Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Morbi]

Really? Because other m came out in 2010, and while it isnt getting as much attention as before, I wouldnt consider it dead. Far from it actually. Its not like Mario where they have a new game 3 times a year, the games are alot more niche so they really only need one per console...

Deja vu.

In all seriousness, Metroid isn't dead. Not in the same way F-Zero or Mother are. Lucas made it into Smash, I hardly think Ridley couldn't do the same thing.

 

[Louie G.]

Yeah, seriously, K. Rool for me.
He's a bit more important if you ask me.
He has worldwide popularity, unlike Ridley.
He is necessary to completely represent his series. Ridley would be very nice, but Samus is all that's really necessary for a series that is all about isolation and such.

 

[SuperBrawler]

!Off-topic, but my NSMB Wii got screwed up somehow, so whenever I go through a pipe the game crashes.

Or maybe it's just when I go underground, I dunno.

 

[Morbi]

Yeah, seriously, K. Rool for me.
He's a bit more important if you ask me.
He has worldwide popularity, unlike Ridley.
He is necessary to completely represent his series. Ridley would be very nice, but Samus is all that's really necessary for a series that is all about isolation and such.

I remember that when I joined, it was almost indisputable that Ridley was going to be in the game. It looks like the morale has really attenuated every since Toad's demise. I am actually inclined to agree; however, one could argue that Sakurai is much more aware of Ridley's demand and necessity (as he is the only other relevant/important Metroid character). Donkey Kong has Dixie and such, obviously I think they will slap a wig on Diddy and call it a costume, but K. Rool isn't as important to DK as Ridley is to Metroid. Not to mention Ridley's STAGGERING Smash relevance.

 

[Seraphim.]

Me personally I would want them to focus on bringing all the veterans back and maybe changing them up like Pit and Bowser were changed and balance between the characters THEN focus on newcomers, if you look at Brawl it has lots of add ons but the gameplay and balance was lacking and that really ruined Brawl for most people.

 

[NickerBocker]

Again, 2 on GameCube and 3 on Wii is far from niche.

And you posted this before man.

Ya the posting is messed up. The first post didn't show up until after the second one(?) my apologies

 

[Louie G.]

I remember that when I joined, it was almost indisputable that Ridley was going to be in the game. It looks like the morale has really attenuated every since Toad's demise. I am actually inclined to agree; however, one could argue that Sakurai is much more aware of Ridley's demand and necessity (as he is the only other relevant/important Metroid character). Donkey Kong has Dixie and such, obviously I think they will slap a wig on Diddy and call it a costume, but K. Rool isn't as important to DK as Ridley is to Metroid. Not to mention Ridley's STAGGERING Smash relevance.

Well for the record, K. Rool is like the 3rd most requested character in THE WORLD.
Ridley is like one of the most requested characters in the WEST.
There's a big difference you know.

 

[Morbi]

Me personally I would want them to focus on bringing all the veterans back and maybe changing them up like Pit and Bowser were changed and balance between the characters THEN focus on newcomers, if you look at Brawl it has lots of add ons but the gameplay and balance was lacking and that really ruined Brawl for most people.

That is true enough; however, more of the same, the same that we have experienceD for a decade... it isn't going to cut it. The game is on a dying console and they need to sell that brick, so Brawl 2.0/Call of Duty that takes half a decade to develop with more of the same isn't going to be recieved well. If I want to play as Melee veterans, I will pop in Melee. If I want to play with Brawl veterans, I will pop in Brawl. This game desperately NEEDS something new and inciting. Needless to say, newcomers are the easiest way to create demand.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yeah, seriously, K. Rool for me.
He's a bit more important if you ask me.
He has worldwide popularity, unlike Ridley.
He is necessary to completely represent his series. Ridley would be very nice, but Samus is all that's really necessary for a series that is all about isolation and such.

King K.Rool would most likely be chosen due to what he can actually add, without being an obstacle due to limitations (Ridley). And because Donkey Kong Country is actually rightfully one of Nintendo's top franchises again. Besides, K.Rool needs the spotlight a lot. Like how Diddy needed it around Brawl's time (not as much as K.Rool needs it now though).

 

[Louie G.]

King K.Rool would most likely be chosen due to what he can actually add, without being an obstacle due to limitations (Ridley). And because Donkey Kong Country is actually rightfully one of Nintendo's top franchises again. Besides, K.Rool needs the spotlight a lot. Like how Diddy needed it around Brawl's time (not as much as K.Rool needs it now though).

Still krossing my fingers for ViKing K. Rool.
PS: I am totally saying all my c's as k's today.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Ridley is probably more deserving.

But K. Rools kool too.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Why is Ridley more deserving?

 

[Morbi]

Why is Ridley more deserving?

Smash relevance is the most overt notion. Another might be that Metroid has no other contending possibilities. Fan demand might be another reason he is more deserving. The three big ones.

 

[Knight Dude]

If Ganondorf changes the Warlock Punch for a energy ball...THAT WOULD BE PERFECT!

Dude, call it by the correct name. The Tennis Ball of Doom.

So, is Ridley still considered likely around here?

We don't have anything to make us think he won't playable yet. So yes, he seems to still be a likely new character. I don't think the stage hazard thing has any "sinister" meaning to it since he probably would've been seen at some point soon after the stage was shown off.

I think Ridley has a decent shot of being playable myself, he seems popular enough. And the only thing I can see against him is his body shape potentially being hard to deal with, but they did make Charizard work.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Why is Ridley more deserving?

Because he's freakin' Ridley.

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[SuperBrawler]

Smash relevance is the most overt notion. Another might be that Metroid has no other contending possibilities. Fan demand might be another reason he is more deserving. The three big ones.

Yeah, basikally why.

It's so hard to type in k's with auto-korrect.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Fan demand? K.Rool has it worldwide easily.

Metroid not having any contending possibilities works against all Metroid characters in general. And there's always Anthony Higgs. Remember him?

Because he's freakin' Ridley.


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Ridley fans superiority complex speaking again.

 

[Morbi]

Yeah, basikally why.

It's so hard to type in k's with auto-korrect.

How do you think Ed Boon felt?

Let us not even pretend that Anthony Higgs compares to Ridley. He is just the next best thing, irrelevant. He is assist trophy worthy.

 

[RoysOurBoy]

Am I the only person who doesn't see either King K. Rool or Ridley being in? I would love to play as both of them but I just can't bring myself to see it likely. Ridley just seems like the perfect boss/stage hazard to me, because that is the role he plays in Metroid games. I just don't think he would work as a playable character. K Rool on the other hand would work, but I see Dixie Kong being more likely and they are not going to add both. I know I'm going to get a lot of heat for saying Dixie is more likely than K Rool, but that is just the way I see it.

 

[Arcanir]

Again, 2 on GameCube and 3 on Wii is far from niche.

And you posted this before man.

Considering that Nintendo still has shown interest in the franchise to the point of even talking about another new game in the near future, it's not dead, especially when compared to other struggling franchises in Nintendo.

Ridley fans superiority complex speaking again.

Ironic coming from a guy who constantly berates said fans and the character they support even when the situation doesn't call for it.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Am I the only person who doesn't see either King K. Rool or Ridley being in? I would love to play as both of them but I just can't bring myself to see it likely. Ridley just seems like the perfect boss/stage hazard to me, because that is the role he plays in Metroid games. I just don't think he would work as a playable character. K Rool on the other hand would work, but I see Dixie Kong being more likely and they are not going to add both. I know I'm going to get a lot of heat for saying Dixie is more likely than K Rool, but that is just the way I see it.

I kompletely disagree.

 

[Bowserlick]

I think both K. Rool and Dixie can get in. Dixie basically can borrow Diddy's model and have similar animations, making her a quicker character to design. And developing a moveset for King K. Rool just seems like it would be fun. Not to mention, he is highly requested.

 

[Morbi]

Am I the only person who doesn't see either King K. Rool or Ridley being in? I would love to play as both of them but I just can't bring myself to see it likely. Ridley just seems like the perfect boss/stage hazard to me, because that is the role he plays in Metroid games. I just don't think he would work as a playable character. K Rool on the other hand would work, but I see Dixie Kong being more likely and they are not going to add both. I know I'm going to get a lot of heat for saying Dixie is more likely than K Rool, but that is just the way I see it.

I actually would have agreed with you when I first joined. However, at this point, Sakurai would be incompetent to not include Ridley. It wouldn't necessarily surprise me, but I refuse to delude myself into thinking that Sakurai is that unintelligent/negligent.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I think both K. Rool and Dixie can get in. Dixie basically can borrow Diddy's model and have similar animations, making her a quicker character to design. And developing a moveset for King K. Rool just seems like it would be fun. Not to mention, he is highly requested.

Also, Bowser looks revamped and who is gonna be the 'ultra heavy weight' now after him? King K.Rool fits the bill easily.

Ironic coming from a guy who constantly berates said fans and the character they support even when the situation doesn't call for it.

You are claiming the Ridley fans aren't overly the most loud and arrogant all around? Sure, there are good people amongst them but they are sprouting around how much better their character is compared to the rest more than any other fanbase. And how much he NEEDS to be in. Not ot mention the amount that won't even buy the game if Ridley isn't in.

 

[NickerBocker]

K Rool would generate a lot of hype and nostalgia. I have alot of friends who loved the original DKC series, and seeing K Rool might induce enough nostalgia for them to buy the game. However, his competition is Dixie Kong, who is more relevant, which despite what people say, holds some weight.

Ridley has no other strong competitors that are as iconic as him, and considering how Metroid doesnt have alot of recurring characters, Ridley is the only logical choice.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Dixie could be made as an easy clone. And Tropical Freeze's rather late reveal compared to the time that Smash began development makes K.Rool a little more likely to be chosen first.

 

[Morbi]

Also, Bowser looks revamped and who is gonna be the 'ultra heavy weight' now after him? King K.Rool fits the bill easily.



You are claiming the Ridley fans aren't overly the most loud and arrogant all around? Sure, there are good people amongst them but they are sprouting around how much better their character is compared to the rest more than any other fanbase. And how much he NEEDS to be in. Not ot mention the amount that won't even buy the game if Ridley isn't in.

Associating a character based on the majority of its fan-bases interactions that you have personally experienced is fallacious. Let us use a common example, I am black, a few white guys are racist and berating me with common derogatory expressions, that must mean that all white people except the few exceptions are arrogant all around. Hasty generalization fallacy based on empirical data.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I hope you're not calling Bowser fat.

No...he's just too big.

Precisely, cutting Pokemon Trainer is logical and valid in my opinion because Charizard represents almost everything that Pokemon Trainer represents.

Charizard represents the main character as well as all 3 starters?

He is the star of Pokemon Origins.

THE star? I though the star was Red and his Pokemon.

He represents the fan base purely based on his staggering popularity.

Doesn't every popular Pokemon represent the fanabase?

I agree with your sentiment Saturn. Ridley will most likely take 2 characters of development time

When did I say that? And why does Ridley take 2 characters time and not any other character?

However, he has no reasonable alternative. Pokemon Trainer does.

I disagree. Charizard alone is not a reasonable alternative to the Pokemon Trainer with all 3 gen 1 starters.

 

[Louie G.]

Are you kidding me? A Ridley vs K. Rool argument? Well, like I always say...

 

[Bowserlick]

K. Rool is racist. Didn't he try his hand at Kong genocide a time or two?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

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What you responded to was actually a very reasonable statement/opinion. Certainly not what face palms are for.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Why is Ridley more deserving?

Because people want big monsters to crush opponents with. I'm not too fond of Ridley though.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Associating a character based on the majority of its fan-bases interactions that you have personally experienced is fallacious. Let us use a common example, I am black, a few white guys are racist and berating me with common derogatory expressions, that must mean that all white people except the few exceptions are arrogant all around. Hasty generalization fallacy based on empirical data.

No you are right. But to a degree, most white people ARE ********, and that's coming from a white guy himself. Literally, white people have polluted the whole world under a tyrannic system that leaches off the third world on a base of money that doesn't even physically excist. Sure, this is only a corrup elite force, but it works favors for the many rich people in the world: who are mostly all white.

BUT STILL... I guess you are right. But the common mindset amongst most Ridley fans I've encountered is mostly 'Ridley is the most deserving character to be added in Smash' and personally, that just irks me. Not to the degree of racist people though, but still. Can't compare the internet to real life I feel.

 

[Arcanir]

I'm personally hoping for King K. Rool and Ridley both in Smash, both are good characters with good reasons to be playable and I'd like to make a team of them together with Bowser.

Edit: Moved response to second post, system glitched

 

[Knight Dude]

I personally wouldn't put Ridley or K.Rool above the other. Both deserve to be added as playable character. Both are the most prominent villains in their respective series. Both come from series that, to me are under-represented(for lack of a better term). And each of them have something cool to offer. And while both Donkey Kong and Metroid have other good options they wouldn't have the impact as either K.Rool or Ridley, who to me, are great ones.

Also, Anthony? Really? I have nothing against the guy. He's likable and all, but he's only been in one game, hardly a "Nintendo All-Star". That's a hard sell for me personally when you have like two other options for Metroid. It's like requesting Sylux or Spire, sure they are badasses, but they don't have any "iconic" status to warrant their inclusion, not even a semi-recurring status either.

If he shows up in more Metroid games I'll definitely change my mind.

 

[Arcanir]

You are claiming the Ridley fans aren't overly the most loud and arrogant all around? Sure, there are good people amongst them but they are sprouting around how much better their character is compared to the rest more than any other fanbase. And how much he NEEDS to be in. Not ot mention the amount that won't even buy the game if Ridley isn't in.

Morbid said it best, you have no proof that the majority of Ridley fans act the way you're saying nor can you generalize based on the few you've talked to. Even considering those bad examples, you can't negatively treat the many for the flaws of the few, that's not fair to the fanbase itself nor to the nice fans you do know.

 

[SuperBrawler]

What you responded to was actually a very reasonable statement/opinion. Certainly not what face palms are for.

I apologize.

I was just trying to say that I disagreed.

 

[Morbi]

No...he's just too big.

Charizard represents the main character as well as all 3 starters?



THE star? I though the star was Red and his Pokemon.



Doesn't every popular Pokemon represent the fanabase?


When did I say that? And why does Ridley take 2 characters time and not any other character?

I disagree. Charizard alone is not a reasonable alternative to the Pokemon Trainer with all 3 gen 1 starters.

It is funny, it is saying that Bowserlick stated those points (on my screen).

Anyways, Charizard does represent all 3 starters in my opinion. He is regarded as the most popular choice. He doesn't do it nearly as effectively, but he can superficially represent them.

He isn't the star; however, he is the co-star. Pokemon is about... well the Pokemon. The trainer is usually fairly irrelevant under MOST circumstances. I am inclined to agree that this is not one of the them. He adequately represents Pokemon Origins. That is indisputable.

Yes.

That was MY example, not yours. It is based on the reasonable suspicion that he is difficult to develop and incorporate. Not to mention balance. Sakurai instantly stated that Ridley would be slow which alludes to how difficult he will be to implement. He isn't sure of the implications based on that answer. Ridley doesn't need to be inherently slow; however, Sakurai stated that he does. This illustrates that Sakurai is not entirely sure how to handle him. I guarantee you he contemplated the notion prior.

He is a REASONABLE alternative. I didn't say that he was perfect.

 

[Diddy Kong]

K. Rool is racist. Didn't he try his hand at Kong genocide a time or two?

ACTUALLY...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Wars

 

[Arcanir]

Edit: Damnit Smashboards, accidentally posted three times.