Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Louie G.]

On the topic of Fire Emblem, there's something I've been thinking about.
Awakening is a huge game for the Fire Emblem franchise. It saved the series from its demise, due to its incredible sales and critical acclaim.
And it just so happened to be released around the time when Sakurai was starting to decide on a roster for Smash Bros 4.
So I am about 90% sure that if we get a new Fire Emblem character, Intelligent Systems will have told Sakurai to add a character to represent and advertise Awakening.
Sure, Roy and Lyn would be neat. But if you look at this completely unbiased, like me (who hasn't played a FE game until Awakening), it seems quite obvious that Sakurai would go for an Awakening character.
So that being said, Chrom and Robin are the safest bets. Take your pick.

 

[Baskerville]

Man, this is why I want a Fire Emblem Fighting Game.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Oh, and Lyn suckz cuz shez suckz shez dum leaf out of Smash please.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Paper Mario hasn't been in Smash last I checked, and he certainly hasn't been a clone like Doc has, I think he'd be more interesting. I rest my case.

You just contradicted yourself. You're case against Dr. Mario was to disregard his differences on the basis that he like Paper Mario is in fact canonically literally the same person.

>Kid
>LEL

>Boy
>LUL

You did sweetie

Dr. Mario is an ALTERNATE PERSONA of Mario.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

It's not. Because Roy can have fire attacks that are not just elemental for show. The fire is the only thing that can declone him into a semi-clone. But, even then he has different characteristics unlike Chrom who is based off Marth for the most part.

(In true Smashboards fashion, I'm sure people who don't read will call me hypocritical for predicting Dr. Mario, when I actually don't. I just want him.)


I don't think so no.


It's only hypocritical if you actually assume Roy will get no changes. Which doesn't make sense after Falco and Ganondorf.

So what you're saying is, that even with alternative weapons, skills, or gameplay concepts, Chrom would never have the ability to be unique? Unlike a guy that is different based on fire? Only fire?

Both can be unique in their own right, but that is yet to be seen.

 

[Kenith]

If Toon Link is acceptable, Dr. Mario should be acceptable as well.

By that logic, why don't we include Mr. L too?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Man, this is why I want a Fire Emblem Fighting Game.

Maybe we can have the same strategy RPG, only this time during battle, you go into battle mode which allows you to have full control of the unit, my god how fun would that be.

 

[Knight Dude]

On the topic of Fire Emblem, there's something I've been thinking about.
Awakening is a huge game for the Fire Emblem franchise. It saved the series from its demise, due to its incredible sales and critical acclaim.
And it just so happened to be released around the time when Sakurai was starting to decide on a roster for Smash Bros 4.
So I am about 90% sure that if we get a new Fire Emblem character, Intelligent Systems will have told Sakurai to add a character to represent and advertise Awakening.
Sure, Roy and Lyn would be neat. But if you look at this completely unbiased, like me (who hasn't played a FE game until Awakening), it seems quite obvious that Sakurai would go for an Awakening character.
So that being said, Chrom and Robin are the safest bets. Take your pick.

I guess it could work out like that. But I don't really care what they do for Fire Emblem as long as we keep Ike. Chrom, Roy, Lucina, Lyn, Black Knight or anyone else important enough to the series is fine by me. Just as long as the two Brawl vets are still around.

 

[Kewkky]

I really really really really hope Captain Falcon makes it into the game and doesn't totally suck.

 

[Curious Villager]

Eh in terms of Fire Emblem, the only characters who actually interest me are Lyndis and Anna, and since both are unlikely (especially the latter) I'm not too interested with what the outcome for that series would be. Marth and Ike are just fine by me honestly.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I don't understand how you could be this dead set against Roy under the basis that he was a clone and did nothing to be different from Marth

You can't possibly be literate if that was your response to my post. I literally JUST said that Roy like Falco and Ganondorf would be re hauled. So the basis that he was a pure clone in Melee is irrelevant to Smash 4.

yet fully support the inclusion of Pichu and Doc, both of which were equally if not worse offenders of the clone stigma than Roy.

Yep I was right! I told you somebody would think I predict Dr. Mario just because I want him. Predicting Roy is not the same as wanting Dr. Mario. Wanting and predicting are two completely different things. And again, the basis that a character was a full clone in Melee is irrelevant. With the exception of Pichu and Young Link obviously.

Is this really that hard to understand???

 

[BluePikmin11]

On the topic of Fire Emblem, there's something I've been thinking about.
Awakening is a huge game for the Fire Emblem franchise. It saved the series from its demise, due to its incredible sales and critical acclaim.
And it just so happened to be released around the time when Sakurai was starting to decide on a roster for Smash Bros 4.
So I am about 90% sure that if we get a new Fire Emblem character, Intelligent Systems will have told Sakurai to add a character to represent and advertise Awakening.
Sure, Roy and Lyn would be neat. But if you look at this completely unbiased, like me (who hasn't played a FE game until Awakening), it seems quite obvious that Sakurai would go for an Awakening character.
So that being said, Chrom and Robin are the safest bets. Take your pick.

Chrom, Chrom+Lucina, Robin, and Anna seem like the best choices for something to be derived from Awakening.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Anna FTW. No need for T3h Ph1re here.

 

[Knight Dude]

I really really really really hope Captain Falcon makes it into the game and doesn't totally suck.

He'll make it in. And the Knee of Justice does 999 damage on it's sourspot.

 

[CombatScouter]

Pichu actually should return. There, I said it.

Well, if it makes people happy and he's actually given a respectable moveset, I wouldn't mind. If they're going to make him terrible just because, then no thanks.

 

[SuperBrawler]

You did sweetie [/quote]
I think Noah meantime is the most popular version of Mario. So apparently he is more popular than Paper Mario.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

So what you're saying is, that even with alternative weapons, skills, or gameplay concepts, Chrom would never have the ability to be unique? Unlike a guy that is different based on fire? Only fire?

Roy has different skills and weapons too. Not that any of these weapons would make it into their move set or be enough to differentiate Chrom enough.

 

[Deleted member]

On the topic of Fire Emblem, there's something I've been thinking about.
Awakening is a huge game for the Fire Emblem franchise. It saved the series from its demise, due to its incredible sales and critical acclaim.
And it just so happened to be released around the time when Sakurai was starting to decide on a roster for Smash Bros 4.
So I am about 90% sure that if we get a new Fire Emblem character, Intelligent Systems will have told Sakurai to add a character to represent and advertise Awakening.
Sure, Roy and Lyn would be neat. But if you look at this completely unbiased, like me (who hasn't played a FE game until Awakening), it seems quite obvious that Sakurai would go for an Awakening character.
So that being said, Chrom and Robin are the safest bets. Take your pick.

If you've played Awakening then I would hardly say that's "unbiased" as you've got bias for the one FE game you've played. Just saiyan .

You just contradicted yourself. You're case against Dr. Mario was to disregard his differences on the basis that he like Paper Mario is in fact canonically literally the same person.

Yeah, and between him and Doc, Paper Mario is the more interesting and iconic of the two, especially since Paper Mario is "RPG Mario" thereby including SMRPG and M&L to what he 'represents' (using that argument you all like so much).

I don't see the point of re-adding a clone and changing him around, when you could instead add a totally new character who has more games to draw reference from.

>Boy
>LUL

Well, you sure act underage don't look at me...

Dr. Mario is an ALTERNATE PERSONA of Mario.

Yeah, and this is also a 'persona' of Mario:

The original also counts as a form of him, w/e though, it was simple miss-communication, so I'll just drop it.

 

[Deleted member]

As for the YL, TL and Adult Link debate...

I would simply say that some people like me prefer Link when he's a child (and Toon Link has always been a child, the Cartoony style is an 'addition') and others prefer him older.

Period.

 

[Deleted member]

It means that Adult Link is only there to please the fans, but the game designers, much like many of us, consider a child-like Link to be the original representation of the character. Thus, there will forever be two Links and one will always be a child as long as the designers chose to make reference to the heart of the series, a time in which it was the adventure of a Young boy on a quest to save a princess, not some gritty anime-inspired adventure like Final Fantasy.

That doesn't explain why we need Toon Link. Only why we have Toon Link.
Aside from that....other than Ocarina of Time and possibly Twilight Princess, Link's always within the pre-teen to teen range. Never an actual child.

 

[Louie G.]

If you've played Awakening then I would hardly say that's "unbiased" as you've got bias for the one FE game you've played. Just saiyan .

I understand, but I'm actually very early in the game. It's so frustrating when you lose a character that you really like, and then you have to reset a million times.
But I mean, it's not like Awakening is mind blowing for me, at least not yet. It's just a game that I enjoy and I plan on going back to play some other FE games as well.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Yeah, and between him and Doc, Paper Mario is the more interesting and iconic of the two, especially since Paper Mario is "RPG Mario" thereby including SMRPG and M&L to what he 'represents' (using that argument you all like so much).

I really don't care, my point still stands that you contradicted your own case. And no, Paper Mario is not more iconic than Dr. Mario and representing a genre doesn't make him more iconic either.

Well, you sure act underage don't look at me...

You call me "boy" because I wanted Dr. Mario and consider a classic Nintendo icon to be more important than Issac (which is also opinion btw), post eye rolling and winking gifs, and then you question my maturity and age simply because I disagree with you. Clearly I'M acting underage.

Yeah, and this is also a 'persona' of Mario:

That's not nearly as iconic as Dr. Mario.

 

[Kenith]

I understand, but I'm actually very early in the game. It's so frustrating when you lose a character that you really like, and then you have to reset a million times.
But I mean, it's not like Awakening is mind blowing for me, at least not yet. It's just a game that I enjoy and I plan on going back to play some other FE games as well.

I'm almost done with Awakening, I love it and it's characters, but I'm not assuming any of them get in.

 

[Deleted member]

You can't possibly be literate if that was your response to my post. I literally JUST said that Roy like Falco and Ganondorf would be re hauled. So the basis that he was a pure clone in Melee is irrelevant to Smash 4.

Sorry, this thread moves too fast, I speed-read it. Musta missed it.

Yep I was right! I told you somebody would think I predict Dr. Mario just because I want him. Predicting Roy is not the same as wanting Dr. Mario. Wanting and predicting are two completely different things. And again, the basis that a character was a full clone in Melee is irrelevant. With the exception of Pichu and Young Link obviously.

Is this really that hard to understand???

You can want him all you like, but I'll tell you the same I tell Yuii, just cause you want him doesn't mean he's got any chance really... Especially not when Paper Mario is as popular as he is.

And I also don't get how YL and Pichu are exceptions but Doc isn't, your logic is confusing...

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Roy has different skills and weapons too. Not that any of these weapons would make it into their move set or be enough to differentiate Chrom enough.

See, that's your opinion that it wouldn't make him unique enough. You don't know that the weapons wouldn't be integrated into the game either.

As you said yourself. Just because something didn't happen before doesn't mean it can't happen this time.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

See, that's your opinion that it wouldn't make him unique enough.

A lance as a side special doesn't make up for the rest of his Specials and Smash attacks.

You don't know that the weapons wouldn't be integrated into the game either.

Considering weaponry is not iconic or unique to Chrom as it was not iconic or unique to Marth and Ike either, there is really no reason to assume Chrom would get it.

 

[Deleted member]

That doesn't explain why we need Toon Link. Only why we have Toon Link.
Aside from that....other than Ocarina of Time and possibly Twilight Princess, Link's always within the pre-teen to teen range. Never an actual child.

Preteen =/= adult.

I understand, but I'm actually very early in the game. It's so frustrating when you lose a character that you really like, and then you have to reset a million times.
But I mean, it's not like Awakening is mind blowing for me, at least not yet. It's just a game that I enjoy and I plan on going back to play some other FE games as well.

Welcome to Fire Emblem, enjoy your stay. I recommend you don't play the Japanese ones if you find Awakening frustrating. You'll be tearing your hair out with those...

That's not nearly as iconic as Dr. Mario.

THAT'S IT!

I give up.

Boy, you are one silly kid.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

just cause you want him doesn't mean he's got any chance really...

Is that not what I JUST said?

 

[Kenith]

I really don't care, my point still stands that you contradicted your own case. And no, Paper Mario is not more iconic than Dr. Mario and representing a genre doesn't make him more iconic either.

Paper Mario less iconic than Dr. Mario? What?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Wing Mario is not as iconic as Dr. Mario?

THAT'S IT!

I give up.

Boy, you are one silly kid.

Yes, you clearly just proved it is I who is acting underage.

 

[Sobreviviente]

Dr Mario, Paper Mario, Baby Mario and 8bit Mario.
Do you'll seriously mind? i will love it

 

[Depressed Gengar]

FE debate?
Anna > Lyn > Everyone else >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roy

 

[Deleted member]

Paper Mario less iconic than Dr. Mario? What?

Oh, I wasn't even gonna bother with that. He just said Original Mario is not as iconic as Dr. Mario...

 

[Kenith]

THAT'S IT!

I give up.

Boy, you are one silly kid.

I AGREE! I give up too!

I don't even know what we're talking about even more!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Paper Mario less iconic than Dr. Mario? What?

That's Mario's most popular and iconic occupation outside being a hero and a villian.

He just said Original Mario is not as iconic as Dr. Mario...

Okay, just go around claiming I said stuff I never said. That's not underage either.

 

[Louie G.]

That's Mario's most popular and iconic occupation outside being a hero and a villian.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Explain why Paper Mario is suddenly more iconic than Dr. Mario? Because he's more requested? Well then I guess Geno is more iconic than him too in that case.

 

[Deleted member]

By that logic, why don't we include Mr. L too?

Is Mr. L the star of his own series? Nope.
Is Mr. L a major character in the series he's in? Nope.

That aside, your comparison falls apart when you factor in that Mr. L is a separate character to Luigi while using the same body (much like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde or Bruce Banner, Hulk, and Grey Hulk). As opposed to Mario using a medical alias while playing doctor or "Toon Link" being just Link from Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass.
It also falls apart when....Toon Link and Dr. Mario were all in Smash already and Mr. L has not been.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

A lance as a side special doesn't make up for the rest of his Specials and Smash attacks.


Considering weaponry is not iconic or unique to Chrom as it was not iconic or unique to Marth and Ike either, there is really no reason to assume Chrom would get it.

How about using Rally as a Down B to boost a stat? Or using a Bow and Arrow as a side B, and then using the Lance as both a stabbing and throwing attack, whether one be a Smash attack and one a special/tilt? Or having a stance change to have different moves aside from Falchion?

You lack vision, except when it fancies you. Just because it isn't iconic to Chrom, he can't use it? The only possible move he has that can be unique is a side special? You clearly aren't trying hard enough to come up with something. But of course Roy, who has Fire has waaaay more chance to be unique...

It isn't iconic for Rosalina to use the Lumas to fight, yet she does it in game. It isn't iconic for the Villager to fight anybody, nor the Wii Fit Trainer. It isn't iconic of Mario to do the Mario Tornado, but he does it anyway.

Doesn't matter what is iconic in Smash Bros. Sometimes Sakurai takes liberties. You can't say he won't take liberties with Chrom just because you don't think there's any chance. Of course there is a chance. Just like Roy being only a semi-clone instead of completely original.

 

[Deleted member]

Okay, just go around claiming I said stuff I never said. That's not underage either.

I posted a pic of original Mario and you said:

That's not nearly as iconic as Dr. Mario.

Look, quit getting so butthurt over nothing ok, I'm not trying to start a war, I swear

Explain why Paper Mario is suddenly more iconic than Dr. Mario? Because he's more requested? Well then I guess Geno is more iconic than him too in that case.

To use YOUR argument from the Isaac v. Lip debate.

He's got more games