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Sobreviviente

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I post this in the starfy thread, seems relevant to the actual conversation.
You people are obsesed with character disconfirmation...

When a newcomer is revelead is actually natural expect another one similar to it, mainly because is easier to implement, or are we forgeting luigi and jiggs in 64 and the 6 melee clones?

Luma is just one of rosys tools which also have different colors.
Starfy will be a character focused on air control with many funny looking moves and that gets tide if spin too much.
Similar moves? probably some, yes, but there is enough difference between them in my eyes.


 

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I wish I could say something considerably clever, but I cannot. I'm simply overwhelmed with excitement.

If anything, Masahiro Sakurai isn't always going to go out of his way to add characters simply because they have higher authoritative star-power within their own respective series (as Rosalina was included rather than so-called imperative choices in Toad or Bowser Jr.). Now, this doesn't exactly mean we're getting Cranky Kong over King K. Rool or Dixie Kong (nor should we), but it does mean if Sakurai finds a character interesting enough to implement (as long as they have substantial importance, so don't expect secondary-tier characters to overtake first-tier), he could, although not necessarily would. This also gives me hope the Avatar would be chosen over Chrom or Lucina (if Sakurai is unwilling to bring back Roy, for whatever reason).

As many others have pointed out, does anybody else find the video indicative of a potential Rainbow Road stage?
I didn't even think about that, I thought it was just for the trailer. Speaking of which, I really enjoyed the production value of the trailer, I didn't expect over a minute of cut-scene before the actual game-play. It make me very curious to see what Ridley's might entail.
 

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Just stop, You actually play as Nana. You don't actually play as Pikmin and Luma, you attack with them. I should have expected less understanding from the guy who thought Yarn Yoshi would replace Yoshi though. :smirk:

Now if you're done with your mart alack insults, I'll kindly back off with the smart alack attitude too. But, understand that's how it works. Jesus, it only takes this long for Smashboards to get out of hand. I was kind of hoping to share my excitement for Rosalina. But, clearly we had something else in mind.
Insults? That was not my intention, it was merely an observation. I apologize if it came across as rude (reading it back, it does sound pretentious). In any event; I see the emote, so I know that you are not entirely serious; however, I didn't insinuate that Yarn Yoshi would replace Yoshi. I simply asserted that I would love to see it happen and that there was a decent chance that it would actualize.

I am surprised you are excited about Rosalina. I actually always knew that you supported her (or realized her chances) to a degree as you never really attempting to correct me when I gave some evidence for her inclusion. You usually jump on anything that you don't agree with, so by not trying to down Rosalina, it became apparent that you thought she had a viable chance.

In any event, I again apologize for the attitude; I just like to believe that the character is Rosalina and Lumos. He is an essential part of her character, I suppose it was extreme to compare Lumos to Zero-Suit though. I am just excited, man.
 

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I don't think Rosalina was picked because she was exciting, in fact her move set seemed rather bland. But, I think any good opportunity to add new Nintendo characters should be taken and I believe the best opportunity to achieve this was a fifth Mario character. Most franchises like Zelda getting characters because they are new would be absurd. IMO, with Mario it almost really doesn't matter which character you pick as long as they are relevant. The remaining cast isn't with characters it'd be absurd to get shoved to the spotlight for someone else. I mean you could argue Rosalina over Toad was an outrage, but that's debatable.

Maybe I didn't word it right, but I think Mario getting a newer character isn't a big issue.
 

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I knew I should have posted to prevent the double post, I'm sorry morbid I have failed you....

why do I hear that Roar song in the background.... i hate that song.
 

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Insults? That was not my intention, it was merely an observation. I apologize if it came across as rude (reading it back, it does sound pretentious). In any event; I see the emote, so I know that you are not entirely serious; however, I didn't insinuate that Yarn Yoshi would replace Yoshi. I simply asserted that I would love to see it happen and that there was a decent chance that it would actualize.

I am surprised you are excited about Rosalina. I actually always knew that you supported her (or realized her chances) to a degree as you never really attempting to correct me when I gave some evidence for her inclusion. You usually jump on anything that you don't agree with, so by not trying to down Rosalina, it became apparent that you thought she had a viable chance.

In any event, I again apologize for the attitude; I just like to believe that the character is Rosalina and Lumos. He is an essential part of her character, I suppose it was extreme to compare Lumos to Zero-Suit though. I am just excited, man.
It's okay. I'm sorry for making fun of you too. Inb4 funny gif is posted about this.

At least YOU don't intend to constantly get on my nerves for fun like other people.
 

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I don't think Rosalina was picked because she was exciting, in fact her move set seemed rather bland. But, I think any good opportunity to add new Nintendo characters should be taken and I believe the best opportunity to achieve this was a fifth Mario character. Most franchises like Zelda getting characters because they are new would be absurd. IMO, with Mario it almost really doesn't matter which character you pick as long as they are relevant. The remaining cast isn't with characters it'd be absurd to get shoved to the spotlight for someone else. I mean you could argue Rosalina over Toad was an outrage, but that's debatable.

Maybe I didn't word it right, but I think Mario getting a newer character isn't a big issue.
Her "zoning" marionette style of play seemed boring to you?! What is exciting to you?

I agree with the rest of the post though. I just thought introducing a new play-style is hype-worthy. I suppose it is fairly similar to Olimar's, but it has some overt differences.
 

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I agree, Prankster Comet is probably Rosie's final smash. IDK why I didn't come up with that.:facepalm: Also, Mic-128, Lucario did in fact replace Mewtwo. There are several examples of incriminating evidence. For example, in the first few frames of Lucario's dash, it appears that he is floating. As well, Aura Sphere is very similar in function. Both their side specials are specialized grabs. Neither of their up specials deal damage. Both their forward smashes involve blasts of their respective elements. Both of their sub-100% ledge attacks involve flipping. There is absolutely no evidence that they were both supposed to be in the game. On the other hand, why would Nintendo copy Mewtwo's dash if they're just going to completely change the animation? Because: Lucario went over Mewtwo. Also, IDK if it's just me, but Lucario's voice bear a passing resemblance to Mewtwo's. Also, Lucario TELEPORTS onto stage. Why would that happen, hmmm. Mewtwo teleports but not Lucario. As well, Lucario slowly floats down onto stage. Wait, WHAT!!? Floats, but Lucario doesn't do that, but who does? MEWTWO. Why in all creation would Nintendo copy so many of Mewtwo's aspects onto Lucario, especially with all the de-cloning stuff going on in Brawl. The only two that are even remotely similar are Link and Toon Link. And, to back that up, they ARE the same person. I can think of a zillion moves to give Lucario instead of Aura Sphere, close combat just to name one. Why so many similarities? Lucario is essentially a re-skinned Mewtwo, done at the last stages of development. There is now proof that they were intended to be together, but there is evidence they weren't. Also, Lucario's forward smash could have been a back hand punch similar to Wolf's. They're up smash animations are similar, too. It also seems likely that Mewtwo was going to be buffed from Melee to Brawl, and Mewtwo's Brawl down smash likely was intended to hit on both sides, acting as a double shadow bomb with less damage and knockback, hence explaining Lucario's down smash facing the screen. The reason Lucario was a last minute re-skin? Mewtwo is a Gen-1 Pokémon, and Nintendo, in act of outrageous stupidity, thought that meant he was irrelevant. Now, this didn't come to light until they realized how popular Lucario was. Seeing an opportunity to advertise Gen-4 and make people happy, they stupidly made a brash decision to replace Mewtwo with Lucario, thinking it would please people. Simply put- it didn't. That explains why Mewtwo was the ONLY non-clone not return from Melee. I mean, if Nintendo was thinking, they should have kept Mewtwo as a Pokémon and gave Pokémon trainer the Gen-4 starters. But Nintendo thought that the Gen-1 starters, of which the only truly iconic one was Charizard, would be a better Gen-1 representative than the ever-popular-more-so-than-Charizard Mewtwo. Why not put in the Gen-4 starters? They sucked, to be honest, and they weren't exactly fighting-material. So, they couldn't put Lucario with Pokémon Trainer, so they made a separate character, thinking they had found the perfect solution. Well, it didn't. One way they could have addressed this problem, put in the Gen-4 starters. They are not exactly fighting material, but with hard work, you can make them one, kind of like Rosalina. That also may have boosted Gen-4's popularity, considering them being fighters and all. Lucario may have been popular, but not even as close as Mewtwo. Besides, another way, PUT THEM BOTH IN!!!!!!! IT'S NOT THAT FREAKIN' HARD!!! But, that didn't happen. They didn't want to over-represent Gen-1, so they removed one of the most iconic Pokémon ever for advertising purposes. Classic real-world. There you have it. As you can see I'm very passionate about this subject. Lucario would be the first person I'd remove from the Smash roster, if necessary. Also, now that Nintendo has seen the backlash and Mewtwo is getting all this attention, what the movie and Megalutions, he has about a 95% chance of making it, hopefully as regular Mewtwo. Though, that may not be likely. I swear I just want regular Mewtwo. They could them in as Final Smashes or whatever, but PLEASE not a Megalution as his basic form. Not even Mega Mewtwo Z, which is bound to happen, could possibly replace Mewtwo, except he could included as MAYBE a Final Smash, though I'd rather have ANY move as his Final Smash than either of those 3, even just splash.

FFS...look I know your mad but calm down and stop with the "Last minute reskin" crap its not true if you actually played the charecter you would see they aren't even similar, I know your butt hurt because your precious mewtwo got cut yeah I get that but actually find out why he was cut instead of attacking a charecter with biased accusations.
 

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Also, to every Rosalina supporter out there, let me just state I am going to eat my words by admitting I was wrong about her non-competitive nature against other Mario contenders.

I made several jokes about it previously (some in good-nature, others in self-righteousness), and although I did like the character, I never expected Sakurai to actually considering implementing her as a playable character. I'm glad I am wrong.
 

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A character controlling gravity physics is not unique enough for you?
It's not THAT impressive. I mean it's about as impressive as Mewtwo's confusion. But, I'm sure she has other space related moves that will blow my socks off. Maybe it's just my imagination because I was expecting cosmic power balls and beams or some magic mewtwo ****.
 

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Whatever Rosalina's final smash is...it's gonna blow my balls off.


YOU'RE a towel!
I hope she creates a supernova that turns into a black-hole... once inside the black-hole the mechanics of the game turn into Street Fighter for 10 seconds while time is slowed for her opponents. It doesn't sound OP at all.
 

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FFS...look I know your mad but calm down and stop with the "Last minute reskin" crap its not true if you actually played the charecter you would see they aren't even similar, I know your butt hurt because your precious mewtwo got cut yeah I get that but actually find out why he was cut instead of attacking a charecter with biased accusations.
Look, I'm not mad, I'm simply very serious when I say Lucario replaced Mewtwo. Also, FYI, Lucario was my main until I realized he replaced Mewtwo. That's why I switched to Fox. good grief, I'm may be 12, but I'm a very mature 12 year old. I've played him, and know how similar he is to Mewtwo, so therefore I am entitled to my opinion.
 

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great now I need to change my roster though, didn't expect that.


also I showed my cousin the trailer and tricked him into thinking it was for mario kart.
 

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Look, I'm not mad, I'm simply very serious when I say Lucario replaced Mewtwo. Also, FYI, Lucario was my main until I realized he replaced Mewtwo. That's why I switched to Fox. good grief, I'm may be 12, but I'm a very mature 12 year old.
If you switch mains based on the notion that the character replaced your other character (assuming that is what happened)... you are not mature.

Based on the trailer, Luma is summoned via a Special and is used as a supplement to Rosalina. It's not an individually playable part of the character, so comparing it to Sheik or Nana is ludicrous.

I also don't know why this is even a topic of discussion.
I am a lunatic. #LumosFan.
 

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Well, I guess I'll just bid farewell to Paper Mario's chances, unless Sakurai becomes a merciful god and makes it possible for us to have 6 Mario characters.
 

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Look, I'm not mad, I'm simply very serious when I say Lucario replaced Mewtwo. Also, FYI, Lucario was my main until I realized he replaced Mewtwo. That's why I switched to Fox. good grief, I'm may be 12, but I'm a very mature 12 year old. I've played him, and know how similar he is to Mewtwo, so therefore I am entitled to my opinion.
Not trying to hate again, but for your own good never say the sentence "I'm a very mature 12 year old" again, it'll only get you into trouble.

Oh, and Lucario and Mewtwo share nothing in common but their standard special. Mewtwo was planned as can be found in the Brawl files, but didn't make it in due to time constraints. If anyone is guilty of having cut Mewtwo, it's Sonic, since he took up so much development time in the middle of it all.
 

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If you switch mains based on the notion that the character replaced your other character (assuming that is what happened)... you are not mature.



I am a lunatic. #LumosFan.
Look, I am mature, I switched because 1. Fox was my secondary main, 2. I was just as good with Fox as I was with Lucario, if not better, and above all 3.Lucario replaced Mewtwo, who is my favorite character in the history of Smash. Gosh, get it through your heads, people: I AM MATURE!!!!
 

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It's just a little nickname i'm giving ya u-tilt, hope you like it :troll: you are not u-throw until you because a man. (beat adventure mode with pichu, using only nair :awesome:)

Are we seriously gonna talk the about clone thing again?
 

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Not trying to hate again, but for your own good never say the sentence "I'm a very mature 12 year old" again, it'll only get you into trouble.

Oh, and Lucario and Mewtwo share nothing in common but their standard special. Mewtwo was planned as can be found in the Brawl files, but didn't make it in due to time constraints. If anyone is guilty of having cut Mewtwo, it's Sonic, since he took up so much development time in the middle of it all.
Mewtwo was cut is Smash64 due to time constraints, not Brawl. Besides, I'd rather have them delay the game AGAIN just to put Mewtwo in.
 

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Look, I am mature, I switched because 1. Fox was my secondary main, 2. I was just as good with Fox as I was with Lucario, if not better, and above all 3.Lucario replaced Mewtwo, who is my favorite character in the history of Smash. Gosh, get it through your heads, people: I AM MATURE!!!!
We believe you. :urg:
 

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The madness never ends.......(>_<)

And proclaiming yourself to be mature will have the opposite effect, so keep that in mind.
 

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Is anybody else anxiously worried others will infer Rosalina's playable inclusion as an indicator of that, always and automatically, "Stage reveals = Character reveals"?
 

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Mewtwo was cut is Smash64 due to time constraints, not Brawl. Besides, I'd rather have them delay the game AGAIN just to put Mewtwo in.
No dude. There's undeniable proof in the files that he was planned for Brawl, but was never finished. You simply can't deny that.
 
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