Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[FinalStarmen]

Metroid not having any contending possibilities works against all Metroid characters in general. And there's always Anthony Higgs. Remember him?

Do you actually consider Anthony Higgs as a possible candidate for playable inclusion (because I may be interpreting this statement in an incorrect manner)? If not Ridley, more-than-likely we would either get Dark Samus or nothing at all.

Am I the only person who doesn't see either King K. Rool or Ridley being in? I would love to play as both of them but I just can't bring myself to see it likely. Ridley just seems like the perfect boss/stage hazard to me, because that is the role he plays in Metroid games. I just don't think he would work as a playable character. K Rool on the other hand would work, but I see Dixie Kong being more likely and they are not going to add both. I know I'm going to get a lot of heat for saying Dixie is more likely than K Rool, but that is just the way I see it.

Why would Dixie Kong be more likely than King K. Rool? An explanation would be helpful.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Anyways, Charizard does represent all 3 starters in my opinion.

Please explain that because I have no idea what you're talking about. He only represents one starter.

The trainer is usually fairly irrelevant under MOST circumstances.

Again, I have no idea what you're talking about. He's in almost everything Pokemon related. How is he irrelevant, let alone a majority of the time?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Do you actually consider Anthony Higgs as a possible candidate for playable inclusion (because I may be interpreting this statement in an incorrect manner)? If not Ridley, more-than-likely we would either get Dark Samus or nothing at all.

Well, for once, Anthony Higgs wouldn't be a Metroid character with the name Samus in it. So that's a big plus. And Dark Samus... Best chance was in Brawl. Didn't happen then, won't happen now. Compare to the likes of Midna, Skull Kid, Micaiah and Krystal.

Also, note the heavy Other M inspiration for Metroid in Smash? Yes, Anthony has a shot actually. And more likely than people give him credit for.

Why would Dixie Kong be more likely than King K. Rool? An explanation would be helpful.

Please explain that because I have no idea what you're talking about. He only represents one starter.

He's the most popular. Been featured in the Origin movie, and he is regarded as the starter with the most difficulties early on. Evolving into Charizard is literally a struggle for Charmander, so he represents the Pokémon series best.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Invalid reason. Recency is not a reason to add Dixie and this came out AFTER the reveal of Smash 4 which is after the roster has already been decided.

Why would Dixie Kong be more likely than King K. Rool? An explanation would be helpful.

Working with in time constraints while having a reasonable alternative and the plans for Brawl as well as requests of people who wanted to see Diddy & Dixie in Brawl. Although the request part probably isn't as big as King K. Rool

 

[SmasherMaster]

Why does Ridley deserve to be a character.

• Metroid is too big of a series for a single character.
• Ridley is the biggest character in the series after Samus.
• Ridley has a large lead in fan request than any other Metroid character.

 

[Morbi]

Please explain that because I have no idea what you're talking about. He only represents one starter.




Again, I have no idea what you're talking about. He's in almost everything Pokemon related. How is he irrelevant, let alone a majority of the time?

He represents the 3 starters in the same way that Mario represents the Mario brothers. He is the most important, therefore, he is the most recognized. This concieves the correlation that Charizard represents the starters based on the notion that he IS a starter. However, I am only referring to him representing the starters superficially (not literally). This was in the portion of the post you omitted. The starter that everyone chose? Charmander. His role as a starter is enough to allow him to represent starters in my opinion.


The trainer (as in any given Trainer), not Red, I specifically alluded to Red being an exception in the portion that you removed.

Read my post before asking the exact same question please. The answer is in the source material.

Edit- As Diddy stated, he is essentially the mascot of the 3. The only one to receive 2 mega-evolutions. Popularity is not the only reason he is the most important any more.

 

[SchAlternate]

Muh recency?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Why does Ridley deserve to be a character.

• Metroid is too big of a series for a single character.
• Ridley is the biggest character in the series after Samus.
• Ridley has a large lead in fan request than any other Metroid character.

Ganondorf was the most requested Zelda character in Melee. Yet, Sakurai chose for Zelda / Sheik before adding him. And when Ganondorf eventually got in, he as a last minute clone addition. Some claim he was even the LAST character to be added.

Muh recency?

Oh Lord how this site gone to ****...

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Last time Marth just got done getting laid by the Wii Fit Trainer. Now it turns out he might be a little more bisexual than we thought. (yeah, I know it's not the thread for it, but I had to point it out )

 

[NickerBocker]

You dont play pokemon for the trainer. You play AS the trainer, but you play pokemon for the pokemon.

 

[SuperBrawler]

If Dixie gets in over K. Rool then

 

[Deleted member]

Pretty much it's Ridley or bust for a Metroid newcomer.

Sure as Hell ain't gonna be Anthony, and Dark Samus is iffy at best.

Conversely, it could easily be either K. Rool or Dixie as a DK newcomer. Or both if we're lucky.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Why is everybody cheating on everyone in Smash Bros? First Peach with Link, now Marth has cheated on Shiida with both Miss Fit and Luigi?

Damn, is THIS how the Bros. Smash?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

He is the most important, therefore, he is the most recognized.

Other way around.

The starter that everyone chose? Charmander. His role as a starter is enough to allow him to represent starters in my opinion.

No evidence that everyone chose Charmander, just that everyone ended up liking Charizard, maybe for reasons unrelated to Red/Blue.

The trainer (as in any given Trainer), not Red, I specifically alluded to Red being an exception in the portion that you removed.

But, doesn't Red represent all the trainers since Charizard represents all the starters?

Read my post before asking the exact same question please. The answer is in the source material.

I'm asking the exact same questions because you either answered them insufficiently or not at all.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Why is everybody cheating on everyone in Smash Bros? First Peach with Link, now Marth has cheated on Shiida with both Miss Fit and Luigi?

Damn, is THIS how the Bros. Smash?

Peach is male?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Marth x Ridley, it's going to happen eventually. ​

 

[TheLastJinjo]

If Dixie gets in over K. Rool then
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"The end..."

 

[SchAlternate]

Oh Lord how this site gone to ****...

Well, you did imply that Tropical Freeze is the sole (or at least the main) reason Dixie has a higher chance of getting in before K. Rool. And I simply responded with a snarky comment.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Peach is male?

No, but she's a Smash Bro yo.

Well, you did imply that Tropical Freeze is the sole (or at least the main) reason Dixie has a higher chance of getting in before K. Rool. And I simply responded with a snarky comment.

She hasn't had a playable role in a main DK game since 1996. I think this exceeds the 'MUH RECENCY' thing, and if anything, she's the perfect excuse to add BECAUSE of recency.

 

[Knight Dude]

Pretty much it's Ridley or bust for a Metroid newcomer.

Sure as Hell ain't gonna be Anthony, and Dark Samus is iffy at best.

Conversely, it could easily be either K. Rool or Dixie as a DK newcomer. Or both if we're lucky.

But Muh Phazon.(She'd be the Wolf of the Metroid characters, which wouldn't be too bad.)

Seriously though, Ridley and K. Rool might bring the most hype since Megaman. Maybe not quite as much as the Blue Bomber, but enough to be noticeable.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I simply responded with a snarky comment.

Which wasn't necessary to be blatantly honest. Just tell at it is and if he gets snarky then you have every right to respond accordingly.

 

[Morbi]

Other way around.


No evidence that everyone chose Charmander, just that everyone ended up liking Charizard, maybe for reasons unrelated to Red/Blue.


But, doesn't Red represent all the trainers since Charizard represents all the starters?


I'm asking the exact same questions because you either answered them insufficiently or not at all.

They both draw correlations from each other. The order is irrelevant.

I don't need evidence for an opinion statement, especially one that uses hyperbole.

Arbitrarily.

You asked the questions because you seem to deny that Charizard is the most important, you dismiss the notion that him being the only starter to recieve 2 Mega-Evolutions whilst retaining that Red chose Charizard... not Squirtle, not Ivysaur; means that he can SUPERFICIALLY represent Pokemon Trainer. Disregarding that Charizard is the co-star of Pokemon Origins in favor of a nameless Trainer in Smash to support said Trainer is fallacious.

You cannot have both. Pokemon Trainer is either Red and important to Pokemon. Or he is a generic nameless Trainer based on Red (in which case, Charizard is a reasonable replacement). I would assert that latter as it is most logical to assume that the nameless Trainer... is indeed nameless.

I elaborated on my points adequately. You seem to be the only one that doesn't comprehend my statements.

 

[SchAlternate]

Which wasn't necessary to be blatantly honest. Just tell at it is and if he gets snarky then you have every right to respond accordingly.

THEY FORCED ME TO DO IT I WAS CORNERED THEY HAD GUNS!!


Well, I just figured that we've already set in stone the fact that recency does not count as the sole reason of a character's inclusion. So I thought I could poke fun at it. My bad~

 

[FinalStarmen]

Well, for once, Anthony Higgs wouldn't be a Metroid character with the name Samus in it. So that's a big plus. And Dark Samus... Best chance was in Brawl. Didn't happen then, won't happen now. Compare to the likes of Midna, Skull Kid, Micaiah and Krystal.

I used Dark Samus as an example because it is clone-material that would be easier to implement. Perhaps not the most useful example I could have used.

I also wouldn't really compare Krystal to Midna, Skull Kid, and Micaiah, seeing as Krystal is a reoccurring character who appeared in multiple Star Fox titles whereas the other characters are one-offs (well, Skull Kid did technically appear in Ocarina of Time before Majora's Mask).

While I actually do like Anthony Higgs, his chances for inclusion are astronomically low; in fact, so low enough percentage-wise he would almost be considered impossible. It's not so-much he has no move-pool to stylize his offensive capabilities (because he has plenty of options to choose from), but rather because he is not all-that-much a significant character within his own respective series. There has yet to be precedence to allow such a character. Besides, the uproar over Ridley getting shafted for Anthony Higgs would ruin the reputation of Higgs himself (think of the unfair R.O.B. level type of hatred).

Dixie Kong has several factors within her favor towards inclusion, yet recency shouldn't be one of them. Others have already addressed this issue.

 

[Diddy Kong]

But Muh Phazon.(She'd be the Wolf of the Metroid characters, which wouldn't be too bad.)

Seriously though, Ridley and K. Rool might bring the most hype since Megaman. Maybe not quite as much as the Blue Bomber, but enough to be noticeable.

Also:

 

[SchAlternate]

She hasn't had a playable role in a main DK game since 1996. I think this exceeds the 'MUH RECENCY' thing, and if anything, she's the perfect excuse to add BECAUSE of recency.

Well, while it is a factor that she has over K. Rool (curse you DKC:R), not only does K. Rool has a larger amount of cons than her, but Dixie herself has other points that could outclass the "recency" factor (it may, however, have gave her a little boost in likelihood)

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

No you are right. But to a degree, most white people ARE *******s, and that's coming from a white guy himself. Literally, white people have polluted the whole world under a tyrannic system that leaches off the third world on a base of money that doesn't even physically excist. Sure, this is only a corrup elite force, but it works favors for the many rich people in the world: who are mostly all white.

So you're anti-White? Fair enough.

I thought you were Black/African, though, not a European/White man.

I assume you understand that all peoples and groups are not equal in behavior and ability, right? (going off the bolded part)

Some groups have more bad apples than others, and vice-versa. People are just so stubborn about accepting these facts, though.

They get all defensive and go "but we're not all like that!" "other people do them too!" (when the person wasn't saying that every single member of a group acted that way) and use some anecdote to "prove them wrong".
They treat the exception as the rule.

Obviously, not every single person in a group acts a certain way, but you can't deny that some behaviors can be shared by a large percentage of a group.

Sorry to go off topic; just thinking out loud about things I see from people.

Also:

What are Mewtwo's chances of getting in?
I'd assume it's at least 50-60% seeing how popular and requested he/it is.

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[MasterOfKnees]

Ganondorf was the most requested Zelda character in Melee. Yet, Sakurai chose for Zelda / Sheik before adding him. And when Ganondorf eventually got in, he as a last minute clone addition. Some claim he was even the LAST character to be added.

Difference is that Ganondorf did still get in the one game he was highly requested for, and even if he didn't he'd have been the ultimate shoe-in for Brawl next to Wario, Dedede and Diddy Kong, which might have been for the best for his moveset. This is the 3rd time Ridley is highly requested, and he has already been pushed aside by ZSS once.

Also, note the heavy Other M inspiration for Metroid in Smash? Yes, Anthony has a shot actually. And more likely than people give him credit for.

If any Other M rep, it's Adam. Adam is much more important to the story of not only Other M, but of Metroid, and can do everything that Anthony does and more. Even then, Adam doesn't have a chance. Anthony is the perfect Assist Trophy for sure, and I'm not saying that to take a stab at you or anything, but that's really just his role, he's assisting Samus here and there, but isn't of major importance until the end, and even then it's just for the sake of sparing Madeline some emotions. Now don't get me wrong, I don't like Adam one bit, at least Anthony is an enjoyable character, but I don't see why he'd make it in over Adam other than for personal preference.

As for the Pokémon discussion going on. If you take the whole Pokémon fan community and pack it into a tiny little box, then "Charizard > Everyone" is a nice little summary. He got two Mega Evolutions because his popularity has also boosted his importance. He is also not only important to Red anymore, but currently to everyone because of X & Y. Same can be said for Mewtwo, just that he's a notch behind Charizard.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Well, while it is a factor that she has over K. Rool (curse you DKC:R), not only does K. Rool has a larger amount of cons than her, but Dixie herself has other points that could outclass the "recency" factor (it may, however, have gave her a little boost in likelihood)

I wasn't arguing for her. In fact, I made this same arguement a lot of times. Sure, K.Rool would be picked first. But Dixie could easily be a late clone addition is all I'm saying.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

There's always Christmas where everyone is most likely gonna get a gift from Sakurai.

I hope we get a newcomer and a veteran. But, knowing my luck, we'll probably get nothing.
BTW, what happened to taking over my Olivia thread?

 

[Morbi]

I wasn't arguing for her. In fact, I made this same arguement a lot of times. Sure, K.Rool would be picked first. But Dixie could easily be a late clone addition is all I'm saying.

I am honestly leaning towards Diddy getting a wig. It would be such an easy costume.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I wasn't arguing for her. In fact, I made this same arguement a lot of times. Sure, K.Rool would be picked first. But Dixie could easily be a late clone addition is all I'm saying.

I'm really hoping we're getting both. I don't see why we wouldn't really, Dixie should be the first pick for a late clone addition, and K. Rool really should be one of the first choices for a newcomer. DKC deserves it.

What are Mewtwo's chances of getting in?
I'd assume it's at least 50-60% seeing how popular and requested he/it is.

Considering how important Mewtwo currently is (and we know for a fact that recency does matter for Pokémon characters) and how much he is requested, plus he technically does have veteran status so he's not too hard to make again, I'd rather say 80-90%.

PS: God dammit Smashboards let me post!

 

[SchAlternate]

I wasn't arguing for her. In fact, I made this same arguement a lot of times. Sure, K.Rool would be picked first. But Dixie could easily be a late clone addition is all I'm saying.

So was that discussion unnecessary? Or unnecessarily necessary?

Either way, I'm about to reach 1000 post, and I don't really want it to be spent here. Nothing personal, it's just that I know the right thing I could use it for.

 

[FinalStarmen]

PS: God dammit Smashboards let me post!

These technical issues really do need to be addressed. I've literally had to rewrite this message three times.

 

[Morbi]

These technical issues really do need to be addressed. I've literally had to rewrite this message three times.

Yes, it makes it very annoying to try and post consistently. Sometimes it takes me 3-5 tries to get it to work.

 

[Diddy Kong]

So you're anti-White? Fair enough.

I thought you were Black/African, though, not a European/White man.

I assume you understand that all peoples and groups are not equal in behavior and ability, right? (going off the bolded part)

Some groups have more bad apples than others, and vice-versa. People are just so stubborn about accepting these facts, though.

They get all defensive and go "but we're not all like that!" "other people do them too!" (when the person wasn't saying that every single member of a group acted that way) and use some anecdote to "prove them wrong".
They treat the exception as the rule.

Obviously, not every single person in a group acts a certain way, but you can't deny that some behaviors can be shared by a large percentage of a group.

Sorry to go off topic; just thinking out loud about things I see from people.

Am not anti-white, am anti-corruption. And my Jewish-roots and the fact about 80% of my ancestors in Hilter's time died cause the sheep couldn't see there was a wolf acting like a shepherd plus the fact my girl is a black beauty from the Dutch Carribean (former slave-colony of the Netherlands) and I'm having a baby with her strenghtens my conviction. Most of the wrongs aren't done by actual 'evil people' more by people who give them the power, and can't see right from wrong themselves or: believe themselves to be superiour by supervicial, cultural and outward characteristics.

Opressed people act out against the corrupt establishment. Don't always expect people who have been done injustice to always act like the corrupt soceity instructs in established schools, jobs and soceity in general when they are 3 steps behind only from not being from the same culture, or given the same priviliges.

Without equal rights, there'll never be no peace. Believe me I know the content of your words, in which you pretty much avoid saying what you actually mean... All I am saying is, don't assume the negative just because soceity (and mostly the media) wants you to believe to. The world is moving to an era of mass awakening in this matter, don't get left behind.

To adress something else:

What are Mewtwo's chances of getting in?
I'd assume it's at least 50-60% seeing how popular and requested he/it is.

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Mewtwo is to me the most likely character to get in Smash 4 who wasn't in Brawl. And to me, he's even more likely than quite some Brawl veterans.

If any Other M rep, it's Adam. Adam is much more important to the story of not only Other M, but of Metroid, and can do everything that Anthony does and more. Even then, Adam doesn't have a chance. Anthony is the perfect Assist Trophy for sure, and I'm not saying that to take a stab at you or anything, but that's really just his role, he's assisting Samus here and there, but isn't of major importance until the end, and even then it's just for the sake of sparing Madeline some emotions. Now don't get me wrong, I don't like Adam one bit, at least Anthony is an enjoyable character, but I don't see why he'd make it in over Adam other than for personal preference.

Adam did close to nothing. Anthony did all the action. And infact, he has something Adam doesn't: the Plasma gun. Also actual combat experience. And what Anthony lacks in authority, he makes up in pure STYLE.

 

[Morbi]

Am not anti-white, am anti-corruption. And my Jewish-roots and the fact about 80% of my ancestors in Hilter's time died cause the sheep couldn't see there was a wolf acting like a shepherd plus the fact my girl is a black beauty from the Dutch Carribean (former slave-colony of the Netherlands) and I'm having a baby with her strenghtens my conviction. Most of the wrongs aren't done by actual 'evil people' more by people who give them the power, and can't see right from wrong themselves or: believe themselves to be superiour by supervicial, cultural and outward characteristics.

Opressed people act out against the corrupt establishment. Don't always expect people who have been done injustice to always act like the corrupt soceity instructs in established schools, jobs and soceity in general when they are 3 steps behind only from not being from the same culture, or given the same priviliges.

Without equal rights, there'll never be no peace. Believe me I know the content of your words, in which you pretty much avoid saying what you actually mean... All I am saying is, don't assume the negative just because soceity (and mostly the media) wants you to believe to. The world is moving to an era of mass awakening in this matter, don't get left behind.

To adress something else:




Mewtwo is to me the most likely character to get in Smash 4 who wasn't in Brawl. And to me, he's even more likely than quite some Brawl veterans.

This only further establishes why Miis should not be introduced to Smash 4 as a newcomer. Hitler, we cant put Hitler in Smash!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'm sorry is there a debate about human racial differences going on right now?

 

[Diddy Kong]

This only further establishes why Miis should not be introduced to Smash 4 as a newcomer. Hitler, we cant put Hitler in Smash!

It's actually indeed one of the reasons I want the Miis FAR AWAY from Smash, forever.

Luckily the Villager already has stuff like the bowling ball which makes the Mii all the less likely.

 

[Knight Dude]

I'm sorry is there a debate about human racial differences going on right now?

Yeah, there is. Though I tend to stay out of racial debates. I prefer to judge one on their character than their skin. If they happen to be a jerk then that's it, they are a jerk.

But hey! who wants to talk about Smashbros! I know I do! Can't wait to see Ganondorf.