Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Hotfeet444]

Here's a slightly updated roster of the one I have in the display thread.

You should all know by now what I mean by Chrom&Lissa. If not, well go look at my post in the display thread. .-.

Waluigi is unnecessary and not a Wario character, King Boo is not necessary, Chrom is fine on his own, K.Rool over Dixie, a switching Ganondorf is just a dumb idea, you over-repped Zelda and Pokemon over Mario, Rayman has no chance, lacking Little Mac. I can't give that roster higher than a 6.5/10

 

[TumblrFamous]

Oh yeah...Sora...*Shudders* I hate Kingdom Hearts.

I considered reporting this...

In all reality though, it's not out of the realm of possibility to have two AC reps, but for the first game it has characters, that's a little weird. There have been only three franchises that introduced two newcomers in their debut, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong): Mario with the Mario Bros, Pokemon with Pikachu and Jigglypuff, and Fire Emblem with Roy and Marth.

• The first two in the first game since they were the two most popular franchises.
• Fire Emblem in Melee was a special case, as, if not mistaken, they were originally Japanese exclusives for Melee, but due to their popularity, they were imported to the US game.

I don't know how to end this...

 

[BluePikmin11]

*RECORD SCRATCH*

I'm sorry, I kind of stopped reading after that line, when you stated that a character as different and as liked as Sukapon, who also represents Nintendo's first successful 2D Fighting game, is a WORSE character than a second Animal Crossing/3 Kid Icarus characters. And also, am I really taking a comment like this from someone who put a Baby Yoshi in his roster?

So why do you complement about Sukapon for representing something, when also Tom Nook would be in for representing the popularity of AC (and in addition) the customization side of AC.

 

[Reznor]

lacking Little Mac

but Little Mac is next to Wario

 

[PlatinumGamer64]

Dark Pit as a considerable character
Removing Pok'emon Trainer
Instant riot to the slightest doubt of the most requested character
Instant riot to thinking outside the box
Double Standards
Denial of confirmations
TP designed Link still doesn't convince people that the same will apply for other Zelda characters.

I don't visit this sight as often as I used to.......................

 

[Hotfeet444]

So why do you complement about Sukapon for representing something, when also Tom Nook would be in for representing the popularity of AC (and in addition) the customization side of AC.

Because we already have someone representing AC as a whole. Not to mention you can't really compare a second character to a smaller series than a character that is connected to Nintendo's history with games like Smash Bros.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I don't visit this sight as often as I used to.......................

You used to visit the website often 3 days ago?

 

[TumblrFamous]

Hey, Noah's back! Cool beans.

 

[mimgrim]

Waluigi is unnecessary and not a Wario character, King Boo is not necessary, Chrom is fine on his own, K.Rool over Dixie, a switching Ganondorf is just a dumb idea, you over-repped Zelda and Pokemon over Mario, Rayman has no chance, lacking Little Mac. I can't give that roster higher than a 6.5/10

Are you blind? Little Mac is there? >_> Waluigi represents the various Mario Sports and will have various moves based off of many of the Mario Sport games. Chrom + Lucina or Robin would be a great nod off to the Pair Up featur of Awakening which was a huge mechanic for the game and highley advertised and pushed. King Boo can rep Luigi's Mansion. Also if you mean that LoZ and Poke over reping SUPER Mario then yes your right, but I consider the other characters of the same universe as Mario characters they just don't represent Super Mario. Ganondorf being able to tranform into Ganon is just awesome and would be able to diversify him from Falcon. And Rool VS Dixie is jsut personal refrence for people, I think Dixie has a better chance of getting in.

 

[jaytalks]

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So yeah, explanations

-Isaac
While I initially wrote off Isaac as another sword user that was just getting in the way of my boy Saki, I quickly found out I was wrong after playing Golden Sun. Saki I'd actually see more as a Magic caster that "SOMETIMES" uses his sword, not for the majority of his moves though. Overall Isaac has potential to be one of the most unique newcomers, and that's after seeing the likes of the Villager and Wii Fit Trainer.

-Diddy is reworked to incorporate Dixie
Now this is entirly dependent on if the 3DS version can actua\lly handle the team, but as it was the original intention of Diddy it's entirely possible his moveset has a tag feature similar to the DKC games, the problem I see with this though is that Sakurai actually stated it was an idea for Brawl that got cut, which he generally does not do if he thinks he can still use the idea (refer to ddifferent interviews when asking about characters that were not able to make it in brawl) I however am optimistic, and it would give a cool spin on Diddy. I mostly want this to happen as it gives more room for K.Rool to be a possibility (I feel 4 DK characters would be far too much)

-Each Zelda character design is based around a different game
So this is a kinda odd ball choice, but there have been so many different Zelda games of late, it's a possible way to use each game. Zelda would use her Skyward Sword design, Sheik would use the OOT 3D design, Ganondorf would appear as he does in Windwaker HD, and instead of Toon Link, we get a Link between 2 worlds link. Alternatively, switch Ganondorf to Ganon, and keep Toon Link.While I think this idea is entirely possible, who knows if Sakurai would want to do that. It would however insure we get the best design of each character from Zelda, which would be sick though,

-Ridley
A no brainier at this point, I've wanted him since Melee. Don't give me that size bull crap, Ridley is scary no matter how small he is. Oh, and Metroid needs more reps then Samus, and I'd rather have a sick Space Dragon then Anthony Higgs...

-Palutena
Honestly think she's a shoe-in, Strong Female lead, extremely popular now thanks to Uprising, and could have a very interesting moveset involving her staff and magic. While Palutena may not be gurenteed, I think we are going to get a Kid Icarus rep no matter what.

-Shulk
MonolithSoft is awesome, is first party, and Xenoblade is awesome. While I'd say some reps are going to get in before him due to having series behind them, Shulk could have an awesome movest filled with Swords, techs, Monado, and maybe even a future sight ability.

-Takamaru
Now that Pit has been revived, the next logical step is obviously Link's Brother Takamaru!
If Kid Icarus is to Metroid, Nazo no Murasame Jo is to Zelda.
Takamaru has so much potential it's not even funny, he can use fire, lightning, shurikens, bombs, and of course his trusty sword. I honestly see him as being a faster Link, which sounds great to me.

-Little Mac
See Dudley from third strike for moveset

-Mewtwo Eclair Forme
We probably are not getting classic Mewtwo, at least, unless he is a costume of Mewthree here. I basically see Newtwo as a faster version of Mewtwo, which sounds nice. Of course I could be wrong, and we might just get OG Mewtwo (Which I'm totally cool with being wrong as well). Either way, we are getting some form of Mewtwo cuz of that new movie.

-Chrom
Because I doubt we are getting Roy in the initial roster.

-Simon Belmont
You know you want him, don't lie. After Megaman, Simon is basically my most wanted third party. As third parties are iffy to predict, he's more or less a place holder, and I prefer him over Pac man, so i'm using Simon. Castlevania > Pac-Man any day.

And Finally DLC, the characters I used were more of an example of how DLC could work, but the way Sakurai talked about it, (sighting Fallout 3) I feel like we'd prolly get one large DLC pack. I designed mine in a way of Imports with Saki and Roy, Returning third party legends with Snake and Sonic (as I feel they did not make the initial cut,) and finally the evil dudes, featuring Black Shadow, and K.Rool. As it's just an idea, I picked characters I'd like to see as DLC, but I kinda see the roster boiling down to, lot's of "essential" characters and the DLC consisting of popular, but not as important characters.

Isaac, Ridley, Palutena, Shulk, Takamaru, Little Mac: good choices, no complaints here.
Diddy and Dixie: I think the reworked pairing would could work, but I also think that should make K. Rool in the main roster. But I think there will be another paired character like the Ice Climbers, and the only ones I can think of would be FE or Diddy and Dixie.
I like the idea of each Zelda Character representing a different era of Zelda, but I think Zelda and Sheik should both be OOT. I can't see SS Zelda with Zelda's magic and attacks. I think Link should incorporate some of SS Link's attacks, truly making him a hybrid between TP and SS. Toon Ganondorf works, but I just hope they call him Ganondorf in that case. Pig Ganon should take some notes from OOT too, and come with a new design that also incorporates ALBW and ALTTP.
Mewtwo and Pokemon: I think we will get the awakened form, but I think we will get another different Pokemon rep instead of either Pokemon Trainer or Lucario. I can't see Pokemon being all returners.
I think if we get Simon Belmont, we won't get Snake. That would show a favoritism to Konami over their other third parties. I don't think there will be any third parties as DLC due to the agreement that needs to be struck for the character to appear. Unless they change their mind after the roster is finalized for some major reason, and work out a new deal. I could see DLC featuring Brawl veterans and other returners if they have been cut.

 

[PlatinumGamer64]

*RECORD SCRATCH*

I'm sorry, I kind of stopped reading after that line, when you stated that a character as different and as liked as Sukapon, who also represents Nintendo's first successful 2D Fighting game, is a WORSE character than a second Animal Crossing/3 Kid Icarus characters. And also, am I really taking a comment like this from someone who put a Baby Yoshi in his roster?

quote="Hotfeet444, post: 15657630, member: 220997"] Baby Yoshi?[/quote]

I guess the bold print that said "FANTASY ROSTER" wasn't noticeable enough. You honestly missed that, let alone it was in a thread titled "Wishlist" Also Sukapon is too obscure and undeserving.

You seriously missed that

 

[8-peacock-8]

I honestly would not be surprised if Nook is a hidden character. i say this for the millionth time.

 

[Hotfeet444]

but Little Mac is next to Wario

Oh crap, I just noticed that. Okay, it gets a 6.75.

I considered reporting this...

Pardon me for liking crossovers that actually make sense.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Because we already have someone representing AC as a whole. Not to mention you can't really compare a second character to a smaller series than a character that is connected to Nintendo's history with games like Smash Bros.

It's not as a whole, he's not using anything (involving furniture and other things related to shopping) to represent AC as a whole. The shopping side is a part of the AC experience here you know.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Oh yeah...Sora...*Shudders* I hate Kingdom Hearts.

Oh yeah? Well, I hate YOU! ;___;
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Here's a roster I put up a while back shortly after E3.
Comment.
45 characters. It has 4 cuts (I hate cuts, but I'm being pessimistic about this.)

Mewtwo transforms into his 6th gen form, and N has Reshiram, Zekrom, and Zoroark. (doesn't seem likely now because of the Ice Climbers issue)

Shulk, Lucas, the new IP, and the third-parties are unlockable. (forgot to make their boxes red)

The three question mark slots are for a new Zelda character, a new IP character, and a new third-party character.
I might do a version without cuts later.

 

[zauberdragon]

Chrom + Lucina or Robin would be a great nod off to the Pair Up featur of Awakening which was a huge mechanic for the game and highley advertised and pushed.

Seeing as Sakurai is having enough trouble with the Ice Climbers, two people who have the same moves, I highly doubt, if he manages to leap these technical hurdles, he'll consider putting both Chrom and Lucina in as a pair; seeing as they would have different moves.

 

[Hotfeet444]

but Little Mac is next to Wario

Oh crap, I just noticed that. Okay, it gets a 6.75.

I considered reporting this...

Pardon me for liking crossovers that actually make sense.

Are you blind? Little Mac is there? >_> Waluigi represents the various Mario Sports and will have various moves based off of many of the Mario Sport games. Chrom + Lucina or Robin would be a great nod off to the Pair Up featur of Awakening which was a huge mechanic for the game and highley advertised and pushed. King Boo can rep Luigi's Mansion. Also if you mean that LoZ and Poke over reping SUPER Mario then yes your right, but I consider the other characters of the same universe as Mario characters they just don't represent Super Mario. Ganondorf being able to tranform into Ganon is just awesome and would be able to diversify him from Falcon. And Rool VS Dixie is jsut personal refrence for people, I think Dixie has a better chance of getting in.

Waluigi is an abysmal character with no importance, and MARIO already represents the MARIO sports and MARIO Kart and MARIO party. Chrom on his own is the main character, and is the only one who really stands a chance of getting in. Spin-off titles do not count as actual characters, so you ARE over-repping, Ganondorf using a style unique to him with Ganon as a final smash is just awesome and would be able to diversify him from C.Falcon, and a recent appearance does not mean she has more importance than K.Rool...which K.Rool is the more important character to represent.

 

[MexM]

Guys it's his opinion if he doesn't like Kingdom Hearts.

 

[Silverjay323]

I hate Kingdom Hearts.

.......Don't go saying that around the wrong people. You're entitled to your own opinion, but I must simply ask WHY?!?

Idk why people are doubting 3 KI reps, considering how Sakurai is with Kirby and how Kid Icarus was shown along with the MAIN franchises in the trailer. It's definitely gonna be getting some love.

 

[Reznor]

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why do you want to get rid of Jigglypuff why does any one want to get rid of her shes one of the original 8 and shes still popular in japan ........ I think

Edit: I mean 12

 

[Shorts]

I think it's been made pretty clear that Jiggly takes precedence over Mewtwo. Other than that, I think that roster looks decently plausible.

 

[MexM]

why do you want to get rid of Jigglypuff why does any one want to get rid of her shes one of the original 8 and shes still popular in japan ........ I think

Jigglypuff is from the original 12, not 8. And there are also other popular Pokémon over there.

Note: I don't how to make the "Name said: -arrow-"

 

[zauberdragon]

why do you want to get rid of Jigglypuff why does any one want to get rid of her shes one of the original 8 and shes still popular in japan ........ I think

Well original 12, she was one of the 4 unlockables but I agree. If one of the N64 lot was to get cut, it'd be Jiggers but I don't see it happening.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Oh yeah? Well, I hate YOU! ;___;
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Here's a roster I put up a while back shortly after E3.
Comment.
45 characters. It has 3 cuts (I hate cuts, but I'm being pessimistic about this.)
Mewtwo transforms into his 6th gen form, and N has Reshiram, Zekrom, and Zoroark. (doesn't seem likely now because of the Ice Climbers issue)
The three question mark slots are for a new Zelda character, a new IP character, and a new third-party character.
I might do a version without cuts later.
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I like it. Just two things. One: I think N in favor of Jigglypuff is unnecessary in my opinion. And two: this might just be completely over my head right now but what's IP?

Pardon me for liking crossovers that actually make sense.

 

[Reznor]

.......Don't go saying that around the wrong people. You're entitled to your own opinion, but I must simply ask WHY?!?

don't know about why he doesn't like KH but the reason I dislike it is because of the story starts to make little sense and takes its self way to seriously

the gameplay is solid though so I can't really say its a bad game hell I might even buy the 3rd game but I will skip all the cutscenes

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

why do you want to get rid of Jigglypuff why does any one want to get rid of her shes one of the original 8 and shes still popular in japan ........ I think

Like I said, I don't like cuts.

I have a bias toward N though, as I think he'd the perfect rep for gen 5, and make for a good anti-hero. I really want him, but it doesn't seem likely (then why do I have him on the roster?) due to the multiple character problems. (people are even doubting that Pokemon Trainer will return)

I like it. Just two things. One: I think N in favor of Jigglypuff is unnecessary in my opinion. And two: this might just be completely over my head right now but what's IP?

Stands for interdependent party or project, I think...
In my roster's case, It's essentially a character standing for a new series, like Isaac or Dillon.

 

[8-peacock-8]

.......Don't go saying that around the wrong people. You're entitled to your own opinion, but I must simply ask WHY?!?

Idk why people are doubting 3 KI reps, considering how Sakurai is with Kirby and how Kid Icarus was shown along with the MAIN franchises in the trailer. It's definitely gonna be getting some love.

Because Sakurai doesn't like to over represent franchises he's worked on. (Thats why we didn't even have new Kirby characters until Brawl)

 

[Hotfeet444]

Also Sukapon is too obscure and undeserving.

It's very easily understood as to why you are ignored by alot of people, and the fact of what Sukapon represents going right over your head. And GODDAMMIT, I forgot to frame Habanero's sig for a moment like this.

.......Don't go saying that around the wrong people. You're entitled to your own opinion, but I must simply ask WHY?!?

Because it's a dumb idea with horrible original characters and a completely looney premise. It's like pairing Nintendo characters with Dreamworks characters, it makes absolutely no sense. But hey...I've seen worse. *Cough* Project X Zone *Cough*

 

[BluePikmin11]

Oh yeah? Well, I hate YOU! ;___;
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Here's a roster I put up a while back shortly after E3.
Comment.
45 characters. It has 4 cuts (I hate cuts, but I'm being pessimistic about this.)

Mewtwo transforms into his 6th gen form, and N has Reshiram, Zekrom, and Zoroark. (doesn't seem likely now because of the Ice Climbers issue)

The three question mark slots are for a new Zelda character, a new IP character, and a new third-party character.
I might do a version without cuts later.
View attachment 1287

I think I might have realized something, Lucario and Mewtwo would be DLC, if Zoroark were to be in the game to represent the Pokemon currently right now (This is not rejection in any way). I would suggest putting back in Jigglypuff and put Zoroark instead of Mewtwo, although either is fine, I would think Sakurai would want to think of something new, instead of hashing the same character just to make him better. That way Pokemon is kept at 4 reps while being diverse.

 

[Deleted member]

What are you basing this realism off of?

Because people usually cut too many Nintendo characters from the roster. The only character that have any reason for going are third-parties, Toon Link and maybe Pokemon Trainer (although he should definitely stay if possible). Everyone else, people pull out all sorts of crappy arguments such as "not recent" and "over-representation" which really gets under my skin.

 

[mimgrim]

Waluigi is an abysmal character with no importance, and MARIO already represents the MARIO sports and MARIO Kart and MARIO party. Chrom on his own is the main character, and is the only one who really stands a chance of getting in. Spin-off titles do not count as actual characters, so you ARE over-repping, Ganondorf using a style unique to him with Ganon as a final smash is just awesome and would be able to diversify him from C.Falcon, and a recent appearance does not mean she has more importance than K.Rool...which K.Rool is the more important character to represent.

Waluigi is the Mario character with the most personality, theres no denying that, and ending up in almost every Mario spin-off and being highley requested and Mario reps Super Mario. .-. Again, the Pair Up featur of FEA was a huge mechanic and is likely to get shown if FEA gets a rep which is likely. The only spin-off character is Waluigi, but saying they are not actualy characters is jsut stupid. Ganondorf being able to transform would be way to cool, but it is also very much more likely that it will just be Ganondorf, but if they want to diversify Dorf without changing his moveset to much just allow him to transform into Ganon and boom he becomes more unique. In all honesty I feel like they both have equal importance, but I feel like Dixie has the better shot of getting in.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Also if you can have Palutena in the roster because of KI's popularity, then Tom Nook can be in too also because of AC's popularity.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Because it's a dumb idea with horrible original characters and a completely looney premise. It's like pairing Nintendo characters with Dreamworks characters, it makes absolutely no sense. But hey...I've seen worse. *Cough* Project X Zone *Cough*

Fair enough reason. Although, pairing Nintendo and Dreamworks wouldn't be too bad.... "Shrek takes Ogre"

 

[zauberdragon]

I actually really like KH, I grew up watching Disney and I'm a big fan of Final Fantasy (I'm actually playing Final Fantasy VII on Steam at the moment) but I wholeheartedly disagree that Sora should be in Smash.
For one he's not even close to being the mascot of Square-Enix, not to say he's not important but the company doesn't really have one. In which case I think someone more linked to Nintendo history should be picked. Don't know who but there's a whole heap of FF and Dragon Quest games on Nintendo systems to pick from.
Secondly, it would take a huge number of hoops to jump through. Disney are difficult to deal with at the best of times and Sakurai has stated it's difficult enough with other 3rd parties, let alone the mickey mouse key chain Sora would cause a logistical nightmare.
Thirdly he's a character created for a crossover. His very personality is dictated by the fact he was created as a bridge between two disparate worlds. Sora without other FF characters or the Disney lot would be soulless.

 

[jaytalks]

Alright, it's been a long while since I've posted here, and I thought I'd throw out some feels I have about character chances. Of course, I'm doing it tier style. Before I jump into newcomers, let me start with vets.

Everyone from Brawl will return without a doubt, besides these characters:

Possibly Being cut From Brawl​

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Ike, Wolf, Sonic, Snake, Toon Link, Lucario, Pokemon Trainer​

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Now, I don't believe all of these characters will be cut. Heck, the only one I'm dead sure on is Snake. But I will say Lucario, and Toon Link are good candidates for cuts. Sonic would be in that group if it wasn't for the fact that Sakurai has already mentioned his sheer popularity once more. Next would be Sonic and Pokemon Trainer. Then least concern would be Wolf, and Ike.​

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Now, Newcomer Tiers:​

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Best Chances​

Mewtwo, Dixie Kong, Chrom Pac-Man, Miis, Little Mac​

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The first three pretty much go without saying IMO. They each have a strong quality going for them. Mewtwo being who he is, the publicity he's recently gotten, Sakurai's comments, his position as an old vet and as popular as he is. Dixie's a once planned character, and a decently popular choice. Chrom is an international character from FE, who's in the latest FE title, and is generally well received (despite what Smashboards would like you to believe). The last three, well, you know.​

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Decent Chances​

Roy, King K. Rool, Ridley, Palutena, Shulk, Takamaru​

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The first two would be up in the "Best Chances" group if it wasn't for their Franchise counterparts taking precedence IMO. Ridley's here for being a small scale Mewtwo. Palutena, for being a popular choice, Sakurai's baby, and showing up in SSE/Brawl. Shulk kind of beats out all his competition, with Miis/Little Mac being the acceptions in terms of small franchise character. He's pretty popular for how old he is, and seems to be the new "IT BOY" from Nintendo's new star subsidary. Takamaru fits the role of "Retro revived" pretty well, and has a recognizably sized fanbase in both Japan and America.​

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50/50 Shot​

Doctor Mario, Krystal, Bowser Junior, Samurai Goroh, Black Shadow, Lucina, Isaac, Toon Zelda / Partner ​

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Doc and Toon Link / Partner are like Dixie, but just on a smaller scale. They have an alright sized fanbase, but also seem to be filler material, unlike Dixie. Krystal, Junior, Isaac, Goroh, and BShadow is the all around "Got Everything, just it's up to Sakurai to say yes". Lucina seems to be like the former, just, she has Chrom and Roy in her way.​

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Small Chance, but still worth mentioning​

Toad, Paper Mario, Waluigi, WarioWare Employee, Ghirahim, Tingle, Bandana Dee, Zoroark, Genesect, Other 6th Gen, Dark Samus, Medusa, Masked Man / Claus, Lyn, Pikmin Trio, Starfy, Dillon, Mach Rider, Layton​

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Instead of saying what these character's DON'T have, I'll throw out their best traits. Toad: Seniority, Iconic Paper Mario: Decently Popular Waluigi: Decently Popular, WarioWare Employee: Interesting / Wario's alone as of right now Ghirahim: Interesting, Popular enough, Personality Tingle: Interesting Zelda's Number 4 Bandana Dee: Interesting, Kirby's Number 4, Zoroark: Interesting, Most Popular Pokemon Choice Behind Mewtwo, Genesect: Mewtwo's Rival, 6th Gen: Hey, it's 6th Gen, Dark Samus: Not Big, Clone Material. Medusa: Big Villain, Decently Popular, Masked Man / Claus: Next in Line for Mother, Personality Lyn: Decently Popular, Interesting. Pikmin Trio: Hey, who knows?, Starfy: Small Franchise with Decent Popularity, Dillon: See Starfy, Mach Rider: Takamaru's Number 2, Layton: If there's any third party that isn't Sonic, Pac, Mega, or Snake, it's him.​

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Completely agree with every placement of every character except for Roy. I don't think he has a decent chance, I would put him at a 50/50 shot as well. The FE series works different than others and as a result, Roy's popularity among Smash fans doesn't carry the same weight as popularity does for other Nintendo characters.

 

[Silverjay323]

don't know about why he doesn't like KH but the reason I dislike it is because of the story starts to make little sense and takes its self way to seriously

Plot? Yeah I guess that's understandable. You'll probably have to purchase at about 3 systems(consoles+handhelds)to even make sense of what's going on. Or use Google. Either or.

Because Sakurai doesn't like to over represent franchises he's worked on. (Thats why we didn't even have new Kirby characters until Brawl)

True, but its possible since KI was shown along the "main" ones. I can almost guarantee one new rep at the least.​

 

[Hotfeet444]

Also if you can have Palutena in the roster because of KI's popularity, then Tom Nook can be in too also because of AC's popularity.

Glad to see you ignored the more deserving series' in the process, or series' that have yet to even be represented, by doing so as the point flew clean over your head.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Let's just steer away from the Kingdom Hearts argument. There's a fanbase, a hatebase, but either way he's not likely to be in the next game. We should go back to the relentless Noah and Animal Crossing arguments.

 

[MexM]

Waluigi is the Mario character with the most personality, theres no denying that, and ending up in almost every Mario spin-off and being highley requested and Mario reps Super Mario. .-.

Well Luigi and Wario and numerous Mario RPG characters compete for most personality. And if we're going by that, then Daisy should appear over Waluigi since she appears in MK7 and appears in a main Mario game.

 

[Reznor]

Also if you can have Palutena in the roster because of KI's popularity, then Tom Nook can be in too also because of AC's popularity.

going on this logic we would have gotten Ridley in melee because Metroid is very popular