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Louie G.

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Well let's be honest here...even as a new series in the Smash Bros series, Animal Crossing is more deserving of a second character than Kid Icarus when we compare the long-term success of both franchises. And again, this is my opinion, and I already knew people would be pissed if I added in Isabelle, half the reason I added her in the first place. So yeah, my opinion. :p
But is Isabelle, a brand new character to Animal Crossing, a brand new series to Smash, more deserving than the Zelda of Kid Icarus (a series that was in Brawl)?
There's that word again, deserving.

PS: Hotfeet, you're my friend and all, but rubbing Palutena in your face when she is confirmed will be the most satisfying thing I have ever done.
 

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Nothing suggests either way. Sakurai made a weird comment that seems a bit confusing, but given how careful he was about spoilers on the Brawl Dojo I'm banking on Luigi being a starter this time around. No reason he should be unlockable anyways, he's hardly a surprise at all.
Luigi shares moves with Mario, he's pretty powerful, he's usually unlockable in mainstream Mario games. He's ALWAYS been unlockable in Smash. Why on earth would he NOT be unlockable. Sakurai doesn't limit that to surprising characters.

People seem incapable of not filling in unknown information themselves. We don't know the status of Rosalina. We don't know the status of Luigi. Technically, we don't know the status of any character.

All we can do is wait.
We don't know what other characters are in Smash. Better lock the thread.
 

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Well, it's new roster time and here it is. It's got 48 characters, and the last character was tough...because it was like "Hmmmmm...so many choices, what can I pick?" so I said "Screw it" and chose Isabelle for a second Animal Crossing character? Why? Because Puppies are cute and Isabelle is cute and cute things sell well...yeah, I don't know the reason, but take it for what it is and let me know what you think.
>Isabelle
>4 Third-parties
Lol.
 

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What would make Isabelle different from the rest of the cast, I'm a big AC fan myself, but I never got to buy New Leaf. ;-;
Well first off, Isabelle's occupation is that of secretary, seeing as you're now the mayor of "Name your town here" and you decide what goes on. Isabelle would be a planner and co-ordinator, but not in the sense of a tactician like the Avatar of Fire Emblem Awakening. One of her biggest jobs in New Leaf is helping you set down new Public Works projects, which are new attractions for your town. A standard B move could be setting down foundation for a new works project and by holding B, the bigger and bigger the foundation will be, kind of like Peacock's Look out Below from Skullgirls. The minimum could be that of a Park Bench, while the max could be that of Brewster's cafe.

Using Ordinances, you could change certain things about your time to excell more than others. For example, the Night Owl Ordinance let shops stay open longer and later and your residents went to bed at later times. Ordinance can be a down B counter than can boost Isabelle's stats for a short amount of time. A few other things that could be included are party poppers that are used as celebratory items for your project's completion, singing a Town Tune, and one thing that I think can be really nice but hasn't been used yet, which is sad, which is the assistance of other residents. In New Leaf, it's all about living together as one to help make your town the best it can be, and if you need each other to help with different things, why not show that in a moveset in which some of the residents of Animal Crossing come out to help? As for a Final Smash, the most important thing and first thing you do as Mayor in New Leaf is plant a sapling in the plaza, which symbolizes your growth as Mayor, and Isabelle can plant the sapling which can then grow into a gigantic tree. And of course, that's just one possibility.

There's alot of things I can pull from to design a moveset for Isabelle.
 

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Why should we not? Blazblue has a pretty in-depth story. Why shouldn't we expect FG stories to be on par with stories from other mediums or games?

I don't know what you mean by "poetry", but what I wanted from SSE was to actually explain what the f*** was going on.

So becoming old makes you immune from criticism now?
- There's a rare exception, plus a self contained franchise, plus something I've never played and therefore cannot make intelligent argument for or against.
- No, it wasn't clear as a bell, but if you needed out right explanation, you didn't even try to figure it out for yourself.
- I missed the context of why people were discussing/ criticizing it. My error. And you're exactly right, it's not immune. I just very much enjoyed it myself.

People wasnt complaining about SSE, they are just saying how refreshing and fun was rossy's trailer in comparison...
Her trailer was very fun yes, but like I said before, I enjoyed the nostalgic bits of it from Mario Kart, and Air Ride a little more than I really came out caring about Rosalina herself. That being said, I don't expect a Ridley reveal trailer to take place in Hyrule Castle, so I'll treat this trailer as a one time, fun exception.
 

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But is Isabelle, a brand new character to Animal Crossing, a brand new series to Smash, more deserving than the Zelda of Kid Icarus (a series that was in Brawl)?
There's that word again, deserving.

PS: Hotfeet, you're my friend and all, but rubbing Palutena in your face when she is confirmed will be the most satisfying thing I have ever done.
You make it sound as if I'm against Palutena's inclusion in any way/shape/form.

adding Isabelle to your roaster and not expecting that word to pop up :smirk:
Yes, I expected a more mature response.

>Isabelle
>4 Third-parties
Lol.
Speaking of Mature, this is about as mature as the one person who thumbed it up.
 

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I'll be totally honest, Lyn is a really poor choice of Fire Emblem character for a large number of reasons and is definitely not going to be thrown into Smash Bros. over more important characters in other series OR the representation of newer, better games in the same series. I don't get the whole train for that.

And on the subject of the roster, Animal Crossing doesn't particularly need multiple characters in my opinion. And Smash doesn't need enough 3rd party content to have a four-way free for all with items on that has literally no Nintendo content. It's kind of a nintendo-based game.
 

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You make it sound as if I'm against Palutena's inclusion in any way/shape/form.



Yes, I expected a more mature response.



Speaking of Mature, this is about as mature as the one person who thumbed it up.
having an imaginary wife is not immature :cool:
 

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Luigi shares moves with Mario, he's pretty powerful, he's usually unlockable in mainstream Mario games. He's ALWAYS been unlockable in Smash. Why on earth would he NOT be unlockable. Sakurai doesn't limit that to surprising characters.
You're trying to follow patterns with Sakurai here kid, that's not how it works. Even then I'm not too sure why him being pretty powerful or being unlockable in mainstream Mario games has to do with his Smash role. He has been unlockable in Smash thus far because he's similar to Mario, but Sakurai could very easily break the pattern, just because.

I'm sure that if he was an unlockable, Sakurai would make us 100% certain that he is, just judging from how he hated that people spoiled SSE for themselves online and how all unlockables on the Brawl site gives are hidden behind a question mark icon and pop-ups warn you that you're spoiling yourself.
 

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- No, it wasn't clear as a bell, but if you needed out right explanation, you didn't even try to figure it out for yourself.
I'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean. I really think that if a story requires that you "figure out for your self" something key like character motivations, then the storyteller has failed at his job.

Anyway, on stories in Smash: this is something that's worth doing well, and if given the choice between a story like SSE and no/minimal story, I'll take no/minimal story. Especially since something like SSE is likely to take away from development in other areas of the game, like it did in Brawl.
 

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I must literally say I'm astounded that with a roster having so many characters people want, that if one is far from the norm it's somehow shunned the entire roster. I've heard of selective thinking and selective hearing but GODDAMMIT people.

What's even more sad is the fact that her inclusion wasn't even serious.
 

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I must literally say I'm astounded that with a roster having so many characters people want, that if one is far from the norm it's somehow shunned the entire roster. I've heard of selective thinking and selective hearing but GODDAMMIT people.
Now imagine how Sakurai must feel, with the real roster. :smirk:
 

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Brawl cutscenes were boring because they were trying to be serious.
It works with snake being ridiculously serious with the box though...
Exactly. That was one of the things I strongly disliked about SSE. Many characters were out of place in personality. Mario so quick to bash Yoshi's head in at the sight of trophy-fied Peach was just saddening. Dude... it's freaking YOSHI, your best pal. Not to mention many other characters being particularly hostile for no valid reason.
 

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Anna > Lyn > Everyone else >>>>>>>>>>> Roy
NO! :c

You're trying to follow patterns with Sakurai here kid, that's not how it works
Isn't that mostly how it works. Also:

Who you calling kid?

]but Sakurai could very easily break the pattern, just because.
You're going by just because? I'm sure THAT'S how it works.

I'm sure that if he was an unlockable, Sakurai would make us 100% certain that he is
And you base that claim off of what exactly?

uall unlockables on the Brawl site gives are hidden behind a question mark icon and pop-ups warn you that you're spoiling yourself.
Sakurai isn't doing that anymore. Are you trying to tell me Toon Link, Rosalina, Sonic, and Mega Man are going to be starters!?!?
 

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If Ike is to return (and there is no reason not to), I would be genuinely excited to see Ike display elements of his Radiant Dawn appearance (as Marth did with Shin Monsho no Nazo and Shadow Dragon). In fact, most potential Fire Emblem characters are going to look quite impression in HD glory, and Ike would be no different.



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Exactly. That was one of the things I strongly disliked about SSE. Many characters were out of place in personality. Mario so quick to bash Yoshi's head in at the sight of trophy-fied Peach was just saddening. Dude... it's freaking YOSHI, your best pal. Not to mention many other characters being particularly hostile for no valid reason.
Well, to be fair Mario does usually dump Yoshi into pits, so bashing his head in is nothing :p
 

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If Ike is to return (and there is no reason not to), I would be genuinely excited to see Ike display elements of his Radiant Dawn appearance (as Marth did with Shadow Dragon). In fact, most potential Fire Emblem characters are going to look quite impression in HD glory, and Ike would be no different.



A man's man.
Marth looks more like his FE12 design than Shadow Dragon though.



And yes, am hoping for a FE10 inspired look to for Ike. It'd suit his more heavy style far better, especially if he where to go Vanguard.

Am also hoping for Aether buffs. Give the move a second hit when all the multi-hits connect for massive damage. Quick Draw also should be quicker, and pass through enemies.
 

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I'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean. I really think that if a story requires that you "figure out for your self" something key like character motivations, then the storyteller has failed at his job.

Anyway, on stories in Smash: this is something that's worth doing well, and if given the choice between a story like SSE and no/minimal story, I'll take no/minimal story. Especially since something like SSE is likely to take away from development in other areas of the game, like it did in Brawl.
I just mean that because they didn't speak, because there was no express telling of what was going on, doesn't mean that no story existed. And I think there were plenty of character motivations present, we just didn't get a book on each because they had to cover 32+ characters. I'm not trying to argue with you, just merely stating that it was there for the player to interpret and enjoy however they wanted. Think of it this way:

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Because the story isn't written out underneath it, does that mean there is none? Or that the whole thing is a waste of time? Art is meant to be interpreted by the viewer, and SSE was not the Starry Night, no, but it was Sakurai and the team's latest art. My point is that not everyone understands or enjoys it the same way, I'm not trying to call you stupid.
 
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