Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[8-peacock-8]

I made an alternate roster with him in along side newtwo, but had to cut palutena to fit it:


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... also made the alt costumes a bit more reasonable (only 10)... with only 10 it could be within the realm of POSSIBILITY to make them only semi clones, or at least a few of them semi-clones:

Dr. Mario, Lucina, Dixie, Wolf, Lucas, and possibly Alph could all be semi-clones while the rest are just straight costume changes...

Note: Wii Fit Trainers alt costume is a male version just didn't have an icon.

I do feel like I'm on to something here with a masked Lucina costume for Marth so we can squeeze in an awakening rep while keeping the 3 FE reps Smash has had already.

Yeah......Wolf as an alt would be insulting. He may have had the same specials as Fox and Falco but he was not a clone at all if you looked at his A moves.

 

[mimgrim]

5.Thing is Chrom isn't the most popular character in Awakening. Not by a longshot. Lucina and Tharja both top him. () My Unit does as well. So if Sakurai wants to include a popular character from Awakening, than he should include one of them right?

Chrom is more popular then you think. And polls have proved that. The 2 most popular characters in FE worldwide is Chrom and Lucina with Lucina probably being a bit more popular. But polls have proved that both Chrom and Lucina are the most popular FEA characters. That the only problem I had here. Continue on with your discussion now~

 

[3Bismyname]

Very true. Usually when I think of rosters, I keep the three tied together, or Zelda and Pokemon being the second most represented since they are the next most popular franchises. They have had the same amount of reps since Melee.

the only reason ive ever had less Zelda reps is because, unlike the Mario and Pokemon series, they don't have as many deserving characters after having its core 3 in the game already. but thats just my opinion. in my rosters Zelda would only have 1 less character which i feel is just fine personally.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Chrom is more popular then you think. And polls have proved that. The 2 most popular characters in FE worldwide is Chrom and Lucina with Lucina probably being a bit more popular. But polls have proved that both Chrom and Lucina are the most popular FEA characters. That the only problem I had here. Continue on with your discussion now~

Why are you treating one poll as many polls?

 

[mimgrim]

Why are you treating one poll as many polls?

*I've seen other polls saying the same thing. There was also the poll on FB where I'm pretty sure chrom got voted pretty freaking high along with Lucina. There's more proof of Chrom and Lucina being the most popular charatcer from FEA worldwide then the others. e_e

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

If we're talking about the same FB poll as the one hosted officially on Nintendo's page, then both Henry and Walhart both curbstomped Chrom in popularity. Guess that makes them suddenly viable for smash on part of being popular as well.

 

[jaytalks]

1.It got him planned. And he would have gotten in if there was more time. Regardless, the fan demand was the thing I was focusing on. Chrom does not have fan demand. I assure you that. Just look at Shortie's poll.

2. Yet he still creams most other new characters as well. Veteran status or not, people want him more than other characters. Sakurai will notice this.

3. Mewtwo will not be a main part of X and Y, I assure you. Sakurai has to talk to character's creator regardless of who the creator is. That's just how licensing works. He has only ASKED FOR ADVICE once. For Ike. In Melee he knew he wanted Marth and changed his mind for Roy when he saw that he could stand out more than Sigurd, who was his plan before seeing Roy.

STOP USING THE WORD RELEVANCE, YOUR USING IT WRONG!!!

4. Sakurai has NEVER stated that sales mattered. He put R.O.B. as a character. He bombed! He puts Mother characters in. Mother does not sell as well as people think.

5.Thing is Chrom isn't the most popular character in Awakening. Not by a longshot. Lucina and Tharja both top him. () My Unit does as well. So if Sakurai wants to include a popular character from Awakening, than he should include one of them right?

1. The game roster was finalized in 2006. Sonic managed to be added after the date. There was no "he would have gotten in with more time." One victory theme and a few other files does not a character make. Time would not necessarily result in those characters because that's not how those game design works. People have taken a small amount of data and extrapolated it into this convoluted theory that they treat as a fact. Source: http://www.smashboards.com/threads/gdc-2008-meeting-masahiro-sakurai.146816/
2. People vote him for because they like his style moreso than his character. And it's unfair to put him a poll with newcomers, since he (and Mewtwo) have a fully planned moveset and have already ready been implemented in the series. It's like if there was a short film contest, and newcomers can only bring in scripts but veterans like Roy and Mewtwo get to bring a full ten minute film, with help from some big studio for special effects.
3. He got his own big fancy announcement. And IS still had to show him Roy in order to for him to see him. So IS did put in their input for character inclusion. Which is what I said.
4. I said sales are a factor in a multitude of factors. There are other factors to include characters like ROB and Mother. But in terms of sales, increased sales and reception can bring a game to prominence and make it more likely to bring fans to Smash. But, he has said that the first thing he thinks about including a character "is will this character get people to buy a game." It's easiest way to tell if a character has an audience.
5. Chrom is very popular among the male characters and topped the generation 1 poll for his game in Japan. I personally prefer Lucina (who is probably the most popular character in the game) but I can recognize Chrom's likelihood due to other factors over Lucina, and despite I'm not a huge fan of Chrom, I can recognize his likelihood over someone like Roy.

As for Sakurai going for Intelligent Systems for new suggestions, that is certainly possible, but it's not a sure thing either. Remember that Intelligence System is much more lax with characters than the Pokémon Company is so they can't just say "no" to Sakurai if he wants to use Roy over Chrom and chances are great Sakurai will want to see Roy back even if he also wants to see Chrom in. It's also possible that Sakurai is satisfied with just Marth, Ike and Roy considering those three are what will make the most amount of people happy. Even if Sakurai does go for Intelligence System to discuss characters, it probably won't be just to see who's the new character, but rather to discuss character representation overall and in-depth discussion over Marth, Ike, Roy, Chrom and what to do in regards to characters.The point is, considering how poor FE9 sold, sales did not contribute to Ike's inclusion in SSB4. If they wanted a character with good sales, they would have picked a character from FE7. Also, there is zero evidence indicating that sales play any part in character inclusions.But the vast majority of people who play Fire Emblem do play Smash; especially in the West. Including an Awakening character will have a negligible effect on sales. We are at the point where characters by themselves simply won't sell games anymore because there are no necessary characters left. Even Mewtwo's exclusion (as dumb as a decision as it would be, not that Mewtwo would miss out) would have minimal impact on sales by itself.

Being a part of the forbidden 7 doesn't help him. That was a list of characters who were cut from the game. I don't see anyone arguing this for Toon Zelda. And even then, as I've said: The Brawl roster was finalized in 2006. Sonic was added after this proving that was no plans. There was no "those characters would have gotten in with more time." One victory theme and a few other files is very different than a character being made. It was data on a disk that we as fans aren't supposed to see (and definitely not make assumptions from) because it gives you an incomplete picture of development. People have taken a small amount of data and extrapolated it into this convoluted theory that they treat as a fact. Source: http://www.smashboards.com/threads/gdc-2008-meeting-masahiro-sakurai.146816/

I don't get your logic in the next paragraph. If Chrom isn't included they will go straight to Roy and declone him? There are plenty of other characters to consider, including Robin and Lucina. And having a stage is very different than having a character, and won't placate Awakening fans. Just look at Brawl and Animal Crossing and 4 and the Villager. Having a character is a completely different dynamic for a game, and very different effect on its fans. And I'm someone who wants Krystal as a Wolf like semi-clone without a staff as her main weapon, and not for any of the reasons you specified.

It's less legitimate because he's wanted very less in compared to other veterans. Just look how he did in Shortie's poll in relation to other veterans. ROB is a different type of character (considering he was a peripheral not a character in a game), so it doesn't make sense to compare the situations.

The thing is FE6 is tied with FE13 on famitsu (still the most reputable source in Japan). I'm not sure about the other site, but a fan aggregate is different than the most reputable outlet in Japan. If we take that one site into account, FE13 benefits from having more different gaming outlets reviewing the game. FE13 has received universal acclaim on metacritic, the first game to do such: http://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/fire-emblem-awakening. That means it has been more well received by more gaming outlets. Unfortunately, FE6 never got that chance, but that's how critical acclaim works; you need to be reviewed a lot to get more of it. I'm sure if FE4 was released world wide, it'd be among the list of greatest SNES games. But it never did, so it can never reach the same status as other SNES games.

I have yet to see a poll where he outranks Mega Man. That's probably because there has never been an official release of any type of poll like that, and the poll that got Mega Man in this time was based on third party character. That said, it makes more sense to place them among veterans because people are voting for a familiarity and playstyle when it comes to voting for this character. Even then, Mewtwo is in a much different league than Roy in terms of this even (look at Shortie's poll and their standing among veterans). And all the DLC was planned at the same time, they just rolled out the DLC in waves. And every game (and one main character) got DLC. This doesn't work in favor of Roy because all the other main character got it.

I was just saying that is possible. Never said it was a sure thing. But Sakurai does not purely do things just to make fans happy. Fans forget Sakurai has repeatedly not included characters with popularity like Ridley. There are other factors (most important of which is Sakurai's own artistic integrity). It's not more likely what IS will offer (whether its characters or how to make the characters work). They could do both, neither, or one. There is no probably to which he'll do.

But in terms of sales, poor selling games don't get sequels (Ike got one). There are obvious exceptions, but generally, if a game makes money, the developer usually wants to make more money from it. Ike's sales weren't the best, but they were good. And good enough for Nintendo. It's quite annoying for people to bash his sales like that to make a point. Like I said, sales is just one factor. Sales are an easy factor to bring up because their data is universally agreed upon characters. There is definitely a correlation between franchise representation and sales. Sales are the easiest measure of popularity for a franchise and a game as well. I think assuming all FE fans (or even a majority) play Smash vastly underestimates FE's fanbase. It's a great strategy RPG series with not a lot of genre crossover with Smash. It has many fans outside of Smash. Including a popular character can only increase, but not including a character won't decrease sales. There is no way to conclude whether characters directly affect sales because there are other factors (that go into sales), but character inclusion has only an additive effect. Characters definitely aren't interchangeable, even within a series, which is why we are having this discussion.

 

[Frostwraith]

Fast thread is fast. Anyway...

Regarding the talk about crossovers a few pages back (with mentions of Kingdom Hearts and Project X Zone):
Since when do crossovers have to make sense? What is a crossover "with sense" in the first place?
What makes Super Smash Bros. a crossover "with sense" in the first place, going by that claim?

 

[Silverjay323]

Roy getting in over Chrom? Looks like the Mewtwo "consideration" has spoiled everyone. Surely we're not getting two Melee characters back.

 

[N3ON]

Roy getting in over Chrom? Looks like the Mewtwo "consideration" has spoiled everyone. Surely we're not getting two Melee characters back.

People thought getting both Mewtwo and Roy back was a possibility long before Sakurai's recent statements about Mewtwo. As they are the two most popular requests in Japan, I'd say the possibility of getting both isn't unheard of.

 

[FalKoopa]

Roy getting in over Chrom? Looks like the Mewtwo "consideration" has spoiled everyone. Surely we're not getting two Melee characters back.

It's not impossible now, is it?

 

[Hotfeet444]

People thought getting both Mewtwo and Roy back was a possibility long before Sakurai's recent statements about Mewtwo. As they are the two most popular requests in Japan, I'd say the possibility of getting both isn't unheard of.

But of course, add Mewtwo and give Marth a Roy Costume. :3

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Here's the 12 DLC characters that goes along with my roster, mostly consisting of new characters. For those of you who is wondering why I have Medusa as opposed to characters like Hades and Dark Pit, here me out. She may have her rolse diminished in Uprising, but that doesn't mean she isn't important to the KI franchise as a whole. She is the sworn nemesis of both Pit and Palutena and had a longer history with them than the likes of Hades and Dark Pit. She was a major plot point in the original for kidnapping Palutena after her horrifying punishment from her and tortured the humans beforehand. She had her own army and henchmen at that time before she was revived and used as Hades's pawn. Despite being just a pawn, she had a major role in the story as the starting point for Pit's new journey in Uprising, stood out from everyone for being serious and not that comical, and was heavily promoted in the trailers and commercials (though it was just to keep Hades a secret). Also, you may want to give her some credit for saving Pit's life and dealing some damage to Hades before dying. She's getting a little more attention in the fanbase this time of year thanks to the Year of the Snake and and was as memorable as Pit to classic/NES gamers before Uprising existed (Captain N, X-Play, ect.). I like Hades as a character, but he would be more entertaining as being part of a special codec with Pit where he breaks the forth wall and insult the other fighters. Entertaining is what Hades does best unlike Medusa. Besides, having Hades over her would be like having Skull Kid over Ganon and Wart over Bowser. Character-wise, she could be much easier to make as a fighter due to having a similar body structure to Palutena. That doesn't mean she could be a straight up clone, but have some unique moves involving darkness and snakes. Before you dare say "She's too big!", look at how small her "human" form is in the original Kid Icarus after you defeat her. My point stands, Medusa would be the most logical idea of the third Kid Icarus rep.

 

[Silverjay323]

People thought getting both Mewtwo and Roy back was a possibility long before Sakurai's recent statements about Mewtwo. As they are the two most popular requests in Japan, I'd say the possibility of getting both isn't unheard of.

It's not impossible now, is it?

Of course it isn't impossible, but to say he'd get in over Chrom simply and only because of popularity is a little far fetched in my opinion.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

More Fire Emblem Arguments?

Spoiler

Edit: HEY U GIEZ Y U GOTTA SUPPORT ROY. didn't u hear that chrom/lucina/robin is inevitable bcuz of recentness sales and nobody else has a shot!

 

[FalKoopa]

I found this roster in the display thread. Seems legit.

I would really like three things from this list. Marina Liteyears, Jigglypuff to be replaced by Wigglytuff, and Dixie Kong. Everything else I would really really enjoy, but they aren't anything I would lose sleep over.

 

[kikaru]

If we're talking about the same FB poll as the one hosted officially on Nintendo's page, then both Henry and Walhart both curbstomped Chrom in popularity. Guess that makes them suddenly viable for smash on part of being popular as well.

I'm 25% sure that Golden rigged that poll so that people can recognize the beast that is Walhart.

 

[papagenos]

The one I highlighted really irks me...especially considering Wolf was his own unique character that shared none of Fox/Falco's animations aside from a final Smash. All Wolf would need is a tweak to his special moves and he's his own completely unique character since all of his A attacks are different, including his grabs and his dash/Smash attacks, nothing he has in that section is like Fox or Falco. I'm sorry but...did you ever even play Wolf in Brawl? One fight could easily show he's very different than Fox and Falco. Falco and Fox are so alike they even share throws.

Yeah......Wolf as an alt would be insulting. He may have had the same specials as Fox and Falco but he was not a clone at all if you looked at his A moves.

wow wolf fans sure like to bite This was just a thought not an insult to the characters or even a full prediction for what the roster will be...mostly just tossing the alt costume idea around to get a good roster. Also I said "Semi-Clone" literally like lucas/ness the only reason I picked wolf over falco as the alt form was cause him and fox could be more similar design/hitbox wise then fox and falco (body shape).

 

[8-peacock-8]

So how would you guys feel if this was the roster we got?

Also, for those that don't know. This is NOT my realistic roster but it's almost the same i guess.

wow wolf fans sure like to bite This was just a thought not an insult to the characters or even a full prediction for what the roster will be...mostly just tossing the alt costume idea around to get a good roster. Also I said "Semi-Clone" literally like lucas/ness the only reason I picked wolf over falco as the alt form was cause him and fox could be more similar design/hitbox wise then fox and falco (body shape).

1. I'm not a Wolf fan.

2. Makes sense but there are other costumes you could use for Fox that actually fit him. Instead of turning him into another character who should have just stayed playable.

 

[MagnesD3]

Of course it isn't impossible, but to say he'd get in over Chrom simply and only because of popularity is a little far fetched in my opinion.

Its more of the fact mewtwo and roy were meant to be included in brawl.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Anyone seen my DLC list at all? -_-

 

[8-peacock-8]

Here's the 12 DLC characters that goes along with my roster, mostly consisting of new characters. For those of you who is wondering why I have Medusa as opposed to characters like Hades and Dark Pit, here me out. She may have her rolse diminished in Uprising, but that doesn't mean she isn't important to the KI franchise as a whole. She is the sworn nemesis of both Pit and Palutena and had a longer history with them than the likes of Hades and Dark Pit. She was a major plot point in the original for kidnapping Palutena after her horrifying punishment from her and tortured the humans beforehand. She had her own army and henchmen at that time before she was revived and used as Hades's pawn. Despite being just a pawn, she had a major role in the story as the starting point for Pit's new journey in Uprising, stood out from everyone for being serious and not that comical, and was heavily promoted in the trailers and commercials (though it was just to keep Hades a secret). Also, you may want to give her some credit for saving Pit's life and dealing some damage to Hades before dying. She's getting a little more attention in the fanbase this time of year thanks to the Year of the Snake and and was as memorable as Pit to classic/NES gamers before Uprising existed (Captain N, X-Play, ect.). I like Hades as a character, but he would be more entertaining as being part of a special codec with Pit where he breaks the forth wall and insult the other fighters. Entertaining is what Hades does best unlike Medusa. Besides, having Hades over her would be like having Skull Kid over Ganon and Wart over Bowser. Character-wise, she could be much easier to make as a fighter due to having a similar body structure to Palutena. That doesn't mean she could be a straight up clone, but have some unique moves involving darkness and snakes. Before you dare say "She's too big!", look at how small her "human" form is in the original Kid Icarus after you defeat her. My point stands, Medusa would be the most logical idea of the third Kid Icarus rep.

I see Medusa. Automatic agreement.

 

[jaytalks]

Its more of the fact mewtwo and roy were meant to be included in brawl.

There weren't meant to be included. They were not a part of the roster since 2006. The roster was finalized in 2006 and then they added Sonic afterward due to fan demand. The forbidden 7 data is not an indication of them almost being in the the game. We don't know what it means, but it's not something that was meant to be seen in the first place. It's an incomplete picture of development. Source: http://www.smashboards.com/threads/gdc-2008-meeting-masahiro-sakurai.146816/

 

[MagnesD3]

There weren't meant to be included. They were not a part of the roster since 2006. The roster was finalized in 2006 and then they added Sonic afterward due to fan demand. The forbidden 7 data is not an indication of them almost being in the the game. We don't know what it means, but it's not something that was meant to be seen in the first place. It's an incomplete picture of development. Source: http://www.smashboards.com/threads/gdc-2008-meeting-masahiro-sakurai.146816/

Well since its unknown what it means Im going to say thats probably what it meant he was going to include them but probably didnt have the time to work on more characters (special circumstances for sonic).

 

[Robert of Normandy]

There weren't meant to be included. They were not a part of the roster since 2006. The roster was finalized in 2006 and then they added Sonic afterward due to fan demand. The forbidden 7 data is not an indication of them almost being in the the game.

It's more that some characters have. The fact that there is ANY data AT ALL for them means that at some point they were being developed, otherwise why would the dev team even bother including data/space for a character they weren't going to use?

Edit: the fact is that even if they WEREN'T being developed at some point, they were at the very least under consideration, and as others have pointed out, Sakurai likes to go back and revisit ideas he didn't or couldn't move forward on in previous games.

We don't know what it means, but it's not something that was meant to be seen in the first place

There's a lot of stuff that isn't "meant to be seen" in the world that people get to see anyway. That stuff Edward Snowden leaked probably wasn't meant to be seen either, so by your logic people shouldn't be making all that big of a deal about it.

 

[jaytalks]

Anyone seen my DLC list at all? -_-

Zael is third party I think so I don't think we'll see him.
Krystal, Medusa, Roy, Masked Man, Goroh, Saki, and Mach Rider are all good choices.
Waluigi isn't the best of Mario reps, and I don't think people will buy him as much another mario rep. Pokemon is already gen1 heavy so I would prefer a pokemon from another generation. I am for Tingle with Zelda, but he would be unlikely as DLC. I think if we get Toon Link back, we could get Classic Link for DLC. I'm not sure if people will buy Waddle Dee DLC.

I think DLC if it happens will be popular characters who didn't make the cut plus one or two retro adds. They have to be characters that the Smash community would be willing to buy. Also they should be characters that seem easy to make. 12 also seems like a lot. I think we will get ten at most, and even that's a lot. There are more roster restrictions due to the 3DS version.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Zael is third party I think so I don't think we'll see him.

Zael is owned by Nintendo.

 

[N3ON]

Anyone seen my DLC list at all? -_-

It's a fine list for secondary choices, I just doubt we'll be getting 12 DLC characters, and I think the majority of DLC characters will be cut veterans or partially programmed characters, of which I don't see your twelve making up a large majority. But I'd definitely buy them all if they were offered.

There weren't meant to be included. They were not a part of the roster since 2006. The roster was finalized in 2006 and then they added Sonic afterward due to fan demand. The forbidden 7 data is not an indication of them almost being in the the game. We don't know what it means, but it's not something that was meant to be seen in the first place. It's an incomplete picture of development. Source: http://www.smashboards.com/threads/gdc-2008-meeting-masahiro-sakurai.146816/

Just because they were cut doesn't mean they weren't meant to be included. The fact that they were partially programmed means the were meant to be included, especially Mewtwo and Roy, who were further along than the others. Not making the cut once doesn't mean Sakurai is going to forget about them.

 

[MexM]

I would love to see Henry in Smash Bros.! But that's just bias because he is my favorite character. I still support him even when he has no real chance :#

 

[Deleted member]

I'm 25% sure that Golden rigged that poll so that people can recognize the beast that is Walhart.

My secret is out!



Though to be serious, I learned of Walhart's beastliness long after the poll.

 

[8-peacock-8]

So how would you guys feel if this was the roster we got?

Also, for those that don't know. This is NOT my realistic roster but it's almost the same i guess.

 

[Starbound]

King Boo is a weird choice. Also no Wolf is kinda disappointing.

 

[8-peacock-8]

King Boo is a weird choice. Also no Wolf is kinda disappointing.

Honestly, i'm not sure whether Wolf will stay or not. But at least he isn't a costume!

 

[FalKoopa]

1.King Boo is a strange choice, but I like it.
2I. prefer Toon Link.
3. No Ike, No Like.
4. No Wolf either.

 

[8-peacock-8]

1.King Boo is a strange choice, but I like it.
2I. prefer Toon Link.
3. No Ike, No Like.
4. No Wolf either.

Guess you're glad it's not my real roster then.

 

[jaytalks]

It's a fine list for secondary choices, I just doubt we'll be getting 12 DLC characters, and I think the majority of DLC characters will be cut veterans or partially programmed characters, of which I don't see your twelve making up a large majority. But I'd definitely buy them all if they were offered.


Just because they were cut doesn't mean they weren't meant to be included. The fact that they were partially programmed means the were meant to be included, especially Mewtwo and Roy, who were further along than the others. Not making the cut once doesn't mean Sakurai is going to forget about them.

The concept that the roster was finalized precisely indicates that he did not mean to include them. That's the whole point. If the roster was finalized in 2006, that means there was no work being done on the forbidden 7 after roster finalization, because they aren't on the final roster. And Mewtwo and Roy weren't that much farther along than the others when you compare it to how much work actually goes into being a character. I don't think Sakurai is going to forget about them, but I don't think them barely getting any development counts for much in terms of game programming.

It's more that some characters have. The fact that there is ANY data AT ALL for them means that at some point they were being developed, otherwise why would the dev team even bother including data/space for a character they weren't going to use?

Edit: the fact is that even if they WEREN'T being developed at some point, they were at the very least under consideration, and as others have pointed out, Sakurai likes to go back and revisit ideas he didn't or couldn't move forward on in previous games.

There's a lot of stuff that isn't "meant to be seen" in the world that people get to see anyway. That stuff Edward Snowden leaked probably wasn't meant to be seen either, so by your logic people shouldn't be making all that big of a deal about it.

They were being developed, and were dropped before or when the roster was finalized. This happens all the time with the development of games. Levels are dropped and characters are dropped. They don't need to take out the data because you're not supposed to hack the game. We usually don't know the reasons, but it's best not to make assumptions behind developers' intention. So we shouldn't assume or even postulate that they were going to be in the final product with more time, especially since a finalization of roster was done in 2006. The game was originally set to be released in lat 2007, and was delayed twice, once for february, and another time for march. So that needed more time to finish the roster and game we have now.

By not meant to be seen, I mean in terms of art and media. You can't look at the jam sessions for a song and treat it as a final product. If a unedited or unfinished scene is cut from the final film and isnt included in deleted scenes, you shouldn't look to it for answers for the film because it was cut for a reason. You don't take a picture of an unfinished painting and complained about its use of negative space, or something that the painter would eventually paint over. In all these cases, you are looking at incomplete part of the art, and you don't get a full view of what is meant to be. In game development, there is literally tons of stuff that are conceptualized and partially developed that don't make it to the game.

Sakurai has revisited ideas like the Villager and it's possible he could revisit any of the ideas from the last game. The problem with that line of thinking is the Villager idea is that wasnt something that was in the published product at all; it's an idea that the team did not move forward with. There can be any number of ideas like the Villager. It doesn't mean they are all likely. it's why people generally don't use this argument for Plusle and Minun.
And I don't get how revisiting a veteran like Roy or Mewtwo is similar to the Villager. Putting them on the roster would be not the same type of revisiting an idea that the Villager. Revisiting the idea of the Villager was revisiting the concept; revisiting these two would be adding an older character from a previously published product. It's a very different process than conceptualizing a brand new fighter to incorporate their series and unique fighting style.

Well since its unknown what it means Im going to say thats probably what it meant he was going to include them but probably didnt have the time to work on more characters (special circumstances for sonic).

Since they aren't part of the roster, that actually means he and his team did not mean to include them.The roster was finalized in 2006 and the game was released in 2008. It's far more likely that they did preliminary development for these characters, with Roy and Mewtwo getting the farthest, but they were ultimately cut before or when the roster was finalized. There is nothing indicating he meant to include them because they aren't on the final roster. There is nothing indicating they would have worked on them if he had more time, since he needed more time to finish the overall roster and game (delayed in 2007, and again from february to march of 2008).

 

[Sebz]

Well, I went back to the drawing board and had to make several compromises with my roster. However, with the possibility of DLC, I moved some of my wanted characters to there. So, here we go again:

ROSTER + DLC + ALTERNATES COSTUMES:​

Edits from my previous roster:
-Added Little Mac. The support for this guy is too strong to ignore.
-Put back K. Rool. After realizing that Japan requested him as well, I knew he had to come back.
-Put back Ike. He has a fanbase and a is a vet.
-Split Samus and ZSS. Did this mostly due to roster positioning, since I kinda wanted most of the villains on the same row.
-Removed Vaati, Hector and Genesect. Threw them into DLC territory because, as much as I want them, I realize now that they're probably not big enough (at least not yet for Genesect) to be in the main roster.
-Switched Pac-Man with Lloyd. I just don't like Pac-Man that much and Lloyd seems like he could bring more to the table.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Well, I went back to the drawing board and had to make several compromises with my roster. However, with the possibility of DLC, I moved some of my wanted characters to there. So, here we go again:

ROSTER + DLC + ALTERNATES COSTUMES:​

Edits from my previous roster:
-Added Little Mac. The support for this guy is too strong to ignore.
-Put back K. Rool. After realizing that Japan requested him as well, I knew he had to come back.
-Put back Ike. He has a fanbase and a is a vet.
-Split Samus and ZSS. Did this mostly due to roster positioning, since I kinda wanted most of the villains on the same row.
-Removed Vaati, Hector and Genesect. Threw them into DLC territory because, as much as I want them, I realize now that they're probably not big enough (at least not yet for Genesect) to be in the main roster.
-Switched Pac-Man with Lloyd. I just don't like Pac-Man that much and Lloyd seems like he could bring more to the table.

Nice to see a guy still holding out for Lloyd. (kind of surprises me for reasons)

I honestly wouldn't mind Lloyd at all. Even if the guy was a boring character, TO ME.

 

[Sebz]

Nice to see a guy still holding out for Lloyd. (kind of surprises me for reasons)

I honestly wouldn't mind Lloyd at all. Even if the guy was a boring character, TO ME.

It's not that I'm a big fan of the guy, but between him and Pac-Man, Lloyd seems like the most interesting choice.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Are we still arguing over Roy? Roy has more merit than just being in the forbidden 7 in case you don't know that.