Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[?????????????]

Yeah, kind of. That's a pretty classic game in Japan.

Yeah, but it didn't get sequels or international releases like F-Zero

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Gotta be the scarf, man. Nothing beats a scarf.

And PK Beam, man. Gotta have that Beam!

Watch as he'll mess up your brain and reveal Ganondorf. Embarrass

Why is this even a discussion. We didn't get a Pokemon reveal so what makes you think there is some sort of pattern here?

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I just feel that Dixie's appearances in spin-offs might get her in this spin-off/cross over type game along with her planned playable appearance in Brawl. And also that she'd complete the trio of the 3 main Kongs.

Dixie was only planned as a last minute addition though. She would never outprioritize a completely unique newcomer like K. Rool, just like Doctor Mario didn't outprioritize any unique characters in Brawl.

I'm also not sure when the DK crew became a trio. It's usually a duo who goes out to save the day, and the most recognizable duo with that is DK and Diddy obviously. Donkey, Diddy and Dixie weren't really a trio of sorts until Tropical Freeze.

I don't really think Dixie is unlikely, and it's not that I don't like her either, I just don't see her getting in over any completely unique characters. If she gets in, it's because she'll be a last minute addition, which is why I don't think 4 DK characters is out of question at all.

 

[SchAlternate]

And PK Beam, man. Gotta have that Beam!

Why is this even a discussion. We didn't get a Pokemon reveal so what makes you think there is some sort of pattern here?

Fisrt of, yes.

Second of, Game Freak specifically told Sakurai to not update a Pokemon reveal by X and Y's release for some reason. (As far as I'm concerned)

 

[AEMehr]

Yeah, kind of. That's a pretty classic game in Japan.

Sure, having a game considered a classic is great and all. But it doesn't make you a big name video game character.

Watch as he'll mess up your brain and reveal Ganondorf. Embarrass

Hello nightmares.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Fisrt of, yes.

Second of, Game Freak specifically told Sakurai to not update a Pokemon reveal by X and Y's release for some reason. (As far as I'm concerned)

I know people have said that multiple times, and it makes sense, but do you have that source? I couldn't find it.

 

[Chandeelure]

Not everyone has to support King K. Rool

Bu...but... muh K.Rool and muh Ridley!

 

[BluePikmin11]

Do you guys think Sakurai knows how an average person's brain works?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Dixie was only planned as a last minute addition though.

Source?

She would never outprioritize a completely unique newcomer like K. Rool

Source?

just like Doctor Mario didn't outprioritize any unique characters in Brawl.

Except Dixie Kong. Also where is your source that unique characters will out prioritize clones? Didn't we have Lucas and not Mewtwo?

I'm also not sure when the DK crew became a trio. It's usually a duo who goes out to save the day, and the most recognizable duo with that is DK and Diddy obviously. Donkey, Diddy and Dixie weren't really a trio of sorts until Tropical Freeze.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I think Lucas was revealed just scare Mother fans (Because originally Lucas was to replace Ness in Melee, so Smash fans might worry about Ness's fate in Brawl.)

 

[TumblrFamous]

Do you guys think Sakurai knows how an average person's brain works?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I think Lucas was revealed just scare Mother fans (Because originally Lucas was to replace Ness in Melee, so Smash fans might worry about Ness's fate in Brawl.)

That's only because MOTHER 3 was meant to be international on the Nintendo 64.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Source?


Source?


Except Dixie Kong. Also where is your source that unique characters will out prioritize clones? Didn't we have Lucas and not Mewtwo?

My great source is logic and judging from what happened in Melee and Brawl. There are always last minute additions, 5 in Melee and 2 in Brawl (unless you count Jiggs, then make it 3). Also judging from her placement in the files, she was planned as just that after being scrapped off of Diddy, since she had work begun on her late in development, they wouldn't try and make a completely unique character late in development, that'd require a bunch of sketches and so on, which would be wise to begin so far in development. She was most likely supposed to be a Diddy clone much in the spirit of Wolf to Fox.

Comparing Lucas and Mewtwo to Dixie and K. Rool doesn't really flow with the point in my post, since Mewtwo was an unpopular veteran (popular now, but few really loved playing him in Melee), where as K. Rool would of course be a newcomer.

As for the image, it's a DKC2 promotional picture. Find one after DKC3 with all three of them without Kiddy Kong or something, and then I'm sold.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

My great source is logic and judging from what happened in Melee and Brawl.

That's some pretty dumb logic, especially considering that is NOT what happened in Melee & Brawl. In Melee last minute additions were the norm, and in Brawl, less unique characters still got in and the only last minute addition was Sonic The Hedgehog. All other characters were planned in advance.

There are always last minute additions, 5 in Melee and 2 in Brawl (unless you count Jiggs, then make it 3).

Also judging from her placement in the files, she was planned as just that after being scrapped off of Diddy, since she had work begun on her late in development, they wouldn't try and make a completely unique character late in development

that'd require a bunch of sketches and so on, which would be wise to begin so far in development. She was most likely supposed to be a Diddy clone much in the spirit of Wolf to Fox.

Doesn't mean she isn't uniqu.

Comparing Lucas and Mewtwo to Dixie and K. Rool doesn't really flow with the point in my post

Because it proves your point to be wrong?

since Mewtwo was an unpopular veteran (popular now, but few really loved playing him in Melee), where as K. Rool would of course be a newcomer.

Source that Mewtwo was UNpopular?

As for the image, it's a DKC2 promotional picture. Find one after DKC3 with all three of them without Kiddy Kong or something, and then I'm sold.

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[BKupa666]

Bu...but... muh K.Rool and muh Ridley!

Trying to rip off "muh relevance" to create a new meme? Ha. Good luck with that.

Also:

Daisy is part of the Main Couples Quartet, and appears in spin-offs. She's important and should be playable.

Waluigi is part of the Main Plumbers Quartet, and appears in spin-offs. He's important and should be playable.

The Baby Mario Bros. are part of the Main Partners in Time Quartet, and appear in spin-offs. They're important and should be playable.

Pauline and the Mini Marios are part of the Main Mario vs. Donkey Kong Quartet, and appear in a spin-off series. They're important and should be playable.

Blue Toad and Yellow Toad are part of the Main New Super Mario Bros. Wii Quartet, and appear in spin-offs. They're important and should be playable...maybe not Yellow Toad though, he's not relevant anymore.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Daisy is part of the Main Couples Quartet, and appears in spin-offs. She's important and should be playable.

Love your comparisons. You really know how to get as far away from the point as possible and exaggerate to the point of sheer ridiculousness. Did you actually think these examples were even remotely comparable???

I'm sorry to say, you really half assed that one.

 

[BKupa666]

Love your comparisons. You really know how to get as far away from the point as possible and exaggerate like an idiot. You really half ***** that one.

Find me any promotional material where DK, Diddy and Dixie are specifically referred to as "The Main Kong Trio," and you might have a point. Until then, my made-up group names are just as valid as yours. Ha.

 

[Chandeelure]

God,maybe I will be stupid for saying this.,but I'm starting to think that Krystal is a real possibility,Sakurai really likes Star Fox, "casuals" love her and she is in all the videos about characters predictions in YouTube (and yeah,I know that a lot of the "YouTube fans" and "casuals" know nothing about predictions but still they are fans and Sakurai care about all the fans,not only the people who knows.
Opinions? I'm stupid? XD

 

[TheLastJinjo]

You people are really unbelievable sometimes.

Find me any promotional material where DK, Diddy and Dixie are specifically referred to as "The Main Kong Trio," and you might have a point. Until then, my made-up group names are just as valid as yours. Ha.

Is Knuckles officially referred to as the third main hero? You're comparing a character who has been the third most important protagonist of the series and very often appeared as either the third hero in Donkey Kong games or the one after Diddy Kong, our second main hero to Baby Mario, Mini-Mario, and Pauline simply and only because they have artwork and nothing else.

I just gave you actual reasoning and logic where as you stupidly post a bunch of pictures and say "There that's the same thing as you said because of this one thing you posted in response to a request!" followed by a childish, "Ha!"

Again, you people sometimes. Sometimes you'll only support whatever logic is in your own favor regardless of how stupid it is.

 

[BKupa666]

You people are really unbelievable sometimes.

Is Knuckles officially referred to as the third main hero? You're comparing a character who has been the third most important protagonist of the series and very often appeared as either the third hero in Donkey Kong games or the one after Diddy Kong, our second main hero to Baby Mario, Mini-Mario, and Pauline simply and only because they have artwork and nothing else.

I just gave you actual reasoning and logic where as you stupidly post a bunch of pictures and say "There that's the same thing as you said because of this one thing you posted in response to a request!" followed by a childish, "Ha!"

Again, you people sometimes. Sometimes you'll only support whatever logic is in your own favor regardless of how stupid it is.

You're now switching over to arguing character importance for Dixie as an individual tritagonist, which is much better reasoning. Lumping her into a fictional group of your own creation as an excuse to deem her important by imagined association with DK and Diddy, however, does not pass for anything of the sort. Also, by "appeared very often," you must mean three times, and only once in the past eighteen years, right?

 

[MasterOfKnees]

That's some pretty dumb logic, especially considering that is NOT what happened in Melee & Brawl. In Melee last minute additions were the norm, and in Brawl, less unique characters still got in and the only last minute addition was Sonic The Hedgehog. All other characters were planned in advance.

First off, the team has a priority list they work off of. That's what Sakurai means by saying "We're trying to get in as many characters as possible" this time around. They have a bunch of suggested characters, they order them by list, and then they try to make as many as they can before deadline. That's why the Forbidden 7 even exists in the files, they didn't finish them, and don't try and tell me Sonic's inclusion lead to 7 characters being cut. You can find the source of that yourself, but you really should have heard about the priority list by now, which is btw a necessity for developing any kind of video game.

And again, when I say try and make a completely unique character I mean as in a newcomer. Mewtwo isn't a newcomer, he's a veteran, thus wouldn't require much work since most of the assets and planning was done during Melee.

Doesn't mean she isn't uniqu.

When I say unique I mean like with Meta Knight, Dedede and the likes. Dixie would be based off of Diddy much like how Falco and Wolf are based off of Fox. So yeah, a unique character is someone who isn't a clone or a semi-clone.

Because it proves your point to be wrong?

No, because veterans and newcomers aren't comparable. A veteran has already had major development in previous games, they don't need to make sketches for all moves, they don't need to plan so many things in advance, they don't need to make a completely new moveset. You can't compare Mewtwo to unique newcomers just because he was unique but was cut, because Mewtwo would still be a much easier job to add than probably even Lucas, because the majority of Mewtwo's character was already functional in Melee, they'd just need to tweak it.

Source that Mewtwo was UNpopular?

Did you talk with anyone during pre-Brawl? Mewtwo was frowned upon and joked around with all the time because the strongest Pokémon of all-time apparently sucked. Very few played him because of his odd feel and terrible moveset. It's a classic case of "You don't realize how much you love something until you lose it." And what kind of source do you want me to find with this? Sure, here's a time machine, have fun going back to pre-Brawl discussions.

Oh, and good job linking another picture from DKC2, I requested the opposite of that. In my original post I also said that they weren't really considered a trio before TF, so good job linking that too. Even then, just wait 'till the last playable Kong is revealed, then the TF promotional artwork will be packed up quite a bit more (unless he/she's unlockable), and when that happens, I guess we'll need that Kong to be playable too before we can have K. Rool?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Why can't we have both Dixie and K. Rool?

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Why can't we have both Dixie and K. Rool?

Exactly. What I'm trying to say is that Dixie doesn't hinder K. Rool from getting in, because she'd be handled differently. Four DK characters do make sense to me.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Source?

Heh, reminds me of my DK figures. :D I love standing them together. <3

Yeah, I'm still split on the whole Dixie vs K.Rool thing. Either one is a welcome addition I guess.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Samurai Goroh vs. Takamaru, who would you choose?

Obviously Takamaru since I'd rather have a retro before any series like Mother or F-Zero get another rep. Not to mention he looks way more traditional and cool than El Gordo Goroh.

 

[Zhadgon]

Read the thread nothing changes except Saturn proven wrong again and again, can we change the discussion of which character from the handheld systems could get a spot in the roster bringing something new like moveset and his or her respective universe like Starfy, Dillon, Andy, Isaac or even Dr. Kawashima.
.n_n.

 

[Bowserlick]

Dillon seems to have the most to offer. Mechanics like digging and a Western flavor.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Let's talk more King Hippo:

How would you guys react if he made it to the final roster?
I think he could be a really distinct character that I would main (Probably the only heavyweight main).

 

[Zhadgon]

Dillon seems to have the most to offer. Mechanics like digging and a Western flavor.

I think Dillon would be great it has a unique flavor and a great potential moveset but a character from Advance Wars like Andy, Sam, Max or Nell could bring an awesome moveset and his/her level would be so great maybe like city or the HQ of the Orange Star Army and the music is so well done, it has so many unique tunes.
.n_n.

 

[Bowserlick]

I have never played Advanced Wars. How do they fight?

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'm pretty curious of Advanced Wars now, I'm wanna play it for myself.

I have never played Advanced Wars. How do they fight?

From the screen shots I seen, it works like Fire Emblem.

 

[Bowserlick]

King Hippo seems like he would be a little similar to DK and I do not think Punch Out should have more than one rep.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I have never played Advanced Wars. How do they fight?

They are usually highly trained commanders who would send their units like infantry and tanks to fight in the battlefield. The commanders themselves do have weapons like guns, rocket launchers, tanks, and wrenches (in Andy's case). Basically a Americanized Fire Emblem in terms of gameplay.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Let's talk more King Hippo:

How would you guys react if he made it to the final roster?
I think he could be a really distinct character that I would main (Probably the only heavyweight main).

Well... as long as he doesn't get in INSTEAD of Little Mac, I'd be extremely happy.
I mean sure, overtime (one or two weeks) he would grow on me and I'd finally accept that Little Mac is not in the game, and I'd main him either way (or 2nd him to Megaman).

BUT if he's in WITH Little Mac, OMGosh, I'd love that! I don't care what anyone says, but Punch Out! deserves two characters in my book.

As to how different he'd fight from Little Mac? Well, bear hugging, pineapple throwing, maybe even biting and manhole for shield... I could see happening.
He'd be ridiculously heavy and slow except for jabs.
His UP+B move would be an upwards bearhug charge (kinda like Captain Falcon) except it slams the opponent DK style.

... man King Hippo is so ridiculously easy, I can't even picture a worthy Final Smash for him. Maybe just a Knock Out punch, with Little Mac's KO'ing annimation given to whatever character is hit by it. (So, a 1-hit-KO move) When the animation ends, instead of the character falling down (to the mat), KH would deliver another punch that sends him flying.
(Alternate version: Fruits start falling all over the place, they stun everyone else, and KH has the opportunity to go eat them all (Basically, works kinda like Peach, except instead of putting everyone to sleep, everyone's dazed by the falling fruits)..


Speaking of which... Tomorrow's Punch Out's anniversary.
Gonna be playing that all morning (both NES and Wii, maybe even Snes too), and Sin & Punishment all night for its anniversary as well.
Also going to be preparing a little something for my Little Mac thread.

 

[BluePikmin11]

King Hippo seems like he would be a little similar to DK and I do not think Punch Out should have more than one rep.

The big boxer would rely on heavy punches like Little Mac.
I think he could alot fun, I would imagine myself abusing the Smash attacks to get a big knockout on opponents.
I think his uniqueness could factor in his inclusion, I think it's alright that Punch-Out! could have two characters.
@shin I think that manhole idea sounds good!

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Let's talk more King Hippo:

How would you guys react if he made it to the final roster?
I think he could be a really distinct character that I would main (Probably the only heavyweight main).

I'm not too sure on 2 Punch Out characters, I think Little Mac is enough personally, so I'd be a little weirded out that a newcomer spot was taken by a second Punch Out character, not to mention I don't really have any opinion of King Hippo at all. I wouldn't dislike it per say, just be a bit weirded out.

 

[SchAlternate]

Again, you people sometimes. Sometimes you'll only support whatever logic is in your own favor regardless of how stupid it is.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Why can't we have both Dixie and K. Rool?

Because despite being one of Nintendo's best selling franchise people don't seem to think it deserves 4 characters.

Also because K. Rool lacks MUH RELEVANCY or something.

 

[Zhadgon]

I have never played Advanced Wars. How do they fight?

I'm pretty curious of Advanced Wars now, I'm wanna play it for myself.
From the screen shots I seen, it works like Fire Emblem.

I compare the game like a Chess game where you use different unites to overpower your enemy or control points, really is one of the most underrated franchises ever from Nintendo, it has a great gameplay, the game design is beyond of this world and the characters are all likable or at least most of them my favorite games are the First one and the Second one, here is the introduction video for the first game:

.n_n.

 

[Deleted member]

I think you people forgot something Hippo would have for fighting.

The Mega Belly Bump.