Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Richard Nixon]

Honestly with not much important characters left from veteran franchises, they could have 1/5 of the newcomers contain retros.

Considering I'm only expecting around 10 newcomers (give or take a few), 2 of them being retro doesn't really sound too bad.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I still think it'll be 1, there are still all star characters left to pick

that won't stop Sakurai from adding 2 retros so long as he wants 2.

 

[SuperBrawler]

I think.... he'll just revive one, just like he did with pit. Retros are not more important than boneafied star characters. People would prefer King K Rool over a sable, and would provide more hype than a retro. I mean discovering that the king of kremlins is back is a promotion, and would have many people interested in the DK franchise again (if they weren't already).

I liked your blue anna better btw, the sable creeps me out.

It's because me and Louie are doing Muddy Mole avatars

 

[Hotfeet444]

What about Ray Mk III people?

Can we make it Ray 01? I always liked that design much more, but that's just me.

Edit: Also, what's this I hear about a speculator tourney?

 

[XStarWarriorX]

that won't stop Sakurai from adding 2 retros so long as he wants 2.

But we don't know if he actually wants 2 retros.

I'm sure he knows about the popular requests.

Can we make it Ray 01? I always liked that design much more, but that's just me.

Edit: Also, what's this I hear about a speculator tourney?

Do you want to join?

 

[BluePikmin11]

But we don't know if he actually wants 2 retros.

I'm sure he knows about the popular requests.


Do you want to join?

Though asking him for only popular characters, doesn't get Sakurai excited.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

What do you guys think about the chances of getting 2 retros?

Certainly a possibility, though I wouldn't know how likely it is that we'll get 2 or more myself, as again I don't know much about most possible retro newcomers.

But the people won't really affect Sakurai's decisions on the roster.

Well then what about characters like Wario? IIRC his popularity was a major reason for his inclusion. I'm certain requests are indeed taken into consideration.

You must not forget about Pokemon either. Popularity is one of the, if not the most important factor when it comes to adding Pokemon characters.

 

[Anderceus]

Just thought I'd throw this out there for all my fellow Diskun supporters: there was a Diskun hat available in the StreetPass Mii Plaza, so Nintendo has certainly not forgotten him.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Though asking him for only popular characters, doesn't get Sakurai excited.

How do you know this?

 

[Hotfeet444]

But we don't know if he actually wants 2 retros.

I'm sure he knows about the popular requests.


Do you want to join?

I don't mind joining, just don't expect anything amazing as I haven't played in a while and Sonic + online lag = I'm going to go over to the corner and cry.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

http://projectmgame.com/en/download

"Hackless Wii Zip"

From what I understand, that works on the Wii U.

Might want to double check though.

What about Ray Mk III people?

It works on Wii U, just make sure to put the SD card in after you go into the Wii Menu, if you don't the Wii U will try to delete the files as it's unrecognized. Project M leaves no trace on the non-homebrew version.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

I don't mind joining, just don't expect anything amazing as I haven't played in a while and Sonic + online lag = I'm going to go over to the corner and cry.

Doesn't matter, anyone can join. Its a just for fun thing for smash speculators since I have never seen anyone do this. Its long overdue imo.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

popularity is like frikin catnip to you guys

 

[BluePikmin11]

Popularity only makes them more notable to Sakurai when it comes to decisions.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

popularity is like frikin catnip to you guys

I can't take you seriously with that avatar of yours

 

[BluePikmin11]

How do you know this?

It was said in Sakurai's pre-Brawl journal. You want me to give you a link?

 

[XStarWarriorX]

It was said in Sakurai's pre-Brawl journal. You want me to give you a link?

Yes.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Doesn't matter, anyone can join. Its a just for fun thing for smash speculators since I have never seen anyone do this. Its long overdue imo.

Well then I'll make sure I can put on a "Way Past Cool" Performance.

 

[---]

In regards to popularity, I'd thought I'd point this out:

#201-210: Sakurai says in response to an email asking only for well-known characters (like Mario, Link, etc.) to appear in SSBB, "Asking only for popular characters to appear in Smash...doesn't get me excited"

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Clearly being more deserving and popular will make you automatically higher priority

 

[Danial]

Check out my top 5 list of smash bros charecters here : <removed link>

 

[BluePikmin11]

In regards to popularity, I'd thought I'd point this out:

Yep this exactly.

 

[Knight Dude]

Someone mentioned Ray? I'd like to see some Custom Robo character in Smash one day. Not sure if it would happen though. But the character has alot of weapons to work with. And he just looks really cool too. So if I were to pick someone from the N64 era, it would be him. Not that Saki is a bad choice either.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Yep this exactly.

Doesn't mean he'll add retros though.

Wii fit trainer is not a retro, and she wasn't highly requested. I read this as he'll likely add characters that weren't highly requested than adding retros.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Clearly being more deserving and popular will make you automatically higher priority

Point to where I said popularity makes characters higher priority.

I only said character popularity and requests are taken into consideration.

 

[Danial]

GOKU FOR SMASH BROS!
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[BluePikmin11]

Doesn't mean he'll add retros though.

Wii fit trainer is not a retro, and she wasn't highly requested. I read this as he'll likely add characters that weren't highly requested than adding retros.

The point of the Wii Fit Trainer part was that she wasn't highly requested, just like retros, who are noticably quiet in the amount of requests. Don't expect every newcomer to based on popularity.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

GOKU FOR SMASH BROS!
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Did you not read the Link?

Manga/anime characters will NEVER be in a smash bros game.

You were expecting a "get out" weren't you? Too bad, i'm 2 nice.

The point of the Wii Fit Trainer part was that she wasn't highly requested, just like retros, who are noticably quiet in the amount of requests. Don't expect every newcomer to based on popularity.

I wasn't expecting that, I'm a lyn supporter after all.

Just saying I don't expect a muddy mole or sable. Takamaru I can see but the others.... like jumpman? No.

 

[Starbound]

The point of the Wii Fit Trainer part was that she wasn't highly requested, just like retros, who are noticably quiet in the amount of requests. Don't expect every newcomer to based on popularity.

The opposite is also true. Don't expect every newcomer based on their lack of popularity.

 

[Arcanir]

The point of the Wii Fit Trainer part was that she wasn't highly requested, just like retros, who are noticably quiet in the amount of requests. Don't expect every newcomer to based on popularity.

Of course not, but that doesn't mean we'll suddenly be getting completely obscure and unpopular characters either, it goes both ways.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

The point of the Wii Fit Trainer part was that she wasn't highly requested, just like retros, who are noticably quiet in the amount of requests. Don't expect every newcomer to based on popularity.

Of course popularity isn't the most important factor. I'm well aware it isn't. And potential is a large factor, but it's still no good reason to add a bunch of retro characters that aren't very well known or liked in comparison to characters like K. Rool or Ridley.

I've found it to be obvious that Rosalina's moveset and gameplay potential is likely the most important factor regarding her inclusion. Potential is something I look into for nearly every possible newcomer (with the exception of certain possible clones. Not all possible clones and semi-clones, mind you.). For example I'd expect K. Rool to be included not just because of his importance and popularity, but also because of his potential, he seems like a character right up Sakurai's alley.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Of course not, but that doesn't mean we'll suddenly be getting completely obscure and unpopular characters either, it goes both ways.

Yeah you're right on that, I don't think we'll get lots of really obscure ones either. A balance between them.

 

[LordJackal]

Rosalina was actually a fan (and developer) favorite character. She was very popular for the small amount of games she was in.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Well, I would agree that her popularity helped her inclusion, but was certainly not the main reason for her inclusion.

Sakurai saw her gameplay and moveset potential, in that regard she seems to have stood out much more than the other possible Mario newcomers.

 

[LordJackal]

Yeah, but I doubt she would have been looked at in the first place if the fans didn't like her. Pretty sure that's why they decided to bring her back into other games recently, too. Her popularity endured past the Galaxy games.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Still wanna know how popular Rosalina was in Japan.

Real curious about it...

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Yeah, but I doubt she would have been looked at in the first place if the fans didn't like her. Pretty sure that's why they decided to bring her back into other games recently, too. Her popularity endured past the Galaxy games.

Her popularity certainly helped her, I'm not doubting that.

For her it was basically a combination of her popularity and potential. Without one of those factors she most likely would not have gotten in. I'd say the same is true for most possible newcomers. (aside from many retros and clones/semi-clones)

 

[IsmaR]

It endured partially because they kept shoving their favorite waifu down our throats until she became a staple.

 

[Deleted member]

Did you not read the Link?

Manga/anime characters will NEVER be in a smash bros game.

Manga characters will not be featured in Brawl =/= Manga characters will never be in Smash in the future.

Not saying it's likely to happen at this point (it wouldn't be a possibility until at least after this pair of games by what I see), and while Sakurai has brought up as early as the original Smash that characters outside of gaming media such as James Bond and Popeye (both being examples from Nintendo games) have licensing costs that aren't worth the hassle, he did say the same thing about non-Nintendo gaming characters as well, and we've had three of those so far.

EDIT: My point is, there will eventually be a time when "GOKU IN SMASH BROS.!" could be more than a fanboy's dream, just like what happened with "SONIC IN SMASH BROS.!".

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

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