Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TumblrFamous]

Can we stop calling Robin "Tactician". I mean Sakurai doesn't call Ness: "Psychic Kid" just because you can choose your own name.

Actually, I agree with this. Sakurai will choose either, but Robin is more appealing.

 

[Morbi]

Can we stop calling Robin "Tactician". I mean Sakurai doesn't call Ness: "Psychic Kid" just because you can choose your own name.

I agree with this sentiment. It probably has to do with Pokemon Trainer creating that absurd precedent.

 

[BKupa666]

Someone just said Sakurai doesn't care about how many characters he adds from the Mario series so long as they're unique? Actually, Mario was one of two series Sakurai singled out as not wanting to overrepresent through character inclusions. Which is possibly why it has so many stages, items, trophies, music tracks and stickers instead. Pokemon was the other; again, which is possibly why its sole item is essentially its own category of item, with more focus put into it than any other item.

 

[Knight Dude]

Can we stop calling Robin "Tactician". I mean Sakurai doesn't call Ness: "Psychic Kid" just because you can choose your own name.

But he calls Red just the Pokemon Trainer. I don't even see that many people call Robin the Tactician. And even if they did, Isaac in another nation is called Robin. Though I think Robin is cooler, just throwing some possible logic into that side of the conversation.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Ahhh, fair enough.

Also, everyone who has a Wii U needs to do an ID exchange so we an play and do online tournaments together and all that smooth jazz.

Mine's Hotfeet444 for anyone that's interested, and I usually put out stuff on Miiverse and on the Tingle Bottle in Wind Waker HD and just plain comment in Super Mario 3D World and other jazz.

 

[Lasifer]

I agree with this sentiment. It probably has to do with Pokemon Trainer creating that absurd precedent.

I hope Sakurai just renames the Pokemon Trainer to Red if he returns.

 

[Morbi]

But he calls Red just the Pokemon Trainer. I don't even see that many people call Robin the Tactician. And even if they did, Isaac in another nation is called Robin.

That wasn't his point, his point was that the character has a name for the default appearance. Akin to how Link's name is Link, but you can change it to whatever you want. The character is still Robin even if you change the name. It is just a mechanic to name your save file.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Yeah, and Red is only one of several default names.

 

[Lasifer]

Mine's Hotfeet444 for anyone that's interested, and I usually put out stuff on Miiverse and on the Tingle Bottle in Wind Waker HD and just plain comment in Super Mario 3D World and other jazz.

Mine...is the username you're reading right now - Lasifer.

Also, for people who don't have a Wii U, how many people plan on buying one for Smash?

 

[Autumn ♫]

Yeah, and Red is only one of several default names.

And it's his official name too.

 

[Knight Dude]

Yeah, and Red is only one of several default names.

Fair enough point. But Red was his official name since Pokemon Gold and Silver. And it hasn't changed since.

 

[Arcadenik]

That wasn't his point, his point was that the character has a name for the default appearance. Akin to how Link's name is Link, but you can change it to whatever you want. The character is still Robin even if you change the name. It is just a mechanic to name your save file.

Sakurai really needs to call the Pokemon Trainer "Red" since he is clearly Red with the 3rd gen design... but I am not sure why he is called "Pokemon Trainer" instead of "Red".... at least Villager and Wii Fit Trainer actually had no names at all so Sakurai might as well call them "Villager" and "Wii Fit Trainer".

 

[Morbi]

Fair enough point. But Red was his official name since Pokemon Gold and Silver. And it hasn't changed since.

Didn't it change to Ash Ketchum recently?

 

[AncientTobacco]

Yeah, and Red is only one of several default names.

So is Ness.

 

[Morbi]

So is Ness.

Yeah, well Robin isn't.

 

[Oniric Spriter]

But if he calls the Pokémon Trainer Red that means we won't get a Leaf costume.

 

[BKupa666]

Also, I'd love to get some sort of King Boo momentum going so that, by the time next game rolls around, he could have a legitimate shot at playability. If he were a boss in this game, said momentum could certainly be kickstarted.

Or, if King Boo alone isn't enough for the uniqueness blokes out there, how about a KING BOO AND PETEY PIRANHA DUO since that was a thing in one game?

 

[Manny Toons]

The intent isn't relevant. The notion that Waluigi is closely associated as an original character conceived for spin-off games is enough. He doesn't need to be the main character to most accurately represent the game.

Rosalina is enough proof of this. Almost her entire moveset is comprised of moves that only Mario/Luigi displayed during Galaxy 1 and 2. She was certainly not the main character of Galaxy 1 and had quite a brief appearance in the sequel. Still ended up in Smash with a moveset referencing the Galaxy series as a whole. Mario and Luigi could've easily done the same. It's all based on what Sakurai thinks fits, I guess.

 

[josh bones]

I know it's over, but Luigi's mansion is 2 games. He fought Mario as much. (64 ds, sunshine when he did drugs.) Waluigi beat up bowser who is boss of king boo so waluigi>king boo

 

[Morbi]

But if he calls the Pokémon Trainer Red that means we won't get a Leaf costume.

Good point, I hadn't thought of that.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Also, I'd love to get some sort of King Boo momentum going so that, by the time next game rolls around, he could have a legitimate shot at playability. If he were a boss in this game, said momentum could certainly be kickstarted.

Or, if King Boo alone isn't enough for the uniqueness blokes out there, how about a KING BOO AND PETEY PIRANHA DUO since that was a thing in one game?

What you just did there, I see it.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Was the example given really "Let's not call the Tactician tactician because Ness isn't called psychic kid". Er...newsflash, he was advertised and shown off as Ness, it's his real name, it was always the character's name. It may have been changeable, but in the end it was still Ness. The same with Link.The Pokemon Trainer wasn't advertised as "Play as Red", it's just who YOU play as, and can go by many names. The Villager wasn't advertised as "Play as Bob", it's who YOU play as and can go by literally any name. The Tactician wasn't advertised as Robin, it was advertised as the avatar character to represent the player, and Robin is just a default name. These three characters are in the same vein as each other as avatar characters and should be called such. Pokemon Trainer is a pokemon trainer, Villager is a villager, Tactician is a tactician, it's that simple. Now can we move on from this utterly stupid subject?

 

[AncientTobacco]

I know it's over, but Luigi's mansion is 2 games. He fought Mario as much. (64 ds, sunshine when he did drugs.) Waluigi beat up bowser who is boss of king boo so waluigi>king boo

Not that it really matters, but the "King Boo" in Sunshine is actually a different character. He has a different Japanese name and everything.

 

[Manny Toons]

Yeah, and Red is only one of several default names.

So is Ness. :B

EDIT: Beaten with a baseball bat.

 

[Morbi]

Not that it really matters, but the "King Boo" in Sunshine is actually a different character. He has a different Japanese name and everything.

Mind = Blown.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Now can we move on from this utterly stupid subject?

Agreed. There are many better and much more interesting subjects to discuss.

 

[Knight Dude]

Didn't it change to Ash Ketchum recently?

Don't you go there. Just don't.

Also, I'd love to get some sort of King Boo momentum going so that, by the time next game rolls around, he could have a legitimate shot at playability. If he were a boss in this game, said momentum could certainly be kickstarted.

Or, if King Boo alone isn't enough for the uniqueness blokes out there, how about a KING BOO AND PETEY PIRANHA DUO since that was a thing in one game?

You serious about that? I wouldn't take you for someone that likes King Boo. I think he'd be an okay choice. Just an okay choice.

 

[Arcadenik]

Mine...is the username you're reading right now - Lasifer.

Also, for people who don't have a Wii U, how many people plan on buying one for Smash?

I already got a Wii U... I definitely will buy both Smash Wii U and Smash 3DS. Who else are getting both?!

 

[Hotfeet444]

Mine...is the username you're reading right now - Lasifer.

Also, for people who don't have a Wii U, how many people plan on buying one for Smash?

I just sent you a friend request.

I already got a Wii U... I definitely will buy both Smash Wii U and Smash 3DS. Who else are getting both?!

*Raises hand*

 

[Morbi]

I already got a Wii U... I definitely will buy both Smash Wii U and Smash 3DS. Who else are getting both?!

Everyone that cares about the game?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Why would you need a costume for a character in the background? Also that means the Pokemon themselves still wouldn't be the main color.

Also, is Hotfeet making King Boo propaganda?

 

[Autumn ♫]

Why would you need a costume for a character in the background? Also that means the Pokemon themselves still wouldn't be the main color.

Also, is Hotfeet making King Boo propaganda?

At least King Boo is interesting and if you mean by propaganda the same way I use Vaati, then yes.

 

[BKupa666]

You serious about that? I wouldn't take you for someone that likes King Boo. I think he'd be an okay choice. Just an okay choice.

I'm a fan of, or at least appreciate most Nintendo villains, so I'd be quite happy with King Boo. He'd be a great choice with the right moveset, full of ghost summoning and general trickery, though if it were limited to just barebones "breathes blue fire, makes a shockwave, etc," it wouldn't have nearly as much appeal. Though that's the case for virtually every character with a lot of moveset potential.

 

[Arcadenik]

Why would you need a costume for a character in the background? Also that means the Pokemon themselves still wouldn't be the main color.

Also, is Hotfeet making King Boo propaganda?

Well, let's just make Red's Pokemon the default colors... and give Leaf's Pokemon the Shiny recolors as their default colors!

 

[Lasifer]

I just sent you a friend request.

Accepted! Alright, up to three friends on the Wii U now. XD

Anyone think Nintendo is going to make a Wii U or 3DS Smash bundle...or both?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

King Boo would be awesome, but I don't see how that's possible with 6 Mario characters. Not that he'd merit an inclusion as the fifth.

He'd be a kick ass boss though and should be.

 

[Morbi]

King Boo would be awesome, but I don't see how that's possible with 6 Mario characters. Not that he'd merit an inclusion as the fifth.

He'd be a kick *** boss though and should be.

Did Rosalina truly merit an inclusion as the fifth?

 

[Knight Dude]

Why would you need a costume for a character in the background? Also that means the Pokemon themselves still wouldn't be the main color.
Also, is Hotfeet making King Boo propaganda?

Yeah. I don't get the point of adding costumes for the Pokemon Trainer. Since Red is in the background. It's not like the actual Pokemon games, where the Trainer has an impact on the game.

I'm a fan of, or at least appreciate most Nintendo villains, so I'd be quite happy with King Boo. He'd be a great choice with the right moveset, full of ghost summoning and general trickery, though if it were limited to just barebones "breathes blue fire, makes a shockwave, etc," it wouldn't have nearly as much appeal. Though that's the case for virtually every character with a lot of moveset potential.

Well I suppose he could work. Still not completely sold. Moveset isn't an issue though, but I would like to see him make more appearances. What do you think of Captain Syrup? She would be an alright choice too.

 

[Morbi]

Yeah. I don't get the point of adding costumes for the Pokemon Trainer. Since Red is in the background. It's not like the actual Pokemon games, where the Trainer has an impact on the game.



Well I suppose he could work. Still not completely sold. Moveset isn't an issue though, but I would like to see him make more appearances. What do you think of Captain Syrup? She would be an alright choice too.

Immersion purposes. I mean that is the point of costumes in the first place, it isn't like they have an impact on the game.

 

[Deleted member]

Difference being that Wario has two separate series of games that sell well, and was Mario's main enemy in Super Mario Land 2.

Which doesn't at all contribute to the point that was being made.
Wario having his own games doesn't change the fact that like Waluigi, he barely counts as a rival.

Perhaps, but at least Wario has actually done something of value in the Mario series to compete and just plain piss off Mario, seeing how he stole away Mario's castle in Super Mario Land 2. Hell, Luigi doesn't even really care about him. Wins a tournament, just gets brushed aside with a "Eh, whatever". He's more like he's trying to impress him like Luigi's his Alcoholic father than actually being his rival. And when Waluigi does something of value (Bullet Bill in the ball launcher in Sluggers, Bob-omb blaster in Power Tennis) It's never directly aimed at Luigi, it's at usually both brothers.

The "eh, whatever" holds more power that you think it does.
In that game, Luigi is clearly shown to hold an actual rivalry. Especially considering he is the one to pick a fight in the opening, not Waluigi.
That "eh, whatever" is more along the lines of denying Waluigi the reaction he wanted in a final act of mockery.

...and then later games pussified Luigi, making such negativity towards Waluigi out of character.
EDIT: While Waluigi now comes off as rather stalkish, in cases such as Mario & Sonic at the London 2013 Olympic Games, where he is shown to have invented the "Waluigiscopes" just to spy on Luigi and find out his weaknesses.