Pokemon types were really used. I would want to see a Dark Type be playable myself. Maybe Zoroark, Darkrai,or Tyranitar(though the latter isn't all that likely). We already had Fire,Water,and Grass, so I guess we any other starters. Lucario is a good fighting type. And very few Psychic types could do as good of a job as Mewtwo.

Now that I think of it, a Dragon Type would be cool too.

Mega Charizard X confirmed?

 

[Arcanir]

It's a big part of the classic Anime's Jigglypuff, but we're past that, and it's time to embrace new alternatives. Jigglypuff's main power comes from its voice, so it should use moves like Hyper Voice, Uproar, Disarming Voice, Round and more.

The thing is the anime's portrayal of the character is easily the most influential and iconic interpretation of it and its sing shtick is the most recognizable aspect of the character and can't really be removed.

I do agree with the idea of turning Jigglypuff's moveset into a more vocal playstyle, but I'd leave Sing on there since it's still a move that many remember for for.

Mega Charizard X confirmed?

Only if Charizard Y is there alongside him.

 

[Opossum]

I say get rid of pound and rollout, move sing to neutral B and make it more useful, Make it's up B fairy wind creating a pink tornado around it you could control and making it's side B dazzling gleam stunning opponents like mewtwos disable. Also give it a moonblast final smash and add pink sparkle effects to it's A moves

They should never remove Pound; it's a great move.

 

[SchAlternate]

Wouldn't it be cool if Jigglypuff floated upwards as it "dances" while singing in midair?

 

[Hotfeet444]

The thing is the anime's portrayal of the character is easily the most influential and iconic interpretation of it and its sing shtick is the most recognizable aspect of the character and can't really be removed.

I do agree with the idea of turning Jigglypuff's moveset into a more vocal playstyle, but I'd leave Sing on there since it's still a move that many remember for for.

If anything, Sing should be one of her taunts.

 

[Morbi]

They should never remove Pound; it's a great move.

It makes her recovery so god-like. It is also really fun to just throw out randomly. My favorite move, for the longest time, I thought it was supposed to be double-slap.

 

[SmashShadow]

I like the idea of sing being a taunt. Maybe change her forward smash to reflect Hyper voice and change up B to be fairy wind with which she'd puff out a small gust giving her a small vertical boost will damaging those below her.

 

[Gune]

If anything, Sing should be one of her taunts.

or atleast make it long enough so that can actually hit people, 9 times out of 10 the opponent wakes up before your even done singing.

 

[Arcadenik]

Wouldn't it be cool if Jigglypuff floated upwards as it "dances" while singing in midair?

Yeah, that would be better... the anime used to make it look like Jigglypuff was floating while singing.

Oh, yeah... that's right, Meowth for Smash!

 

[Morbi]

or atleast make it long enough so that can actually hit people, 9 times out of 10 the opponent wakes up before your even done singing.

9/10? It is more like 10/10 unless you sing mid-air a few seconds before and they are stupid enough to stand there (instead of moving or punishing). So yeah... 9/10 makes sense. If they keep sing, it needs some major buffs.