Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Louie G.]

Oh no...not another Fire Emblem debate...

Let's change the topic.
Any new Super Smashboards stages? You gotta keep up to compete, you know?

 

[Morbi]

It won't.
The FE characters will likely be Marth, Ike, and Chrom (who actually blend really well together tbh, look at their names in a row, I can totally see it being a thing).
I expect all 3 of them to appear in SMT x FE, and I expected all 3 of them in Smash beforehand.
No affect, but a possible affect on reveals.

I already know that Chrom vs Roy debates get pretty heated.

In all honesty, I couldn't see Sakurai de-cloning Roy (he might make some minor adjustments of course), so that really attenuates my "want" for him. He is much easier to develop in that case, but I doubt that Sakurai is going to saturate the roster with clone characters. Roy is much more iconic to Smash (as opposed to Fire Emblem) and has some precedent value. Not to mention, his fanbase is much larger when we filter the demographic to Smash players. Mentioned below is the notion that he introduced America to Fire Emblem and helped the series gain traction. Clearly he is the more important FE character. Roy makes much more sense to add based on ease of development, want, and importance to Smash. Bring back Roy is like bringing back Mewtwo.

Chrom also has some fairly overt advantages. One being relevant/recent (anyone on the forums for a couple weeks knows that these arguments are fallacious, but ideally they do mean something if you don't use them as absolutes). Overall Chrom introduced a lot of newcomers to FE (obviously Roy did almost a decade ago, but Awakening has really made FE a mainstream title). It might not be easy to see, but Nintendo is pushing Smash as a console seller. Not only do they mention that there is important news regarding the Wii U (Wii Fit Trainers reveal is irrelevant to the Wii; however, Nintendo doesn't interpret it the same way because Smash IS the Wii U seller). So they tend to market each game by linking each revealed character to whatever game correlates to the reveal. In Marth's case, Fire Emblem Awakening was linked (I also believe that FE Awakening is one of the best selling 3DS games). So it is difficult for me to comprehend why Roy would link to the very same, Chrom makes much more sense given the intent of the game.

So when it comes down to it, Sakurai will arbitrarily pick which one he wants to include. I think he might lean on Roy (based on the premise that Roy means more to Smash). I wouldn't be surprised if we got both to be honest. Roy as a last minute clone and Chrom as the new "Ike".

For what it is worth, I am not keen on Fire Emblem. I just recently got into the series. The only Lords I know are Marth, Ike, and Chrom (the former two based on Smash). So Chrom IS more recognizable as a Fire Emblem character. He truly is, just not in a Smash context. Roy is the more iconic one.

So my money is on... Roy. I would rather Chrom to be honest.

 

[TumblrFamous]

What a nice stage. What a nice stage. What an overly amazing stage. I just absolutely love it so much.

So what's going on nowadays?

 

[LoneKonWolf]

Let's change the topic.
Any new Super Smashboards stages? You gotta keep up to compete, you know?

well I got a couple of pictures that can represent stages if you guys want me to post them up here. that could change the subject

 

[Louie G.]

So what's going on nowadays?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs57e-viIKw

Edit: Hey guys, look who I found commenting on the video!


SchAlternate

 

[Seraphim.]

How bout that SMT x FE crossover and how will it influence the inclusion of FE characters?

It won't really influence anything considering all FE lords are in the game which means Marth, Ike, Roy and Chrom are all in it. So Ike, Roy or Chrom could be used to advertise the game.

 

[BKupa666]

So what's going on nowadays?

It's one of those days after great pics where we're less restless and antsy than usual, as opposed to the days after WFT ass pics where all anyone can do is recycle Fire Emblem disc...oh. Well, it was fun while it lasted.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Ok, let's try to fuel up a conversation.
How would you react if this was the final roster?

 

[Louie G.]

Ok, let's try to fuel up a conversation.
How would you react if this was the final roster?

I'd be a little disappointed.
Diddy and Dixie duo, a bunch of characters I don't want, only 2 FE characters, Lucario cut...
Overall, it would be okay I guess.
I don't see Kawashima, so that's a plus.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

Ok, let's try to fuel up a conversation.
How would you react if this was the final roster?

needs more of this:

but other than that its a pretty good roster

 

[Morbi]

Ok, let's try to fuel up a conversation.
How would you react if this was the final roster?

I wouldn't mind the roster too much. There are just a few overt problems that I personally have with it.

1. No new Mario representative. I am fairly certain that we will be getting a new character from the Mario franchise. It has such a rich and diverse cast to pull from and it is the effigy of Nintendo at this point. The common perspective is that we had 5 Mario characters in Melee, so it isn't irrational to assert that the very same could happen almost a decade later.

2. Dixie and Diddy duo, I actually have no problem with it. However, I am no positive that Dixie will be saved as a gender-swap costume for Diddy in a similar fashion as Wii Fit Trainer.

3. Retro here, retro there, retro everywhere. I do not think that we will get Little Mac, Takamaru, Lip, and Prince Sable all on the same roster without a cut to ROB, Ice Climbers, or G+W. It is too over-saturated. I am almost sure that Sora Ltd. would agree. Especially with iconic characters like Roy missing.

4. The Fire Emblem portion of the roster is repugnant. I am a big Anna fan too, but her replacing Ike? That is most certainly not going to happen. Ike offers a lot to the roster, if she were an addition as opposed to Roy or Chrom it wouldn't be so detrimental.

5. I don't even know who Harry is... and I am Sakurai's primary demographic. So, it is most likely not going to happen.

Personal Gripes

1. Cutting Lucario... but keeping Lucas, that just seems counter intuitive.
2. Keeping Snake while adding Pacman could very well happen. It isn't unlikely. I just feel that 4 3rd party characters is cutting it close. I would personally cut one.
3. The roster is above 50 characters. I believe we will be capped at 50.

Positives: Jigglypuff

 

[Chandeelure]

Ok, let's try to fuel up a conversation.
How would you react if this was the final roster?

Cogratulations,I don't see Dr.Kawashima or Daitoryodfsmka.
But,as always,the bad things are Diddy+Dixie,Harry,Anna and so many retro newcomers...IMO.

 

[Knight Dude]

Ok, let's try to fuel up a conversation.
How would you react if this was the final roster?

Mostly pleased. What with Ridley, Little Mac and all the other popular choices. But we do have a few problems.

For one, I really don't see three of those retro characters getting thrown in. Take one or two of them out. Diddy and Dixie should probably stay separate. And the lack of Ike is the worst part personally. Though no floating head doctor, so it doesn't make me want to dip in acid and gas.

 

[Morbi]

Cogratulations,I don't see Dr.Kawashima or Daitoryodfsmka.
But,as always,the bad things are Diddy+Dixie,Harry,Anna and so many retro newcomers...IMO.

Adding 4 retro characters on top of the 4 already present retro characters is over-saturation. I hardly think the notion is subjective if you apply it to the precedent. That is almost 1/10 of the roster...

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

5. I don't even know who Harry is... and I am Sakurai's primary demographic. So, it is most likely not going to happen.

http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/Teleroboxer

Harry is a Virtual Boy "rep".

 

[Morbi]

http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/Teleroboxer

Harry is a Virtual Boy "rep".

Thank you for the link, after evaluating it... I just seem some correlations with Little Mac (similar games) not to mention the poor critical reception. I actually think he sounds look a cool idea, just not an ideal one.

 

[BluePikmin11]

(I still haven't abandoned the doctor though)
You can consider Little Mac a retro or not one depending on your views.
Harry acts as the the "historical" WTF character, I do believe that one more WTF character will happen.
I could see Teleroboxer having a revival from this.

 

[Morbi]

(I still haven't abandoned the doctor though)
You can consider Little Mac a retro or not one depending on your views.

Yes, of course, I had the very same discussion with a gentlemen earlier. It is a scenario of applied definitions versus literal definitions.

 

[TumblrFamous]

(I still haven't abandoned the doctor though)
You can consider Little Mac a retro or not one depending on your views.

Even without Little Mac counting as a retro, you still have quite a few retros. Takamaru, Harry, Sable, and Lip are too unnecessary to be all on the roster together. And I'm still not sure about Anna taking Ike's place.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Ok, let's try to fuel up a conversation.
How would you react if this was the final roster?

Needs more Lucario.

 

[Morbi]

Even without Little Mac counting as a retro, you still have quite a few retros. Takamaru, Harry, Sable, and Lip are too unnecessary to be all on the roster together. And I'm still not sure about Anna taking Ike's place.

You are STILL not sure? Dearest me, what argument did BluePikmin use to support such a decadent claim? How did he even somewhat convince you?!

I am only joking, I just feel as though Ike was the most well received Newcomer. He offers a lot of distinctive attributes. I doubt he is going anywhere, in the end, the playstyle is the most important element of the character. Not to mention Anna isn't really important, I mean I suppose she is fairly important, just not the iconic kind of important.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Ok, let's try to fuel up a conversation.
How would you react if this was the final roster?

I'd be disappointed because of the Diddy/Dixie duo, Pac-man, and no Lucario or Ike.

K. Rool, Ridley, Palutena, Little Mac, Takamaru and Mewtwo are all a plus though.

I'm just glad this one doesn't have Kawashima or a Hanafuda character.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Why must you all be opposed to a Hanafuda character?
It would be a neat way to show off Nintendo's beginning. >_>
A Hanafuda character could act as the WTF character as in G&W and R.O.B.

 

[Pacack]

Why must you all be opposed to a Hanafuda character?
It would be a neat way to show off Nintendo's beginning. >_>
A Hanafuda character could act as the WTF character as in G&W and R.O.B.

I wonder about this, too. We've gotten an obscure historical character twice before, and I definitely expect one again.

Is it because of the Wii Fit Trainer? If so, did you guys forget that ZSS and Pokemon Trainer were things? They were odd and no one really predicted them, but they made perfect sense in hindsight, and we still got R.O.B. afterwords.

I just worry that you guys are letting yourselves be blinded by not wanting another R.O.B..

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Why must you all be opposed to a Hanafuda character?
It would be a neat way to show off Nintendo's beginning. >_>
A Hanafuda character could act as the WTF character as in G&W and R.O.B.

Mr. G&W does represent the birth of Nintendo's video game industry though, so he's not exactly an odd input when you think it over.

 

[Morbi]

I wonder about this, too. We've gotten an obscure historical character twice before, and I definitely expect one again.

Is it because of the Wii Fit Trainer? If so, did you guys forget that ZSS and Pokemon Trainer were things? They were odd and no one really predicted them, but they made perfect sense in hindsight, and we still got R.O.B. afterwords.

I just worry that you guys are letting yourselves be blinded by not wanting another R.O.B..

Let us be perfectly honest... who WANTS another ROB? I agree with this sentiment though, I am fairly certain that we will get something similar this time around.

 

[Pacack]

Mr. G&W does represent the birth of Nintendo's video game industry though, so he's not exactly an odd input when you think it over.

Um...Nintendo's first video game console was the Color TV Game. Not the Game and Watch.

 

[Morbi]

Um...Nintendo's first video game console was the Color TV Game. Not the Game and Watch.

... close enough?

In all seriousness, it is probably what it is SUPPOSED to represent. Kind of like Pokemon Trainer and the whole universal interpretation of Pokemon and its players BS.

 

[Pacack]

... close enough?

In all seriousness, it is probably what it is SUPPOSED to represent. Kind of like Pokemon Trainer and the whole universal interpretation of Pokemon and its players BS.

Actually, I think it's meant to represent Nintendo's first major major commercial success. I mean, it's on the wikipedia page:
"Game & Watch or G&W is a line of handheld electronic games produced by Nintendo from 1980 to 1991. Created by game designer Gunpei Yokoi, each Game & Watch features a single game to be played on an LCD screen in addition to a clock and/or an alarm. It was the earliest Nintendo product to garner major success."

 

[Bowserlick]

Rosalina

Rosalina is a tall yet heavy fighter (around Wario and Yoshi's weight). She has slow running speed, an average spot dodge, and a long yet fairly fast roll. Her jumps are high and floaty. Rosalina is primarily a defensive character with ways to handle projectiles and dish some back as well as setting up a dangerous trap. But she can take the initiative. Her Galaxy spin gives her a burst of momentum during the attack, many attacks pop the enemy upwards, and she excels at sending opponents up into the heavens with a strong throw, Up Smash and chargeable Up Aerial.

Special Attacks

Spoiler

B Galaxy Spin: Rosalina spins as a flash of small stars surrounds her (Mario's spin in Super Mario Galaxy).
On the ground, she can move a small distance left or right just after she executes the move. In the air, this move will pop her upwards a slight distance (only does this the first two times) and then allows her to shift left or right a small distance. Does low damage, but pops up the opponent. Can cancel out weak projectiles.

Toward B Star Bits: Fires a spray of one to seven starbits depending on how long the move is held. Can be aimed while in the midst of shooting. Each starbit does 2-3 percent damage. Can stun if more than one hit an opponent. Starbits are on the slower side for a projectile.

Up B Pull Star: Luma shoots a short distance in the direction selected (any angle above Rosalina) and turns into a Pull Star. The Pull Star does damage to enemies if hit. A light blue line connects Rosalina to the star. The player could rotate or guide Rosalina toward the star, with the star acting as a Pivot point. A press of A will have Rosalina swing her wand in a forward arc. A press of B will break the connection and send her into freefall.
If an opponent hits Rosalina she will only take a percentage of the knockback from the move and still can use the star to pull her back toward the stage if she remains connected. Rosalina can only use this move once in the air, even if the enemy hits her out of the star's range. Rosalina can attack afterwards if she is hit out of the move (but not if she prematurely ends it).

Down B Meteor Bombardment: Can only be used on the ground. A large star pattern will appear on the stage below Rosalina and then fade away. When Down B is pressed again, a meteor will descend from the vertical blast line and hit the spot for big KO potential.

Ground Attacks

Spoiler

Neutral A Black Hole: Rosalina holds Luma who spins and temporarily morphs into a spiraling black hole. Can pull in enemies and projectiles that are directly in line with it. Projectiles will be sucked into the black hole. Enemies will pop upwards. The A button can be held.

Dash A Galaxy Skating: Rosalina grabs the sides of her dress and skates forward leaving a glimmering stardust trail on the ground behind her. The trail fades, but could cause opponent's to trip. The skating Rosalina hits enemies behind her.

Toward A Comet Wand: A cross flick of her wand, the star end glows blue and leaves a comet streak behind it.

Up A Star-Writing: Flicks the wand above her head in an arc as the star end glows blue.
A press of A afterwards will have her quickly draw a constellation with her wand for multiple hits.

Down A Moonbeam: Rosalina crouches. On a press of A she taps her wand to the floor. A purple beam shoots upward (the peak comes to about Rosalina's standing height). Launches opponent.

Down Smash Majestic Rings: Rosalina forms Saturn-like rings around her which spin and do multiple hit damage like Toon Link's ground Up B sword spin.

Up Smash Sunrise: Rosalina holds her star wand above her head with illuminates like the sun. The longer this move is charged, the brighter the star will be. If it touches the enemy, the attack will launch the victim straight upwards for a big KO opportunity while shooting a vertical golden beam. The beam damages any other opponents caught in the blast.

Toward Smash Supernova: Rosalina jabs her wand forward as the tip glows purple. The longer the move is charged, the brighter the star will shine and the greater the knockback. If the move connects, there is an explosion and a purple shockwave that causes splash damage. KO potential.

Aerial Attacks

Spoiler

Neutral A Orbit: Luma glows and spins around her 360 degrees.

Back A Nebula's Reach: Rosalina arcs her wand behind her in a downward motion as purple clouds filled with tiny different colored stars plumes off her weapon. The middle of the attack range has a sweet-spot that hits the opponent straight down.

Down A Shooting Star: Luma shoots downwards a short distance and spins rapidly. Racks up damage.

Up A Static Storm: This move has the ability to be charged. Rosalina holds her wand upwards as electricity gathers. When Up A is released, there is a small circular pulse around the star end. Can be strong depending on charge.

Forward A Star Slap: Swings her wand at a downward diagonal as it glows blue. Average all around.

Throws

Spoiler

Grab Luma's Launch Star: Luma shoots out to grab the opponent. Luma immediately turns into a Launch Star around the enemy.

Mashing A will cause the launch star to spin faster causing damage and increasing the knockback of the future throw. The star could be rotated 360 degrees. A press of any other button other than A will cause the star to launch the victim.

 

[Sobreviviente]

WFT enter perfectly in the definition of "obscure yet historical character", believe it or not, rob wasnt obscure neither.
I love mr hanafuda idea though, there is no other important succes like that, maybe duck hunt, i think is nintendo's older series, but mnah...

 

[Pacack]

WFT enter perfectly in the definition of "obscure yet historical character", believe it or not, rob wasnt obscure neither.
I love mr hanafuda idea though, there is no other important succes like that, maybe duck hunt, i think is nintendo's older series, but mnah...

Wii Fit Trainer is far more like Zero Suit Samus or Pokemon Trainer than R.O.B. or Mr. Game and Watch. The only reason people think she fits as the obscure historical character is because they do not want another character that they did not predict (like R.O.B.). Labeling her as the "WTF" character makes it so that they don't have to anticipate any more surprises. It's a flawed way of thinking and it bothers me, to be honest.

(I apologize if I come across as rude here, I am just genuinely annoyed by this way of thinking. Wii Fit Trainer is from a franchise that is still going. That alone makes her ineligible for the spot as a historical character.)

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

 

[Sobreviviente]

Wii Fit Trainer is far more like Zero Suit Samus or Pokemon Trainer than R.O.B. or Mr. Game and Watch. The only reason people think she fits as the obscure historical character is because they do not want another character that they did not predict (like R.O.B.). Labeling her as the "WTF" character makes it so that they don't have to anticipate any more surprises. It's a flawed way of thinking and it bothers me, to be honest.

(I apologize if I come across as rude here, I am just genuinely annoyed by this way of thinking. Wii Fit Trainer is from a franchise that is still going. That alone makes her ineligible for the spot as a historical character.)

My top wanted characters is more than 50, more obscure is awesome for me, im not one of them.
Sorry but i dont see how is WFT close to zamus or poketrainer, but i do see how important the wii/wii fitt was in nintendo history, you really want to deny that?

 

[Arcanir]

I swear to the non-existant god of Pokémon if I see that fake Mega chart one more time...

Anyway, I really hate the formatting of that video as it doesn't allow the viewer to read what's being said without pausing, the use of meta is also pretty distracting. Aside from that, I can't say I agree with any of the Pokémon newcomer choices san Mewtwo, the rest are either not popular enough to reach any of the characters already in nor really standout in general or are trainers from different regions, which has never been a popular request.

 

[Morbi]

My top wanted characters is more than 50, more obscure is awesome for me, im not one of them.
Sorry but i dont see how is WFT close to zamus or poketrainer, but i do see how important the wii/wii fitt was in nintendo history, you really want to deny that?

Historical doesn't necessarily have to allude to Nintendo's History. First of all, it is a coined term, I honestly think Pacack is the one who coined it too. Secondly, I have first hand experience, there is no point in debating the applied definition of a word versus the literal definition of the word. The Wii Fit Trainer reveal correlates to the Samus reveal as neither was expected and both were initially (E3) revealed females. The concept of Wii Fit Trainer also has relevance when compared to Pokemon Trainer because the concept was completely unexpected. A "shock value" character. G+W and ROB are in a different category according to Pacack (as well as I).

 

[FinalStarmen]

Ok, let's try to fuel up a conversation.
How would you react if this was the final roster?

Because of the lack of Dr. Kawashima, it raises question as to whether or not you are truly the authentic BluePikmin11, or some fraudulent impostor (and if so, what have you done with the real one?). But nonetheless, let me address what I actually take issue towards:

- The roster count might be rather somewhat excessive.

- An over-abundant emphasis on retro-style (or dormant series) or historical characters.
It's one matter to either include Takamaru or Lip, but it is a whole other matter to not only include both Takamaru and Lip (which can still be a feasible option), but as well as Prince Sable and Harry (whom I assume is from Teleroboxer on the Virtual Boy), while denying Fire Emblem another character slot. To deprive a fully-established and well-respected series another popular character request in either Roy, Chrom, (or reasonable ideas such as the Tactician and even Lyn), only to add in Prince Sable and Harry... is unreasonably insidious.

- Anna as a replacement for Ike?
Why would Masahiro Sakurai replace a considerably popular Fire Emblem Lord for a representational mascot, that otherwise has considerable competition from other Lord characters in Roy and Chrom, let alone an already established Lord in Ike? While I do not deny the possibility of cuts, this one seems a price to steep to pay (even for Anna), and with little rewards yielded as a result.

Also, why not just make an addition to the Fire Emblem series as opposed to a subtraction?

- Lucario getting bloody guillotined over Mewtwo.
Better yet, why not allow both characters (who are exceedingly popular) to maintain equal position within character inclusion? The incredible excitement over a Mewtwo versus Lucario dream match would be an immensely engrossing experience, as opposed to regrettably and reluctantly pondering up hypothetical questions over what could have happened rather than what did (all because Mewtwo was included and Lucario excluded). Again, denying such an actually plausible dream match, for unrealistic decisions in, you guessed it, Prince Sable and Harry is bizarre altogether.

- The Diddy/Dixie Kong duo is detrimental.
Has there ever been precedence for an already singular playable character to inexplicably tag-team with a newcomer all of a sudden? No, there has not, and for good reason - it would especially irk, even physically disgust, the main-base of the competitively high-tier Diddy Kong character, to no end in sight. There is no redeemable quality to be found in having Diddy Kong hold the dubious distinction of becoming the first playable character to suddenly become an Ice Climbers redux. Besides this, why not just include Dixie Kong as a semi-clone, or even include Dixie Kong alongside King K. Rool?

That's really all I have to say.

 

[BluePikmin11]

To be pretty bloody honest, I could've added in Ike and Lucario and made it 50 characters. I suppose Sakurai has the time to do every veteran.

 

[AEMehr]

So we're discussing BluePikmin's roster now?
Well then, I'd really like to share one of mine that I just finished recently (It isn't too far off my previous ones, but I thought mix it up with something relatively large). /shamelessselfpromotion

[collapse="le reasoning"]So then, this roster has 48 selectable characters (52 Playable) and no cuts.
Bowser Jr. - This character is nobody new to most of us. Junior is arguably, the most likely Mario newcomer at this point. The only ones in his way are Paper Mario, Waluigi (both who have mediocre at best chances), and Toad (who is Junior's top competitor, despite a possible deconfirmation). Rosalina may have some chance, but it's substantially lower than those of Paper Mario and Waluigi.
While the Super Mario franchise may not even get a newcomer, I really do believe in one happening. It's not every smash we get all four of them a long time before release.

King K. Rool - Another character pretty much everybody is aware about around these parts. Not much to say about K. Rool, many want the Donkey Kong franchise to receive a new character. Whether it be Dixie Kong or K. Rool. I just decided to stick with K. Rool because I feel that he's a bit more iconic to the franchise than Dixie is, but I still think it could go either way here.

Shulk - Shulk as many of you know is an absurdly popular character, but for good reason. After all of the attention circulating around his game due to Project Rainfall, it would seem like a no brainer to consider adding in a character from a game that received so much attention. With the franchise seeing a possible sequel in Monolift Soft's X, it is very likely that we will see Shulk again. Due to Xenoblade being a very large cult hit, I suppose you could call Shulk the Ness of this generation. No reason to not add in Shulk for the same reason Ness was in the original Smash, right?

Ridley - A character who has been discussed to death, you probably already know why he's a perfect fit. So I'm not going to discuss the reasoning behind him.

Palutena - Probably the most biased addition to my roster, Palutena is a very interesting character to add into the mix. The Kid Icarus franchise doesn't need any additional characters, so naturally you would probably wouldn't consider a character to it over say, Zelda or F-Zero. But Palutena really seemed to change the mold, the only thing she really has over any other character is her overall popularity. Since Uprising Palutena's requests had skyrocketed. She suddenly became the talk of the town and now she has remained to be in the top 5 of general requested characters since Smash U & 3DS's reveal trailer. Even though it might not matter then, she still remained to be a top competitor. With Sakurai leading the team right after working on Uprising, it is very possible that he could easily make Palutena a workable Smash character, despite her role as a Goddess. But that could work against her as well, if Sakurai sees that Palutena fights through Pit. So it really could go either way. But I do think that Palutena is among the riskiest of character choices.

Isaac - A fairly requested character preBrawl to now. Golden Sun isn't a franchise I'm very familiar with, and I've been told to try it out some day in the future. Something I can't deny is how much support Isaac actually has in comparison to other miscellaneous character choices. The only one who surpasses him is Little Mac, and is partially rivaled against Shulk. I feel that both Isaac and Shulk add different unique aspects into the mix, and would both fit perfectly into Smash without an issue. Despite it popularity dwindling in Japan, I now firmly believe that Isaac has the next best chance behind Little Mac for being our next Miscellaneous character (unless Little Mac is considered a retro, which would then suggest that Isaac is the next best choice).

Villager - Probably the best Miscellaneous character choice possible. Very happy with his inclusion.

Wii Fit Trainer - Despite people calling her the "WTF" character, I believe the correct thing to refer to her (and G&W+R.O.B.) would be "Hardware" Character. She, like G&W and R.O.B., are from unique Nintendo peripherals that weren't part of their basic home console and hand held set up (I don't really count the Game & Watch as a handheld system, since each system had a unique game to it). So with that said, I believe she is the closest we will get to a Mr. Game & Watch and R.O.B. this time around. Always happy to be surprised by Sakurai, I really enjoy her inclusion.

Mewtwo - Nothing really to talk about here, pretty much everybody wants him back. He's the most requested character at this point, him making a return is hopefully inevitable.

Robin - The big change from previous rosters, the return of Robin! So then, why Robin you ask? Just personal preference really. I do think that Sakurai is looking for characters with something new to add to the mix and I believe Robin is the best possible character for Fire Emblem that can do that. Even if Chrom is considerably the better choice in general, I feel that Awakening has a large focus on Robin as well. Since a good portion of it is seen through the eyes of Robin and especially since Robin is the one to make out the orders of attack. The game couldn't exist without her / him. With that said, I don't think the game belongs to Chrom, but is shared between Chrom and Robin. Robin would also be another character to have an alternate costume that switches the character's gender, I mean we already have two characters that could already do that (Wii Fit Trainer and Villager), so a third one wouldn't hurt.

Lip - My secondary retro character choice. Panel de Pon is arguably a very large Nintendo franchise and still is pretty active, while Lip herself isn't. Panel de Pon has had many references put into Smash Bros since Melee and I feel that Lip has been a bit overdue for a Smash appearance. The Puzzle franchises of Nintendo have been ignored, and I do believe that it is time for those to have a character to represent them in Smash. She may be a bit less likely than Takamaru, but I feel that Lip would be the more interesting choice between the two. So I preferred to choose her over Takamaru.

Little Mac - My primary retro character choice. Little Mac is considered a retro character in my roster, primarily because of where I placed him. He could be miscellaneous or retro, but it doesn't really matter all that much. Since both kinda go into miscellaneous anyways. Mac-baby is the most requested new franchise character, so there isn't any reason to really describe my reasoning behind him. He's on all of the rosters anyways.

Mega Man - Best newcomer so far, incredibly happy to see him with Mario and Sonic.[/collapse]
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So that's my roster. I also really tried to make sure that the character organization was really nice with a reason behind where every character is placed. See if you can guess why they're placed where they are!

 

[Sobreviviente]

Historical doesn't necessarily have to allude to Nintendo's History. First of all, it is a coined term, I honestly think Pacack is the one who coined it too. Secondly, I have first hand experience, there is no point in debating the applied definition of a word versus the literal definition of the word. The Wii Fit Trainer reveal correlates to the Samus reveal as neither was expected and both were initially (E3) revealed females. The concept of Wii Fit Trainer also has relevance when compared to Pokemon Trainer because the concept was completely unexpected. A "shock value" character. G+W and ROB are in a different category according to Pacack (as well as I).

"Historical doesn't necessarily have to allude to Nintendo's History" what? o.o then what have to allude? im not following you there.

Well i hated zamus with passion, but no many folks did.
Both G&W and ROB are hated to this day, same as the poor yoga lady.

"unexpected"
First time i hear that type of character in that way actually, but i was trully expecting poketrainer with some folks in a comunity back then, because that was the real character we use in the game (that was my excuse, i even tought in a profesor oak moveset because was laughable... ). Also, this includes zelda in the "wtf unexpected" category? how about jiglypuff?