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BluePikmin11

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We really shouldn't change our prospective. Wii Fit trainer isnt exactly a typical Nintendo allstar, but based off popularity and iconicness, it was really in front of us the whole time. No one guessed it but it happened,like before with Snake and Rob.

As far as villager goes, it was a bit of a surprise to see him because Sakurai went back on something he said from before. I guess we didnt expect that, but people tend to do what they sa, but he came up with a feasible moveset that works, so thats probably why he ended up adding him.
Then he can see possible uniqueness with a character from Brain Age and Nintendog, and they are series lots of people are aware of.

I want you to legitimately answer the following question. *ahem* :

If the only reason you think Nintendogs and Brain Age is important is because of how popular the GAME is and how much it sold rather than the characters, then why don't you just have the GAME itself as a stage?
I take uniqueness also as a reason (In which Nintendog and Dr. Kawashima actually have) with the addition both series as important to Nintendo, they already differentiate from other characters. There's my reasons. :p
 

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We really shouldn't change our prospective. Wii Fit trainer isnt exactly a typical Nintendo allstar, but based off popularity and iconicness, it was really in front of us the whole time. No one guessed it but it happened,like before with Snake and Rob.
Although I agree with you on ROB and indeed your general point, Snake, being the first 3rd Party character, was anything but an obvious pick for pre-Brawl trailer speculation.
 

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Fox is a FOX, Falco is a BIRD, Mario is a HUMAN, Dedede is a PENGUIN, Toad is a TOAD, Yoshi is a YOSHI. <- totes best example.
Let us not base our arguments on such characteristics. What are you, categorialist?
 

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The Fire Emblem Awakening box was already suggested for a character, so I don't see why the Nintendogs box can't be a stage.

Wait WHAT? Kawashima is not owned by Nintendo?
Now I think he has -100% chances instead of 0%.
He's also a real person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryuta_Kawashima


I actually think the Brain Age portrayal of Kawashima could get in, but Sakurai would first need permission from the guy himself.

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Although I agree with you on ROB and indeed your general point, Snake, being the first 3rd Party character, was anything but an obvious pick for pre-Brawl trailer speculation.
I can understand the general shock made by a character like WFT at first, but the fact is that it doea make sense in the end. Like Snake, where his history with Nintendo was strong enough to include him, even if he was 3rd party which we havent seen before at that point.
 

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Fox is a FOX, Falco is a BIRD, Mario is a HUMAN, Dedede is a PENGUIN, Toad is a TOAD, Yoshi is a YOSHI. <- totes best example.
Let us not base our arguments on such characteristics. What are you, categorialist?
They are all anthropomorphic and/or cartoony, though (also, Toad is a MUSHROOM)

Nintendog is, by definition, a DOG. Nothing more and nothing less than a DOG.

At least Duck Hunt Dog is anthropomorphic and cartoony.
 

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They're not REAL dogs, birds, and penguins!
Yoshi is a Yoshi. At what point do we draw the line? Yoshi is a real imitation of dinosaurs, right? No, of course not. There is some merit to the argument that the characters are not express imitations of real life counterparts, however, cannot a representative of the Nintendog franchise be devised that is DOGE THE DOGE or something that's like a Yoshi or Toad or anything just as unique? Smash, then, would not be representing an imitation, but be representing a representative of the franchise. To that effect it is about perspective, but I ultimately have to agree with you, I don't think that Sakurai will take that perspective and include Nintendog as a character, however, it is certainly well within the realm of plausibility.
 

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The rest of the characters chosen for Sm4sh imo need to be of the most requested/popular characters, or at least 90 %. Kawashima, Nintendog, Anna and Harry are not in that category, so if we're looking at it that way, none of them are that popular.

Are they impossible? No. Are they likely? Absolutely not. Especially when a roster has ALL of them. That isn't a risk. That's just being stupid. Pick ONE of them, and that's a risk.

Even then, they're all unlikely. Nintendog won't happen based on the fact that that's a lawsuit waiting to happen. Kawashima could, but is hardly requested and may not be eligible. Anna is essentially overshadowed by Chrom and Roy by a very long shot, and Harry is possible, but Virtual boy.
 

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Wait WHAT? Kawashima is not owned by Nintendo?
Now I think he has -100% chances instead of 0%.
It's possible that Sakurai can ask Kawashima to use his likeness. I don't think you should immediately round to negative 100. :p

The rest of the characters chosen for Sm4sh imo need to be of the most requested/popular characters, or at least 90 % percent. Kawashima, Nintendog, Anna and Harry are not in that category, so if we're looking at it that way, none of them are that popular.

Are they impossible? No. Are they likely? Absolutely not. Especially when a roster has ALL of them. That isn't a risk. That's just being stupid. Pick ONE of them, and that's a risk.

Even then, they're all unlikely. Nintendog won't happen based on the fact that that's a lawsuit waiting to happen. Kawashima could, but is hardly requested and may not be eligible. Anna is essentially overshadowed by Chrom and Roy by a very long shot, and Harry is possible, but Virtual boy.
He could ignore the fans again, just like WFT. :9
 

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Then he can see possible uniqueness with a character from Brain Age and Nintendog, and they are series lots of people are aware of.

I take uniqueness also as a reason (In which Nintendog and Dr. Kawashima actually have) with the addition both series as important to Nintendo, they already differentiate from other characters. There's my reasons. :p

I don't know dude. Andross in my eyes would make a better "floating head with disembodied hands" character. I don't know how, but that's some sort of architype in games isn't it?
 

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Oh joy, Blue is going on about Kawashima and Nintendog AGAIN.

Then he can see possible uniqueness with a character from Brain Age and Nintendog, and they are series lots of people are aware of.
Lots of people are aware of Tetris, let's add a Tetris character!

Seriously, the only reason you consider them possible is because they are part of well known series and, according to you, have potential. You seem to be completely ignoring several others issues. For one the real Kawashima may not want to have his virtual counterpart to be a playable character in a Fighting game, and then theres the fact that Kawashima is a floating head. Sure, Mewtwo can levitate, but at least he has a full body and can acutally stand on the ground. Third, we already have Wii Fit Trainer, Sakurai isn't just going to bring in a whole bunch of unexpected characters from casual games.

And Nintendog's main issue is that PETA would not be happy about a realistic dog being playable in a fighting game.
 

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, and then theres the fact that Kawashima is a floating head. Sure, Mewtwo can levitate, but at least he has a full body and can acutally stand on the ground.
He doesn't need to stand on the ground,
that what makes him unique already. He can move by levitation. Maybe you strictly like characters with a body, but not all characters have to have a body in order to be in.
 
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1. I am tired of having to repeat this; there is NO SUCH THING as a "4th Party".
3rd Party refers to any and all properties that a company (in this case, Nintendo) or any of that company's subsidiaries has no legal ownership of.

2. Despite Nintendo not having legal ownership over Kawashima himself (that would be slavery), they do have ownership over their fictional incarnation of him much like Microsoft has ownership over theirs.


This can't appear on a non-Nintendo system.



Nor can this.




This can't appear on a non-Xbox related system.

All Nintendo would need to do is get his permission to use his likeness. Which would only be a drop in the bucket. Especially if they could get it to make available hats for Miis on StreetPass for his normal appearance and his Devilish appearance.




Is Kawashima likely? Hell no.
But being "a real person" isn't going to be what prevents him.
 

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For one the real Kawashima may not want to have his virtual counterpart to be a playable character in a Fighting game. Third, we already have Wii Fit Trainer, Sakurai isn't just going to bring in a whole bunch of unexpected characters from casual games.
Nintendo actually has a great relationship with Kawashima, Iwata and him are great friends, those two lead to the creation of Brain Age. I think he's willing to accept ideas from Nintendo.

But is very much possible that he can do a WFT situation again (but not as surprising) with Dr. Kawashima.
 
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We're more likely to get Popeye than Kawashima.
Let that sink in, BluePikmin, and stop pulling a Diddy Kong.
 

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but Yuiitusin makes a great point.
Yeah, I don't' believe you.

But is very much possible that he can do a WFT situation again (but not as surprising) with Dr. Kawashima.
Saying something possible is one of the worst defenses to claim something is likely going to happen. Anything is possible. And you STILL didn't answer my last question.
 

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1. I am tired of having to repeat this; there is NO SUCH THING as a "4th Party".
3rd Party refers to any and all properties that a company (in this case, Nintendo) or any of that company's subsidiaries has no legal ownership of.

Is Kawashima likely? Hell no.
But being "a real person" isn't going to be what prevents him.
You might as well have to copy-and-paste this post elsewhere, as I fear the tireless discussion of "4th party characters" and intellectual properties will arise again.
 

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Chrom voiced by Gilbert Gottfried.

I can just imagine...

"Speaker of cadavers, have you ever seen my book on crime scene photographs?"
"Uh.. uh.. no, not actually..."
"OH! I carry it around as a conversation piece!"
"Oh no no no no no..."
"Here, it's called Isn't It Gross, it's full of crime scene photographs. I'll show it to you while you're eating!"

*pictures of Snake donig things in Brawl*
 
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