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That's a very valid point. The poll does, however, come up with veteran results as well, which we can compare them to.
So even against veterans, Mewtwo is still the most requested. Roy is certainly belittled in comparison, however, going under characters like Lucas and Jigglypuff in popularity.
I don't think Platinum Games is a second party developer. They recently developed MGR:R for Xbox 360 and PS3. Nintendo owns no stake in the company (like it did with Rare and Retro before selling and fully buying the respectively) and I'm not aware a publishing agreement to be exclusive like Camelot Software Planning. I thought Nintendo was just publishing the games. Nintendo actually owns (or co-owns maybe) the IP of Golden Sun for example. I'm not sure if they own it for Wonderful 101.I already know Red Hero is 2nd Party
You could probably say it's fine to risk two reps.
Since there were 2 FE reps added in Melee.
Nintendo owns the W101 IP, but they don't own Platinum.
A source would be nice. I just assumed that they have a similar publishing deal to the one they had with Sega and Bayonetta.
Thanks. That's what I thought. Mewtwo and Roy are definitely in different leagues, both in popularity and in position in the franchise. Mewtwo is set to reappear in a large role once again due to its new form, while Roy was added as DLC among other lords. It's just the nature of the franchises. So I don't think it's between Roy and Chrom; it would be more Roy and Ike. And although Roy is ahead, its not exactly a slam dunk.
2nd edition of my display roster http://smashboards.com/threads/roster-prediction-display-thread.324220/page-5#post-15644284
-Diddy stays
-Klonoa out, Palutena in
4 brawlers getting cut:
-Falco
-Sonic
-Snake
-TL
There seems to have only one 3rd party fighter
http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=85727861&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch
Though it's not a slam dunk, it's still pretty freakin' significant to see Roy get consistently high marks in polls. Either way, with Ike being a recurrent lord with an established heavyweight moveset and Roy being above multiple characters that still appeared in Brawl despite not having been playable for 7 years inbetween, Chrom really has some stiff competition. It really depends on which route Intelligent Systems and Sakurai want to take in representing Fire Emblem.
The limitations of the number of third parties that could be in the roster. Three is fine, but four would be a bit too much.
There are definitely many "unexpected" characters here (Teleroboxer, Startropics, Hero 101), but I don't know if people will be happy with the roster.Now with Luigi:
I don't know why but I feel really comfortable if this was the final roster despite the major cuts.
We got a variety of unique characters here
Thanks for the info. News to me. Red Hero isnt a character I would add yet though, maybe Smash 5. He's gotta get in line behind all the Wii, DS, and GBA franchises yet to be represented
Based on the poll results, however, Lucina is barely past the notable landmark. Even Skull Kid (god forbid we get into that discussion again) is several tiers higher in votes.
With that many cuts I just wouldnt buy it and go back to playing brawl.
Eh. I just feel that the transformation would be pointlessly tacked on.
Bowser Jr. will probably join but I think Shadow Mario is indeed relevant to him, considering Mario will equip his F.L.U.D.D on his back with Down+B.
Once again, why replace the current trainer?
Don't worry, he's a good bet.
That's good. Bandanna Dee's a much better choice.
And there goes all credibility. K. Rool has been shown to be no bigger than Bowser. See Mario Super Sluggers.
Literally everything can have moveset potential. That's not an argument.
When did he ever say that this time around? If Falco was going to get cut, he'd have been cut in Brawl like some of the other clones.
Well, that's good.
Charizard was a Poke Ball Pokemon in Melee, but was made playable in Brawl. This argument is invalid.
Yeah? At the very least, Peach, Zelda, and Jiggs should be kept considering those are Melee veterans. I'm still not excited by the prospect of obscure characters like Muddy Mole and Harry replacing characters like Wolf and Toon Link in a game about "Nintendo's All-stars". You're definitely not going to make any happy campers to be adding Tom Nook and King Hippo when Villager was just confirmed and Little Mac isn't even in yet.
The roster is Ridley. (GET IT?New realistic roster (although I think the zelda series will receive another rep.)
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I unfortunately dont plz tell me as it has gone over my head.The roster is Ridley. (GET IT?
It's too big.
Based on what though exactly? And how is it that snake is always first on the chopping block? He has just a good a chance as sonic since there is no criteria for returning third parties, and i highly doubt they would favor one over the other, sakurai seems like he would respect each more than that.
I know but character slot wise it is under 50, so I see it as feasible. I doubt sakurai Is going to do major cuts and I doubt sakurai isnt going produce several new characters so its pretty realistic in my eyes but I do have a smaller list as well.It's too big.
It has a total of 56 characters (including transformations), which I really don't see happening.
Isn't Animal Crossing a big enough series to add at least two characters?
Am I the only person who thunks the 3DS limitations comment makes pair characters more likely? As in they are making them and running into problems. I'm more confident they won't cut characters they are already testing and having issues with and instead just find a way around the 3DS limitations in some way. I don't know much about awakening but if there is pair potential i feel like it might happen, just like diddy/dixie i feel is likely. reason being it gets more reps in a limited number of spaces and from what we know of brawl cuts (diddy/dixie, toon zelda) and stuff like pokemon trainer and zero suit samus sakurai is a fan of getting many characters under one selection spot.
Well Sega and Nintendo are basically in bed togehter with how much Sonic is being nintendo only recently. Sonic was/is considered Mario's biggest rival. Sonic also has much more revelance to Nintendo then Snake does. Snake was only put in Brawl as a favor to the person who created it. The only real argument for Snake to come back is that he is unique and lets face it, that isn't going to be enough of a reason to keep a character when there are more relevant character. Snake is pretty much the most likely and not at all surprising 3rd party to not come back. Sonic has considerably better chances then Snake in the regard.
After further reading, I still would like more info. From the very little I know about trademarks and copyrights, it seems to me that both are very different. So owning a trademark is different than owning the IP.Info: http://yourstory.in/2012/10/trademark-and-copyright-are-they-not-the-same/
I think Lucina's inclusion will have to be more than just popularity. Her best case would other factors, which I can go into detail about.
It's not that. It just seems excessive to suddenly add two characters from a brand new series. The series that do add two characters at once are always pre-existing ones. The only real exception to this is Fire Emblem, and even then, Roy was a last minute addition Sakurai figured he'd throw in promote the next game of the Fire Emblem series. Marth was the only one that made it to the transition to Brawl, however, which should speak for itself.
How is it an exception?
If Sakurai runs out of time, he would as Falco as a Fox clone again instead of Krystal.Here is my super lean realistic list if sakurai runs out of time.
nope he would chop the clones and keep the good unique characters and send falco to the costume departmentIf Sakurai runs out of time, he would as Falco as a Fox clone again instead of Krystal.
When did brand loyalty become a factor for 3rd parties though? It didnt stop him from getting in before, and it shouldnt stop him this time. Sonic's 3 game deal may have no impact at all on this game, people are just assuming since that and "the rivalry" are sure things for sonic's inclusion. No one can say with any definite fact that sonic has better chances than snake, anytime this is brought up people automatically make that assumption when there is no basis for it other than people thinking snake didnt fit or his ties arent strong enough, when if sakurai wants him in, hes gonna be in. Dont you guys think sakurai wouldnt just ditch one and keep the other? Id say if anything theres a bigger chance of them both not returning, it would at least respect both series and their characters if they were treated in the same respect as guests, while they bring in two new characters.