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I agree with bell pepper, they do get rather pointless at times, but seeing this is a time killer....
anyway i'm fine with either staying or going from this world, but i haven't let yet so i guess i'll keep on living....
Thank you! Somebody else gets it!Around since the original game is a moot point, as Impa never actually appeared in a game until Ocarina of Time. Just in the manuals for Zelda 1 and 2. And even then, she doesn't do anything except tell Link he needs to go save Zelda. I guess that one Toad that told Mario and Luigi Peach was in trouble in Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga impacted that game's story.
Aside from that, she barely influenced the story in the games she makes an actual appearance outside of Skyward Sword. I'll give her credit for that game.
Ocarina of Time is second best; she did hide Young Zelda away and was the one that came up with the Sheik idea. And serves as the Sage of Darkness.
The Oracles? Barely appears in Seasons and holds no major plot importance, and in Ages, there's only a small part where she's possessed by Veran to trick Link into leading her to Naryu.
Link Between Worlds? Just one of the Sages Yuga turns into a painting and nothing more.
You have counted wrong.
Impa:
Ocarina of Time
Oracle of Seasons/Oracle of Ages (Much like the different Pokémon versions, these games are counted together)
Skyward Sword
Link Between Worlds
And a cameo as a glass painting in Wind Waker in the prologue. Again, she doesn't actually appear in the first two Zelda games.
Epona:
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Four Swords Adventures
Minish Cap
Twilight Princess
And like Impa, a cameo in Wind Waker in the prologue. As well as a cameo in the Oracle games' openings.
Literally....irrelevant to the point.
Point being that Dark/Shadow Link is more recurring and more significant to the franchise as a whole than Impa, which cannot be denied.
Being a dark copy of Link does not render this invalid.
Hate to break it to you, but Impa is less important that you attempt to give credit for. The "facts" you say cannot be argued are not factual.
So you're saying that Impa is more important than Zelda, and claiming that anyone who argues otherwise is in denial. Ironic.
You see, this is the problem with the mindset of the "Impa should replace Sheik" crowd; they seem to forget that Sheik doesn't actually exist as an individual character. Sheik is Zelda in the same exact vein as "Zero Suit Samus" is Samus and Ganondorf is Ganon; they are alternate identities for the same individual. Yeah "Sheikah Zelda" was only used once, but it's still Zelda and should be evaluated as such rather than at the individual level.
The opposite is true. It seems that the Impa fans really have to stretch that she's even close to the main 3's level to the point they delude themselves and attempt to justify their delusion.
In prominence, she falls behind Tingle, Epona, and Dark Link. It's debatable whether Vaati is also ahead of her considering she has more appearances yet all of Vaati's have been major in comparison.
We had less semi-clone newcomers in Brawl than clone newcomers in Melee. With only one of them not being meant as "if there's time" filler
As for how "called for" they were, other than the cut Toon Zelda/Sheik (one Toon is enough) I'd say they were all called for.
And no, if Sakurai was capable of replacing Young Link and axing out Pichu entirely with no replacement in line, he was capable of kicking Sheik out. Laziness is a horrible excuse.
Or, and bear with me on this, they work on what makes the Zelda half of the combo bad and not take the Sheik half away. People seem to have trouble grasping that taking Sheik out isn't going to magically make Zelda better.
And while Bamco is here to help with balance, Sakurai does get final say on any changes made. They tell him to toss out the transform gimmick, and "*laugh*".
There are some differences, but all in all, some things are just the same.
One of which being that Sakurai wants to include as much of the old cast as possible and hates having to make cuts. If for some reason, Sakurai has to cut Sheik, it won't be to make room for Impa.
After Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, and Rosalina, I think it would be a good idea to pull back on what exactly is likely. Because it's a pretty subjective thing overall.
Only liked it because of breakfast club.*Check's Inbox*
*Sees "Diddy Kong Quoted your post"*
With that kind of logic we could add whoever we wanted thinking their chances are just as sound as any other character.
Robin is a no-no. Remove her for Roy. Other than that, it's a solid roster, but maybe add a couple of retro characters like...Takamaru and Lips?All this talk of Zelda and Sheik and Phantom and Impa.... good lord. My roster was washed away midst it all. Posting again for more feedback.
Villager, Megaman, WFT, Rosalina
I'd rather see Isaac make the game over Lip, but I'm fine with either
Pretty much due to how you go overboard with ridiculous characters like Nintendogs. Nice to think outside the box, but at least be realistic at the same time.No wonder you don't make rosters.
Roster making is more of a hobby for me, I like making them alot. But I don't really show mines anymore, because they will always receive incredible negative feedback.
I believe you misinterpreted his point entirely. He's saying we don't have as big of an idea of what's likely an unlikely as we thought we did and thus should be cautious, not mindless. Also why exactly is Lip so unlikely despite the item?
I think if Zelda is kept slow but strong, and Sheik fast and weaker than Brawl it could work better. Sheik is good enough to be used on her own, which is why the concept fails. It needs to give the player a reason to switch between them.
That is why you cannot comprehend the perspective. First, you must remove whatever applicable notions that you correlate to Sheik, it is irrelevant that Sheik is objectively Zelda. It isn't about replacing Sheik, it is about making the roster more cohesive and diverse. It is about cleansing the roster with a more ideal choice that actually merits inclusion. Impa is undoubtedly the better choice, this is honestly irrefutable. You can have your opinion on the matter, but she offers much more to the franchise.
Snake is needed. The only reason he would be cut if Sakurai didn't want him, but that's not the case, there is most likely a contract, making Sakurai have to add Snake in the game as he is 3rd party.I might as well go ahead and post a 45 and 50 roster slot for each
Thoughts?
Lol, yeah right! Like Sheik is coming back! Oh, such denial is delicious.
You think Sakurai is going to keep Sheik after he said he hasn't gotten rid of anyone yet? Yeah right! 
I am being realistic, I just like putting risky characters in the roster. But I don't know what the Sakurai's final roster is, but surely it's not going to be the safe rosters people predict here. Although I may have gone overboard in some cases I guess.
I think this is the intended mechanic for Zelda / Sheik. Rack up damage as Sheik, transform, finish it with Zelda. However, Sheik has moves with KO potential on her own, rendering Zelda as useless. I have tried this strategy and it kinda works, but it feels unnecessary when you have KO'ing moves as Sheik. It's a good idea, just poorly executed.
Hey! I was here first!
I dunno spongebob, what's with the advance wars rep? vatti I can kinda understand, but I dunno if sakurai is really gonna throw that series a bone.
Lol
Deja vu.So any thoughts on my /serious roster? Not many people seem to like Saki, so I'm not entirely sure about him. Might just go with my Salesman roster.
The only other characters I'm iffy on are Palutena, Krystal, and Isaac. I mostly went with Saki because of Sakurai being a fan of rail shooters/Saki being the most fleshed out/character-like assist trophy in Brawl.
Iffy on Vaati, but besides that good.
I like Isaac and Krystal, but no Little Mac, as he is really likely with the Boxing Ring stage that is similar to Punch Out's. 9/10So any thoughts on my /serious roster? Not many people seem to like Saki, so I'm not entirely sure about him. Might just go with my Salesman roster.
The only other characters I'm iffy on are Palutena, Krystal, and Isaac. I mostly went with Saki because of Sakurai being a fan of rail shooters/Saki being the most fleshed out/character-like assist trophy in Brawl.
Nintendo Wars is a big franchise with a lot of unique potential and some recognition. I chose Soldier because it's the face of the series. Andy was only in a couple of them.
Well, basically yes.
Rosalina actually strengthened my belief in Krystal somewhat. A less important character to a franchise that can offer completely unique moveset potential, I don't think Sakurai would pass it up. Plus he actually made a comment on the amount of female characters so you never know.
Is this because of Villager? One would assume that Andy is the much more reasonable choice, despite not being the face of a series.
I dunno as much as I'd like to see it happen, I find it unlikely and I feel as if an assist is as far as were gonna get since I feel like its gonna miss the cut just like a sin and punishment character might. I like the bold choice though.
Oh god, no matter how much I hate Krystal, I still kinda see this happening. (Rosalina actually strengthened my belief in Krystal somewhat. A less important character to a franchise that can offer completely unique moveset potential, I don't think Sakurai would pass it up again. Plus he actually made a comment on the amount of female characters so you never know.
I wouldn't know who to replace her with either.
Replacing a ninja-like Sheikah... with a ninja-like Sheikah? How diverse...
The word "better" implies subjectivity and the word "irrefutable" implies objectivity or factuality. Can't you see the blatant contradiction here? I can't take you very seriously if you have contradictions in your argument.
Again, removing Sheik and replacing her by Impa is not going to inherently better Zelda, no matter how deluded people think it may.
Krystal is as likely as K. Rool, it is the truth. Sakurai will measure their worth and decide.Rosalina actually strengthened my belief in Krystal somewhat. A less important character to a franchise that can offer completely unique moveset potential, I don't think Sakurai would pass it up. Plus he actually made a comment on the amount of female characters so you never know.
I wouldn't know who to replace her with either.
Not really.
Around since the original game is a moot point, as Impa never actually appeared in a game until Ocarina of Time. Just in the manuals for Zelda 1 and 2. And even then, she doesn't do anything except tell Link he needs to go save Zelda. I guess that one Toad that told Mario and Luigi Peach was in trouble in Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga impacted that game's story.
Aside from that, she barely influenced the story in the games she makes an actual appearance outside of Skyward Sword. I'll give her credit for that game.
Ocarina of Time is second best; she did hide Young Zelda away and was the one that came up with the Sheik idea. And serves as the Sage of Darkness.
The Oracles? Barely appears in Seasons and holds no major plot importance, and in Ages, there's only a small part where she's possessed by Veran to trick Link into leading her to Naryu.
Link Between Worlds? Just one of the Sages Yuga turns into a painting and nothing more.
You have counted wrong.
Impa:
Ocarina of Time
Oracle of Seasons/Oracle of Ages (Much like the different Pokémon versions, these games are counted together)
Skyward Sword
Link Between Worlds
And a cameo as a glass painting in Wind Waker in the prologue. Again, she doesn't actually appear in the first two Zelda games.
Epona:
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Four Swords Adventures
Minish Cap
Twilight Princess
And like Impa, a cameo in Wind Waker in the prologue. As well as a cameo in the Oracle games' openings.
Literally....irrelevant to the point.
Point being that Dark/Shadow Link is more recurring and more significant to the franchise as a whole than Impa, which cannot be denied.
Being a dark copy of Link does not render this invalid.
Hate to break it to you, but Impa is less important that you attempt to give credit for. The "facts" you say cannot be argued are not factual.
So you're saying that Impa is more important than Zelda, and claiming that anyone who argues otherwise is in denial. Ironic.
You see, this is the problem with the mindset of the "Impa should replace Sheik" crowd; they seem to forget that Sheik doesn't actually exist as an individual character. Sheik is Zelda in the same exact vein as "Zero Suit Samus" is Samus and Ganondorf is Ganon; they are alternate identities for the same individual. Yeah "Sheikah Zelda" was only used once, but it's still Zelda and should be evaluated as such rather than at the individual level.
The opposite is true. It seems that the Impa fans really have to stretch that she's even close to the main 3's level to the point they delude themselves and attempt to justify their delusion.
In prominence, she falls behind Tingle, Epona, and Dark Link. It's debatable whether Vaati is also ahead of her considering she has more appearances yet all of Vaati's have been major in comparison.
We had less semi-clone newcomers in Brawl than clone newcomers in Melee. With only one of them not being meant as "if there's time" filler
As for how "called for" they were, other than the cut Toon Zelda/Sheik (one Toon is enough) I'd say they were all called for.
And no, if Sakurai was capable of replacing Young Link and axing out Pichu entirely with no replacement in line, he was capable of kicking Sheik out. Laziness is a horrible excuse.
Or, and bear with me on this, they work on what makes the Zelda half of the combo bad and not take the Sheik half away. People seem to have trouble grasping that taking Sheik out isn't going to magically make Zelda better.
And while Bamco is here to help with balance, Sakurai does get final say on any changes made. They tell him to toss out the transform gimmick, and "*laugh*".
There are some differences, but all in all, some things are just the same.
One of which being that Sakurai wants to include as much of the old cast as possible and hates having to make cuts. If for some reason, Sakurai has to cut Sheik, it won't be to make room for Impa.
But if he does that this might bode well for your fair anna will it not?
I thought you were drawing things, anyway have fun dude.
Animal Crossing stage in Brawl and we're only just now getting Villager. I just have this feeling that the Mac will still be an assist trophy.
BluePikmin hate a character!? Who are you and what did you do with BluePikmin?
