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I'm actually very curious to know how many people have actually played Sin and Punishment...

It's honestly one of my favorite game series so I kinda find it odd when people that are Nintendo fans say that they've never played it/don't find it worthy for Smash.
I played it (only its sequel), I think it was fun for a while till I beat the game, the difficulty was toomuch for me to come back to it.
 

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SOOOO Giegue+Mewtwo in the same game? Ninten is a more likely bet, however I'd love to see him.
Methinks you and Noah would get along quite well.

Ninten could certainly have an original moveset, (PK Teleport, etc.) but people would see him as too similar to Ness (much moreso than Lucas) and he's not that recognizable to people.

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Mewtwo of course, Giegue's design is what inspired Mewtwo's design in the first place.
Oh. I thought I knew something no one else did for once....how naive. I was basically saying Mewtwo+Giegue both in smash was kinda iffy, and Ninten was a more likely bet.
Double post? Not sure what happened here...
 

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I played it (only its sequel), I think it was fun for a while till I beat the game, the difficulty was toomuch for me to come back to it.
I totally recommend the original, it's a bit more fair, and a lot easier to play through in one sitting (and more fun to go back to). I've gotten to the point of being able to play through it on one life, can't say that about two though...
 

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If it had tons of more content (like maybe multiplayer), I would've played a lot longer. I actually love the intensity of S&P2, but as its goal of being an arcade-like, I'm not really into it.
 

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I'm actually very curious to know how many people have actually played Sin and Punishment...

It's honestly one of my favorite game series so I kinda find it odd when people that are Nintendo fans say that they've never played it/don't find it worthy for Smash.
I tried playing Star Sucessor and didn't like it's gamplay. I don't like being forced to go a specific direction like that and not have control of the direction I go, out side of a Platform though I think a Platformer still gives you more control. :/
 

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I think people took the easiest headline from that IGN interview rather than what I believe would be most important. The "no cuts" line make more sense in the context in the interview, and considering what Sakurai said after. But the most important thing would be how early in development the game still is. Unlike Brawl, which had the roster finalized (including the cuts to the forbidden 7) by sometime in 2006, the roster is not close to being finalized. And as a game early in development, there are going to issues with things like the Ice Climbers. But they hopefully will be ironed out, because it's still early in development. And so we could still see multi character combatants (because Sakurai clearly says multi character combatants). He could be referring to just the transformation characters or he could be referring to another character like the Ice Climbers.
But the most important and distressing thing is the game is still has a ways to go.
 

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Methinks you and Noah would get along quite well.

Ninten could certainly have an original moveset, (PK Teleport, etc.) but people would see him as too similar to Ness (much moreso than Lucas) and he's not that recognizable to people.

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If he likes Kingdom Hearts the we're set. I honestly can't see why he got so much hate.
Give Ninten a scarf. That'll fool 'em
I think people took the easiest headline from that IGN interview rather than what I believe would be most important. The "no cuts" line make more sense in the context in the interview, and considering what Sakurai said after. But the most important thing would be how early in development the game still is. Unlike Brawl, which had the roster finalized (including the cuts to the forbidden 7) by sometime in 2006, the roster is not close to being finalized. And as a game early in development, there are going to issues with things like the Ice Climbers. But they hopefully will be ironed out, because it's still early in development. And so we could still see multi character combatants (because Sakurai clearly says multi character combatants). He could be referring to just the transformation characters or he could be referring to another character like the Ice Climbers.
But the most important and distressing thing is the game is still has a ways to go.
Finalized roster in '06? But wasn't Sonic included close to release in '08?
 

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I'm going to have to agree with HotFeet on this one, but if we get a Mother 1 character, which I find highly unlikely to even get a new Mother character, it should be Giygas. If we were doing in general than I would choose Claus.
 

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It's very easily understood as to why you are ignored by alot of people, and the fact of what Sukapon represents going right over your head. And GODDAMMIT, I forgot to frame Habanero's sig for a moment like this.
Yes, people ignore others for doubting incredibly obscure and unlikely characters like Sukapon, keep telling yourself that. Sukapon represents a Japanese Famicom game most people don't know about. Where as a good roster would instead have Takamaru: A Japanese Famicom CLASSIC game people DO recognize and Little Mac an NES Classic people definitely recognize.

I think you are completely unaware of why maybe 2 or 3 people ignored me.

Also if you can have Palutena in the roster because of KI's popularity, then Tom Nook can be in too also because of AC's popularity.
That's not a good analogy and once again:

Tom Nook has other reasons why he's entirely unnecessary besides being a 2nd Animal Crossing rep. (Such as Villager's moveset)

I'm going to have to agree with HotFeet on this one, but if we get a Mother 1 character, which I find highly unlikely to even get a new Mother character, it should be Giygas. If we were doing in general than I would choose Claus.
Giygas is a horrible idea.

A recolor of Lucas without PSI is an even worse idea.

Giving people new moves doesn't change the fact that they are a recolor. That's like making Zero Suit Samus a seperate character, you're wasting a slot on something you can already play as within another character.
 

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The big thing that keeps me from having Sukapon in my roster is that I already have Little Mac and Sakarai previously rejected him, but he could change his mind though.
 

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You people realize Sakurai has bluntly told us not to expect Sukapon right?
 

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Yes, people ignore others for doubting incredibly obscure and unlikely characters like Sukapon, keep telling yourself that. Sukapon represents a Japanese Famicom game most people don't know about. Where as a good roster would instead have Takamaru: A Japanese Famicom CLASSIC game people DO recognize and Little Mac an NES Classic people definitely recognize.

I think you are completely unaware of why maybe 2 or 3 people ignored me.
So let me get this straight...your excuse for not having Sukapon is that not many people know about him...you can't be serious. Super Smash Bros is Nintendo's most popular advertising, that only adds to adding him in even more. And you say that, but you add Sheriff to your own roster, a character just as obscure and unknown as Sukapon. If we're going by characters nobody knows about, the same goes for pretty much the Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch and the Fire Emblem characters in Melee as well as Lucas and R.O.B. in Brawl. And for that last part, is that the superiority complex talking or are you really that ignorant?
 

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You people realize Sakurai has bluntly told us not to expect Sukapon right?
He can always change his mind. Remember when he said Villager would not fit in the game because the universe he originates from lacks violence?
 

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That's what I just said...
You ninja'd me.


He can always change his mind. Remember when he said Villager would not fit in the game because the universe he originates from lacks violence?
Thing is, he backtracked in the same interview stating how he COULD make it work.

He bluntly said no to Sukapon. There's even a rumor that Sakurai promised a Japanese fan that he would at least put a Sukapon trophy in the game. He has no trophy whatsoever. Sakurai doesn't see Sukapon as anything special.
 

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I'd love to see Ninten teleport on screen, immediately get an asthma attack and everybody just stares at him.

Remember when he said Villager would not fit in the game because the universe he originates from lacks violence?
.................................No.
 

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You ninja'd me.



Thing is, he backtracked in the same interview stating how he COULD make it work.

He bluntly said no to Sukapon. There's even a rumor that Sakurai promised a Japanese fan that he would at least put a Sukapon trophy in the game. He has no trophy whatsoever. Sakurai doesn't see Sukapon as anything special.

Didn't you said early he "bluntly" told us to not EXPECT him? And that's just a rumor.
 

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It's more along the lines of he blatantly hates the character as well. He also hates Starfy as well. But regardless, Sukapon is an important character to the history of Nintendo's fighters.
I doubt hate is the problem. That doesn't seem like Sakurai.

More of just too obscure.

Plus he doesn't hate Starfy. I know that much.

Didn't you said early he "bluntly" told us to not EXPECT him? And that's just a rumor.
"Don't expect this character anytime soon."

Is saying no. Don't look into it THAT much.

That's why I stated it as a rumor.
 

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So let me get this straight...your excuse for not having Sukapon is that not many people know about him...you can't be serious. Super Smash Bros is Nintendo's most popular advertising, that only adds to adding him in even more. And you say that, but you add Sheriff to your own roster, a character just as obscure and unknown as Sukapon. If we're going by characters nobody knows about, the same goes for pretty much the Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch and the Fire Emblem characters in Melee as well as Lucas and R.O.B. in Brawl. And for that last part, is that the superiority complex talking or are you really that ignorant?
R.O.B. is obscure........................okay I'm gonna pass on commenting on that.

Sheriff, while also on the same level of Sukapon is slightly not as obscure, for one he was international, and he represents an arcade rep and was Nintendo's first game. Also comparing Sukapon to Ice Climbers and MR. GAME & WATCH?

Game & Watch games were a bit more of a classic than you think. Also the Game & Watch Gallery series on Gameboy.

Look, I never said Sukapon is the WORST idea for a character. The point is other characters are FAR more deserving. So cool your jets. Again even the slightest doubt of a requested character can lead to people getting angry. If you can't agree with anything that's not your roster than don't bother messaging.

I doubt hate is the problem. That doesn't seem like Sakurai.

More of just too obscure.
Starfy is obscure..........what they were like 4 GBA installments and a 5th western release. I hardly think that's obscure. And for the other guy Sakurai isn't making this game for himself.
 

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But didn't he said it since the Melee days? It's been a long time, his mind could have just changed.
 

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If he likes Kingdom Hearts the we're set. I honestly can't see why he got so much hate.
Give Ninten a scarf. That'll fool 'em

Finalized roster in '06? But wasn't Sonic included close to release in '08?
The roster was finalized in 2006 including the cut forbidden 7, not including Sonic. Sonic was not a part of the original croster, and was added later in 2007 because he was the most demanded character and they worked everything out with SEGA. Since he was so in demand, they put a great deal extra work and get him in.
Source: http://www.smashboards.com/threads/gdc-2008-meeting-masahiro-sakurai.146816/
 

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Sheriff, while also on the same level of Sukapon is slightly not as obscure, for one he was international, and he represents an arcade rep and was Nintendo's first game. Also comparing Sukapon to Ice Climbers and MR. GAME & WATCH?

Game & Watch games were a bit more of a classic than you think. Also the Game & Watch Gallery series on Gameboy.

Look, I never said Sukapon is the WORST idea for a character. The point is other characters are FAR more deserving. So cool your jets. Again even the slightest doubt of a requested character can lead to people getting angry. If you can't agree with anything that's not your roster than don't bother messaging.
Glad to see the point of what I meant by comparing Mr. Game & Watch and Ice Climbers to Sukapon on the level of being known by the overall masses of today, not on terms of success and being popular, went flying clean over your head. I wonder how that "FWOOSH" noise sounds when that happens. And I'm not angry, what's the point of getting angry at something on the internet? And glad to see that you're really that narrow-minded to think that I argue against ideas that aren't on my roster, but rather think of things that actually make sense/fit in the game, and one thing I'd like to say is that Sukapon is ACTUALLY a fighter. I know that really isn't a big issue, but Sukapon has that backing him up. Also...the last time I checked...Sukapon wasn't even on my roster. :rolleyes: (That roster I made is outdated and revised as of now)
 

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Sometimes the speed at which this thread moves...... e_e

But anyway to try and get onto a new subject... What 3rd part company would you want to get represented in SSB4 and by which character? Can be as unrealstic as you want. o.o I personally want Square Enix to get a rep in the form of Geno, Chron, or Joshua (TWEWY) though I cold live with Neku with him being more likely and all but I like Joshua to much for oh so many reasons.

And Swamp I like your new avi. FE ftw~
 

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Well I wouldn't say that. Roy seems like the prime choice for DLC (they would keep him as a semi-clone), in that he would be easy to make, and he seems to be popular enough that people would pay for him. So if Sakurai does include DLC, Roy would be a good choice for him to start.
I would agree on this, but it depends on who's left out of Smash 4 that may or may not be included that would probably take the first priority of being included as DLC. As long as they get out the necessary characters, I don't mind Roy as DLC, but just NOT as part of the main roster.
 

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Im with Hotfeet on the DLC thing Roy would be great for it same with pichu, Dr.Mario, and maybe old mewtwo while were at it. (that's only if the new one doesent have some kind off transformation)
 

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Sometimes the speed at which this thread moves...... e_e

But anyway to try and get onto a new subject... What 3rd part company would you want to get represented in SSB4 and by which character? Can be as unrealstic as you want. o.o I personally want Square Enix to get a rep in the form of Geno, Chron, or Joshua (TWEWY) though I cold live with Neku with him being more likely and all but I like Joshua to much for oh so many reasons.

And Swamp I like your new avi. FE ftw~
Square Enix, and repped by Sora. Others will groan, but I will cheer.

His down smash would be Explosion, his neutral B would be Ars Arcanum, his side B would be something like Strike Raid, his up B would be Stratosphere, (a move used by Ven in Birth by Sleep; it could be explaned as some of Ven's powers flowing into Sora) his down B could be a random magic spell or something.
His super moves/final smashes would be Ragnarok, Trinity Limit, and Final Form.

He'd be able to wall jump (due to Flowmotion from Dream Drop Distance) and glide.
 

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Sometimes the speed at which this thread moves...... e_e

But anyway to try and get onto a new subject... What 3rd part company would you want to get represented in SSB4 and by which character? Can be as unrealstic as you want. o.o I personally want Square Enix to get a rep in the form of Geno, Chron, or Joshua (TWEWY) though I cold live with Neku with him being more likely and all but I like Joshua to much for oh so many reasons.

And Swamp I like your new avi. FE ftw~
I'd probably pick Rare and Banjo and Kazooie. Had some really good childhood memories with their games.
 
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In short, Roy/Fiery Marth is just another case of this guy:


Overhyped and having no chance of getting in. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial at this point.
Roy is no shoe-in, but he's not even close to having no shot of getting in. While he does have competition to deal with (Chrom), Roy is extremely popular in Japan (he along with Mewtwo are the two most popular requests in Japan; even more popular than Mega Man) and is highly requested in the West as well (5th place according to Shortie's poll). He's also part of the Forbidden Seven and along with Mewtwo, was the closest character to completion.
 
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