Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[MasterOfKnees]

Isn't that mostly how it works. Also:

Who you calling kid?


You're going by just because? I'm sure THAT'S how it works.


And you base that claim off of what exactly?


Sakurai isn't doing that anymore. Are you trying to tell me Toon Link, Rosalina, Sonic, and Mega Man are going to be starters!?!?

Sonic and Snake were flat out revealed on the Brawl site, so I'm expecting Sonic and Mega Man to be unlockables too. I really don't see what would make one think that Rosalina is unlockable, she seems like a very starter-type character to me. Toon Link, while odd, yeah, could easily be a starter too, I see no problem with it.

I'm basing my claims on what Sakurai did with the Brawl site and how he has commented on spoilers recently too. At least that's more than what you present with your claims, which simply seems to be gut feelings. There's just no reason to show unlockables before the majority of the starting roster has been shown, and there's certainly no reason to show an unlockable as the first newcomer since the initial reveal. It'd just be very strange to show unlockables this early on, if it was closer to release then I could follow the idea.

Either way, it's just the starting roster anyways, we'll look at it for 10 matches before we unlock Jigglypuff, Ness or Captain Falcon, so it's no big deal regardless.

 

[Gune]

I just don't like rosters that are horizontally oriented. > /grumpy noises

Just noticed something....is that Junko enoshima?

 

[majora_787]

Just noticed something....is that Junko enoshima?

Definitely.

I'd really like to see Radiant Dawn Ike myself. It'd be a cool change.

 

[Louie G.]

You make it sound as if I'm against Palutena's inclusion in any way/shape/form.

I know that you want to include her. But you don't find her likely for some reason. So that's why it would be satisfying: because I'm right.
...
I'm sorry if I sound like a jerk.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Exactly. That was one of the things I strongly disliked about SSE. Many characters were out of place in personality. Mario so quick to bash Yoshi's head in at the sight of trophy-fied Peach was just saddening. Dude... it's freaking YOSHI, your best pal. Not to mention many other characters being particularly hostile for no valid reason.

Honestly the SSE's treatment of Yoshi in general just pissed me off:

Link gets to do a badass pose, Yoshi merely walks on in the last 2 seconds before the character select screen pops up. Literally everyone else in the "Heroes" team got to do something of importance storywise; Link/Pit stopped Wario's claw grabber with an arrow, Mario and Kirby obviously got whole sections, especially Kirby, Sakurai's 'modesty' be damned and Yoshi? Yoshi...woke up on a log.

And then Mario tried to bash his skull in.

Although admittedly the main reason I hate the SSE is that I feel the time could of been better spent finishing off Mewtwo, Roy, Doc and getting those other unfinished characters done instead.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Why would anyone think Rosalina is going to be anything but a starter character?

Also, if Luigi, hypothetically speaking, ended up being a starter character this time, does that mean that Jigglypuff could join him as one of the starting character, so that these two get their chance at being on the starting roster like Ness and Captain Falcon, the other two out of the"Secret 4" out of the Original 12, did in Melee?

 

[Louie G.]

Isn't that how it's always been in Super Smash Bros?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K783SDTBKmg

Why would anyone think Rosalina is going to be anything but a starter character?

What makes you so certain that she is?

 

[Manny Toons]

Isn't that how it's always been in Super Smash Bros?

Yes, but there weren't any cutscenes indicating it. It was simply characters shown fighting each other. With the way they carried themselves throughout SSE, it gave off more of a feeling of hatred towards everyone else until they realized who the true enemy was. It's just weird to me.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I know that you want to include her. But you don't find her likely for some reason. So that's why it would be satisfying: because I'm right.
...
I'm sorry if I sound like a jerk.

It's alright, I feel the same way about Ridley.

 

[majora_787]

Regardless of whether they are or not, people have perfectly good reasons for thinking Luigi and Rosalina would be unlockable characters. I mean Luigi is always unlockable in Smash Bros., and Rosalina is always an unlockable character when playable. It doesn't necessarily indicate a pattern, but it's not like it makes "Absolutely no sense" to think they'd be unlockable.

Also I'm just throwing this out there, I think Medusa has a better shot than Palutena at Smash Bros. But that's probably just me.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K783SDTBKmg

What makes you so certain that she is?

I doubt they would end up spoiling unlockable newcomers at this stage, especially when there isn't a specific date set for this game.

 

[Louie G.]

Also I'm just throwing this out there, I think Medusa has a better shot than Palutena at Smash Bros. But that's probably just me.

It is.
But I mean, have you played Uprising or what? Because it may change your mind.

I doubt they would end up spoiling unlockable newcomers at this stage, especially when there isn't a specific date set for this game.

Edit: You said newcomers?
Never mind...

 

[Starbound]

I still don't think we'll have any unlockable characters.

If Sakurai got so upset about the SSE cutscenes and spoiling people of the experience, I could see it getting extrapolated to include getting upset about spoiling the unlockable characters.

 

[majora_787]

I have played Uprising a number of times. But the way I see it, Pit, Palutena, Medusa, and Hades are comparable to a point to Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, and Demise. Sure, Demise/Hades may be a "bigger villain" and the "reason Ganondorf/Medusa even is around to be the antagonist", but they represent the newest game as opposed to the actual series. Medusa is the main antagonist of the first game as well as the first arc boss of Uprising.

And it's hard to say if Zelda or Ganondorf got more priority in Melee, since they both happened at the same time. As did Peach and Bowser. But I think major series antagonists would be better for what is essentially a fanservice crossover game. I'm sure there are people on this forum who disagree, but I imagine are more excited to play as major villains of classic series and face the protagonists of the same series in epic battles, or even other villains or heroes. Characters like Zelda, Peach, and Palutena don't really fulfill that, even though they are definitely important to their series.

If Kid Icarus was literally ONLY Uprising, I'd agree about Hades being a better call though. And who knows. Maybe somehow Kid Icarus will just have three characters and we'll get Medusa and Palutena again to make it a really uncomfortable situation that resembles a pattern.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I got one question, why do people say Medusa will be a semi-clone of Palutena if she gets in this installment?
I mean, she has the ability to turn people into stone, that's completely different from someone who uses light as their power. o-O

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Maybe if this was the presumption thread instead of the prediction thread.

Believe it or not, sometimes people speculate instead of assume.

It's odd how after Rosalina got confirmed, people just assume that any other potential Mario reps have been deconfirmed. While 6 Mario reps might sound like a stretch, remember that Brawl had 6 playable Pokemon, with three of them belonging to the Pokemon Trainer.

In other words, it's not over until it's over, and the only way that it's over is when we find out what Bowser Jr.'s fate is.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Honestly the SSE's treatment of Yoshi in general just pissed me off:

Link gets to do a badass pose, Yoshi merely walks on in the last 2 seconds before the character select screen pops up. Literally everyone else in the "Heroes" team got to do something of importance storywise; Link/Pit stopped Wario's claw grabber with an arrow, Mario and Kirby obviously got whole sections, especially Kirby, Sakurai's 'modesty' be damned and Yoshi? Yoshi...woke up on a log.

And then Mario tried to bash his skull in.

Although admittedly the main reason I hate the SSE is that I feel the time could of been better spent finishing off Mewtwo, Roy, Doc and getting those other unfinished characters done instead.

Dude yoshi waking up on a log was the most badass thing ever , he just wakes up and is like "oh hey what's this? oh there's subpace invaders?.... pffft no need to get riled up link, let yoshi handle this" plus that face he makes before the selection.... priceless XD

Edit: 5 mario characters + 2 spin off "mario" characters. Bowser jr. was gonna be another transformation thing anyway, I' think rosalina was the last of the mario characters. the only way we get more "mario" characters, is if wario or yoshi gets another character for some reason, so maybe just maybe bowser jr (baby bowser) could be pegged in the yoshi series.

 

[Starbound]

Technically, Zelda had priority over Ganondorf because Ganondof was only added because his body shape was like Falcon's. Meanwhile, Zelda was planned from the beginning.

Edit: triple ninja waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

 

[majora_787]

I got one question, why do people say Medusa will be a semi-clone of Palutena if she gets in this installment?
I mean, she has the ability to turn people into stone, that's completely different from someone who uses light as their power. o-O

I don't know. I think that if either or both of them ended up in the game, they both have plenty of potential to be unique from other characters and each other. I just personally feel that Medusa has more interesting options that set her apart from other characters that we have.

 

[Chandeelure]

I'm really want to know what music we will have in this Smash.

 

[Hippopotasauce]

Here I go again

 

[Starcutter]

I'm really want to know what music we will have in this Smash.

 

[majora_787]

Come on, the wrestler from Rhythm Heaven over Ridley?

 

[XStarWarriorX]

I'm really want to know what music we will have in this Smash.

Whatever it is, it won't disappoint. All smash's had great tracks.

 

[N3ON]

I still don't think we'll have any unlockable characters.

If Sakurai got so upset about the SSE cutscenes and spoiling people of the experience, I could see it getting extrapolated to include getting upset about spoiling the unlockable characters.

If it were any developer other than Sakurai, I'd view it as a realistic possibility, but Sakurai packs his games with unlockable content, just look at all the hidden stuff in Uprising, so I really can't see him not having unlockables. It'd be very very un-Sakurai-like.

Also, the difference between cutscenes and characters is the sole purpose of cutscenes is to be viewed, which can be done completely by just watching them on the internet, and then there's nothing more to them, but even if we learn about hidden characters, we still won't be able to actually experience playing as them without the game, so I think they're a bit of a different situation.

It's odd how after Rosalina got confirmed, people just assume that any other potential Mario reps have been deconfirmed. While 6 Mario reps might sound like a stretch, remember that Brawl had 6 playable Pokemon, with three of them belonging to the Pokemon Trainer.

In other words, it's not over until it's over, and the only way that it's over is when we find out what Bowser Jr.'s fate is.

To be fair, I do think getting six is a bit of a stretch, but I'm definitely against assuming we won't. Sakurai expanded Zelda from one to five before, so adding two to Mario, considering all the decent choices, isn't outside the realm of possibility, even if it's not too likely.

 

[Chandeelure]

Spoiler

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Where's the Anna thread?

 

[Curious Villager]

Where's the Anna thread?

Here. --> http://smashboards.com/threads/fire-emblems-redheaded-travelling-merchant-anna.328670/

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I really don't see what would make one think that Rosalina is unlockable, she seems like a very starter-type character to me

This rarely appearing Mario character who is always unlockable seems like a starter character to you? When we already have another princess and 3 starters from Mario? And then what about Luigi? Are we just not going to have ANY unlockables?

Toon Link, while odd, yeah, could easily be a starter too, I see no problem with it.

Lol, what? A second version of a character with the exact same move set? why?

I'm basing my claims on what Sakurai did with the Brawl site and how he has commented on spoilers recently too.

Instead of what he did with all the games, your basing it off how he revealed things once on a completely different site?

There's just no reason to show unlockables before the majority of the starting roster has been shown

There is no reason NOT to.

and there's certainly no reason to show an unlockable as the first newcomer since the initial reveal

Why not? We already had 2 starters. When, pray, is the right time to show unlockables.

It'd just be very strange to show unlockables this early on

Oh, but it's not strange at all to start out with Luigi, Rosalina, and Toon Link.


You are clearly basing your assumption off who is revealed the earliest and that Sakurai has decided to no longer hide newcomers in order to promote the game to people who like those characters. Rosalina is the first character since Wii Fit Trainer so she can't be unlockable? Well what about the next character? Can't be unlockable if it was right after Rosalina. When does it end?

So why do you base it off of this? This site clearly is not the same as the dojo and this has only happened once. Be logical.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I don't know. I think that if either or both of them ended up in the game, they both have plenty of potential to be unique from other characters and each other. I just personally feel that Medusa has more interesting options that set her apart from other characters that we have.

From turning to stone, that would mean they would have to take half the damage just like in Uprising, unless Medusa has an attack that tortures the opponent with tons of percentage.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ya know...

I'm curious...

How popular was/is Rosalina in Japan?

 

[Starbound]

For a Mario character, she's generally really popular.

But as a contender for Smash, not so much. According to Chrono, the only Mario characters with any decent amounts of requests were Junior and Waluigi.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Rosalina doesn't really seem like she would be a starter to me. It's mostly because of her moveset, with her Luma summon mechanic, her ability to pull in items etc. Her moveset seems more like she would require some effort to unlock, one well worth the effort. Also, to me it seems kind of odd to have 4 (or all 5 for that matter) Mario characters as starters.

 

[majora_787]

From turning to stone, that would mean they would have to take half the damage just like in Uprising, unless Medusa has an attack that tortures the opponent with tons of percentage.

I could see her having a moveset based off forcing the opponent to be where she wants them to be with magic "pushes", tethers, projectiles, and stuns such as turning enemies to stone. She would then be able to rack up damage on hindered characters, who would have to essentially stay way out of her way or get right in her face. And obviously a transformation final smash, since to some extent that's a thing that seems popular with antagonistic characters nowadays. And she would be more of a "dark" caster that Ganondorf entirely fails to be, as opposed to more of a "light" caster like Zelda and Rosalina appear to be generally. That could easily just be petty aesthetics, but any little bit helps.

I really doubt Rosalina is going to be unlockable. She's probably just one of the reveals they felt would build a good amount of hype after going six months from E3 with no new character reveals. But one that would leave a lot untouched.

EDIT: That was a really dumb mistake to make.

 

[Diddy Kong]

If Rosalina isn't unlockable, why not have a 6th Mario character?

 

[Reznor]

If Rosalina isn't unlockable, why not have a 6th Mario character?

why not have a 7th?

 

[Diddy Kong]

why not have a 7th?

Dr.Mario and Dr.Luigi?

 

[Richard 89]

why not have a 7th?

If this was chained, someone would say eighth.

 

[Reznor]

Dr.Mario and Dr.Luigi?

don't forget Dr.Wario

 

[Louie G.]

don't forget Dr.Wario

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Dr. Waluigi confirmed.
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