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A Samus/Zero Suit Samus system of switching between two completely different characters while being the same person is a possibility.
Ugh, please no. :p The Samus/ZSS system is awful. Being shackled to Final Smash gimps players who want to play with Final Smashes on but stay as one character, and if they were to be given a reliable taunt transformation that would be massively unfair to Zelda and PT.

A down-B transformation is really the only way to do a transformation character right.
 
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Only thing disappointing to me about Mewtwo's potential return to Smash is that it will have the characterization of the new Mewtwo, not of the other one.

EDIT: I imagine a new system entirely for Mewtwo's forms.
I can see Awakened Mewtwo being an optional reward transformation and/or a transformation out of desperation much like the Pity Final Smash.

After all, it is the awakened form.
 

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Takamaru would be my top add, as I mentioned in the middle. I could easily just slide him in the left corner. And that would solve my retro add, but I want to add an international retro character.

Lucina/Chrom is based off the pairing up mechanic in Awakening. Different than Ice Climbers in that only one attacks at a time, and different than Zelda in that it is not a transformation.
If you really wanna show off the Pair Up mechanic; Make it where the character not being controled only does a attack AFTER you attack but only have a certain chance of activating. Also have it where the character not being controled can step up and take an attack for you instead, but has a small chance of activating. Now that would be a good and true way of showing off the Pair Up feature.
 

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I couldn't help but notice that you have a 3rd party character on there that isn't very practical. How are you going to put Goku's villain without putting Goku in the game as well? That is a real reach if you ask me... besides I thought we all agreed to no anime characters in the game. I mean why don't you throw in Master Chief, Cloud, Naruto, and Sora at that rate?

Frieza doesn't even fuse with Superbuu in canon. So having Majin Mewbuu is a little crazy if you ask me. Fanfiction gone wrong....
It's possible they could have done it in Hell. There are new Dragonball Z movies coming out.

In all serious I think Newtwo will be just in his Newtwo form, no transformations.
You forgot Phoenix Wright.

Also, Why cut Lucas?
Objection! Only one capcom character! He took Mega Man's spot in UMVC3, so he knows how it feels

Not really a statement on Lucas. Could have been Ike or Wolf or something. Just had to cut to make roster smaller and more realistic.

I believe there will be a small cuts, but I'm not really interest in the conversation. There's three cuts on my roster, but it's not really because of the characters. Just the characters I added needed room.
 

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Ugh, please no. :p The Samus/ZSS system is awful. Being shackled to Final Smash gimps players who want to play with Final Smashes on but stay as one character, and if they were to be given a reliable taunt transformation that would be massively unfair to Zelda and PT.

A down-B transformation is really the only way to do a transformation character right.
Making it a Samus/Zero Suit Samus way of transformation is the only way to do it without stealing a gimmick from another character, which takes away from both characters being unique in their own way. Of course, another way is to have Mewtwo transform in between certain attacks, but that would be clunky and obnoxious to animate.
 

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Only thing disappointing to me about Mewtwo's potential return to Smash is that it will have the characterization of the new Mewtwo, not of the other one.
By characterization, do you mean the supposedly more feminine personality it has in the Vs Genesect movie, or that he'll only return in his Awakened forme?

Because I don't see why the latter would happen when Mewtwo's regular forme is clearly much more iconic to both Smash veterans and the Pokemon fanbase.
 

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Look, Fiery Marth is alright and all, but there's only one real character that actually deserves to return and has actually been considered to return:


I don't think there's any denying the fact that Mewtwo's returning is a much bigger deal than Roy's. I mean, although he's only appeared as a playable character in one game, he has been planned for every game of the series at some point or another.
I was just joking. I actually like Lucina the most out of all FE characters. I know that she wouldn't be a good fit though. I do want MEWTWO to return. I just don't want Newtwo or Majin Mewbuu to return. No doubt the King of Pokemon is a necessary addition. I just hope he gets his spoon.
 
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If there is a Pair Up feature for say, Chrom, I'd see it like it is in the game; the partner is off the battlefield (like the Pokémon Trainer), and comes in for assistance for certain attacks, like giving Chrom the Dual Attack, Dual Shield, etc.
 

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If you really wanna show off the Pair Up mechanic; Make it where the character not being controled only does a attack AFTER you attack but only have a certain chance of activating. Also have it where the character not being controled can step up and take an attack for you instead, but has a small chance of activating. Now that would be a good and true way of showing off the Pair Up feature.
Certain attacks would do that like their smashes, but it's not always like that. Dual Strike has a chance hit percentage, and I would rather they save it for big attacks so it's more special.
 

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I was just joking. I actually like Lucina the most out of all FE characters. I know that she wouldn't be a good fit though. I do want MEWTWO to return. I just don't want Newtwo or Majin Mewbuu to return. No doubt the King of Pokemon is a necessary addition. I just hope he gets his spoon.
Being a reader of the Pokemon Manga myself, I'd love for the spoon to make a comeback. Final Smash...Psywave Tornado.
 

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If there is a Pair Up feature for say, Chrom, I'd see it like it is in the game; the partner is off the battlefield (like the Pokémon Trainer), and comes in for assistance for certain attacks, like giving Chrom the Dual Attack, Dual Shield, etc.
I've thought about that, but the problem is not every stage would allow for that. Some stages move. But I can see going into the background being a part of some of their moves.

I prefer if Mewtwo's awakened form is the only thing we see, so he's full generation VI. Also we don't know anything about the game, but my guess in canon he was never caught (obviously). He then experimented on himself to make him stronger, messing with his DNA. Hence, Pokemon X and Y.
Edit: Just read Hotfeet444's post. No idea it was a clone. Is that confirmed?
 

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By characterization, do you mean the supposedly more feminine personality it has in the Vs Genesect movie, or that he'll only return in his Awakened forme?

Because I don't see why the latter would happen when Mewtwo's regular forme is clearly much more iconic to both Smash veterans and the Pokemon fanbase.
Well it technically isn't even the same Mewtwo, but a seperate clone, so it is possible that this new Mewtwo sounds more feminine...which in itself is pretty freaking odd after watching the first pokemon movie so many times as a kid. :nervous:

I prefer if Mewtwo's awakened form is the only thing we see, so he's full generation VI. Also we don't know anything about the game, but my guess in canon he was never caught (obviously). He then experimented on himself to make him stronger, messing with his DNA. Hence, Pokemon X and Y.
I think this one may be a she actually, but that aside, I think Mewtwo in any forme can represent the 6th Gen, you don't need to overuse the Awakened forme in order to make Mewtwo represent the 6th Gen, especially since Mewtwo is more of a rep of the Pokemon series overall than just one generation.

Also, if we're talking about things to rep the 6th Gen, give Jigglypuff some fairy types moves. :p
 

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Here it is:

Bomberman
Alexandra Roivas (Eternal Darkness)*
Gen. 6 Pokemon Trainer
Throh or Sawk (Gen. 5 Pokemon)
Jack Cayman (MadWorld)
Fawful (Mario and Luigi series)
Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes)
Tetra/Toon Zelda
Crono (Chrono Trigger)
Zero (Megaman X series)
The Boy and his Blob (A Boy and his Blob)
Paper Mario
Earthworm Jim

*I figured if Nintendo revived a long-dead franchise by putting Pit in Brawl, they can do it again. For those who don't know, Eternal Darkness is a Gamecube exclusive. Think of the story as if Resident Evil was a psychological thriller that spanned centuries, and you're on the right track. The game also messed with your head. When your "sanity meter" empties, crazy stuff happens (or does it?) such as entering a room that's upside-down, the sound suddenly muting, even a fake DOS prompt saying your Memory Card is erased. All just to mess with you.

Who'd you like to see in SSB4?
 
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By characterization, do you mean the supposedly more feminine personality it has in the Vs Genesect movie, or that he'll only return in his Awakened forme?

Because I don't see why the latter would happen when Mewtwo's regular forme is clearly much more iconic to both Smash veterans and the Pokemon fanbase.
I mean the personality. Instead of the "you are weak compared to me" mentality of Mewtwo #1 (which is used in Melee), it's likely Mewtwo in Smash 4 would have the "I will not allow you to cause harm to others" mentality of Mewtwo #2.

EDIT: Much like how Lucario's characterization in Brawl is that of the Lucario from his movie.
 

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I mean the personality. Instead of the "you are weak compared to me" mentality of Mewtwo #1 (which is used in Melee), it's likely Mewtwo in Smash 4 would have the "I will not allow you to cause harm to others" mentality of Mewtwo #2.
Well in all honesty, Mewtwo gained the "Protection of others" personality after the first movie in some ways, but I think most people would agree that when your pokedex entry in almost every generation states you are the most violent and cold-hearted pokemon, that is what people would want to see Mewtwo represented as in Smash 4.
 

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Making it a Samus/Zero Suit Samus way of transformation is the only way to do it without stealing a gimmick from another character, which takes away from both characters being unique in their own way. Of course, another way is to have Mewtwo transform in between certain attacks, but that would be clunky and obnoxious to animate.
If it's a Samus/ZSS transformation, that takes their gimmick. If it's a down-B transformation into a different moveset, PT and Zelda both do that. There's really no reason to worry about "taking a gimmick". Brawl had more than one transformation character, after all.

The best way to do it would simply be alternate skins.

I mean the personality. Instead of the "you are weak compared to me" mentality of Mewtwo #1 (which is used in Melee), it's likely Mewtwo in Smash 4 would have the "I will not allow you to cause harm to others" mentality of Mewtwo #2.
Yeah, it's unfortunate. Evil Mewtwo is way more fun. He caught trainers' Pokemon! :troll:
 
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Mewtwo #1 was more or less "stay away from humanity" and "I must protect my kin" with Mewtwo Returns.

Mewtwo #2 is more "stop causing pain and destruction or I will be forced to beat you senseless".
 

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I think this one may be a she actually, but that aside, I think Mewtwo in any forme can represent the 6th Gen, you don't need to overuse the Awakened forme in order to make Mewtwo represent the 6th Gen, especially since Mewtwo is more of a rep of the Pokemon series overall than just one generation.

Also, if we're talking about things to rep the 6th Gen, give Jigglypuff some fairy types moves. :p
The pokemon reps are far too gen 1 heavy for me. Gen 1 will always seem like the most iconic, but the pokemon series has moved on and done some really great stuff, so I like to represent that instead. For Pokemon fans (and I'm not saying you're not one), there are plenty of other iconic aspects of the series to represent as well.

Mewtwo, Newtwo, or Mewbuu, needs to be cold though. Although he really isnt a villain in the series (he's just another Pokemon), they listed him as a villain in the last event in Melee with Gigas Bowser and Ganondorf.
 

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If it's a Samus/ZSS transformation, that takes their gimmick. If it's a down-B transformation into a different moveset, PT and Zelda both do that. There's really no reason to worry about "taking a gimmick". Brawl had more than one transformation character, after all.
That's not exactly a gimmick as both characters are portrayed and play as their own separate character. The use of two characters at once with the ice climbers is a gimmick, switching between different characters with down B like Zelda and Sheik is a gimmick, having a team balance around each other like Pokemon Trainer is a gimmick, using a different character by using a final smash is not a gimmick, especially since Samus and Zero Suit Samus have no way of transforming on the go.
 

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I don't even know. If they made Mewtwo a returning veteran it would have to be male. However, if they made Newtwo a newcomer it could be female. I don't even know. Here in America they might dub Mewtwo as man anyways. It is really confusing stuff. Would Sora Ltd. hype up Mewtwo as a newcomer or a returning veteran? Both are pretty hype inducing. If they choose the female version I expect boobs. :awesome:
 

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A 50-character roster I put together. It doesn't really feel optimal, though.

New Characters: Bowser Jr., Geno, Ridley, Masked Man, Waddle Dee, Starfy, Krystal, Eevee, Chrom, Little Mac, Takamaru, Mike Jones, Pac-Man, Mii
Sorta New Characters: Mewtwo, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Mega Man
Cut Characters: Pokémon Trainer, Lucario, Snake
 

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I don't even know. If they made Mewtwo a returning veteran it would have to be male. However, if they made Newtwo a newcomer it could be female. I don't even know. Here in America they might dub Mewtwo as man anyways. It is really confusing stuff. Would Sora Ltd. hype up Mewtwo as a newcomer or a returning veteran? Both are pretty hype inducing. If they choose the female version I expect boobs. :awesome:
dat hornyness.
 

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The pokemon reps are far too gen 1 heavy for me. Gen 1 will always seem like the most iconic, but the pokemon series has moved on and done some really great stuff, so I like to represent that instead. For Pokemon fans (and I'm not saying you're not one), there are plenty of other iconic aspects of the series to represent as well.

Mewtwo, Newtwo, or Mewbuu, needs to be cold though. Although he really isnt a villain in the series (he's just another Pokemon), they listed him as a villain in the last event in Melee with Gigas Bowser and Ganondorf.
The first gen may be the game most represented, but there's a reason for that, since it's the most iconic and is where the series started, as buggy and linear as it was back then.

And also, most of the pokemon represented in Smash Bros may have started in one gen, but have appeared in others, like Jigglypuff and Pikachu both appearing in all 4th gen games, Mewtwo being a legendary pokemon again in Gen 4, the remakes of Red and Green in Gen 3, and of course using pokemon from the current gen at the time like Lucario and Pichu, who were both also featured in more recent gens as well. Also, Mewtwo is the only actual pokemon in itself to be displayed as having villain-esque qualities, such as the cold heart and violent disposition. Am I saying it's a real villain? No, not at all, but non-human villain wise, it's the only pokemon that has a chance of making said role aside from a pokemon like Darkrai or Giratina.
 

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A 50-character roster I put together. It doesn't really feel optimal, though.

New Characters: Bowser Jr., Geno, Ridley, Masked Man, Waddle Dee, Starfy, Krystal, Eevee, Chrom, Little Mac, Takamaru, Mike Jones, Pac-Man, Mii
Sorta New Characters: Mewtwo, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Mega Man
Cut Characters: Pokémon Trainer, Lucario, Snake
I like it simply because Mewtwo is not Majin Mewbuu. However, I highly doubt we will be get a 50 roster. I also highly doubt Mike Jones, Eevee, or Masked Man even have a chance. Geno is a maybe if only because he has popularity for whatever reason. Other than that it looks pretty good. I mean Waddle Dee and Starfy are more popular in Japan based on what I have read. So they have a higher chance than people are letting on.
 

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That's not exactly a gimmick as both characters are portrayed and play as their own separate character. The use of two characters at once with the ice climbers is a gimmick, switching between different characters with down B like Zelda and Sheik is a gimmick, having a team balance around each other like Pokemon Trainer is a gimmick, using a different character by using a final smash is not a gimmick, especially since Samus and Zero Suit Samus have no way of transforming on the go.
I'm confused what you mean by a gimmick. Those all seem like wonderful creative decisions to me. The Pair-up mechanic I came with differs from the previous transformations and pairs.
I don't even know. If they made Mewtwo a returning veteran it would have to be male. However, if they made Newtwo a newcomer it could be female. I don't even know. Here in America they might dub Mewtwo as man anyways. It is really confusing stuff. Would Sora Ltd. hype up Mewtwo as a newcomer or a returning veteran? Both are pretty hype inducing. If they choose the female version I expect boobs. :awesome:
Newtwo if only in awakened form, should be a newcomer. I don't mind the new form as the Buu Saga was my favorite. Newtwo should also have some new moves.
 

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I'm confused what you mean by a gimmick. Those all seem like wonderful creative decisions to me. The Pair-up mechanic I came with differs from the previous transformations and pairs.
What I mainly mean by a gimmick is an ability that makes said character stand out from other characters in the roster in the special sense, so something like Snake using explosives or Sonic's unmatchable speed are not gimmicks. They are wonderful creative decisions, and it also adds to making said character unique from the rest of the cast, but if you were to go and give another character that gimmick, it makes said character feel less important overall to the roster.
 

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A 50-character roster I put together. It doesn't really feel optimal, though.

New Characters: Bowser Jr., Geno, Ridley, Masked Man, Waddle Dee, Starfy, Krystal, Eevee, Chrom, Little Mac, Takamaru, Mike Jones, Pac-Man, Mii
Sorta New Characters: Mewtwo, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Mega Man
Cut Characters: Pokémon Trainer, Lucario, Snake
- Eevee isn't happening, sorry. And he certainly isn't going to replace Lucario or Pokémon Trainer.

- Masked Man (or any 3rd Mother rep) is very unlikely. But I wouldn't complain if we got him. :)

- Geno is very unlikely as well.

- You should add King K. Rool or Dixie Kong.

- You should also add Palutena. She's fairly requested.

- Mike Jones is VERY unlikely as his games were not released in Japan, and Japan is what matters most to Sakurai.
 

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I'm confused what you mean by a gimmick. Those all seem like wonderful creative decisions to me. The Pair-up mechanic I came with differs from the previous transformations and pairs.

Newtwo if only in awakened form, should be a newcomer. I don't mind the new form as the Buu Saga was my favorite. Newtwo should also have some new moves. I don't mind the new form as the Buu Saga was my favorite.
You are the only other Dragon Ball Z fan that I know that liked the Buu Saga the most. I am glad I finally met someone who agrees!

I do agree. If she is in her Awakened form she should be labeled a newcomer. However, if she starts in her primary form she should be considered a returning veteran. As for new moves I heard that she has the ability to stop time or something like that. Not sure if it is true. The new movie should give us some new material as well... or they could give Mewtwo a giant spoon! Just sayin! Get it? Saiyan?

To be honest the only reason I can even cope with the new form is that I love Frieza and Superbuu. So the fusion is perfect. I finally get to play as Buuza or Friebuu or whatever the hell the kids are calling him. I also like the fact that we are getting a DBZ character. It is funny how no one thought it was possible. Here we are though. :rotfl:
 

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You are the only other Dragon Ball Z fan that I know that liked the Buu Saga the most. I am glad I finally met someone who agrees!
I didnt like it until I got older and looked back. But there is one fan that liked it the best as well. Akira Toriyama! I hear it was his favorite to work on in the Z series due to its humor and unpredictability. But let's not get off topic.
Just saw the trailer to New Pokemon movie. On the male and female thing; let's not forget Frieza sounded like a woman but was really a man. And japanese voice actors can be the other gender of a character (look up Goku). Perhaps it experimented on itself before and now i t can transform at will. And for its intro it will transform from its old form to its awakened one.
What I mainly mean by a gimmick is an ability that makes said character stand out from other characters in the roster in the special sense, so something like Snake using explosives or Sonic's unmatchable speed are not gimmicks. They are wonderful creative decisions, and it also adds to making said character unique from the rest of the cast, but if you were to go and give another character that gimmick, it makes said character feel less important overall to the roster.
The pair up mechanic would be different enough from the others. As I said, it's not a transformation as both characters are present on screen at all time. It also different from ice climber in that only one character can attack at the same, aside from dual strikes for smash attacks. And you wouldn't be able to switch anywhere; you can only do it on the ground. It also take a little bit of time to activate, leaving you vulnerable for attack.
And the Pair Up mechanic isn't something I made up. It's based on Awakening and is essential in the later chapters, especially on harder difficulties. So I think it has a justification for being included.
Or what would be really cool is if you can only change it up in their final smash. That way they could keep counter and restrict changing up. Just an idea. I know other people arent a fan of all FE characters having counter.
 

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My order of Mewtwo preference is as follows, order of most wanted to least:

1) Gen 1 Mewtwo
2) Gen 1/6 combo
3) He doesn't appear
4) Gen 6

Not too keen on Gen 6. My brain tells me not to get too angry about it and the new forme has it's positives but my heart says the 6 year old 90's Pokemon fanboy in me tells me it's worse than many venereal diseases. If we do get my number 2 I wouldn't mind gen 6 Mewtwo but a lot of people would be seriously mad if Mewtwo is kicked out of Brawl and comes back as something different.
 

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My order of Mewtwo preference is as follows, order of most wanted to least:

1) Gen 1 Mewtwo
2) Gen 1/6 combo
3) He doesn't appear
4) Gen 6

Not too keen on Gen 6. My brain tells me not to get too angry about it and the new forme has it's positives but my heart says the 6 year old 90's Pokemon fanboy in me tells me it's worse than many venereal diseases. If we do get my number 2 I wouldn't mind gen 6 Mewtwo but a lot of people would be seriously mad if Mewtwo is kicked out of Brawl and comes back as something different.
1) Gen 1 Mewtwo redesigned (new moves or maybe the spoon)
2) Gen 1 Mewtwo returns
3) Gen 1 Mewtwo with a Gen 6 Final Smash (Like Yoshi or Sonic)
4) Gen 1 Mewtwo with a Gen 6 Final Smash Transformation (Like Samus and Zero-Suit)
5) Gen 1/6 Combo (Like Sheik)
6) Gen 6
7) He doesn't appear
 

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So people....

How would you like it if our final Pokemon roster was...

Pikachu
Pokemon Trainer (Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard)
Lucario
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo/Newtwo

Would you guys be satisfied with that?
 

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1) Gen 1 Mewtwo redesigned (new moves or maybe the spoon)
2) Gen 1 Mewtwo returns
3) Gen 1 Mewtwo with a Gen 6 Final Smash (Like Yoshi or Sonic)
4) Gen 1 Mewtwo with a Gen 6 Final Smash Transformation (Like Samus and Zero-Suit)
5) Gen 1/6 Combo (Like Sheik)
6) Gen 6
7) He doesn't appear

Seeing as you've taken my idea to it's logical next step, I just want to say I whole heartedly agree with this order.
 
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So people....

How would you like it if our final Pokemon roster was...

Pikachu
Pokemon Trainer (Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard)
Lucario
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo/Newtwo

Would you guys be satisfied with that?
Would love this and I consider this the most likely scenario.
 
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