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Blue Toad is also a "Toad named Toad" because of 3D World.
As is Yellow Toad on technicality, since the "Blue" and "Yellow" monikers are used to tell the two apart in label.
 

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I'm really worried about the Pink & Grey Pikmin (yeah, I know the real names I just like to call them that)
 

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Maybe Olimar will use flying Pikmin as a recovery option in order to somewhat compensate for only having three pikmin with him on the field at once. I wonder why it was chosen for him to only have three Pikmin at once though. I can't imagine that much slow down from six pikmin on screen at once.
 

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Maybe Olimar will use flying Pikmin as a recovery option in order to somewhat compensate for only having three pikmin with him on the field at once. I wonder why it was chosen for him to only have three Pikmin at once though. I can't imagine that much slow down from six pikmin on screen at once.
Mainly balance.

Have you ever faced against Olimar? Annoying little ******...
 

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For me...Olimar = Smash Attacks party!
Also I have a question guys,do you think Little Mac is a shoo-in?
Because I want him,but I REALLY want this:

Extremely likely yes. Calling him a shoo-in kind of jinxes a character. :(

But he has a LOT going for him, so I consider him pretty much one of the highlights of the next Character Trailer(s). :)
 

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Mainly balance.

Have you ever faced against Olimar? Annoying little ******...

Honestly I haven't. I didn't use Olimar that often either. Most people I happen to face online use Sheik, Toon Link, Luigi, Fox, and Sonic. Came across a couple of Ganons and Marios as well.
 

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Depends on whether you not you believe any character can be a shoo-in in the first place. If you do, Little Mac's one of them. If you don't, he's not, but then, no one ever was for a Smash game. Claiming that Bowser/Peach/Wario/Diddy/Dedede were shoo-ins before Melee or Brawl, but Little Mac is not for this game shows a complete lack of attention to context and obliviousness as to why he's got such a great shot.
 

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Honestly I haven't. I didn't use Olimar that often either. Most people I happen to face online use Sheik, Toon Link, Luigi, Fox, and Sonic. Came across a couple of Ganons and Marios as well.


You have no idea how annoying Olimars are... I find them even more annoying than MKs, to be honest. Etremely small (if not smallest character), very floaty (super easy to get back to the stage), possibly best projectile that's hard to dodge (them all) and they latch on to you for even more damage racking.
Having them latched on to you blocks your attacks and/or delays them.
By using the whistle he can block ANY attack with them.
They're freakishly strong, and come out in an instant.
His grab range is ridiculously long AND fast with almost no cool down if he misses.
Not to mention it's ridiculous how one tiny Pikmin can completely block a full charged shot from Samus,w hen in reality it should tear them apart like balloons. >_<

He really is a headache, lol. He's one of the 3 characters I want balanced out the most. (As well as Diddy and MK)


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BTW, this is the best thing that could happen to Olimar, IMO. >:)



Samus taking 3 of his Pikmin out with a SINGLE JAB! TvT
 

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Mainly balance.

Have you ever faced against Olimar? Annoying little ******...
True. Although Olimar has a huge weakness of being able to be killed very quickly but he still has an annoying grab game and really good smash attacks to cover that weakness and the fact that his Down B gives him super armor could also prevent offstage gimps.
 

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Depends on whether you not you believe any character can be a shoo-in in the first place. If you do, Little Mac's one of them. If you don't, he's not, but then, no one ever was for a Smash game. Claiming that Bowser/Peach/Wario/Diddy/Dedede were shoo-ins before Melee or Brawl, but Little Mac is not for this game shows a complete lack of attention to context and obliviousness as to why he's got such a great shot.
I guess it doesn't help that people are much more pessimistic this time around.
 

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What can Little Mac bring Smash? He has the Star mechanic. Otherwise, does he have anything not covered by the Wii Fitness Trainer?
 

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I guess it doesn't help that people are much more pessimistic this time around.
That's right. There's also this unspoken mentality that, because a few unlockable veterans became promotions and because Wii Fit Trainer exists, "everything is out the window and nothing is the same and we can't predict anything anymore and there are no shoo-ins and potato." While pre-SSB4 is bound to have its differences from pre-Brawl and pre-Melee by virtue of it being a new game, the very fact that said new game is a mixture between its two predecessors ought to be indication enough that similarities will exist within this period as well. I fully expect this to become apparent to the forum's Chicken Littles once we get confirmation of even one more newcomer.
 

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What can Little Mac bring Smash? He has the Star mechanic. Otherwise, does he have anything not covered by the Wii Fitness Trainer?


Well... A huge history with NIntendo for starters. Pop culture. Western fighting style (isn't Yoga Hindu?)

And I think one mechanic (in this case, star mechanic) is more than enough. More than one risks the character becoming unbalanced (P.T. comes to mind with his force switch and stamina)

A high risk / high reward gameplay style which could prove to be quite fun!
And awesome music that would make WFT green with envy. :D

And the Doc! The quirkyness of the Punch Out universe. Super fun Assist Trophies... list goes on.
 

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What can Little Mac bring Smash? He has the Star mechanic. Otherwise, does he have anything not covered by the Wii Fitness Trainer?
Aside from Doc Louis, exercise equipment, and allusions to other boxers' attacks, Little Mac can also have a Heart mechanic to compliment the Star mechanic. Basically, the way most people seem to interpret it, Little Mac gains stars that power up his Star Uppercut by playing with competent offense, interrupting attacks and landing his own. The Heart mechanic would weaken Little Mac if he gets clobbered horribly during a match, and require him to successfully dodge enemy attacks to get back to full strength.

Basically, it fits into Little Mac's playstyle in that, to play at his peak, he's got to balance offensive rushdown and defense simultaneously like a true boxer, rather than just mindlessly rushing into battle and tanking enemy blows in lieu of dodging them. It's far from necessary, but it's another potential twist he could have if being a straight-man boxer isn't good enough for you.
 

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What can Little Mac bring Smash? He has the Star mechanic. Otherwise, does he have anything not covered by the Wii Fitness Trainer?

Little Mac has a boxing fighting style to use. Its one of those fighting style that are often found in a bunch of fighting games. Yet, Smash is one of the few series hasn't had a character to completely encompass that archetype. For one, we haven't seen the Wii Trainer do that. That and Little Mac's a classic Nintendo character that people really like. Or at least Punch Out!! the series is really liked, and he's the main hero of said series.
 

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I missed the Olimar balance discussion. This makes Jigglypuff very sad.

That's right. There's also this unspoken mentality that, because a few unlockable veterans became promotions and because Wii Fit Trainer exists, "everything is out the window and nothing is the same and we can't predict anything anymore and there are no shoo-ins and potato." While pre-SSB4 is bound to have its differences from pre-Brawl and pre-Melee by virtue of it being a new game, the very fact that said new game is a mixture between its two predecessors ought to be indication enough that similarities will exist within this period as well. I fully expect this to become apparent to the forum's Chicken Littles once we get confirmation of even one more newcomer.
I agree with you to an extent. I mostly wanted to ask you a question, why do some users use the term "shoo-in"? I do not understand, I was under the impression that the term was "shoe-in", as in the character has their feet in the hypothetical door. Just a question.

I do agree with you about the forum's Chicken Littles though. Haha. I just never thought about it like that.
 

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I missed the Olimar balance discussion. This makes Jigglypuff very sad.

I agree with you to an extent. I mostly wanted to ask you a question, why do some users use the term "shoo-in"? I do not understand, I was under the impression that the term was "shoe-in", as in the character has their feet in the hypothetical door. Just a question.

I do agree with you about the forum's Chicken Littles though. Haha. I just never thought about it like that.
I believe the correct term is 'shoo-in,' as in, someone or something is being 'shooed' or ushered into a certain position because of qualification for it. Most Google searches I've done seem to agree, though it's largely a matter of preference in the end.
 

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Also, I don't exactly see how Wii Fit Trainer suddenly defies all conventions and we should change our entire prospective on things. She's not exactly providing anything revolutionary to the table. I mean last time around out big surprise was Snake, which basically meant that the prospective of characters not owned by Nintendo was possible. What exactly does Wii Fit Trainer bring that is exactly game changing?
 

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Well... A huge history with NIntendo for starters. Pop culture. Western fighting style (isn't Yoga Hindu?)

And I think one mechanic (in this case, star mechanic) is more than enough. More than one risks the character becoming unbalanced (P.T. comes to mind with his force switch and stamina)

A high risk / high reward gameplay style which could prove to be quite fun!
And awesome music that would make WFT green with envy. :D

And the Doc! The quirkyness of the Punch Out universe. Super fun Assist Trophies... list goes on.
It really depends, Yoga is derived from Hinduism, but it is more spiritual and religious. The Yoga that Wii Fit Trainer does is the westernized version, so it would be correct to assert that Yoga is western in this context. I honestly don't think that Little Mac needs a mechanic, Smash could use a character that can actually fight in their... party fighting game. Boxing is a predefined fighting style, it isn't like he is just going to be throwing punches the entire time. If you play a fighting game like Tekken or Street Fighter... or any fighting game really, most of the characters happen to throw punches and kicks. There ARE a ton of different ways to incorporate a "generic" fighting style to make it fun. He isn't the most unique character, but his popularity and support is enough in my opinion. He is definitely worthy of a slot based on his past with Nintendo. He isn't a bad choice, he might not be the most ideal, but the stage alludes to his inclusion anyhow. So I am not going to worry too much.
 

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Also, I don't exactly see how Wii Fit Trainer suddenly defies all conventions and we should change our entire prospective on things. She's not exactly providing anything revolutionary to the table. I mean last time around out big surprise was Snake, which basically meant that the prospective of characters not owned by Nintendo was possible. What exactly does Wii Fit Trainer bring that is exactly game changing?

I think WFT was just included to bring a laugh out of the people who hate casual games like the Wii titles, not to mention a curveball addition.
Although according to Sakurai... it's all about taking something random, and turning it into a fighting style. Not a 100% convinced by this move because while it can be fun, I also don't want him to go overboard and pull a UMvC3's Phoenix Wright (who takes down Marvel superheroes by walking towards them and flapping papers).
 

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I think WFT was just included to bring a laugh out of the people who hate casual games like the Wii titles, not to mention a curveball addition.
It was more like including something nobody expected, and providing a character with a unique playstyle. I recall it was more of a "dancing" vibe, and he thought that was good enough for inclusion. Contrary to what people will say, sales have never been mentioned for influence.
 

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I think WFT was just included to bring a laugh out of the people who hate casual games like the Wii titles, not to mention a curveball addition.
Although according to Sakurai... it's all about taking something random, and turning it into a fighting style. Not a 100% convinced by this move because while it can be fun, I also don't want him to go overboard and pull a UMvC3's Phoenix Wright (who takes down Marvel superheroes by walking towards them and flapping papers).
I honestly feel as though Wii Fit Trainer was actually an ideal choice in his perspective. In hindsight, she did contribute a lot to Nintendo and she will probably continue to do so with Wii Fit games. The popularity of the game is a little under-rated. Hypothetically speaking, she should have been fairly obvious. Incorporating Yoga might have been stretching it, but I don't think she was a joke character. I think he was trying to elicit surprise, not make people angry. I do not believe that this entails that he is going to go over board or pick random characters. I think it was just something special.
 

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Also, I don't exactly see how Wii Fit Trainer suddenly defies all conventions and we should change our entire prospective on things. She's not exactly providing anything revolutionary to the table. I mean last time around out big surprise was Snake, which basically meant that the prospective of characters not owned by Nintendo was possible. What exactly does Wii Fit Trainer bring that is exactly game changing?

I believe it would be like this. "CUZ SHEEE'S A GURL TAT IS FROM CAHSUALL GAEM! TOTES THE MOST UNIQUE" Or like, "MUH CAHSUALL" Yes, that hurt to even type.
 

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I wish Sakurai would just come out and say in an interview that he's not gonna add a bunch of casual or oddball characters because he put in WFT.

He made similar points about Namco characters and third-parties in general, so why not this?

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I wish Sakurai would just come out and say in an interview that he's not gonna add a bunch of casual or oddball characters because he put in WFT.

He made similar points about Namco characters and third-parties in general, so why not this?

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There is absolutely no reason for him to clarify or elaborate on his intentions, especially in regards to something so minute. It does advocate senseless speculation, but at the same time, I feel like the 3rd party statement was actually warranted to address and prevent certain misconceptions. He didn't want Namco's involvement with the game to be misconstrued. That being said, it is somewhat given. Of course, some people would prefer to hear it from him, but it is unnecessary.
 

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Also, I don't exactly see how Wii Fit Trainer suddenly defies all conventions and we should change our entire prospective on things. She's not exactly providing anything revolutionary to the table. I mean last time around out big surprise was Snake, which basically meant that the prospective of characters not owned by Nintendo was possible. What exactly does Wii Fit Trainer bring that is exactly game changing?
We should be more aware of more Nintendo series that really don't take a form of violence, like some of the Touch Generation games on the DS. A few of those kind could get a character.
 

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I wish Sakurai would just come out and say in an interview that he's not gonna add a bunch of casual or oddball characters because he put in WFT.

He made similar points about Namco characters and third-parties in general, so why not this?

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He should make it really simple too.

"I'm sorry, but no Nintendogs in Smash." *laughs* That's it. The whole interview.
 

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He should make it really simple too.

"I'm sorry, but no Nintendogs in Smash." *laughs* That's it. The whole interview.
Quite an unlikely scenario, as he wouldn't want to disappoint any of his fans, even for a character like Nintendog.

Yeah...


Not really.
Always want the cool characters with cool powers eh..
 

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Yeah...


Not really.
It does certainly set the precedent. Sora Ltd. reveals Villager AND Wii Fit Trainer during E3 time? BluePikmin could actually be on to something. A Smash character doesn't need to be a Little Mac or a Mewtwo. The character can be something non-violent. Smash is a party game after all. He is also emphasizing DS games as a theme for the 3DS version of the game. I think it would be fallacious to dismiss the notion of another non-violent character joining the fray. I am not insinuating that all newcomers will be non-violent, but the chances of one more? I think they are fairly high.
 
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