Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[BluePikmin11]

So we're discussing BluePikmin's roster now?
Well then, I'd really like to share one of mine that I just finished recently (It isn't too far off my previous ones, but I thought mix it up with something relatively large). /shamelessselfpromotion

[collapse="le reasoning"]So then, this roster has 48 selectable characters (52 Playable) and no cuts.
Bowser Jr. - This character is nobody new to most of us. Junior is arguably, the most likely Mario newcomer at this point. The only ones in his way are Paper Mario, Waluigi (both who have mediocre at best chances), and Toad (who is Junior's top competitor, despite a possible deconfirmation). Rosalina may have some chance, but it's substantially lower than those of Paper Mario and Waluigi.
While the Super Mario franchise may not even get a newcomer, I really do believe in one happening. It's not every smash we get all four of them a long time before release.

King K. Rool - Another character pretty much everybody is aware about around these parts. Not much to say about K. Rool, many want the Donkey Kong franchise to receive a new character. Whether it be Dixie Kong or K. Rool. I just decided to stick with K. Rool because I feel that he's a bit more iconic to the franchise than Dixie is, but I still think it could go either way here.

Shulk - Shulk as many of you know is an absurdly popular character, but for good reason. After all of the attention circulating around his game due to Project Rainfall, it would seem like a no brainer to consider adding in a character from a game that received so much attention. With the franchise seeing a possible sequel in Monolift Soft's X, it is very likely that we will see Shulk again. Due to Xenoblade being a very large cult hit, I suppose you could call Shulk the Ness of this generation. No reason to not add in Shulk for the same reason Ness was in the original Smash, right?

Ridley - A character who has been discussed to death, you probably already know why he's a perfect fit. So I'm not going to discuss the reasoning behind him.

Palutena - Probably the most biased addition to my roster, Palutena is a very interesting character to add into the mix. The Kid Icarus franchise doesn't need any additional characters, so naturally you would probably wouldn't consider a character to it over say, Zelda or F-Zero. But Palutena really seemed to change the mold, the only thing she really has over any other character is her overall popularity. Since Uprising Palutena's requests had skyrocketed. She suddenly became the talk of the town and now she has remained to be in the top 5 of general requested characters since Smash U & 3DS's reveal trailer. Even though it might not matter then, she still remained to be a top competitor. With Sakurai leading the team right after working on Uprising, it is very possible that he could easily make Palutena a workable Smash character, despite her role as a Goddess. But that could work against her as well, if Sakurai sees that Palutena fights through Pit. So it really could go either way. But I do think that Palutena is among the riskiest of character choices.

Isaac - A fairly requested character preBrawl to now. Golden Sun isn't a franchise I'm very familiar with, and I've been told to try it out some day in the future. Something I can't deny is how much support Isaac actually has in comparison to other miscellaneous character choices. The only one who surpasses him is Little Mac, and is partially rivaled against Shulk. I feel that both Isaac and Shulk add different unique aspects into the mix, and would both fit perfectly into Smash without an issue. Despite it popularity dwindling in Japan, I now firmly believe that Isaac has the next best chance behind Little Mac for being our next Miscellaneous character (unless Little Mac is considered a retro, which would then suggest that Isaac is the next best choice).

Villager - Probably the best Miscellaneous character choice possible. Very happy with his inclusion.

Wii Fit Trainer - Despite people calling her the "WTF" character, I believe the correct thing to refer to her (and G&W+R.O.B.) would be "Hardware" Character. She, like G&W and R.O.B., are from unique Nintendo peripherals that weren't part of their basic home console and hand held set up (I don't really count the Game & Watch as a handheld system, since each system had a unique game to it). So with that said, I believe she is the closest we will get to a Mr. Game & Watch and R.O.B. this time around. Always happy to be surprised by Sakurai, I really enjoy her inclusion.

Mewtwo - Nothing really to talk about here, pretty much everybody wants him back. He's the most requested character at this point, him making a return is hopefully inevitable.

Robin - The big change from previous rosters, the return of Robin! So then, why Robin you ask? Just personal preference really. I do think that Sakurai is looking for characters with something new to add to the mix and I believe Robin is the best possible character for Fire Emblem that can do that. Even if Chrom is considerably the better choice in general, I feel that Awakening has a large focus on Robin as well. Since a good portion of it is seen through the eyes of Robin and especially since Robin is the one to make out the orders of attack. The game couldn't exist without her / him. With that said, I don't think the game belongs to Chrom, but is shared between Chrom and Robin. Robin would also be another character to have an alternate costume that switches the character's gender, I mean we already have two characters that could already do that (Wii Fit Trainer and Villager), so a third one wouldn't hurt.

Lip - My secondary retro character choice. Panel de Pon is arguably a very large Nintendo franchise and still is pretty active, while Lip herself isn't. Panel de Pon has had many references put into Smash Bros since Melee and I feel that Lip has been a bit overdue for a Smash appearance. The Puzzle franchises of Nintendo have been ignored, and I do believe that it is time for those to have a character to represent them in Smash. She may be a bit less likely than Takamaru, but I feel that Lip would be the more interesting choice between the two. So I preferred to choose her over Takamaru.

Little Mac - My primary retro character choice. Little Mac is considered a retro character in my roster, primarily because of where I placed him. He could be miscellaneous or retro, but it doesn't really matter all that much. Since both kinda go into miscellaneous anyways. Mac-baby is the most requested new franchise character, so there isn't any reason to really describe my reasoning behind him. He's on all of the rosters anyways.

Mega Man - Best newcomer so far, incredibly happy to see him with Mario and Sonic.[/collapse]
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So that's my roster. I also really tried to make sure that the character organization was really nice with a reason behind where every character is placed. See if you can guess why they're placed where they are!

Pretty roster to look at, but I feel that Takamaru would take the spot for retros.
Nothing much changed on your rosters though.
Edit: Also Toad > Bowser Jr.

 

[Morbi]

"Historical doesn't necessarily have to allude to Nintendo's History" what? o.o then what have to allude? im not following you there.

Well i hated zamus with passion, but no many folks did.
Both G&W and ROB are hated to this day, same as the poor yoga lady.

"unexpected"
First time i hear that type of character in that way actually, but i was trully expecting poketrainer with some folks in a comunity back then, because that was the real character we use in the game (that was my excuse, i even tought in a profesor oak moveset because was laughable... ). Also, this includes zelda in the "wtf unexpected" category? how about jiglypuff?

Historical doesn't need to directly pertain to Nintendo's History collectively. The statement doesn't mean much on its own, you have to comprehend the proceeding sentences and incorporate them into what I am saying. Especially the "coined term" notion which completely changes the context of the statement.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Is it just me, or does Rosalina actually seem legit?

 

[Morbi]

Is it just me, or does Rosalina actually seem legit?

I am actually starting to feel this way, it is certainly not definite, but it would be unfair to say that she is less likely than any other member of the "Big 4". Personally, her inclusion would excite me to no end, I wasn't aware that she was even a possibility (despite every Nintendo character being a possibility). So I would be happily surprised if she was in the game. A little less surprised had they not announced her playable character status and directly follow it up with a Galaxy Stage reveal.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Looks like I support every Melee veteran except Young Link.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I feel that Sakurai might be waiting for a unique contender for the Mario series.
I would happily wait till Rosalina gets enough popularity for her to be included.

 

[Morbi]

Looks like I support every Melee veteran except Young Link.

I am the very same, well I wouldn't be too distraught at the removal of G+W or Ice Climbers, but I wouldn't enjoy it either.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Will you people stop pretending we play as fan theorized reps, it's really distracting how nobody bothers to talk about characters. It's always the stuff that goes around the character, but nobody bothers to talk about the characters themselves. If the characters themselves don't matter, then why the hell should we be interested?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Let's talk about Rosalina's playstyle. I don't have much of a creative brain right now, as I am pretty tired from sleep, what can you guys think of.

 

[Sobreviviente]

Historical doesn't need to directly pertain to Nintendo's History collectively. The statement doesn't mean much on its own, you have to comprehend the proceeding sentences and incorporate them into what I am saying. Especially the "coined term" notion which completely changes the context of the statement.

Ok, i dont speak english too often and you are using some new words in my dialect, be a bit patient with me.
Are you saying WFT is not historical because is new?

 

[Chandeelure]

Will you people stop pretending we play as fan theorized reps, it's really distracting how nobody bothers to talk about characters. It's always the stuff that goes around the character, but nobody bothers to talk about the characters themselves. If the characters themselves don't matter, then why the hell should we be interested?

Thank you.

 

[Morbi]

Will you people stop pretending we play as fan theorized reps, it's really distracting how nobody bothers to talk about characters. It's always the stuff that goes around the character, but nobody bothers to talk about the characters themselves. If the characters themselves don't matter, then why the hell should we be interested?

I am interested in all of the intricacies that correlate to the character. Apparently I am not alone as no one really wants to just talk about JUST the characters. It (all elements representing the character) is how we should evaluate their chances as opposed to what they offer. Obviously subjective. Just my take on things.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I am interested in all of the intricacies that correlate to the character. Apparently I am not alone as no one really wants to just talk about JUST the characters. It (all elements representing the character) is how we should evaluate their chances as opposed to what they offer. Obviously subjective. Just my take on things.

No I'm talking about how people talk about sales, relevance, demographics, what other buzz words you want to shovel in. Nobody talks about the characters themselves. I'm not a scientist, but I'm pretty sure in Super Smash Bros. we play as varies characters from varies established franchises created and developed over the years, not spend our time looking at pie graphs.

 

[Morbi]

Ok, i dont speak english too often and you are using some new words in my dialect, be a bit patient with me.
Are you saying WFT is not historical because is new?

Negative, she is most certainly important to Nintendo's History. However, using a more applied definition within the context of the notion that it is only a coined phrase (as opposed to an objective term) we can thoroughly discern that she isn't best represented as a historical character (she doesn't share a lot of attributes with the characters we tend to establish as "historical characters". If we were to use that very broad definition, every character in the game is historical. So we are limiting it to the point of discussion. It does seem a bit arbitrary; however, that is just how it seems to work... even if it could be perceived as erroneous.

So it isn't that she isn't historical because of her "age". It has more to do with the premise that she doesn't fit in the category as effectively. Most people associate her as a WTF character as opposed to a character that alludes to the significance of Nintendo History (even though she does that as well).

 

[Baskerville]

No I'm talking about how people talk about sales, relevance, demographics, what other buzz words you want to shovel in. Nobody talks about the characters themselves. I'm not a scientist, but I'm pretty sure in Super Smash Bros. we play as varies characters from varies established franchises created and developed over the years, not spend our time looking at pie graphs.

I think of those types as Smash PRs.

 

[BKupa666]

Let's talk about Rosalina's playstyle. I don't have much of a creative brain right now, as I am pretty tired from sleep, what can you guys think of.

Well, her allegedly unique Luma Spin is essentially Peach's N-Air, so there's that...

 

[Bowserlick]

Will you people stop pretending we play as fan theorized reps, it's really distracting how nobody bothers to talk about characters. It's always the stuff that goes around the character, but nobody bothers to talk about the characters themselves. If the characters themselves don't matter, then why the hell should we be interested?

Were you mounted by a mule today? You seem agitated even after such a glorious stage reveal.

 

[Baskerville]

Were you mounted by a mule today? You seem agitated even after such a glorious stage reveal.

You're surprised by this?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Were you mounted by a mule today? You seem agitated even after such a glorious stage reveal.

You want me to talk in a gleeful flamboyant tone with pink text and hearts instead?

 

[Sobreviviente]

Negative, she is most certainly important to Nintendo's History. However, using a more applied definition within the context of the notion that it is only a coined phrase (as opposed to an objective term) we can thoroughly discern that she isn't best represented as a historical character (she doesn't share a lot of attributes with the characters we tend to establish as "historical characters". If we were to use that very broad definition, every character in the game is historical. So we are limiting it to the point of discussion. It does seem a bit arbitrary; however, that is just how it seems to work... even if it could be perceived as erroneous.

So it isn't that she isn't historical because of her "age". It has more to do with the premise that she doesn't fit in the category as effectively. Most people associate her as a WTF character as opposed to a character that alludes to the significance of Nintendo History (even though she does that as well).

Sorry, but wtf/unexpected characters doesnt really have sense to me, the reason why we get zamus had less to do with WFT than the reason why i see WFT in the historical category.

Anyways, i can agree with that she is not the best option for the category (not that we have too many options right now), but thats also is because she is new
But returning to my original point, seriously, we may have another historical figure and i definetily wouldnt say no to that, but she IS an interesting history lesson right now.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Perhaps someone should make a thread where everyone can make a moveset for a certain from playstyle to final smashes. But we would have to do one character at a time though. I would make the thread, but it would be real hard to manage.​

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Will you people stop pretending we play as fan theorized reps, it's really distracting how nobody bothers to talk about characters. It's always the stuff that goes around the character, but nobody bothers to talk about the characters themselves. If the characters themselves don't matter, then why the hell should we be interested?

Ike. There's a topic to discuss.

Specifically, would he even be a likely low priority veteran? I really doubt that. I mean, no one within his franchise except obviously Marth is more, or even as important to FE history as Ike is given that he is one of the only two protagonists to star in more than one game. Assuming there will be another FE character added, what possible reason would they have to be prioritized over Ike?

You want me to talk in a gleeful flamboyant tone with pink text and hearts instead?

Go on. Do it!

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Because we need to appeal to the kids! We gotta be hip and cool!
Kids wont' recognize Takamaru, get Cat Mario in there instead!

What if kids mistaken him for a certain someone from Rorouni Kenshin?

Spoiler

It's Honey Queen. No one see's it coming.

Honey Queen was Mario's friend? Who would have known.

 

[Morbi]

Sorry, but wtf/unexpected characters doesnt really have sense to me, the reason why we get zamus had less to do with WFT than the reason why i see WFT in the historical category.

Anyways, i can agree with that she is not the best option for the category (not that we have to many options right now), but thats also is because she is new
But returning to my original point, seriously, we may have another historical figure and i definetily wouldnt say no to that, but she IS an interesting history lesson right now.

I also agree with this sentiment. You are correct, the fallacious categorization is mostly based on her being more recent. I was just stating some of the similarities of ZSSamus, obviously she got in on her own merits, it had little to do with the notion that she was unexpected. I wouldn't actually mind if she counted as the historical character, I am not overly fond of the other options. Haha.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I also agree with this sentiment. You are correct, the fallacious categorization is mostly based on her being more recent. I was just stating some of the similarities of ZSSamus, obviously she got in on her own merits, it had little to do with the notion that she was unexpected. I wouldn't actually mind if she counted as the historical character, I am not overly fond of the other options. Haha.

It just seems too early of a reveal (She was revealed right at the beginning of Smash 4 E3 reveal) for her to be the "historical" WTF character. I would call it really really odd.

 

[Morbi]

It just seems too early of a reveal (She was revealed right at the beginning of Smash 4 E3 reveal) for her to be the "historical" WTF character.

Yes, I agree with that, I am not calling her the ROB or G+W. However, ideally she is a historical character. Just not in the context that we are discussing.

 

[Bowserlick]

You want me to talk in a gleeful flamboyant tone with pink text and hearts instead?

I want to see your guesses on the roster. Don't pretend your above it. And yes, use pink.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I want to your guesses on the roster. Don't pretend your above it. And yes, use pink.

For entertainment let's have Xenoblaze make a roster, I don't think I ever seen any of his rosters yet.

 

[Sobreviviente]

It just seems too early of a reveal (She was revealed right at the beginning of Smash 4 E3 reveal) for her to be the "historical" WTF character. I would call it really really odd.

She may be the first historical which time period is today, maybe odd but has sense.
I dont see too many wii fitt users buying the game because of her, but i can definitely see smash fans buying wii fitt because of her...

 

[Morbi]

For entertainment let's have Xenoblaze make a roster, I don't think I ever seen any of his rosters yet.

Maybe he doesn't want to receive our harsh criticism? I have never made a roster either... but no one cares about me....

 

[TheLastJinjo]

No I'm talking about how people talk about sales, relevance, demographics, what other buzz words you want to shovel in. Nobody talks about the characters themselves. I'm not a scientist, but I'm pretty sure in Super Smash Bros. we play as varies characters from varies established franchises created and developed over the years, not spend our time looking at pie graphs.

Seriously, though. Thank god I'm not the only one who realizes this!!!

 

[BluePikmin11]

Maybe he doesn't want to receive our harsh criticism? I have never made a roster either... but no one cares about me....

I think he can handle criticism, it's part of life anyways.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

But no one cares about TheDivineDiety....

Fixed.

 

[Chandeelure]

Maybe he doesn't want to receive our harsh criticism? I have never made a roster either... but no one cares about me....

Who are you?

 

[LoneKonWolf]

... but no one cares about me....

hey everyone since no one cares about morbid now,
lets all talk about how much Jigglypuff will be cut
let us sign the signs that will read "R.I.P Jigglypuff"

Spoiler

here's the dead Jigglypuff

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Will you people stop pretending we play as fan theorized reps, it's really distracting how nobody bothers to talk about characters. It's always the stuff that goes around the character, but nobody bothers to talk about the characters themselves. If the characters themselves don't matter, then why the hell should we be interested?

Once again!:

EDIT: I really don't give a **** how much Fire Emblem: Awakening sold. I give a **** about how much people care about Chrom and compared to almost every other Fire Emblem lord, it's not much. Awakening's sales have nothing to do with Chrom himself. And I hate how people use XenoBlade's sales to claim Shulk's had more importance to Ninendo's History than say Starfy or Golden Sun.

 

[Chandeelure]

I need a reveal! Marth was like nothing for me XD

 

[Knight Dude]

So we're discussing BluePikmin's roster now?
Well then, I'd really like to share one of mine that I just finished recently (It isn't too far off my previous ones, but I thought mix it up with something relatively large). /shamelessselfpromotion

[collapse="le reasoning"]So then, this roster has 48 selectable characters (52 Playable) and no cuts.
Bowser Jr. - This character is nobody new to most of us. Junior is arguably, the most likely Mario newcomer at this point. The only ones in his way are Paper Mario, Waluigi (both who have mediocre at best chances), and Toad (who is Junior's top competitor, despite a possible deconfirmation). Rosalina may have some chance, but it's substantially lower than those of Paper Mario and Waluigi.
While the Super Mario franchise may not even get a newcomer, I really do believe in one happening. It's not every smash we get all four of them a long time before release.

King K. Rool - Another character pretty much everybody is aware about around these parts. Not much to say about K. Rool, many want the Donkey Kong franchise to receive a new character. Whether it be Dixie Kong or K. Rool. I just decided to stick with K. Rool because I feel that he's a bit more iconic to the franchise than Dixie is, but I still think it could go either way here.

Shulk - Shulk as many of you know is an absurdly popular character, but for good reason. After all of the attention circulating around his game due to Project Rainfall, it would seem like a no brainer to consider adding in a character from a game that received so much attention. With the franchise seeing a possible sequel in Monolift Soft's X, it is very likely that we will see Shulk again. Due to Xenoblade being a very large cult hit, I suppose you could call Shulk the Ness of this generation. No reason to not add in Shulk for the same reason Ness was in the original Smash, right?

Ridley - A character who has been discussed to death, you probably already know why he's a perfect fit. So I'm not going to discuss the reasoning behind him.

Palutena - Probably the most biased addition to my roster, Palutena is a very interesting character to add into the mix. The Kid Icarus franchise doesn't need any additional characters, so naturally you would probably wouldn't consider a character to it over say, Zelda or F-Zero. But Palutena really seemed to change the mold, the only thing she really has over any other character is her overall popularity. Since Uprising Palutena's requests had skyrocketed. She suddenly became the talk of the town and now she has remained to be in the top 5 of general requested characters since Smash U & 3DS's reveal trailer. Even though it might not matter then, she still remained to be a top competitor. With Sakurai leading the team right after working on Uprising, it is very possible that he could easily make Palutena a workable Smash character, despite her role as a Goddess. But that could work against her as well, if Sakurai sees that Palutena fights through Pit. So it really could go either way. But I do think that Palutena is among the riskiest of character choices.

Isaac - A fairly requested character preBrawl to now. Golden Sun isn't a franchise I'm very familiar with, and I've been told to try it out some day in the future. Something I can't deny is how much support Isaac actually has in comparison to other miscellaneous character choices. The only one who surpasses him is Little Mac, and is partially rivaled against Shulk. I feel that both Isaac and Shulk add different unique aspects into the mix, and would both fit perfectly into Smash without an issue. Despite it popularity dwindling in Japan, I now firmly believe that Isaac has the next best chance behind Little Mac for being our next Miscellaneous character (unless Little Mac is considered a retro, which would then suggest that Isaac is the next best choice).

Villager - Probably the best Miscellaneous character choice possible. Very happy with his inclusion.

Wii Fit Trainer - Despite people calling her the "WTF" character, I believe the correct thing to refer to her (and G&W+R.O.B.) would be "Hardware" Character. She, like G&W and R.O.B., are from unique Nintendo peripherals that weren't part of their basic home console and hand held set up (I don't really count the Game & Watch as a handheld system, since each system had a unique game to it). So with that said, I believe she is the closest we will get to a Mr. Game & Watch and R.O.B. this time around. Always happy to be surprised by Sakurai, I really enjoy her inclusion.

Mewtwo - Nothing really to talk about here, pretty much everybody wants him back. He's the most requested character at this point, him making a return is hopefully inevitable.

Robin - The big change from previous rosters, the return of Robin! So then, why Robin you ask? Just personal preference really. I do think that Sakurai is looking for characters with something new to add to the mix and I believe Robin is the best possible character for Fire Emblem that can do that. Even if Chrom is considerably the better choice in general, I feel that Awakening has a large focus on Robin as well. Since a good portion of it is seen through the eyes of Robin and especially since Robin is the one to make out the orders of attack. The game couldn't exist without her / him. With that said, I don't think the game belongs to Chrom, but is shared between Chrom and Robin. Robin would also be another character to have an alternate costume that switches the character's gender, I mean we already have two characters that could already do that (Wii Fit Trainer and Villager), so a third one wouldn't hurt.

Lip - My secondary retro character choice. Panel de Pon is arguably a very large Nintendo franchise and still is pretty active, while Lip herself isn't. Panel de Pon has had many references put into Smash Bros since Melee and I feel that Lip has been a bit overdue for a Smash appearance. The Puzzle franchises of Nintendo have been ignored, and I do believe that it is time for those to have a character to represent them in Smash. She may be a bit less likely than Takamaru, but I feel that Lip would be the more interesting choice between the two. So I preferred to choose her over Takamaru.

Little Mac - My primary retro character choice. Little Mac is considered a retro character in my roster, primarily because of where I placed him. He could be miscellaneous or retro, but it doesn't really matter all that much. Since both kinda go into miscellaneous anyways. Mac-baby is the most requested new franchise character, so there isn't any reason to really describe my reasoning behind him. He's on all of the rosters anyways.

Mega Man - Best newcomer so far, incredibly happy to see him with Mario and Sonic.[/collapse]
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So that's my roster. I also really tried to make sure that the character organization was really nice with a reason behind where every character is placed. See if you can guess why they're placed where they are!

Looks pretty good to me. I actually find the idea of Robin more interesting than Roy or Chrom. Having a character that can use both a sword and magic would likely offer a unique fighting style. On top of having a character that might use different weapons. The same can of course be said of good old Isaac. Though Isaac's unique qualities stem from his earth based powers, if anything. Most of your other choices like Ridley, Palutena and King K. Rool make sense and all that junk.

I wish I knew more about Shulk's powers to see his potential in terms of a playstyle though. Lip could be an interesting character as well. Given that the last character that was based on a puzzle was Doctor Mario, who mostly similar to his original counterpart. Instead, Lip has a chance to use a moveset based on a puzzle game.

Props for adding Bowser Jr. And for keeping Wolf and Lucario.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Seriously, though. Thank god I'm not the only one who realizes this!!!

Simply put, it should be something your actually interested to. The character, not goes around the character. If you never take interest in the character, then what is the point? There isn't a point, all you're doing to trying to win a shallow victory. It's better to be satisfied with something instead of simply settling with it. The greatest, strongest, and longest supports come from the character. If all you have is sales and relevance going for you, you'll quick fade away into obscurity if everything crumbles underneath your feet.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I need a reveal! Marth was like nothing for me XD