Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheLastJinjo]

Whether a franchise needs a character or not is not relevant.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I'm sorry. But frankly, I don't care about anything anymore, so it's not just you, if that makes you feel better

....Does this Palutena picture make you care?

 

[Starbound]

Who's your favorite FE female?

That gal to the right in my sig.

So Lucina.

 

[BKupa666]

Well, it's quite obvious that people aren't going to jump up and down at the prospect of characters getting cut out for newcomers. And I definitely don't think that has to happen with this game. However, with the next Smash, we'll be looking at a character roster in the mid 40s, which, given how Sakurai refuses to focus on the characters themselves and instead chooses to throw away development time on "game-changers" like the SSE and 3DS-to-Wii U character buffing, is not sustainable. One possible solution to this is to trim off a few of the "more minor" (Sakurai's words) characters in lieu of a reasonable cast of newcomers.

See, this is the part where the people who claim that characters don't matter at all, just give me fun playstyles, get their jimmies a bit rustled.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Metroid and Donkey Kong do. Like, a lot.

Why? We have Donkey and Diddy. We don't NEED anyone else.

 

[Sharkarat]

He's as unique as she is, if not moreso, arguably more important (at least currently), and if people want Bowser Jr. in as a "second Mario villain," sticking in King Boo, who couldn't possibly become a semi-clone, couldn't hurt (though I do like Jr. too).

I would like to see the argument on why King Boo is more Important than Rosalina.

 

[YoshiandToad]

BKupa666 brought up an interesting point-of-discussion: the potentiality of recycling characters in future iterations of Super Smash Brothers, as a means for bringing in more newcomers when the roster capacity reaches its limits. For example, Mega-Man being replaced for other third-party legends in Bomberman, Simon Belmont, etc. (my example, not BKupa666's).

What does everyone think about roster placement rotation?

EDIT: I'm not advocating the idea myself, but rather bringing it up as a means of discussion.

Honestly? I love it. Do it with the Pokemon. We have 700+ potential fighters from that series alone. Obviously Pikachu would have to stay(not sure if anyone else). I can imagine those whose mains got cycled out would be very upset though.

Who would you guys have as constants(as there would have to be some)?

 

[AncientTobacco]

As long as the characters getting cycled out aren't too important, I'm completely fine.

I missed Mewtwo in Brawl, but I understand why he wasn't in it and accept it. However, just like Mewtwo, Lucario's time is over and it's time to put Mewtwo back in his spot. The same with Roy to Ike, then Ike to Chrom (or hopefully, Robin). Some characters are only relevant for as long as they're relevant because they're not the be-all, end-all of the series. Samus and Ridley are both extremely important characters. Assuming Sakurai wises up and puts Ridley in, I would never expect Ridley to cycle out. Villager is the same way, as are all other "main" characters.

Rosalina I could see very well cycling out after this Rosalina fad is over. She's just not that important and the Mario series would, more or less, be the same without her.

Lucario's time is over? Have you played X/Y?

 

[Starbound]

I'd support cutting "more minor" characters if there was a more argeeable definition on what "more minor" means.

Like if Mewtwo was considered minor, then I can't support the idea. But if it's dudes like Lucario and Lucas, I can.

 

[TumblrFamous]

....Does this Palutena picture make you care?

...it's not like my life revolves around Palutena and Smash? Really it's revolved around eating and self-loathing.

Thank you though.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I would like to see the argument on why King Boo is more Important than Rosalina.

Er...there never was any argument as to why King Boo is more important than Rosalina.

Who's your favorite FE female?

Tiki easily.

...it's not like my life revolves around Palutena and Smash? Really it's revolved around eating and self-loathing.

Hey, I was just trying to help. I know how you feel, as I suffer from severe clinical depression myself.

 

[Morbi]

Honestly? I love it. Do it with the Pokemon. We have 700+ potential fighters from that series alone. Obviously Pikachu would have to stay(not sure if anyone else). I can imagine those whose mains got cycled out would be very upset though.

Who would you guys have as constants(as there would have to be some)?

Dr. Mario is the only necessary character. He needs to be in every Smash, they can get rid of Mario for all anyone cares.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Well, it's quite obvious that people aren't going to jump up and down at the prospect of characters getting cut out for newcomers. And I definitely don't think that has to happen with this game. However, with the next Smash, we'll be looking at a character roster in the mid 40s, which, given how Sakurai refuses to focus on the characters themselves and instead chooses to throw away development time on "game-changers" like the SSE and 3DS-to-Wii U character buffing, is not sustainable. One possible solution to this is to trim off a few of the "more minor" (Sakurai's words) characters in lieu of a reasonable cast of newcomers.

See, this is the part where the people who claim that characters don't matter at all, just give me fun playstyles, get their jimmies a bit rustled.

This is why clones are a good thing.

 

[UltimateWario]

Lucario's time is over? Have you played X/Y?

Yeah. Lucario can be playable along with that Lapras that other guy gives you. -eyeroll- He serves no purpose beyond a Mega Evo tutorial.

I would like to see the argument on why King Boo is more Important than Rosalina.

He's Luigi's Bowser. Rosalina's a side-character with a major role in one game and minor roles in a few others.

 

[Knight Dude]

Why? We have Donkey and Diddy. We don't NEED anyone else.

I would say at the very least their main villain should be added. K. Rool's both popular and important enough to be considered "needed". Maybe even the third protagonist too. But Dixie is on a lower level than K. Rool.

 

[Morbi]

Yeah. Lucario can be playable along with that Lapras that other guy gives you. -eyeroll- He serves no purpose beyond a Mega Evo tutorial.

It is about time Smash represents Lapras. Damn, it took them so long.

 

[FlareHabanero]

This is why clones are a good thing.

They're pretty lazy.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Who's your favorite FE female?

Lyn.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Kid Icarus doesn't need another character? Neither does Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Fire Emblem, or Metroid.

What in the holy name of all good things am I reading here?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

@Ariand/AEM: You know according to the gamecube library, Lip isn't really retro.

 

[Morbi]

What in the holy name of all good things am I reading here?

Metroid sure does have a plethora of unique, iconic, and relevant characters that are popular. Metroid NEEDS another representative, but which one to choose, there are oh so many.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Hey, I was just trying to help. I know how you feel, as I suffer from severe clinical depression myself.

I try to keep a positive attitude about it: it's just a label. Everyone is ****ed up in the head. The mind is way too complex to be fully comprehended.

 

[Shotguner159]

Who's your favorite FE female?

Lucina.

 

[Morbi]

I try to keep a positive attitude about it: it's just a label. Everyone is ****ed up in the head. The mind is way too complex to be fully comprehended.

That is what the government wants you to think.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

What in the holy name of all good things am I reading here?

You people see why "need" is a terrible defense, now? It's complete opinion. That and Sakurai isn't going to give a **** what franchise needs what if he wants it to have more.

 

[Arcadenik]

I'd support cutting "more minor" characters if there was a more argeeable definition on what "more minor" means.

Like if Mewtwo was considered minor, then I can't support the idea. But if it's dudes like Lucario and Lucas, I can.

Can't agree with you about Lucas... he is the protagonist of Mother 3 even though he is a minor.

 

[BKupa666]

I would like to see the argument on why King Boo is more Important than Rosalina.

Physical stature, first and foremost. He floats off the ground, thus allowing him to dodge low-hitting attacks entirely, but at the same time, he's essentially a tall character who can't duck the stronger KO attacks, which, given his floaty nature, can also serve as a disadvantage.

In terms of moves, he could theoretically copy Rosalina's puppetmaster gimmick in its entirety by summoning Boos to attack alongside him. He can vanish and reappear, or flicker in and out of visibility, to mindgame opponents. He can make stage-bending shockwaves of dust, or produce sonic screeches to paralyze opponents with fear. He can "huff and puff and blow you away," as he does during the first Luigi's Mansion. He has tongue attacks from Mario Sunshine (though some people consider that to be a different King Boo). He can produce ghostly mist to obscure the stage. He can possess opponents. And his Final Smash is his Bowser suit, which may or may not be the corpse of real Bowser.

This is just from the first Luigi's Mansion, so he may do more interesting stuff in Dark Moon as well.

EDIT: Damn, I misread that as "more unique than Rosalina." In terms of being more important, he's a two game main villain, a highly recurring boss, and is playable in a not-insignificant number of sports titles. Whether Rosalina being a one game NPC, one game cameo, playable in one Kart game and in one main series game overrides that is up for debate.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Panel de Pon for the Gamecube is just the same version and release just like any other Virtual Console game. So that makes everyone relevant.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

They're pretty lazy.

But they only tend to be in due to time constraints and Sakurai wanting to beef up the roster with relatively easier additions (or something like that), not because of a lack of creativity, so I don't see how they can be accused of being lazy additions.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I try to keep a positive attitude about it: it's just a label. Everyone is ****ed up in the head. The mind is way too complex to be fully comprehended.

Tell me about it.

What in the holy name of all good things am I reading here?

A quote from someone who most likely played neither highlighted franchises.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Metroid sure does have a plethora of unique, iconic, and relevant characters that are popular. Metroid NEEDS another representative, but which one to choose, there are oh so many.

Ridley, Meta Ridley, Omega Ridely, Neo-Ridley, and Robot Ridley.

Oh, and Samus in her bikini.

 

[Morbi]

You people see why "need" is a terrible defense, now? It's complete opinion. That and Sakurai isn't going to give a **** what franchise needs what if he wants it to have more.

Precisely, why did he almost add Toon Zelda? It wasn't because Zelda didn't NEED another representative(s), it is because he wanted to add her. He doesn't give a ****.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

If we have Donkey & Diddy. We don't NEED another. We don't have to HAVE another character.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

You people see why "need" is a terrible defense, now? It's complete opinion. That and Sakurai isn't going to give a **** what franchise needs what if he wants it to have more.

The last sentence doesn't really make much sense as I read it, I'm not sure what you're trying to get across.

Opinion, sure. I guess we can consider Donkey Kong on scale with Mother, and Metroid is a retro franchise too.

 

[UltimateWario]

Metroid sure does have a plethora of unique, iconic, and relevant characters that are popular. Metroid NEEDS another representative, but which one to choose, there are oh so many.

Metroid needs Ridley not because it has a ton of characters, but because we have Bowser, Ganondorf, King DeDeDe, and Mewtwo, and Ridley is right up there with them. Besides that, Metroid's had one rep since the beginning of the series, and is actually pretty popular and a major franchise. Hell, MOTHER has more characters than Metroid, and it has three games and is DEAD.

I've said it before and I'll say it now, we should've gotten Ridley (and King DeDeDe, for that matter) as far back as Melee.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

If we have Donkey & Diddy. We don't NEED another. We don't have to HAVE another character.

That's taking the word incredibly literal right there. I'm fairly certain you know what people mean when they say the word in that context.

 

[Starbound]

Can't agree with you about Lucas... he is the protagonist of Mother 3 even though he is a minor.

I like Mother 3, but I think that in the grand scheme of things, he's really just not that big of a deal.

Isn't he like 12 or something?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

The last sentence doesn't really make much sense as I read it, I'm not sure what you're trying to get across.

If Sakurai wants to add Palutena and give Kid Icarus a new character, whether or not it needs one will hardly concern him.

 

[Morbi]

The last sentence doesn't really make much sense as I read it, I'm not sure what you're trying to get across.

Opinion, sure. I guess we can consider Donkey Kong on scale with Mother, and Metroid is a retro franchise too.

Need isn't a part of the equation, Sakurai will do what he pleases. Did we NEED another Mother rep? Not really. Did we get one? Obviously. Why? Because he wanted to add another Mother rep. Subjective notions of what fans feel conceive an ideal roster are irrelevant as Sakurai's opinion is the only one that matters.

 

[AncientTobacco]

Yeah. Lucario can be playable along with that Lapras that other guy gives you. -eyeroll- He serves no purpose beyond a Mega Evo tutorial.

Which is way more than Mewtwo did.

Lucario played a part in the story, was apparently the first Pokemon to have Mega evolved, was given to you for free along with a Mega Stone and had a huge statue in the Tower of Mastery. Mewtwo? He was hanging out in a cave after you beat the game, having no involvement in the story whatsoever.